[StylinRed]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The four cops involved in the death of Robert Dziekanski are challenging the authority of the Braidwood inquiry. They want to stop the inquiry from delivering a finding of misconduct against them.

Lawyers for the four officers are in BC Supreme Court today arguing Thomas Braidwood can not make findings saying the officers gave misleading and self-serving testimony misrepresenting what happened the day Dziekanski died in October 2007.

As well that they acted aggressively toward Dziekanski when they confronted him at Vancouver International Airport.

The lawyers are expected to argue a provincial inquiry does not have that kind of authority over federal police officers -- even though the RCMP is hired by the province and paid with BC taxpayers money.


http://news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090612_141050_6372



i guess this includes the officer who hit a guy and fled the scene (who's finally been charged)

[Noir]

here we go again

[StylinRed]

hehe oddly thats what i was thinking but decided on posting it nehow ;)

[El Bastardo]

It may not be just, but it is the law. I can see where they're coming from.

[trip]

burn down the houses of these fuckers

[Hondaracer]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke

[maxx]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke

if your daddy died being tazed by police and i said that to you, wouldn't you be a happy camper

[PavelGTR]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke

Fuck you. Have some respect you fucking asshole.

[iEatClams]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke


you're the fucking joke . . . . idiot!

[Hondaracer]

bleeding hearts hold everyone back.

[dna82]

bleeding hearts hold everyone back.

how is this a 'bleeding heart' situation?

4 cops did something very stupid and killed a man, they should be tried like any other civilian.

[GLOW]

i read in the metro last week that the officer leading the group responsible for the tazering is also charged with drunk driving killing a bystander. i was like wtf

[SumAznGuy]

if your daddy died being tazed by police and i said that to you, wouldn't you be a happy camper

If his daddy was having a fit and throwing shit around at any other airport, I don't think they would have reacted any differently.

In the end, it was unfortunate what happened but you have to remember in post 9-11 society, this type of actions will lead to severe consequences. It is as simple as that.

Safety for all the people at the airport > the life of one roudy person.

[CRS]

If his daddy was having a fit and throwing shit around at any other airport, I don't think they would have reacted any differently.

In the end, it was unfortunate what happened but you have to remember in post 9-11 society, this type of actions will lead to severe consequences. It is as simple as that.

Safety for all the people at the airport > the life of one roudy person.

:werd:

It wasn't only the cops that fucked up. There was a series of fuck ups that led to this happening.

The blame goes to a lot of different people: the police, the airport and the victim.

[Lude S]

In the end those cops fucked up, so fuck those cops.

[Hondaracer]

yea fuck cops, just like when somone gets pulled over for drunk driving because they were swerving all over the place "fuck the cops"

[1exotic]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke

Why fuck Dziekanski, he didn't really do anything... I'd be even more pissed if I was kept at the airport for 10 hours.

Cops are fucking pussies, Canada and the United States have the worst cops in the whole world, PERIOD.

[maxx]

agreed^^^


For your information: RCMP will undergo a major makeover in the next 10 years. Lots of policies will be restructured or scrapped all together.

[quasi]

Cops are fucking pussies, Canada and the United States have the worst cops in the whole world, PERIOD.

In the whole world? Worse then places where you can buy your way out of anything without going to court? Worse then places where cops will stop you and demand money or arrest you?

Saying there the worst in the world is a pretty bold statement, no?

[LeanNsupreme]

yea fuck cops, just like when somone gets pulled over for drunk driving because they were swerving all over the place "fuck the cops"
Listen to your stupid comparison, "good on the cops" and "fuck Dziekanski"? How about you elaborate further big man.

[Mr.HappySilp]

how is this a 'bleeding heart' situation?

4 cops did something very stupid and killed a man, they should be tried like any other civilian.

Agree but the government should not give the victim's family any sort of compensation.

The way I see it the victim's mom just wants money from our governemt. The officers did a mistake so they should pay for it not the government. So the victim's family should not receive a penny from our government(our tax dollar).

[Noir]

In the whole world? Worse then places where you can buy your way out of anything without going to court? Worse then places where cops will stop you and demand money or arrest you?

Saying there the worst in the world is a pretty bold statement, no?

Save your breath. You're talking to a guy who I bet is less than a quarter century old and whose worldly experience is limited to international resorts and tourist attractions under the protective umbrella of travelling with mommy & daddy.

Seriously, a lot of people have to be that damn sheltered to think our cops and our system has got to be the worst in the world, or comparable to.

[fliptuner]

The way I see it the victim's mom just wants money from our governemt. The officers did a mistake so they should pay for it not the government. So the victim's family should not receive a penny from our government(our tax dollar).
If you think the cops were wrong and they represent the RCMP, of course they should pay. Or are you thinking some other gov't agency would pay?

IMO the airport didn't have a proper system setup for non-English speaking travellers, the RCMP officers made a lot of mistakes and in the end, Dziekanski may have exacerbated the problem. His family should be adequately compensated for wrongful death.

The officers who used poor judgement should be dealt with accordingly. Anywhere from further training on the use of tasers and controlling the situation, to suspension/dismissal for those who lied in their original statements.

[StylinRed]

i read in the metro last week that the officer leading the group responsible for the tazering is also charged with drunk driving killing a bystander. i was like wtf

not only did he do that but he fled the scene didnt even get out to see if he could do anything, supposedly he left his drivers license and hightailed it

[PavelGTR]

Safety for all the people at the airport > the life of one roudy person.

Yes 1 unarmed person will endanger the entire airport. You're absolutely right. The next time someone screams at an airport lets just execute that person on the spot. :rolleyes:

[Noir]

Yes 1 unarmed person will endanger the entire airport.

Anyone with even iota of intelligence knows that an airport among other establishments are considered high security establishments. Financial Institutions, Parliamentary Buildings, high value museums to name a few.

Anyone with even the slightest common sense knows, there are some places where you just don't fuck around (no matter how pissed off you are). Unfortunately, common sense in not so common a commodity nowadays.

Why don't people try throwing a fit at Kim Jong Il's government building because you're pissed off. See if they greet you with anything less than a tazer. I mean, if our cops are the worst in the world, then whatever the North Korean's throw at you shouldn't be so bad.

[SumAznGuy]

Yes 1 unarmed person will endanger the entire airport. You're absolutely right. The next time someone screams at an airport lets just execute that person on the spot. :rolleyes:

Wow. You are so smart. How did I miss such a logical argument.

How do you know he was unarmed? I'm pretty sure everyone was pretty sure those terrorist on 9-11 were unarmed too.

Heck, what about that douch who had a bomb in his shoe post 9-11. In the end, I know better than to go to an airport and say things like "Hi" and "Jack" in sucession, and i wonder why.

I'll never walk into a bank and pretend to have a gun in my pocket.

There is always a time and place for everything, but having a temper tantrum at an airport is not.
For pete's sake, after 30 minutes, I would go ask someone to help me find out where I should be going, but alas I guess me missed the lineup when they were handing out brains and common sense.

[kumbo1]

good on them, fuck Dziekanski and fuck this whole stupid inquiry, what a fucking joke

I hope you get your ass tazered to death. Dipshit.

[LeanNsupreme]

Yes 1 unarmed person will endanger the entire airport. You're absolutely right. The next time someone screams at an airport lets just execute that person on the spot. :rolleyes:
Good point, wow some people are just so stupidly ignorant.

[m4k4v4li]

why are people even trying to defend the cops here

they could have handled the situation better than storming in 10 on 1 and tase him no questions asked

that is a fucking fact and end of discussion, if you think they couldn't have handled it any better than ur a fucking idiot

[CRS]

why are people even trying to defend the cops here

they could have handled the situation better than storming in 10 on 1 and tase him no questions asked

that is a fucking fact and end of discussion, if you think they couldn't have handled it any better than ur a fucking idiot

They could have handled it better but that is not what happened.

Anyone that thinks that the cops "[stormed] in 10 on 1 and [tazed] him no questions asked" is a fucking idiot.

[Drift_Monkey]

VANCOUVER - The B.C. Supreme Court has upheld the right of a public inquiry to find four Mounties were guilty of misconduct in the Taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski.


Justice Arne Silverman said Monday the provincially ordered inquiry could hold the officers accountable even though they worked for a federal agency.


The officers had asked the court to prohibit commissioner Thomas Braidwood from making findings they said were tantamount to criminal charges of assault, obstruction of justice and perjury.


But Silverman said the Public Inquiry Act envisioned a commissioner drawing such conclusions and what mattered was procedural fairness.


He said the commission had acted not only reasonably but legally correct in dealing with the officers.

The justice rejected the officers' claim that Braidwood was treading on federal jurisdiction for the criminal law and the RCMP.


"In my view the petitioners (the Mounties) are wrong," he concluded.

Justice Silverman said the conduct of the four Mounties was vital to the inquiry's mandate to investigate the circumstances surrounding Dziekanski's death.


Braidwood plans to hear final arguments Friday and to begin writing his report by month's end on the tragedy involving the 40-year-old Polish immigrant.

[Great68]

If those officers believed they did the right thing and acted appropriately for the situation, then they should be confident that there won't be any rulings of misconduct...

So then why were they pulling this latest stunt?

Because they KNOW they fucked up. Plain and simple.

Way to go Supreme Court.

[Noir]

If those officers believed they did the right thing and acted appropriately for the situation, then they should be confident that there won't be any rulings of misconduct.

Not when public opinion has already been long since determined; And moreover "that" public opinion is often skewered by many factors.

This inquiry really is more of another effort to dig and dig until one finally gets to hit something, rather than being objective.

[PavelGTR]

Anyone with even iota of intelligence knows that an airport among other establishments are considered high security establishments. Financial Institutions, Parliamentary Buildings, high value museums to name a few.

Anyone with even the slightest common sense knows, there are some places where you just don't fuck around (no matter how pissed off you are). Unfortunately, common sense in not so common a commodity nowadays.

Why don't people try throwing a fit at Kim Jong Il's government building because you're pissed off. See if they greet you with anything less than a tazer. I mean, if our cops are the worst in the world, then whatever the North Korean's throw at you shouldn't be so bad.

We all know he freaked out, but is that enough reason to kill someone?

[CRS]

We all know he freaked out, but is that enough reason to kill someone?

Ok, lets get something straight.

The cops did not intend to fucking kill him. That is why they used a TAZER instead of pulling out their sidearm and popping a few shots off at him. They used a TAZER to retrain him and as a mean of non-lethal force.

The tazer although useful does not always act as a non-lethal force due to many variables. It is unfortunate that in this case, multiple of factors pushed the victim to die from the tazer. It could have been heart issues, the stress on the heart and a malfunction in tazer itself.

But don't go off saying the cops rushed in there like rambo and just blew the fucking brains out of Dziekanski because that was NOT the case.

[Great68]

Ok, lets get something straight.

The cops did not intend to fucking kill him. That is why they used a TAZER instead of pulling out their sidearm and popping a few shots off at him. They used a TAZER to retrain him and as a mean of non-lethal force.

The tazer although useful does not always act as a non-lethal force due to many variables. It is unfortunate that in this case, multiple of factors pushed the victim to die from the tazer. It could have been heart issues, the stress on the heart and a malfunction in tazer itself.

But don't go off saying the cops rushed in there like rambo and just blew the fucking brains out of Dziekanski because that was NOT the case.


Tazers are not non-lethal. They are simply LESS lethal.

What's worse is that that outcome can be completely unpredictable.

Say someone DOES have a heart condition. Why should it just be shitty luck for them if they die because they had a heart condition and they got tazed?

[Mr.HappySilp]

I say since the victim's mom only wanted justice. We should take this to court and have a fair trail but the victim's mom won't be getting any sort of compensation (as in no money will be awarded). I bet you 100% she won't be taking this to court. All she wanted is the money.

[CRS]

Tazers are not non-lethal. They are simply LESS lethal.

What's worse is that that outcome can be completely unpredictable.

Say someone DOES have a heart condition. Why should it just be shitty luck for them if they die because they had a heart condition and they got tazed?

Would you rather be shot by a beretta or a glock?

Tazers were designed to stun and not to kill. It is still a better alternative to actual firearm to subdue a suspect.

[Great68]

I bet you 100% she won't be taking this to court. All she wanted is the money.

How the hell can anyone come to THAT conclusion?

If MY family member was unjustly killed by the RCMPosse I'd sure as hell make sure they got any disciplinary action coming to them. No amount of money can replace a loved one.

[Great68]

Would you rather be shot by a beretta or a glock?

Tazers were designed to stun and not to kill. It is still a better alternative to actual firearm to subdue a suspect.


The issue here is that they are proving themselves to NOT be better than the alternative, due to their unpredictive nature.

I'd rather be shot in the leg or arm and know that it's going to hurt but it'll probably heal, than get tazed and not know if I'm going to have a heart attack and die or not.

Tazers are like a lottery, except that you only win when you loose.

Skycops use tasers, and have used them on people for simple fare evasion. Should those fare evaders have to be put to the risk of loosing their life just because they didn't pay $3.00?

[CRS]

The issue here is that they are proving themselves to NOT be better than the alternative, due to their unpredictive nature.

I'd rather be shot in the leg or arm and know that it's going to hurt but it'll probably heal, than get tazed and not know if I'm going to have a heart attack and die or not.

Tazers are like a lottery, except that you only win when you loose.

Skycops use tasers, and have used them on people for simple fare evasion. Should those fare evaders have to be put to the risk of loosing their life just because they didn't pay $3.00?

You can't be serious. Do you know how I know that you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about? Because ANYONE who is trained to use side arms are trained to aim for the chest of the target.

The same goes with the tazer and side arm. The chest is the largest target and when hit will TAKE DOWN the target. It will neutralize the threat immediately.

Taking out your side arm and aim for the leg/arm is just fucking stupid. No one in their right mind or training would do this. If you have the chest exposed, that is what you are aiming for. Why aim at a limb that is constantly moving and shifting (not to mention extremely smaller), the chances of missing and having the bullet deflect and hit something else is HUGE.

Could you imagine the press the cops would get if that shit happened? Yeah, I'd rather get shot and heal from it. You clearly have never had to study how bullets work nor had any biology class. The bullet as it enters your body will rip and tare the shit of anything it comes in contact with. As it passes, it will burn the muscle as well. If it hits a major vein or artery, you're dead too. If it hits a bone, it explodes and acts as shrapnel that fucks more things up.

So, would you like to rethink your position?

[Great68]

Maybe if they use it once.

Maybe twice.

But getting tazed FIVE FUCKING TIMES (even after he was ALREADY ON THE GROUND) like Dziekanski is lethal force to me.

[CRS]

Maybe if they use it once.

Maybe twice.

But getting tazed FIVE FUCKING TIMES (even after he was ALREADY ON THE GROUND) like Dziekanski is lethal force to me.

Up to 5 times.

But I'm so glad you made a rebuttal about your "I'd rather got shot" stance. Because that proved to be oh so clever.

Let's face the truth. The cops did not come into the situation thinking "hey, wouldn't it be funny if we killed this mofo?" Did the cops fuck up? Hell yes they did. But Dziekanski fucked up too. Hell, YVR fucked up. The blame shouldn't go solely on the RCMP. The blame should be placed all around.

[Sid Vicious]

It just seems stupid that they had to resort to tasering him in the first place. From watching the video it didnt look like he was going to attack the officers or anything, i really dont see how 5 trained police officers couldnt just tackle him, restrain him and cuff him

[Great68]

It just seems stupid that they had to resort to tasering him in the first place. From watching the video it didnt look like he was going to attack the officers or anything, i really dont see how 5 trained police officers couldnt just tackle him, restrain him and cuff him

BING-FUCKING-O

You, me, and a lot of the general public think the EXACT same thing. It's pretty much the basis for this whole inquiry.

Video doesn't lie.

I feel bad for all the good cops that have to suffer the outfall of all this. There are some cops out there that think with their brains first and not with their egos or authority moustaches.

[SumAznGuy]

BING-FUCKING-O

You, me, and a lot of the general public think the EXACT same thing. It's pretty much the basis for this whole inquiry.

Video doesn't lie.

Video doesn't like, but it doesn't tell the absolute truth.

At no point in time is 5 officers charging at the guy and tacking him a good idea. What if in the struggle, one of the officer's gun's go off? What if the gun was snatched by the guy being tackled?

If you have taken any security type course, or police training, they will teach you that that is a bad idea.

Not to mention, the guy was upset before the police arrived. If they police tried to restrain him by attacking him, do you think the guy would curl up into a ball to be arrested or would he fight back? How do you know the guy was unarmed? What if he had a knife or a metal stapler?

[Great68]

How do you know the guy was unarmed? What if he had a knife

They have these things you have to go through before you get on a plane, they're called security checks and they have these things called metal detectors...

[impactX]

I went to Singapore 2 weeks ago, when I was waiting at the customs hall at the Singapore Airport, a customs officer fucked up and opened a lane when not supposed to. People (visitors) including me rushed to that lane just to have the officer closed that lane again. Was I pissed? Hell yea.

The people, including me, then pondered for a while and went back to their previous lanes because they were smart enough to not do anything stupid in an airport like acting uncooperative, throwing stuff (computers) around, wielding a stolen stapler and resisting arrest.

And I am pretty sure that all my loved ones are smart enough not to do anything stupid when confronted by authorities in airports regardless of location and language barrier.

[Sid Vicious]

Video doesn't like, but it doesn't tell the absolute truth.

At no point in time is 5 officers charging at the guy and tacking him a good idea. What if in the struggle, one of the officer's gun's go off? What if the gun was snatched by the guy being tackled?

If you have taken any security type course, or police training, they will teach you that that is a bad idea.

Not to mention, the guy was upset before the police arrived. If they police tried to restrain him by attacking him, do you think the guy would curl up into a ball to be arrested or would he fight back? How do you know the guy was unarmed? What if he had a knife or a metal stapler?

I dunno bout you but ive watched cops...and they always restrain a victim by tackling him.

The gun cannot go off because there is a safety, and when 5 officers are taking down 1 person, i don't think hed have a chance to unbutton the holster then pull the gun out.

[CRS]

Video doesn't like, but it doesn't tell the absolute truth.

At no point in time is 5 officers charging at the guy and tacking him a good idea. What if in the struggle, one of the officer's gun's go off? What if the gun was snatched by the guy being tackled?

If you have taken any security type course, or police training, they will teach you that that is a bad idea.

Not to mention, the guy was upset before the police arrived. If they police tried to restrain him by attacking him, do you think the guy would curl up into a ball to be arrested or would he fight back? How do you know the guy was unarmed? What if he had a knife or a metal stapler?

Not to mention that when you get into a physical altercation, if someone falls awkwardly and breaks their neck, it is pretty much GG.

Would you want that to happen? How would the media and all you guys react then? "Why didn't they use non-lethal force like a tazer?" fucking hypocrites.

They have these things you have to go through before you get on a plane, they're called security checks and they have these things called metal detectors...

Yeah, because no one makes mistakes. Because those guys at the security checks are so well trained and paid so much that they actually pay full attention to what they are doing on a daily basis.

I dunno bout you but ive watched cops...and they always restrain a victim by tackling him.

Not to mention your other point is moot. The gun cannot go off because their is a safety, and when 5 officers are taking down 1 person, i don't think hed have a chance to unbutton the holster then pull the gun down.

Yeah, watching "cops" is really how to obtain an accurate and clear idea of what cops do. Because you know, that stuff isn't selected and edited at all. Not to mention the show is an american portrayal of police and not a canadian one.

Guns have gone off with the safety on before. Though the circumstances and situation for that to happen is rare, it is possible. Like a tazer killing someone something that can happen but isn't designed to. It is actually relatively easy to take a gun out of the holster when you have 5 targets to get it from.

[Great68]

Yeah, because no one makes mistakes. Because those guys at the security checks are so well trained and paid so much that they actually pay full attention to what they are doing on a daily basis.


Yeah because someone who plans to smuggle a knife onboard a plane is planning to use it 12 hours AFTER they get off.

They'd probably have to be the world's worst terrorists.

[CRS]

Yeah because someone who plans to smuggle a knife onboard a plane is planning to use it 12 hours AFTER they get off.

They'd probably have to be the world's worst terrorists.

Yeah, because you know, the cops really had ALL THE INFO RIGHT FUCKING THERE AT THAT MOMENT.

Do you have any intelligent statements to make or are you just posting for the sake of it?

And FFS, AT THE VERY LEAST have a rebuttal for your "I'd rather get shot" statement.

[Great68]

Kiss my rebuttal.

[CRS]

Kiss my rebuttal.

I accept your apology.

[SumAznGuy]

Not to mention that when you get into a physical altercation, if someone falls awkwardly and breaks their neck, it is pretty much GG.

Would you want that to happen? How would the media and all you guys react then? "Why didn't they use non-lethal force like a tazer?" fucking hypocrites.

Quoted for truth. :thumbsup:

[Noir]

I went to Singapore 2 weeks ago, when I was waiting at the customs hall at the Singapore Airport, a customs officer fucked up and opened a lane when not supposed to. People (visitors) including me rushed to that lane just to have the officer closed that lane again. Was I pissed? Hell yea.

The people, including me, then pondered for a while and went back to their previous lanes because they were smart enough to not do anything stupid in an airport like acting uncooperative, throwing stuff (computers) around, wielding a stolen stapler and resisting arrest.

And I am pretty sure that all my loved ones are smart enough not to do anything stupid when confronted by authorities in airports regardless of location and language barrier.

Bingo

[Mr.HappySilp]

How the hell can anyone come to THAT conclusion?

If MY family member was unjustly killed by the RCMPosse I'd sure as hell make sure they got any disciplinary action coming to them. No amount of money can replace a loved one.

Sure we all l want justice if our love ones are kill. However from looking at the whole story the mom mostly wanted money. Again no money should be awarded if she only wanted true justce to be serve. Like you said the RCMP fuck up so those cops should get what they deverse.

[Harvey Specter]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090616/video/vuk-police-watchdog-to-investigate-taser-49bfa63.html

[StylinRed]

Sure we all l want justice if our love ones are kill. However from looking at the whole story the mom mostly wanted money. Again no money should be awarded if she only wanted true justce to be serve. Like you said the RCMP fuck up so those cops should get what they deverse.

the mom only wanted money?! wtf are you talking about... were you watching the same series of events everyone elsee did? oO

[Drift_Monkey]

so what happened to the cop that also killed another motorist
while he was drunk driving?

That should get some good attention as well since Jimmy Ng's death rattled the public.

[CRS]

Tee hee

[Great68]

Tee hee

Tee Hee Indeed.

Ass raping email disclosure FTW.

[CRS]

Tee Hee Indeed.

Ass raping email disclosure FTW.

:haha:

I love how you revive this thread for that reason. Somehow, I knew you would. I am very glad you did though.

Please, tell me how ANY of my points are no longer valid still. It will give me the opportunity to do some "ass raping FTW" style arguments.

Even if they discussed the use of tazers prior to the incident, it STILL does not mean the cops meant to kill him. So, please, explain to me how being shot is a better alternative to being tazed? I'm still waiting.

And to quote directly from the article, "Finally spoke to Wayne and he indicated that the members did not articulate that they saw the symptoms of excited delirium, but instead had discussed the response en route and decided that he did not comply that they would go to CEW."

If you are fucking stupid enough to throw a hissy fit in an AIRPORT and don't fucking do what the cops tell you to, you're up for the darwin awards. Yes, there were no translators but if you see 4 police officers coming towards you, what do you do? Throw more hissy fits and struggle? Yeah, give them a reason.

So I bring up the point yet again, what would have been a better alternative? Physical force and possibly getting more people injured/killed or being shot?

Oh that's right. If I am Great68, I would rather be shot.

[ecchiecchi]

:haha:

I love how you revive this thread for that reason. Somehow, I knew you would. I am very glad you did though.

Please, tell me how ANY of my points are no longer valid still. It will give me the opportunity to do some "ass raping FTW" style arguments.

Even if they discussed the use of tazers prior to the incident, it STILL does not mean the cops meant to kill him. So, please, explain to me how being shot is a better alternative to being tazed? I'm still waiting.

IMO the issues is not so much that the person was tased. It's pretty obvious that people will prefer the use of non-lethal force.

The bigger issue is that they tased him 4 times. What's the RCMP's protocol for tasing? Keep shooting until you're satisfied?

And the fact that they planned it before hand means they did not want to assess the situation, rather, they just wanted to subdue the guy and GTFO.

Now is this how we want the law enforcement to treat everyone?

What if a person happened to be working on his yard (using a rake) and a pissy neighbour called that person in wrongfully. Is it justified that the police just come and start shooting tasers because they see the guy holding a rake ? (which could be used as a weapon) What are you guys gonna say? He shouldn't have been dumb enough to be holding a rake?

To the people arguing the use of tasers- you guys are being stupid. It is the better choice when trying to disarm someone. I'd rather be tased that be beaten by batons or shot. Being tased has a low chance of incurring injuries after the confrontation. However, the excessive use of taser is not acceptable. It's like beating someone, it's not lethal if it's a punch or two, but if you continuously beat on someone, they will eventually die. Just because a taser is considered as non-lethal doesn't mean they should abuse it. Doesn't matter if they meant to kill or not, point is they abused a power that they were entrusted with.

[CRS]

IMO the issues is not so much that the person was tased. It's pretty obvious that people will prefer the use of non-lethal force.

The bigger issue is that they tased him 4 times. What's the RCMP's protocol for tasing? Keep shooting until you're satisfied?

And the fact that they planned it before hand means they did not want to assess the situation, rather, they just wanted to subdue the guy and GTFO.

Now is this how we want the law enforcement to treat everyone?

What if a person happened to be working on his yard (using a rake) and a pissy neighbour called that person in wrongfully. Is it justified that the police just come and start shooting tasers because they see the guy holding a rake ? (which could be used as a weapon) What are you guys gonna say? He shouldn't have been dumb enough to be holding a rake?

To the people arguing the use of tasers- you guys are being stupid. It is the better choice when trying to disarm someone. I'd rather be tased that be beaten by batons or shot. Being tased has a low chance of incurring injuries after the confrontation. However, the excessive use of taser is not acceptable. It's like beating someone, it's not lethal if it's a punch or two, but if you continuously beat on someone, they will eventually die. Just because a taser is considered as non-lethal doesn't mean they should abuse it. Doesn't matter if they meant to kill or not, point is they abused a power that they were entrusted with.

1. Not if you're Grea68. He prefers to be shot.
2. Completely right. Cops fucked up right here and hugely too. But Dziekanski didn't make it any easier by continuing to struggle and by giving the cops a hard time.
3. No, they planned to use the tazer if the suspect did not comply. This is one of those situations that need to be handled ASAP. An airport is not a good place to incite panic. If you see someone going crazy and throwing a fit, you need to neutralize that immediately.
4. Terrible example. This situation is nothing like the one mentioned. The use of tazers or anything like that would not even be a possibility unless the person with the rake was waving and swingingly it at police.
5. Agreed. Well said.

[Great68]

:lol:lol:lol

[azzurro32]

If cops tased him and he lived, they woulda got a nice pat on the back and this whole mess obviously wouldn't have happened. However since he died they are getting the blame.

But the blame should be on him for being an idiot in an airport of all places.

[Hondaracer]

^ if no one had videotaped it and he still died they probably would have got a pat on the back.

[rslater]

^ if no one had videotaped it and he still died they probably would have got a pat on the back.

+1

And this is what kinda of irks me about CRS posts. While I see your stance and your support for the police, its the fact that if their was no videotape ALL THESE inconsistency's with the case, all the lies, all the scandals would not have come to life if it weren't of the video. It irks me because we all know these situations are happening more often than we know, and they are not getting publicized. The cops have no right to be above the legal law, and yet this whole debacle has displayed the rcmp's stance on protecting its officers over owning up to its faults.

[chouchou]

Hmm.. I understand the reasoning behind the initial tazing (what an idiot Dziekanski was being inside an airport where security is at its highest). But don't the RCMP have protocols in place for people who resist arrest even after the first, or maybe second tazing?

Do they not understand that continued tazing, as stated before, can turn lethal very quickly if used continuously. They have no medical history of the subject (at least i didn't think so?) so what if they have some sort of condition which makes them susceptible to certain events due to electrical currents? (which obviously happened in this case..)

I'm confused as to why they couldn't come up with a alternative to arrest Dziekanski. After one or two tazings they must be affected somehow and weakened to a point where physical harm can arrest the person, am I wrong? And I guess that may be the whole point behind the controversy?

[CRS]

:lol:lol:lol

I accept your apology.

Again.

[Noir]

Do they not understand that continued tazing, as stated before, can turn lethal very quickly if used continuously. They have no medical history of the subject (at least i didn't think so?) so what if they have some sort of condition which makes them susceptible to certain events due to electrical currents? (which obviously happened in this case..)

Restoring order ASAP in an airport is for the benefit of the masses, not the individual (Dziekanski). The police opted for the tazer as they are less lethal than other law enforcing equipment, but by less actually means, there is that small margin of error and Dziekanski fell in that.

There will always be margins of error but that doesn't mean you keep handicapping your law enforcers to eliminate the margins of error. Despite popular belief, not all police officers are corrupt, power hungry, authoritarians that is usually depicted on the media.

Dziekanski was just a bad accident. An accident he brought to himself. An accident that will never occur again as most people aren't that dumb.

[Great68]

I accept your apology.

Again.

Awe aren't you a sweetie pie.

[SumAznGuy]

Dziekanski was just a bad accident. An accident he brought to himself. An accident that will never occur again as most people aren't that dumb.

We can only hope.

But based on what I read here, I think great68 might be one of the exceptions since he wants to get shot in the leg.

If anyone has any doubts to what CRS said about getting shot.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1998/11/28/rcmpbc981128.html

[CRS]

Awe aren't you a sweetie pie.

With a cherry on top.

[LeanNsupreme]

Great68 and CRS are both displaying homosexual affection towards eachother, how cute.