[lilaznviper]

so my dad wants the change his old 95 dodge caravan for another car but is between a rav4 and a crv
anything wrong with any of these cars?

i think the rav4 just had a facelift for the 2009 versions but im not sure about the crv since its been out for awhile and don't want to buy a 2009 model and next year they do a facelift for it

and does anyone know how the scrape it program works?

or instead of the scrape it program, should we sell it since it only has about 104xxx km on the car

so update:

so still didnt get the car yet since my dad has second thoughts about the rav4 and the swing back trunk that if he ever carried wood or other long items it wouldn't work

been looking at the forester PZEV and it looks good for the price

also been looking at the hyundai tucson GL V6 4WD but not sure about hyundai's reliablity

and the nissan rogue SL AWD

any idea how much bargining room there is for these companies??

[ctsport]

I have friends and relatives that have both and I like the CRV a lot more. (both 4 cylinder models)

[sexyaccord]

use the scrap it program

[lilaznviper]

damn i need 12 months of insurance papers... and i think my dad threw them away already since we just renewed the insurance for the car in march

scrap it program, get back 1250 dollars

is there a way where i can get evidence of my dad insuring the vechicle last year?

[orange7]

lol..
not trying to diss dodge chrysler, but you'd get more from scrapping the metal on wheels than selling it.

[Mananetwork]

Scrap the Chinese Recreational Vehicle, go with the RAv4

[orange7]

Rav4 awd

i don't think there is an awd version for the crv

[tiger_handheld]

CRV - Trusted name band, Honda Quality!

Rav4 - Toyota, building a better tomorrow.

It's your call ...

[carmaniac]

Mitsubishi Outlander!

10 year powertrain warranty!

[Razr]

I'd go for the RAV4 ...I think it sits a bit higher than the CRV and its so maneouvarable
and if you can get the V6 version!

[lilaznviper]

mits and mazda is two types of cars my dad will never go near aha not sure why though

we been siding with the rav4 instead of the crv since its cheaper but one thing is that the toyota doesnt have the 4wd always on and only on when its needed but im not sure if the crv has the same function but im sure that when it says real time 4wd it means that its always 4wd?

is it worth it for $4000 more to go up a package from basic to sport for the rav4
basic $32000
sport $36000

they only difference i see is that wheels are different and the door handles look butt ugly when the car color is not black

[anti-vip]

crv = VTAAAKKK

[Edison_Chen]

RAV4 ftw.

Depending how much you are looking to spend. V6>I4. The limited model for the RAV4 is about 35 ish before taxes. Plus you get the touch start on the limited model

As for you previous insurance, if you do not have the old papers, then you need to contact ICBC to get them to reprint them for you. However they will charge you a small fee

[ilvtofu]

If you get the Rav 4 4 cylinder, hopefully the difference in gas mileage with the caravan will be enough that you can get $2500 rebate,
The scrap it is on top of your trade in, so you get the value from the dealer ($1000?!?!?!) lol caravans aren't worth shit used.

But IMO get the rav 4 4 cyl, because the engine has enough power and isn't noisy, not saying the V6 isn't great but the 4 is fast enough and gets better mileage,
Also Rav4 has better 4wd for the snow and I think the diff can lock, but everyone knows the Rav4 has better 4wd, even the honda salesman will tell you that.

The Rav4 is getting old though, so maybe look at the Venza, which is basically the new Rav4, it's not as cool or agressive but It's got a lot of practicality going for it, and it's new, basically a rebadged RX350,

CRV is just POS IMO, the interior feels sloppy, looks C-Lai, and awd sucks,

[beater240]

^ Goodluck finding a V6 Venza though. I tried to get one recently, but it was like a 6 month wait period. Also, compared to the Rav4, its quite slow b/c of the weight.

But to the OP's question, Rav4 vs. Crv, the Rav4 is way more fun to drive with the V6. I guess as the rednecks say, there's no replacement for displacement.

[Shun Izaki]

The CRV is more peppy and definitely more "sporty".

But nothing like the rav4's awesome comfort + torque.

[smk]

RAV4 is very comfortable and has lots of power (V6)! IMO the looks is also better than the CR-V

[!Aznboi128]

CRV cause that k24 has a lot of potenial

[orange7]

since the crv is having a facelift next year (like you said), why not wait till next year and then decide?

cause right now you're comparing a newer model to a model that has been around for a while. kinda unfair IMO

[YK86]

A family friend just bought a 2010 RAV4 Sport V6. I think he said he paid $35,000 including taxes and stuff. I was quite impressed even though I've never really been a fan of the older RAV4's. The new design looks much much better than the previous ones. Even had a reverse cam (with a part of the rear view mirror acting as the monitor) which is a nice little feature. He lives in North Van but mentioned going up the cut after the Iron Worker's bridge with his family of 4 and heavy luggage is no problem at all.

[Preemo]

CRV cause that k24 has a lot of potenial

And do what with it in a CRV? Lower it add rims and add a spoiler?

Buck for buck and pound for pound, I would not go back to a CRV. My cousin owns one and I own a V6 Rav4. Power wise, even just cruising around town, the Rav. I am not sure what model the CRV was though. So it might not be a fair comparison.

My Rav seats 7. And when you seat 7 people you need all that torque.

And boy, does it have torque!

[death_blossom]

CRV cause that k24 has a lot of potenial
A fully modified screaming hi-revving K24 probably isn't what the OP's father wants in an SUV. :p

My parents have shopped around for mini-SUVs for the past few years, so I'll throw in a few extra pointers about those two cars. Something your dad may look out for is the way the door opens on the Rav-4. It opens like a door, unlike the gated hatch like the CR-V and your Caravan currently have. That's an issue for my mom as she prefers the mini-van style hatch door for clearance issues and fitting more groceries in, haha. If you are looking to buy the top of the line for the CR-V, there is no v6 option. Personally, that kind of bugs me since you are paying around 40g for the vehicle, and the engine choice is exactly identical to the cheapest trim.

[ilvtofu]

A base-ish (sport?) Rav4 V6 is your best bet because for the same price you don't get very much in the CRV.

[Adsdeman]

Y not go with a forester, more ground clearance than both!! Better awd system too

[!Aznboi128]

^ that's actually true

and the forester handles like a dream cause its based of the wrx, I'm not sure but if there is still that 2.5 turbo avaliable GET IT!

[lilaznviper]

RAV4 ftw.

Depending how much you are looking to spend. V6>I4. The limited model for the RAV4 is about 35 ish before taxes. Plus you get the touch start on the limited model

As for you previous insurance, if you do not have the old papers, then you need to contact ICBC to get them to reprint them for you. However they will charge you a small fee

touch start is nice but sucks when the battery dies like it did in my corolla. totally sucked.

If you get the Rav 4 4 cylinder, hopefully the difference in gas mileage with the caravan will be enough that you can get $2500 rebate,
The scrap it is on top of your trade in, so you get the value from the dealer ($1000?!?!?!) lol caravans aren't worth shit used.

But IMO get the rav 4 4 cyl, because the engine has enough power and isn't noisy, not saying the V6 isn't great but the 4 is fast enough and gets better mileage,
Also Rav4 has better 4wd for the snow and I think the diff can lock, but everyone knows the Rav4 has better 4wd, even the honda salesman will tell you that.

The Rav4 is getting old though, so maybe look at the Venza, which is basically the new Rav4, it's not as cool or agressive but It's got a lot of practicality going for it, and it's new, basically a rebadged RX350,

CRV is just POS IMO, the interior feels sloppy, looks C-Lai, and awd sucks,

the gas difference isn't a lot but enough to get $1250 and trade in value for the car is 1k. as for venza is too big for the liking plus uses more gas

since the crv is having a facelift next year (like you said), why not wait till next year and then decide?

cause right now you're comparing a newer model to a model that has been around for a while. kinda unfair IMO

i can't really wait because the transmission is about to die and want to get that $1250 instead of nothing

A fully modified screaming hi-revving K24 probably isn't what the OP's father wants in an SUV. :p

My parents have shopped around for mini-SUVs for the past few years, so I'll throw in a few extra pointers about those two cars. Something your dad may look out for is the way the door opens on the Rav-4. It opens like a door, unlike the gated hatch like the CR-V and your Caravan currently have. That's an issue for my mom as she prefers the mini-van style hatch door for clearance issues and fitting more groceries in, haha. If you are looking to buy the top of the line for the CR-V, there is no v6 option. Personally, that kind of bugs me since you are paying around 40g for the vehicle, and the engine choice is exactly identical to the cheapest trim.

how the rav4 opens will be hard to adapt to it cuz of how the door swings out

Y not go with a forester, more ground clearance than both!! Better awd system too

GAS!!!

[twitchyzero]

what's wrong with doors swinging out..it's not meant to be a minivan
i didnt know you can compare venza with rav4....rav4 is much smaller

[dark0821]

i've driven the Rav4 and only sat in the CRV... from experience.. i iwill opt for the Rav4 hehe..

[ilvtofu]

The 4 cylinder Forester isn't too bad on gas, but the turbo is fun and you can chip it to near 300HP :D

Forester is a little bit smaller I think, but it's newer than the other 2, and as stated above handles better,

[orange7]

The 4 cylinder Forester isn't too bad on gas, but the turbo is fun and you can chip it to near 300HP :D

Forester is a little bit smaller I think, but it's newer than the other 2, and as stated above handles better,

I don't think his dad cares whether the car has 260hp (Rav4 v6) or 300hp.

but i've always wanted my family to get an suv, and when we do I'll make sure we get the v6 Rav4 awd since it feels like it has slightly better material. Besides, the Rav4 looks better than the Cr-v at the moment, and like you said the Crv is going to have a facelift soon.

+1 for a v6 Rav4 awd

[lilaznviper]

he can care less for the HP it gives out
he just wants a car that can carry big things and still be good on gas

thinking about the rav4 sport 4 cylinder

[orange7]

^
what about getting the awd option?
though fuel consumption will go up a bit, but it's better for the snow

[shenmecar]

RAV4 cuz it still looks decent. CRV is messed up.

[lilaznviper]

^
what about getting the awd option?
though fuel consumption will go up a bit, but it's better for the snow

i thought that the rav4 comes standard with 4wd

[thumper]

subaru forester ftw. there has been a few magazine comparisons since it's release and it's beaten the rav4 and crv in all of them overall (ie. did not win a few categories).

but the v6 rav4... a lot faster than i thought it would be when i drove it :eek: but i don't care much for the rear door swinging out the wrong side and the spare hanging out the back. anyone who has to back into a garage or load up while parked on the street knows what i'm talking about.

[Shun Izaki]

The only thing about the rav-4 that bothers me, is that it seems when it switched from 2wd --> 4wd its a bit touchy about that... and can sometimes not engage the way you'd like it.

(as per the way I drove it)

[JSALES]

RAV4 because it's toyota
not the CRV because i don't really like honda haha

[orange7]

i thought that the rav4 comes standard with 4wd

err.. there's the standard 4wd and the standard 2wd. It's not really an option, but you do pay a little more for the 4wd.

check toyota.ca

[IMASA]

I chose the CRV because I didn't like the cheap/bland looking interior of the RAV4, my right leg kept hitting the center console and the swing door design of the rear hatch made it impractical to open when parked in my garage.

[ilvtofu]

Having the spare tire hanging outside does improve the trunk space a lot i think, not sure about current gen, but i remember looking at the last gen RAV4 and the trunk was so tall!, Also Rav4 has an optional but useless 3rd row!

I +1 on the rav4 4cyl sport looks good with those rims and got great gas mileage and still plenty of power, must be 4wd IMO, didn't even know it wasn't standard.

[Timpo]

CRV!

Honda > Toyota

[orange7]

^
typical timpost

To everyone: Please ignore the post above

[Timpo]

^
typical timpost

To everyone: Please ignore the post abovejust in general i have been noticing that the quality of Honda better than Toyota.

Toyota's interior is sort of plastic-ish kinda like GM, Ford and Chrysler.

[orange7]

^ i just realized you name doesn't rhyme with anything other words.

[Timpo]

ok?

[J-Chow]

i dunno man. My mom picked up her new CR-V today, and I was like . . . . . ."meh". :rolleyes:

For about $28k, there were way more options imo.

Rav4 , Forester, Outlander, CX7, Tiguan, and then there's the domestics.

Oh wellz, at least its an upgrade from the 93' RWD mazda MPV :haha:

[orange7]

Oh wellz, at least its an upgrade from the 93' RWD mazda MPV :haha:

those were RWD? now that I didn't know..

crazy...

[68style]

I'm not a Honda fan... but I think the CR-V is a better buy... literally never depreciates... I see ones that are 2 or 3 years old selling for the same price as new ones, it's ridiculous.

Also, compare apples to apples... 4 cylinder models... forget the V6, it's a 4.0L and sucks gas like it's going out of style so unless your Dad likes dumping $50-60 of fuel every 400km or so that shouldn't be considered. Yah it's fast, but the throttle is super touchy and the transmission can't seem to decide whether you want to accelerate hard or hardest (there's no gradual option apparently and I've driven 2 different V6 ones).

The 4 cylinder is more than adequate on the RAV-4 for your Dad. People on here are thinking with racing heads instead of practical ones :p Anyway I think the CR-V is better based on driving both and that's coming from someone who owns Toyota's.

[124Y]

I would choose the CRV if it were between the 2. However, as previously mentioned, the Subaru forester is a good choice as well and I would choose that over the CRV. Just my 2cents. :D

[Prostrho]

Try a base Rav4 4cyl. You might find the Rav4 Sport a bit too bumpy.

[ilvtofu]

^^^although I prefer the 4 cyl for the RAV4 it's actually a 3.5 and is really good on gas considering the power, size, and weight of the car, It's one of the most fuel efficient V6s out there

[orange7]

any thoughts about the Nissan Rogue???

Then again, I hate that suv a lot because it's so noisy and slugggish.

hm.. Rav4 is probably your best bet right now since it's going to be your dad's car.

[lilaznviper]

i have recently read up on the rav4 4wd and it seems like the car wont go into 4wd unless the front wheels start to slip then the 4wd will start to kick in so most of the time its 2wd unless i manually push a button for 4wd going below 40km/h

seems like a neat feature

[racerman88]

the new rav4 looks nicer than the crv. If the van is still running, you can donate it to the kidney foundation and get a tax receipt

[threezero]

mits and mazda is two types of cars my dad will never go near aha not sure why though




is your dad chinese? my dad is like that too.

and i suggest

subaru forrester

[lilaznviper]

yeah chinese

[ShanghaiKid]

rav4...cause i have one....and the v6 rapes 80% of the cars on the road, and 100% of the ricers, anyway (not that you need it, riiiighhhhtttt? ;)).

[wahyinghung]

I would say Rav4 > CRV for the current model however it would be the other way around in the previous ones

[orange7]

forester > rav4 > crv > ..... > transit

[lilaznviper]

so still didnt get the car yet since my dad has second thoughts about the rav4 and the swing back trunk that if he ever carried wood or other long items it wouldn't work

been looking at the forester PZEV and it looks good for the price

also been looking at the hyundai tucson GL V6 4WD but not sure about hyundai's reliablity

and the nissan rogue SL AWD

any idea how much bargining room there is for these companies??

[ilvtofu]

Forester PZEV is one of the few actually green cars out there :)
I really like it

As for the tucson, i had a sportage for a courtesy car once, which i think is a similar car? and it really sucked, felt like it'd fall apart, the santa fe is a much nicer car

Nissan rogue is good value for the money too, but if CVT isn't ur thing... and the styling may not be right for some

[ecsw]

my choice is obvious. :)

[death_blossom]

so still didnt get the car yet since my dad has second thoughts about the rav4 and the swing back trunk that if he ever carried wood or other long items it wouldn't work

ah-hahaha, I know how parents think. :p

as for talking down the price, Toyota still has their lame "access pricing" system which means no discounts. but maybe they will discount some cars in this bad economy.

[spenny]

I've driven both.. the CRV feels like a little mini-van, and the RAV4 feels like a little SUV.

[ecsw]

ah-hahaha, I know how parents think. :p

as for talking down the price, Toyota still has their lame "access pricing" system which means no discounts. but maybe they will discount some cars in this bad economy.

access toyota was gone for a while. look around the forum and you should be able to see discussion on this I believe.

[lilaznviper]

when i was at the toyota dealership that guy told us it was one price and no discount

[ecsw]

^ That's what sales in the deal want you to believe. ppl buying Toyota usually look at nothing else and pay for whatever asked for. :p

http://www.revscene.net/forums/toyota-one-price-t573549.html?t=573549&highlight=access+toyota

While you can get a few grands off from Lexus, why not Toyota?

Here is quoted directly from Toyota website as from thread mentioned.

http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/28/wo/Home.Vehicles.Pricing-vfBYB9QRYQyJWQndtxPQKw/2.19.3.1.3.1
JULY 06, 2009

All prices reflect Manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) in Canadian dollars.
Dealer may sell for less. A Toyota Dealer is free to set its own selling price for Toyota products and services.
Vehicle prices subject to change without notice.
Vehicle price does NOT include taxes, levies, fees, freight and delivery charges, insurance and license fees, as well as any other products or services not listed that may be made available to you through your selected Toyota dealership.

[sas]

Another vote for the V6 Rav4.

0-60 in 6 seconds. Crazy

[ecsw]

^ omg. I saw ppl said Camry V6 does 0-60 (0-100kph) in 6 seconds and now V6 Rav 4 does the same? hmmm..... does highlander does the same too? :)

[Topgrinder]

i test drove both of them 09 models. both great cars but i prefer the rav4