[Ferra]

Will be returning my lease vehicle early and need to decide on which one to get soon.
I don't drive aggressively much at all, so i am thinking of going back to a 328i and save myself $200 a month compared to the 335.

Other than the engine and leather seat, what else is different on the 335? Would the differences justify the $9000 premium in the price tag?
I am also driving a 330i now, is going back to a 328 a big downgrade? I found the engine on the 330i is quite sufficient for what I need. (except the car is somewhat of a PITA with minor nuisance coming up every few months)

Anyone own either car and have comments to share?
Is the 335 turbo gonna be expensive to maintain and keep if I plan to keep the car for the long term?

[124Y]

So are you leasing or buying your next car??
Also, I'm assuming you're talking about 328i and 335i sedan right? Not coupe?
I would say, if you don't drive aggressively, the 328i will give you 230HP, which is more than enough.
Stick with the 328i man :thumbsup:

[LanEvoMR]

test drive both and then make your decision, if 328i is enough for you then save yourself some money.....but most people will opt for the 335 as it's power is quite addictive

[dark0821]

and 335 chiped.. is... well...smokin fast...

[Rich Sandor]

Go talk to your salesperson who leased you your car and ask them if you can take out a new 328 for a few hours to see how it compares to your 335. That's really the only way to know if you're going to be happy.

[q0192837465]

335 has dual exhaust.................:drool:

[JoshuaWong]

Is your 330i a E90? or E46? If your looking for a 328i why not stick with the 330i assuming its the E90? Since your not looking for the power of a 335i the 330i should make you happy since its basically a 335i with slight difference in brakes/tires/engine. The 330i also got a smooth NA engine that you won't get in a 335i either. The 330i is noticeably better than the 328i even though the power difference is only 30hp. I heard the transmission is better than those in 323i/325i/328i. Keep in mind that your 330i is a 1 year limit run in north america as well if that means anything to you.

If you really insist on getting 328i or 335i I'd say get the 335i. A lot is different not just the engine and the leather. At least the brakes/tires/suspension/transmission is different but I am sure there is more. Have you checked out E90post? Price wise, when I bought my 335i the monthly payment was only around $150 more than a 328i so it was no brainer to me. Obviously that price will change depending on what options you opt for. If you asking if the 335i is $9000 better than the 328i, I'd say yes and no, depending on what kind of driver you are and what you look for in a car. Good luck on your decision.

[Hehe]

^

There is no more 330... it goes like this 323-->328-->335/335 Diesel... that's only if you go E90, for E92/E93, it's only 328i/xi-->335i/xi or M3

[Harvey Specter]

I test drove the E92 328i with sport package when I leased my E92 335i and the only difference really was the engine/power delivery and the brakes. Overall the 328i was quick but the 335i is in whole different league. A few things to remember, the 335i's do have the fuel pump issues and transmission has been known to be a bit sluggish, not sure if they have the same tranny issue with the 328i's. Otherwise the car is basically the same exterior and interior wise with a few different cosmetic differences.

By the way, I prefer leatherette over real leather. Much more durable and stiffer and in the long run it still looks new compared to leather seats which tend to wear down.

[dkvby]

35k still on original pump, but i did hv wastegate rattle and fixed with turbos replacement.

[HonestTea]

If you're planning to lease, then 335i for sure! However, if you're going to purchase it or finance it then I'm guessing 328i would be a better choice.

I'm assuming you're probably going to keep it long-term if you're purchasing, so 328i would definitely give you less issues, like reliability for the Turbos, wastegate rattles and HPFP issue, which is basically a hit and a miss. I've seen people replace two HPFP in a month(and counting) while others, like dkvby are still on their original HPFP.

Interior/Exterior are basically identical(like what Jah said) difference is probably the exhaust-pipes, single vs dual.

[clowe]

^

There is no more 330... it goes like this 323-->328-->335/335 Diesel... that's only if you go E90, for E92/E93, it's only 328i/xi-->335i/xi or M3

When the E90's first came out in 2006 there were 325i/330i then they changed it in 2007

[dkvby]

HPFP failure mostly caused by the ethanol in fuel damaging the seal, so just use chervon/petro u most likely wont hv a problem. And they hv the new hardware for the wastegate, so it doesnt rattle anymore i think. also, is DCT avaliable in canada yet?

as dark0821 said, chip it and it will smoking fast lol

[Harvey Specter]

If you're planning to lease, then 335i for sure! However, if you're going to purchase it or finance it then I'm guessing 328i would be a better choice.

I'm assuming you're probably going to keep it long-term if you're purchasing, so 328i would definitely give you less issues, like reliability for the Turbos, wastegate rattles and HPFP issue, which is basically a hit and a miss. I've seen people replace two HPFP in a month(and counting) while others, like dkvby are still on their original HPFP.

Interior/Exterior are basically identical(like what Jah said) difference is probably the exhaust-pipes, single vs dual.

Yah, if you're leasing the 335i would be fine but if you're buying it, I would go with the 328i but I think OP will be leasing.

Honestly saving $200 a month is quite a bit of money which could basically cover your insurance every month plus the 328i is imo fast enough for the casual driver who really doesn't care about 0-60 times or is interested in tracking the car. I know some people will say it's only $200 but for only $300 more i could have leased a M3, but $300 per month over 3 years is quite a bit of money.

[dkvby]

are u sure is 200 more? my fd just leased a brand new E90 335, 0 down and 600 included taxes ... omfg its cheap

[Harvey Specter]

^
New? That's a pretty crazy deal.

[03aspec]

thats an awesome deal!

[Ch28]

are u sure is 200 more? my fd just leased a brand new E90 335, 0 down and 600 included taxes ... omfg its cheap

Not surprised...I can get an 09 M3 out the door for ~66k through a friend that works at BMW.

Economy is down so the sales of luxury cars aren't doing that great.


If you have the extra money to afford the 335i then go for it. My friend has one and its a hell of a fun car to drive. You're looking to keep it long term as well so getting the "better" car right now will make you less likely to get that itch of wanting a new car a few years down the road cause it still performs well.

[LanEvoMR]

Ch28 you have PM.

[Meowjin]

my tl was 475 a month taxes in. Some really really cheap deals out there. But this was last year, im sure the deprecation on leases are more.

[Harvey Specter]

Not surprised...I can get an 09 M3 out the door for ~66k through a friend that works at BMW.

Economy is down so the sales of luxury cars aren't doing that great.


If you have the extra money to afford the 335i then go for it. My friend has one and its a hell of a fun car to drive. You're looking to keep it long term as well so getting the "better" car right now will make you less likely to get that itch of wanting a new car a few years down the road cause it still performs well.

Is the m3 a demo?

[Ferra]

are u sure is 200 more? my fd just leased a brand new E90 335, 0 down and 600 included taxes ... omfg its cheap
are you sure??
I was quoted $895 tax incl for the 335i with zero upfront payment (all fees/pdi/freight goes to the payment)
That's for a ZERO option car with over $4000 discount.

Unless your friend got a $10k discount I don't think you can ever get the lease payment to $600 tax in. Do you know if it is a demo or a "manager used"?

Leasing has become very expensive with BMW due to them making the residual very low now. (I.e. a $40k 328i has residual of $19,500 after 39 months $50k 335i residual is $24,000, in comparison, my $50K 330i residual is $31K)
I am still gonna lease it, but most likely I will buyout the car at the end of the lease term this time.

[Ferra]

Not surprised...I can get an 09 M3 out the door for ~66k through a friend that works at BMW.

Economy is down so the sales of luxury cars aren't doing that great.


If you have the extra money to afford the 335i then go for it. My friend has one and its a hell of a fun car to drive. You're looking to keep it long term as well so getting the "better" car right now will make you less likely to get that itch of wanting a new car a few years down the road cause it still performs well.
My car salesman told me the M3 Sedan can be purchase for 55-60K before tax a while ago. No discount for M3 Coupe tho..lol otherwise I'd take it on a heartbeat.
The M3 Sedan is ugly for an M3

[JoshuaWong]

are you sure??
I was quoted $895 tax incl for the 335i with zero upfront payment (all fees/pdi/freight goes to the payment)
That's for a ZERO option car with over $4000 discount.

Unless your friend got a $10k discount I don't think you can ever get the lease payment to $600 tax in. Do you know if it is a demo or a "manager used"?

Leasing has become very expensive with BMW due to them making the residual very low now. (I.e. a $40k 328i has residual of $19,500 after 39 months $50k 335i residual is $24,000, in comparison, my $50K 330i residual is $31K)
I am still gonna lease it, but most likely I will buyout the car at the end of the lease term this time.


I leased my E90 335i almost 8 months ago and it was fairly good deal which is partly why I opt for the 335i as well. I am only paying $850 tax included with 0 down payment. Sport package w/ paddle was given no charge by the sales. The car was not at the lot as it was built from the factory then shipped as well. I'd say right now buying or leasing a new car have a lot of room for bargaining. If you can afford it, now is the time.

[maxx]

i say 328i - nothing better than the good old fashioned inline 6. the best engine ever mass produced.

I'm looking at a new 3 myself, the twin turbos are very appealing and evil at the same time, knowing I can bump the horses to 350 with an easy tune.

But i think I will stick to the true original inline 6.

[ilvtofu]

Get the 328, looks pretty much the same, got plenty of power, decent exhaust note, decent everything

[maxx]

Get the 328, looks pretty much the same, got plenty of power, great exhaust note, great everything

corrected :thumbsup:

[ilvtofu]

^agreed

[Dinan3]

The 2 of them don't even compare. 328i feels and is an entry level BMW. 335i is a beast in terms of power and makes up for the additional $200 that you have to pay per month.

[maxx]

^^ its funny, you work at BJ - the biggest BMW dealer in Canada and yet you could not be more wrong :)

[Timpo]

328i please

most people can't tell the difference just by looking at it

[Dinan3]

^^ its funny, you work at BJ - the biggest BMW dealer in Canada and yet you could not be more wrong :)

Well, it depends what you're looking for in a car. I like a car that delivers some excitement. The 335 and 135 are my favorites among the BMW line up.

[bob_chan]

The difference between the 328i and the 335i, base model to base model, is most obviously the engine, that the 335i comes standard with leather seats, has a chrome kidney grilles as well as a metal colored accent beside the foglights, standard sports steering wheel, bluetooth, and BMW assist. The 335i also adds adaptive headlights which are not available on the 328i which I think are pretty damn cool.

In terms of a premium, the 335i doesn't actually run that much more than a similarly loaded 328i. The engine is definitely a riot in the 335i and especially if you get the sedan, the car is still very subtle.

My vote would be for the 335i

[HonestTea]

The 2 of them don't even compare. 328i feels and is an entry level BMW. 335i is a beast in terms of power and makes up for the additional $200 that you have to pay per month.

Entry level? Last I recall, the 1-series are entry level BMW's :)

[Harvey Specter]

323i is entry level.

[ilvtofu]

an entry level BMW is still a BMW, and what about this car feels second-rate? How can you say the car looks and feels entry level...

[LanEvoMR]

^ no, an entry level BMW such as 323i doesn't deserve to wear the BMW badge, it's just for people who want the status symbol but don't really have the $$
I wouldn't call the 328i entry level.....but having driven both the 328i and 335i (and ending up going for the latter), the 335i definitely feels tighter and way more powerful....if you are going for the auto transmission the 335i has ZF transmission whereas the 328i has a GM transmission.....the shifts on the 335i are much much quicker, totally feels different
But like I said before, why don't just go for a test drive with both cars? Nothing said on the internet by others can replace what you feel personally when you drive the car

[dark0821]

ya.. test drive probably is ur best option here.. and now when you drive the 335i.. feel how fast it is.. than rmbr.. after its chipped.. it will be alot faster haha... >.> but on the other hand.. i keep gettin school-ed by 328i s already -.- let alone 335

[Pochacho]

the 335i has ZF transmission whereas the 328i has a GM transmission.....the shifts on the 335i are much much quicker, totally feels different

what does ZF stand for?

[TracerFX]

328i please

most people can't tell the difference just by looking at it


I think what he's trying to say (and has been said many times) is that
most girls cant tell the difference...

Example scenario:
Girl: where's your car?
You: That one over there *points*
Girl: Wow, you drive a BMW??
You: Yeah...but this is the 328 model... *regrets leasing a 328*
Girl: huh? anyway, so we're going back to your place right?

:haha:

[LanEvoMR]

what does ZF stand for?

Please read: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166041

[bing]

^ no, an entry level BMW such as 323i doesn't deserve to wear the BMW badge, it's just for people who want the status symbol but don't really have the $$
I wouldn't call the 328i entry level.....but having driven both the 328i and 335i (and ending up going for the latter), the 335i definitely feels tighter and way more powerful....if you are going for the auto transmission the 335i has ZF transmission whereas the 328i has a GM transmission.....the shifts on the 335i are much much quicker, totally feels different
But like I said before, why don't just go for a test drive with both cars? Nothing said on the internet by others can replace what you feel personally when you drive the car

he's right, I have a 323i cause I can't afford a higher model =(
msrp on a 323 when i got it was around 40k+... fucking bmw, should have bought a lancer instead.

[endless402]

diesel!

[achiam]

35k still on original pump, but i did hv wastegate rattle and fixed with turbos replacement.

The wastegate is the same as a blow off valve no? to let off excess boost pressure when letting off on the throttle?
Is the rattle from the valve assembly during pressure release?

[Supafly]

The wastegate is the same as a blow off valve no? to let off excess boost pressure when letting off on the throttle?
Is the rattle from the valve assembly during pressure release?


no really...heres a VERY brief explanation.

blowoff valve bleeds off excess boost when your throttlebody valve closes (when you shift gears/ let off the gas pedal)....

a wastegate bleeds off excess boost when you're boosting to your max setting...( keeping max. boost level in check)

[dark0821]

^ nice explanation...

[ilvtofu]

diesel!

The diesel 335d is horrible value for money, not worth the extra $, is slower, and doesn't save much on gas.

[Gh0stRider]

what do the dealers sell the 335 for now?

[heleu]

The diesel 335d is horrible value for money, not worth the extra $, is slower, and doesn't save much on gas.

...compared to a 323, no it doesn't save much gas.

Compared to a 335, it saves a lot of gas.

The torque rating on the 335d is unreal. I would say it would make the ultimate freeway cruiser.

[dkvby]

Dunno how much the diesel is better, but mine 60 liters go just over 380-400km in city, and just did a road trip to edmonton/calgary and i was getting over 600km on highway.

[bob_chan]

what do the dealers sell the 335 for now?

close to 6K off MSRP with all the rebates included. Cash purchase.

[bob_chan]

The diesel 335d is horrible value for money, not worth the extra $, is slower, and doesn't save much on gas.

If the 335d had xdrive, I'd get it in a heartbeat. Yes the acceleration NUMBERS are slower but the instantaneous torque on tap is amazing. It feels FASTER than a 335i, even though the numbers don't say so. 9L/100Km for city driving can't be beat, especially for a car with 425 lb.ft of torque.:D

[ilvtofu]

Even with a shitload more torque than the 335i it's still slower,
Weighs 200lbs more
It only saves you about 3L/100km which, if you drive around 15,000km a year will save you around $500 which is pretty insignificant in this price range, ($50,000+)
but personally for the fun tradeoff I don't think it's worth it,

+ in canada I think it only comes as the sedan,

but still I think you should get the 328 :D

[Harvey Specter]

I got 8% off my E92 335i (leased). You can get 8% without much begging, 10% is the max.

[endless402]

The diesel 335d is horrible value for money, not worth the extra $, is slower, and doesn't save much on gas.

uh only $800 difference

the 335d is faster in real world driving. nothing like 425 torque

[Roach]

I wonder what will happen when the 335d is chipped?

Kev

[ilvtofu]

wheelspin like you've never seen before,

[Ferra]

went for a test drive today, (they only have a 330xi for test drive)
but I'd have to say I was quite disappointed :(...the car's performance was nothing like what I was expecting

The car felt only marginally faster than the 06 330i I was driving...and there is a big difference compared to a 02 M3 manual (contrary to what I've been hearing)

I test drove the heavier xi and we had 3 people in the car, not sure how much of a difference that made. I compared the 330i and the 335xi on the same stretch (from a 60km/h on ramp going up to 180km/h)

[Harvey Specter]

The gas milage between the two isn't much but you would have to put higher octane in the 335i compared to the 328i. Not too much of a diff tho.

[Mancini]

Your last BMW was a PITA with a minor nuisance coming up every few months and you want to get another one?

[q0192837465]

328i w/ a stick shift is the way to go if fuel economy is on ur mind. Do a quad exhaust conversion & u got urself a mean car.

[LanEvoMR]

The gas milage between the two isn't much but you would have to put higher octane in the 335i compared to the 328i. Not too much of a diff tho.

don't they both require 91?

[ilvtofu]

I guess 94 on the 335?

[Harvey Specter]

don't they both require 91?

328i min. requirement is 91 but most people I've read on the e90post put in 89 without any issues. For the 335i it's recommended you put 91 and higher. I put 91, nothing higher.

[ilvtofu]

^lol nice, not even 92? damn we have to start fueling with 92 in our X3 si... but I do feel a difference even from chevron 92 to shell 91...

[Ferra]

lol...there is nothing higher than 91 in Toronto (except a very few station)

Ended up ordering a fully loaded 335i, MSRP $61,900 with $7200 discount (including the free auto from BMW)
Good/fair/bad deal?

[Harvey Specter]

Coupe or Sedan? Lease?

[Ferra]

Coupe or Sedan? Lease?
sedan, 39 months lease @ 3.9%

[Harvey Specter]

Not a bad deal, what options?

[PNF]

lol...there is nothing higher than 91 in Toronto (except a very few station)

Ended up ordering a fully loaded 335i, MSRP $61,900 with $7200 discount (including the free auto from BMW)
Good/fair/bad deal?

wow, great deal!

to OP, if you can afford it, 335i without a doubt.

328i, while fast enough for most of people, is just slow if you test drove both back to back.

I love my 335i and never regret it.. if you just want to look "cool", E92 328i is probably all you need.. if you can afford it and want to enjoy a real beast, 335i without a doubt.

[JoshuaWong]

Congratulations with your new car!:D Hope you have fun! Check out E90post.com !

[Ferra]

Not a bad deal, what options?
M-Sport $3900
Exec $2200
Navi $2000
Audiophile Pkg $2000
Auto/pedal shift $1700
Metallic paint $800
Lumbar Support $400

The ONLY option I really wanted was the M-sport, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of their 335i with M-sport are pretty much fully loaded...

The M-sport pkg & 18" wheels make the car stand out a lot more...i hate the fact that a plain 335i being $15000 more expensive looks almost identical to a 323i. (except for a few chrome trims & exhaust...)

[Harvey Specter]

Very nice deal because your car is stacked with options. And I agree, the M-sport package is a must and well worth the extra money. It's actually cheaper to get the package compared ot buying the package seperate. I wish the E92's had it when I got my car but oh well. By the way, does the audiophile package include the usb input?

[oel]

M-Sport $3900
Exec $2200
Navi $2000
Audiophile Pkg $2000
Auto/pedal shift $1700
Metallic paint $800
Lumbar Support $400

The ONLY option I really wanted was the M-sport, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of their 335i with M-sport are pretty much fully loaded...

The M-sport pkg & 18" wheels make the car stand out a lot more...i hate the fact that a plain 335i being $15000 more expensive looks almost identical to a 323i. (except for a few chrome trims & exhaust...)

which dealer did you order from?

[bob_chan]

M-Sport $3900
Exec $2200
Navi $2000
Audiophile Pkg $2000
Auto/pedal shift $1700
Metallic paint $800
Lumbar Support $400

The ONLY option I really wanted was the M-sport, but EVERY SINGLE ONE of their 335i with M-sport are pretty much fully loaded...

The M-sport pkg & 18" wheels make the car stand out a lot more...i hate the fact that a plain 335i being $15000 more expensive looks almost identical to a 323i. (except for a few chrome trims & exhaust...)

I actually like the fact that it's hard to differentiate the car from lesser models to the untrained eye. The stealth factor...;)

[HonestTea]

Not a bad deal, especially when it's fully loaded with Exec/M-Sport/Navi

Do you get I-drive as well with Exec?

[Ferra]

Not a bad deal, especially when it's fully loaded with Exec/M-Sport/Navi

Do you get I-drive as well with Exec?
iDrive comes with the $2000 navi system...main reason I took the navi despite it being so much more expensive and slower compare to aftermarket navi. (They have a few m-sport w/o navi, but it just feels weird having no LCD display on the dashboard)
Audiophile pkg comes with USB input.

I am in Toronto, I supposed the saleman gave me a good deal, my parents and brother had purchased a few car from him before.

and I am not sure if this is because of the price, but the dealer even charged me $75 for gas :confused: $50k+ car and they charge me for a tank of gas..lol

[wahyinghung]

^ Maybe it's a Toronto thing :confused:

[Harvey Specter]

That is messed up. My car came filled and even my moms new Accord came filled.

[ilvtofu]

Probably just dried up, toronto's a hole. :@!!!