[choda]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/12/iran.election/index.html

NOOOOOOOO!!!! Why does Ahmadinefuckup have the lead!! What is wrong with my people? I really hope Iran choses someone a bit less fucked up for once in their lives, hopefully someone who knows how to shave, dress, and not say messed up shit!

[Meowjin]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/12/iran.election/index.html

NOOOOOOOO!!!! Why does Ahmadinefuckup have the lead!! What is wrong with my people? I really hope Iran choses someone a bit less fucked up for once in their lives, hopefully someone who knows how to shave, dress, and not say messed up shit!

why?

[StylinRed]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/12/iran.election/index.html

NOOOOOOOO!!!! Why does Ahmadinefuckup have the lead!! What is wrong with my people? I really hope Iran choses someone a bit less fucked up for once in their lives, hopefully someone who knows how to shave, dress, and not say messed up shit!

what's wrong with ahmadinejad?? or are you trying to pander to the westerners on here? you forgot we're Canada and not the states

in terms of concerns for the state he's done very well, globally he might not be so welcomed but really only in the USA/UK since he's anti USA policy

there's no reason to hate on him

anyway only 19% of the vote is counted so far of which he has 60+% of the votes


even the vaunted discussion on the holocaust is blown out of proportion by the usa because they don't like him they twisted it etc to give him a bad image (this topic alone is worth a book so i wont bother and am prepared for ignorant remarks)

[Eastwood]

Besides don't believe everything the U.S. media tells you. I know they're reporting saying that the people want change, but that probably isn't the truth.

Besides who cares. Iran has never invaded anyone, or will.

[El Bastardo]

what's wrong with ahmadinejad??

...

even the vaunted discussion on the holocaust is blown out of proportion by the usa because they don't like him they twisted it etc to give him a bad image (this topic alone is worth a book so i wont bother and am prepared for ignorant remarks)



Dude, the anti-semitic shit is pretty well documented. You can't blame that entirely on the media.

[choda]

So you're saying that you want someone who openly denies the holocaust, says that there are no homosexuals living in Iran, continues to persecute people for their religious beliefs to run one of the most unstable countries in the world? Let alone he continues to enrich uranium for "power sources", not for nuclear bombs. It's like saying, oh North Korea were to keep re-electing Kim Jong Il, if they could.

[Eastwood]

So you're saying that you want someone who openly denies the holocaust, says that there are no homosexuals living in Iran, continues to persecute people for their religious beliefs to run one of the most unstable countries in the world? Let alone he continues to enrich uranium for "power sources", not for nuclear bombs. It's like saying, oh North Korea were to keep re-electing Kim Jong Il, if they could.
Iran doesn't prosecute people for there religious beliefs. In fact there are about 10,000 Jews living in Iran.

Also Iran is the most stable country in the Middle East.

[choda]

Iran doesn't prosecute people for there religious beliefs. In fact there are about 10,000 Jews living in Iran.

Also Iran is the most stable country in the Middle East.

Ever heard of the Baha'i faith? You my friend need to do some research

Edit: I did the research for you http://iran.bahai.us/

[ZhangFei]

Dude, the anti-semitic shit is pretty well documented. You can't blame that entirely on the media.

you mean anti-zionist.... ;)

[dna82]

there are no homosexuals in iran, srsly.

[Xnova]

hes a pretty chill guy, i hung out with him

true story

[StylinRed]

he doesn't deny the holocaust he denies elements of it, he doesnt deny that jews were killed either

but there is much evidence etc to suggest (the most educated of WW2 agree) that there are discrepencies on how things happen and he just wants to discuss and research that... (probably to piss america off as well because america is so staunchly supporting only 1 viewpoint)



anyway he's not even in control of foreign policy and the nuclear situation of Iran some cleric is

[!LittleDragon]

I don't get it... so the US wants democracy for all, blah blah blah yet here is a country that has a democratically elected leader but because they don't share the same views as the US, they are all of the sudden in the Axis of Evil? Democracy is a double edge sword. It reflects the wants and needs of the majority and it's not always pretty

[Manic!]

I don't get it... so the US wants democracy for all, blah blah blah yet here is a country that has a democratically elected leader

I don't think you know how there political system works.

The absolute ruler is not elected and he has the final say on who can run for president.
http://hakki.fi/english/images/news/iran_powershare.jpg

[StylinRed]

I don't get it... so the US wants democracy for all, blah blah blah yet here is a country that has a democratically elected leader but because they don't share the same views as the US, they are all of the sudden in the Axis of Evil? Democracy is a double edge sword. It reflects the wants and needs of the majority and it's not always pretty

usa only believies in capitalism it doesnt give a rats ass about democracy

[Nightwalker]

The place is all rioty, moltov cocktail and government buildings burning down and shit.

Sounds like the people didn't take kindly to the rigged election.

[StylinRed]

the opposition would have called it a rigged election regardless of the result


if he had won by a small amount they would have said there was voter fraud and the difference in votes being a small amount is believable

with the margin soo lop sided they're still calling it voter fraud but on such a massive scale? thats much less believeable

[wahyinghung]

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00072/iran_election_pro_72041gm-a.jpg

[dna82]

the opposition would have called it a rigged election regardless of the result


if he had won by a small amount they would have said there was voter fraud and the difference in votes being a small amount is believable

with the margin soo lop sided they're still calling it voter fraud but on such a massive scale? thats much less believeable

you take this 'don't believe the media' hype a bit tooooooo far.

[StylinRed]

has nothing to do with the media.... the media doesn't know either they're just speculating and taking the words of anti-iranian groups....

its just a matter of reason

infact my comment had nothing to do with the media... -_-

[Manic!]

has nothing to do with the media.... the media doesn't know either they're just speculating and taking the words of anti-iranian groups....

its just a matter of reason

infact my comment had nothing to do with the media... -_-

There is no way of knowing if they were rigged or not. Election monitors were not allowed. But if your not allowing election monitors there has to be a reason why. Most obvious is that your cheating.




"Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli warned that any demonstrations needed official permission, and none had been given."


Stuff like that makes me laugh.

[StylinRed]

^^^ yea that was a retarded comment, on another note that guys a billionaire



election monitors are in place for 3rd world countries it'd be demeaning to Iran to accept that

not only that who could they trust to monitor the election without fearing they would side with the usa and claim voter fraud (especially in hindsight when americas nemesis Ahmadinejad won)

[Manic!]

^^^ yea that was a retarded comment, on another note that guys a billionaire



election monitors are in place for 3rd world countries it'd be demeaning to Iran to accept that

not only that who could they trust to monitor the election without fearing they would side with the usa and claim voter fraud (especially in hindsight when americas nemesis Ahmadinejad won)

Election monitors and scrutineers are at all elections including the US and canada. Mir Hossein Mousavi the person running against Ahmadinejad wanted to have his people at polling station to make sure nothing funny was going on. He was not allowed to do that.

A lot of Mousavi supporters are young and use Facebook to campaign for him. A few days before the election facebook stopped working.

[dna82]

has nothing to do with the media.... the media doesn't know either they're just speculating and taking the words of anti-iranian groups....

its just a matter of reason

infact my comment had nothing to do with the media... -_-


so your reasoning is that ahmawhatever won by such a large percentile, that fraud isn't likely?




Originally Posted by StylinRed
the opposition would have called it a rigged election regardless of the result


if he had won by a small amount they would have said there was voter fraud and the difference in votes being a small amount is believable

with the margin soo lop sided they're still calling it voter fraud but on such a massive scale? thats much less believeable


Quote:
Originally Posted by StylinRed
what's wrong with ahmadinejad??

...

even the vaunted discussion on the holocaust is blown out of proportion by the usa because they don't like him they twisted it etc to give him a bad image (this topic alone is worth a book so i wont bother and am prepared for ignorant remarks)

[StylinRed]

Mir Hossein Mousavi the person running against Ahmadinejad wanted to have his people at polling station to make sure nothing funny was going on. He was not allowed to do that.


or to reinforce claims that it was "rigged", i wouldn't be surprised if the US was paying for Mousavi supporters to continue riots (they've done it before and recently)

[Manic!]

or to reinforce claims that it was "rigged", i wouldn't be surprised if the US was paying for Mousavi supporters to continue riots (they've done it before and recently)

You mean like those death to America rallies that happen where out of work people from small villages and towns are bribed with free sandwiches and then bussed to Tehran.

[StylinRed]

yes, except those rallies aren't happening in foreign soil

[Jackwimmer]

my cousin said the streets right now is insane lmfao
fucking ahmadinejad and them harsh blocked the internet and phone lines so people couldnt communicate during the elections
what a fag

[Manic!]

my cousin said the streets right now is insane lmfao
fucking ahmadinejad and them harsh blocked the internet and phone lines so people couldnt communicate during the elections
what a fag

We could be seeing a second revolution or another tenement square

[LeanNsupreme]

Remember people: its not the vote that counts, its who counts the vote.

[choda]

Ya, a bunch of my friends are in Iran right now and they said that things are nuts! Can't wait for another revolution, out with the old and in with the new!!!

[StylinRed]

u mean so Iran can go back to the Shah and pillage the poor?

[choda]

At least with the Shah in power things were in much better condition in Iran. Not saying everything the Shah did was right, but things were MUCH better back then. I'm not even saying bring back the Shah's son, just something or someone new that isn't a hardcore Islamic fundamentalist.

[Manic!]

u mean so Iran can go back to the Shah and pillage the poor?

You think the poor are better off now???

[StylinRed]

they are and would be better if there were no sanctions on Iran by the USA



Ahmadinejad:
"Some people want democracy only for their own sake," he said, referring to his critics both inside and outside of Iran.

"Some want elections, freedom, a sound election. They recognise it only as long as the result favours them."


Victory Celebration in Iran

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8099501.stm

notice for the celebration was given 1 day in advance according to the BBC, there must be a few million ppl there


(not sure if this works edit: nope cant embed the video)

[Synaptik]

We could be seeing a second revolution or another tenement square

i bet youre white.

[Manic!]

they are and would be better if there were no sanctions on Iran by the USA)

The unemployment rate is 22% and the sanctions by the UN not just the US.

The few people I have talked to that have lived in Iran say it was better before the revolution. A number of people who took part in the revolution don't like what the government is doing some have even moved to America.

[Manic!]

i bet youre white.

Holly crap I have finally done it I wave passed for being white!!! Break out the Kraft Dinner and Grey Poupon.

[Manic!]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45923000/jpg/_45923406_-42.jpg

[StylinRed]

The unemployment rate is 22% and the sanctions by the UN not just the US.

The few people I have talked to that have lived in Iran say it was better before the revolution. A number of people who took part in the revolution don't like what the government is doing some have even moved to America.

unemployment rate listings??? what are you even trying to say with that.... lets throw up the "slavery rate" during the Shah what was that 85% ?
you realize the vast exodus of people out of Iran after the Shahs collapse were mostly collaborators? those who were profiting off of how things were run? (thats why most persians here are loaded they were bloodsuckers)

you will always find people who are not happy.... are you ignoring the millions who are happy?

could things be better? of course..... that can be said for ANYWHERE, even/especially here...

obviously the santions are by the UN... jesus..... lets be serious here we all know which country placed those sanctions... do we really need to pretend otherwise...

sounds like we're just keeping up this argument because you refuse to believe otherwise or at least believe that things could be /are probably different than how the antagonist's(partisan) media/surpporters are representing it

which is all im trying to get across (even though i may have delved a little too far into partisanship of Ahmadinejad, but i had to to combat the excessive force of the opposite side)

[StylinRed]

read this

actions of Ahmadinejad that we don't hear about in the west

EURASIA INSIGHT

IRAN: AHMADINEJAD MAKING POLITICAL GAMBIT TO ENHANCE HIS AUTHORITY IN TEHRAN
Kamal Nazer Yasin 10/22/08

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is risking his political future by striving to decouple his neo-conservative faction from long-standing domestic allies -- traditionalist clergy and small-scale merchants. If successful, Ahmadinejad would gain a greater degree of freedom of action in both the domestic and international arenas.

What Ahmadinejad might do with that added freedom is a topic that experts both inside and out of Iran are starting to grapple with. Many believe that a puffed-up Ahmadinejad would be a dangerous development for global security. But a few suggest that Ahmadinejad is interested in ditching his bombastic image in favor of a new persona as peacemaker.

Ahmadinejad’s recent moves to sever ties with traditionalists and so-called bazaaris are designed to position him for his presidential reelection bid in 2009. The most overt sign of this intention was the government’s attempt in early October to introduce a modest value-added tax on small shop owners, who collectively form the bazaari class. The bazaaris responded immediately with a crippling strike.

In September, Ahmadinejad also made a high-profile move to distance himself from the traditionalist faction. He did so by offering unqualified support to Esfandiar Rahim Mashai, Iran’s vice president for tourism, who caused a scandal by asserting that Iran was a friend of the Israeli people. Although Ahmadinejad has made highly publicized comments in the past that expressed a desire to wipe the state of Israel off the map, he resolutely defended Mashai’s statement, and rejected traditionalist calls for the vice president’s resignation. "We have no problem with people and nations," Ahmadinejad said during a September 18 news conference.

Earlier in the summer, Mohammad Norizadeh, a top presidential aide, signaled Ahmadinejad’s growing disenchantment with traditionalist clergy with public comments critical of supposed meddling by top clerics in political affairs. Norizadeh suggested such behavior sowed "confusion and anxiety" among the general public.

Since 1979, traditionalists and bazaaris have served as two of the central pillars of support for the Islamic revolution. But both factions, while playing a valuable role in securing the presidency for Ahmadinejad in 2005, are not considered to be part of his base. Ahmadinejad’s neo-conservative faction is composed mainly of elements connected to the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij militia.

So far during his first term, Ahmadinejad has had to wage vigorous behind-the-scenes struggles for control of the policy-making agenda. Apparently, the president and his backers now feel powerful enough that they no longer need the traditionalists’ and bazaaris’ support to gain reelection. Thus, Ahmadinejad appears to be taking a political chance. If his political calculations are correct, he would emerge from the 2009 election with enhanced authority, and therefore gain a controlling interest in Tehran’s policy apparatus.

"These moves speak of a sense of self-confidence," said one well-connected political observer in Tehran. "By keeping Mashai in his job and resisting pressure to sack him and by going against the interests of the bazaaris, he [Ahmadinejad] has made it known that he is not beholden to these traditional [power brokers]. He must also be tired of the constant interference from these people."

It remains far from certain whether Ahmadinejad’s gambit is assured of success. One troubling sign for him was the fact that he had to back off from his value-added tax proposal due to strong bazaari opposition. Another indicator that Ahmadinejad may lack sufficient heft surfaced on October 22, when his administration backtracked on an initiative to allow a US-based non-governmental organization, the American-Iranian Council, to open an office in Tehran. Earlier this month, AIC obtained a waiver from the US Treasury Department to conduct operations in Iran, action that probably would not have been forthcoming unless some sort of tacit agreement had been in place between US and Iranian authorities. But on October 22, a close Ahmadinejad ally, Interior Minister Ali Kordan, announced that Iran would not give AIC final authorization to open an office in the country.

Offsetting those troubling signs, Ahmadinejad seemingly continues to enjoy the support of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archive].

One Tehran-based expert suggests that Ahmadinejad’s agenda for a second term requires him to jettison the traditionalists and bazaaris. That’s because, in sharp contrast to the blustery and belligerent rhetoric of his first term, Ahmadinejad wants to recast himself as a statesman, if he wins reelection. In particular, the expert claims, Ahmadinejad would be interested in exploring the normalization of bilateral American-Iranian relations with the next US presidential administration.

Normalization would appear to offer Iran the best means for wriggling out of the economic mess in which the country presently finds itself, a mess that the Ahmadinejad administration had a major role in making during the last three-plus years. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archive]. If accurate, Ahmadinejad’s sudden interest in normalization would seem to confirm a political maxim: the desire for power trumps any attachment to principle. It would also help explain why he would act to end his association with traditionalists and bazaaris, as both factions steadfastly oppose any move to restore ties between Washington and Tehran. Both groups fear that normalization would lead to the globalization of Iran’s society and economy, thus severely eroding the factions’ influence inside the country.

In arguing that Ahmadinejad is set to make a drastic foreign policy departure, some experts point to his September comments on Mashai and Israel. They cast the president’s expression of friendship for the Israeli people as a signal that he wishes to moderate his position on the Middle East.

But there are plenty of Iran watchers in the United States and elsewhere who remain skeptical about Ahmadinejad’s intentions. Many have a hard time envisioning Ahmadinejad in the role of peacemaker after watching him act like a crisis-monger since his election. Most are not eager to see Ahmadinejad win a second term, believing that it is far more likely that he would do more to complicate than to facilitate a US-Iranian rapprochement.

Among the wary is Gary Sick, an Iran expert and former member of the US National Security Council. Sick could not completely discount the possibility that Ahmadinejad might undergo a drastic political conversion, pointing out that it tends to be easier for "people [like Ahmadinejad] who have consistently taken a hard line against an adversary to talk to that country, [rather] than people who have called for talks all along." But he emphasized that it was impossible to say for sure what Ahmadinejad’s intentions were at this time.

David Albright, the president of Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security, is among the few who feels Ahmadinejad is potentially capable of changing. Albright noted that when meeting Ahmadinejad in an official capacity and with media cameras around, the Iranian president tries to live up to his bad-boy image by making outlandish quips. But in a private setting, Albright said, "he comes across as much more reasonable than his public persona."

Editor's Note: Kamal Nazer Yasin is a pseudonym for a freelance journalist specializing in Iranian affairs.

Posted October 22, 2008 © Eurasianet
http://www.eurasianet.org


http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insightb/articles/eav102208a.shtml


Coles notes: Ahmadinejads been trying to sever himself and the government with the Clergy and the radical traditionalists and create a freindlier govt and hopes to build relations with the US through it, and its been getting him in trouble
its believed if he wins the election he'll have more power seperate from the religious wing and be able to make more decisions on his own

the article references moves he's made and probelms he's encountered through it etc

[choda]

^^ Coles notes? too late and too tired to read!

And for those comments earlier I read, I am Persian, not Iranian because I don't support or want to be associated with this bullshit of a country right now, my friends are Persian and we all have family all over. I don't speak for all Persian but we don't like the man that was elected, and we don't want his ass there. This rioting will hopefully not end until this president is over thrown. The situation was by far a million times better back in the day of the Shah, the only problem that you guys have is that his numbers were ACCURATE. You actually think the numbers you guys are given right now are even somewhat accurate??? PLEASE

[StylinRed]

supporter of the shah? so u supported preying off the poor


most of Mousavi supporters now are the young and upper middle class who are only looking out for what they want rather than whats good for the rest of the citizenry

Mousavi has support from the Bazaaris (exactly who the USA shouldn't want to support) that's also probably why Mousavi is pushing his crying because he's hoping to rally the young and the religious nutz that Ahmadinejad disenchanted from

there's no reason to believe that the results are false, other than the fact that Mousavi supporters are bitter, young and selfish

[Mananetwork]

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/iranelect_06_15/i04_19361589.jpg

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html

[Manic!]

supporter of the shah? so u supported preying off the poor


most of Mousavi supporters now are the young

60% of the population in Iran is under 30.

Question how do you hand count 40 million votes within 24 hours?

[StylinRed]

same way Canada does, and i think it was 20% of the vote counted the first day (including the day of the voting) and the rest of the votes by the next day (but there might be time issues and it ends up being the same day i dunno but thats really irrelevant)

and thanks for ignoring everything else that was posted after ur last msg

[Manic!]

same way Canada does, and i think it was 20% of the vote counted the first day (including the day of the voting) and the rest of the votes by the next day (but there might be time issues and it ends up being the same day i dunno but thats really irrelevant)

and thanks for ignoring everything else that was posted after ur last msg


Canada does not count by hand we use machines.

[choda]

same way Canada does, and i think it was 20% of the vote counted the first day (including the day of the voting) and the rest of the votes by the next day (but there might be time issues and it ends up being the same day i dunno but thats really irrelevant)

and thanks for ignoring everything else that was posted after ur last msg

Fail

[Harvey Specter]

NWS.....


http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs113.snc1/4833_93289218441_771528441_1873895_2463925_n.jpg
Onlookers observe the body of a man allegedly shot by pro-government militia near a rally supporting leading opposition presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi in Tehran, Iran, Monday, June 15, 2009. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi)

[StylinRed]

Sorry according to the Associated Press, most of the polling stations in the cities/urban areas had computers counting the votes

and its not clear and doubtful that computers were used in the rural areas, but the majority of people live in cities

A new computerized system might have helped speed the process in urban centers, where most Iranians live, though it is unclear if that system was extended to every small town and village.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iUyMnsTPIBzrzCJ48FGXyFzksezwD98RDEE80

the rest of the article doubts the speed only in speculation if they were all hand counted, but as noted they weren't, and it continues to say that its not impossible that the hand counted votes were completed in the time frame, its just doubted in a place like iran (which seems like demeaning iran for being backwater which they arent)


might be interesting to note these final paragraphs

Arshin Adib-Moghaddam, a professor of Middle East politics at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies, said a major rigging process would require the involvement of powerful advisory bodies, including those in which one of the other candidates and a key Mousavi backer are prominent figures.

"Given that Mohsen Rezaei, one of the other presidential candidates, is the head of the powerful Expediency Council, for instance, it is highly unlikely that he wouldn't have received any information of such a strategic plan to hijack the election," Adib-Moghaddam said.

[StylinRed]

:sleepy:

[choda]

^^ No, the votes were not counted with machines, the problem was that most of the votes were hand counted, and because of the large masses of people that were coming out, it would be impossible to count that many votes and get them in 3 hours after voting had ended! That's why there's something fishy

[StylinRed]

no the votes WERE counted by machine..... lol that's the whole point jesus (and they weren't counted 100% by 3hrs...)


and like the experts said it WOULD be possible to count those votes its just they find it Very Unlikely that Iran could do it.... (if it was by hand)


you can't just ignore the facts sigh....


anyway there's going to be a recount from the Guardian Council, who monitored the voting with the Expiediancy Council, both councils consisted of Mousavi supporters....



just face it dude the protesters are protesting because they're sore losers and are probably being supported by somebody in the background spurring them on; hoping to cause a disturbance to see if they can get something out of it.

either that or they've been mis-led (like not knowing the votes were counted by computers, or that Mousavi supporters are highly ranked and involved with the election but notice no fraud etc etc)

we'll see what the recount says and i only hope that they're not going to cry foul again and cause shit disturbances... which will only lead to turmoil and an Iran that isn't advancing




i guess i shouldn't have prodded for a reply and accepted the silence as defeat :P

[choda]

Dear StylinRed,

Please get your facts straight. I believe this article will help http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/15/iran.elections.qa/ The votes WERE hand counted. Thanks for your time.

Choda

[StylinRed]

cnn gets its news from a variety of sources, Associated Press says its counted by computers...i posted the link for you and quoted the text....


what you linked is a FAQ... with inaccurate info like there being no monitoring there was.. dont have time to own u more thoroughly again gotta head out :P

[choda]

cnn gets its news from a variety of sources, Associated Press says its counted by computers...i posted the link for you and quoted the text....


what you linked is a FAQ... with inaccurate info like there being no monitoring there was.. dont have time to own u more thoroughly again gotta head out :P

And google is spot on ! :thumbsup:

[StylinRed]

that wasnt google news... that was google posting a report from the Associated Press....

don't tell me you don't know who the Associated Press is?

here's a direct link to the associated press' press release since u don;t like google
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_FRAUD_ALLEGATIONS?SITE=CAVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

CNN is known for using outdated information and expressing it as current,
I highly doubt the Associated Press would be lying for Ahmadinejad and making such a claim that computers counted the votes... like the article says its a new system

Acclaimed professors and experts on Iran from Germany/Britian have stated that voter fraud is unlikely


Boston Herald also says there was computerized voting (they used the Associated Press' report although they threw it into the back of the story)
http://bh.heraldinteractive.com/news/international/middle_east/view.bg?articleid=1179179&format=&page=2&listingType=intmidd#articleFull

USA Today also used the Associated Press' report
http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=indystar&sParam=30977021.story



LA TIMES In Their Own Report have also confirmed Computer Vote Counting
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-elections28-2009may28,0,3190760.story

Officials are promising a free and fair election. This time, they're equipped with a computer vote-counting system meant to prevent cheating.

The govt has been encouraging people to vote this year and instituting features such as computer vote-counting and the media themselves have been encouraging ppl to get out and vote, hence the high turn out




Your Q&A CNN post.... is not a news report by CNN they are just quoting people they have spoken to about the situation the so called "experts" that they quoted say they believe Ahmadinejad had won the election, they doubt that he won in the numbers that he did..

1 person said voting was hand counted but he is neither a representative of CNN and he contradicts the views of the other people that CNN quoted from....

[StylinRed]

just to add to this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html

US Polling of iranians (in Iran), weeks before the election, showed a more than 2:1 favour of Ahmadinejad over Mousavi

(theres a whole other argument going on where mousavi supporters are saying that polling is inaccurate; but the poll isnt much of a concern to me it just adds a little to the whole)