Anti Ma Ying Jeou protest in Taiwan

[ZhangFei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmaBBl3noM

looks like the Taiwanese are afraid of losing their sovereignty!

[ZhangFei]

Taiwan’s sovereignty is not a plaything
By James Wang 王景弘

Saturday, May 30, 2009, Page 8

Department of Health Minister Yeh Ching-chuan (葉金川) lost control when Taiwanese students confronted him in Geneva, where he was attending the World Health Assembly (WHA) earlier this month. President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) said the accusations against Yeh were “intolerable,” so he could understand Yeh’s feelings, while Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng (王金平) said the government had no choice but to accept “Chinese Taipei.” They clearly didn’t know what they were saying.

Their reaction only highlights the guilty conscience of the Ma administration, which is lying in its attempts to gain credit while treating Taiwan’s sovereignty as child’s play.

Yeh said he felt “great” as he participated in the WHA as an observer and acted pleased with himself, while ignorantly claiming it was the first time in 38 years Taiwan participated in a UN “event” despite the fact that the Republic of China (ROC) was still a member of the World Bank and the IMF in 1980. In seeking credit for Ma, Yeh put down Ma’s mentor, former president Chiang Ching-kuo (蔣經國), by ignoring events that occurred during Chiang’s presidency.

The government can be flexible on the title under which it participates in international organizations, but it must uphold the principles of independence and reciprocity. Although Chiang agreed that Taiwan maintained membership as “Chinese Taipei” in the Asian Development Bank (ADB) on the advice of former US president Ronald Reagan’s administration, he refused to send a delegation to attend bank meetings. When former president Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) decided to send delegations to the ADB meetings, he insisted that the delegation lodge a protest and cover the title “Chinese Taipei” on their name tags.

Taiwan’s national status is in a special predicament, so participation in international events only makes sense if they are beneficial to the open or tacit recognition of Taiwan’s sovereignty. If the way in which the government participates in international organizations implies that Taiwan is part of China, then participation brings disgrace to the nation.

Despite China’s attempts to annex Taiwan, the Ma government goes along with the “one China” framework while Yeh made innane remarks while sitting as an observer at the WHA. The WHO has listed Taiwan as a province of China and included Taiwan’s cases of A(H1N1) influenza under China’s listing. The Ma government sold out Taiwan for participation in an international event.

In 1971, “the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石)” were expelled from the UN and all its related organizations. Yang Hsi-kun (楊西崑), then- deputy foreign minister, told US officials that the wording of UN Resolution 2758 proposed by Albania and 22 other countries was “to expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek” instead of “the ROC,” and thus if a future government in Taiwan declared jurisdiction over Taiwan alone, it might easily gain sympathy and acceptance as a member at UN specialized agencies.

Two elected governments — those of former presidents Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁) and Lee Teng-hui — declared that the “ROC” was simply the national title of Taiwan, that neither the People’s Republic of China nor the ROC had jurisdiction over the other, and that the ROC was actively seeking international recognition.

Ma, however, restored the party-state system and is conforming to the “one China” framework. He is implementing the “one country, two systems” model according to China’s directives. If Yang knew, he would have heckled Ma too.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit.../30/2003444884

[twitchyzero]

lol blog

The DPP says that 600,000 attended in Taipei (along with another 200,000 in Kaohsiung), but Taipei mayor Hau Lung-bin (郝龍斌) of the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) puts the Taipei number at a mere 40,000. Doesn't he wish?!

A 21-year-old police officer, said to have been driving 80 to 90 km/hr. in an area with many protesters, smashed his police car into two men in their sixties, injuring one severely and smashing half of the windshield on his vehicle. Last I heard was that he may have to have a foot or leg amputated and then cranial surgery.

http://taiwanmatters.blogspot.com/20...ing-jeous.html

Parade route names

* "Oppose Toxic Goods" (approx. 3.9 km)
* "Oppose One China Education" (approx. 3.4 km)
* "Oppose the Hollowing Out of Sovereignty" (approx. 3.8 km)
* "Oppose a One China Market" (approx. 4.2 km)
* "Oppose the Incompetent Government" (approx. 4.8 km)

This protest is nothing compared to the anti-missile protest back in 2004 though.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/228_Hand-in-Hand_Rally

[kumbo1]

And this affects us how?

[Xnova]

coles note please

[ZhangFei]

Ma accepted the One China policy and has a lot of Beijing-friendly policies. The people are afraid that this will ultimately lead to unification.

Ma says you can't solve the problem between China and Taiwan, but you can "manage it" so it doesn't worsen. In the meantime, Ma is encouraging Taiwan and China to do more business together so it will help Taiwan which is in dire need of economic help.

[Timpo]

what is Ma Ying Jeou?

[ZhangFei]

the current president of Taiwan

[Culture_Vulture]

personally I don't see the fucking issue here.

Sure, I spent most of my life growing up here in Canada, but that in return has only taught me how to think outside the box. The Taiwanese need to pull their heads out of their asses and move on. No use lingering 50 years in the past. Pride and arrogance can suck my veiny black dick.

[asian_XL]

The easiest way to interpret Ma and China's relationship is that they are just fuck
buddy...he just want the benefit, but not the relationship.

some people think he's wrong, but in his own shoes, that's a win-win situation --> no hostile
relationship with the booming 1.3billion population market, and "hey, I am still the president
of Taiwan, screw Special Adminstrative Region (SAR)"

[silk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7Y8loCAtQ




YOU CANT BEAT PRESIDENT MA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Previous President Chen was a dbag !!!!

i got goosebumps when im watching this video...

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Physixx

The Taiwanese need to pull their heads out of their asses and move on. No use lingering 50 years in the past.

true arrogance is actually a lack of empathy. I dont blame you though, since you grew up here your position is probably dictated by the media.

and IMO the parade had little to do with Taiwan's complex past..its about the Ma administration handing the Taiwan on a platter to Beijing by financial means

[ZhangFei]

Taiwan needs Chinese investment though. who else would you go to? The United States? LMAO.

[twitchyzero]

yeah it makes sense economically to warm up the relations
but it defeats the purpose of the direction taiwan was heading in since 1996. It's a step back from de facto independence and at this rate...Taiwan will lose all sense of self-determination pretty soon.

[Yc]

its a two-way street, i think president MA is just playing it save, one way taiwan could tell china to fuck off, and do their own economic thing..which i think will lead to a diaster
or suck it up and do the whole friendly kinda thing.
President MA is playing a move probably not the move in some eyes but relatively the best out of all possible choices.

some of the taiwanese need to pull their head out of their asses and lose some of the prides..or else there wont be a pride at all in 10 years time, china is just gonna eat taiwan alive

[Domani]

he's going on a path where if KMT lose power again in the next election, taiwan can't turn it's back on. which is a smart move imo.

[StylinRed]

Ma is gay btw, theres like video of him doing a guy and his wife doing another chick or something



Ma's dad tried to court my aunt back in China (sorry just had to throw that in there find it amusing how small the world is)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by asian_XL

The easiest way to interpret Ma and China's relationship is that they are just fuck
buddy...he just want the benefit, but not the relationship.

haha that's fucking awesome.

I woulda voted for Ma if i could vote. KMT all the way man.

[Timpo]

Originally Posted by ZhangFei

the current president of Taiwan

ohhh