[ecsw]

I am being childish today, but it's fun sometimes to get into debates like this.

I had a discussion in another forum where a guy owns a 07 V6 Camry argues his 0-100km/h is under 6 seconds and therefore is better/sportier than RX8 because it does like 0.5 second slower.

So basically he is saying his Camry V6 > RX8 in every way.

Anyone know a fast stock 0-100 under 6s but shittier/cheaper than V6 Camry? :D

thanks for your help. :)

[Lomac]

Fox body Mustang? 3g Camaro?

[WHEYsted]

Nissan BNR32? It's cheaper I think. But wayyyyyyyyy sexier.

[maxx]

tell him that you gramma can drive 0-60.

but when the first corner comes, tell him to jump out of the moving camry. he'll be safer that way.

[ecsw]

something uglier than Camry?

[ecsw]

tell him that you gramma can drive 0-60.

but when the first corner comes, tell him to jump out of the moving camry. he'll be safer that way.

lol. that's what some ppl said, but he said for daily driving, 0-60 is more important. :rolleyes:

[ecsw]

Here's the thread. :) It's getting funnier and funnier. :)

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=737187&page=13

[penner2k]

something with 2 wheels

[ecsw]

^ need 4 wheels. ppl talked about bikes in that thread.

[too_slow]

Brand New?

Mazda 6 V6
Accord V6
Altima V6
Cobalt SS Turbo Sedan


Somewhat used:

STI (2004-2005)
E46 330i ZHP Sedan


but yeah, that guy's a tool.. In the end, he's driving a CAMRY..

[ecsw]

Brand New?

Mazda 6 V6
Accord V6
Altima V6
Cobalt SS Turbo Sedan

but yeah, that guy's a tool.. In the end, he's driving a CAMRY..

lol. But imo, they all looks nicer than Camry....

[ilvtofu]

go buy a used wrx and chip it, bound to go fast for all weather
but yeah Like Lomac said, older american V8s go fast for cheap (good bet)

but wtf, 0-60 acceleration doesn't mean a car is sporty, challenge him to slalom wif you in that FWD 3500 lb boat!

[ecsw]

but wtf, 0-60 acceleration doesn't mean a car is sporty, challenge him to slalom wif you in that FWD 3500 lb boat!

Here is what he said....


If you read the numbers the Camry SE acceleration/skidpad/roadholding/braking numbers are comparable to a WRX dispite its fuel, weight, tire, and drivetrain disadvantage. Say what you want, the Camry SE is a capable car whether you realize it or not.



Ok ok... What other numbers would you like to compare?? I used all the numbers a sports car should be measured by... acceleration, braking, skidpad/roadholding... Did you want to compare gas mileage, fuel type, front/rear legroom, trunk space, reliability, parts/labor costs, insurance, quietness, comfort, resale value... You start to see what a balanced car really means.

Anyways another thing I should point out is I'm not trying to convince all you guys to go out and buy a Camry SE V6, I actually want to be the only car enthusiast driving one. As odd as it might sound, I like that I found such a sporty car where no one else would look. Yes I'm calling it sporty, eat my shorts.

[!Aznboi128]

a turbo k24 CR-V
more usable, cheap cause its older....

[ecsw]

a turbo k24 CR-V
more usable, cheap cause its older....

K24 CRV turbo? ppl starting to put turbo in CRV now? wow....
what's the 0-60 on it?

[BEEB]

No doubt that the camry V6 is powerful throughout the power band, I personally like to drive it alot. But it just suck that it's a 4 door family sedan, not quite Lexus-like, yet better than a Corolla. i don't mind driving one when i'm 50 years old, but at that age, I should've reached my mid-life crisis and drive a Porsche. So, add 2 more decade to the math, and I'll be buying one when i'm 70. By then, I'll eat WRX with the camry V6.

Seriously, Camry V6 > lots of cars... WRX? MB C230? BMW 320i? Volvo S40? Impala? .... so what's the point?

[q0192837465]

they need to make a sport version of the Solara. Best of both worlds

[BNR32_Coupe]

http://img165.imageshack.us/i/smallp1010004mi6.jpg/
0-100kmph in 5.2seconds if you launch it hard. it has attessa training wheels, basically, you can hold down the gas pedal and the more you turn, the more it slows down, so you won't spin out into a ditch. trust me, im a nissan guru, i got years of technical experience and training, i learned stick from a pro and im an ex-drifter champion, i know who i am

[ilvtofu]

Seriously he thinks his Camry V6 Se is sportier than a WRX?
-automatic
-Soft suspension
-seats that don't hold you as well
-FWD<AWD any day
-NO TURBO!!!

the weight difference isn't even that big only about 200-300 lbs, so put 1 or 2 guys in the back of the WRX and race him?

[unit]

i hate reading threads like this... the argument is so damn pointless it makes my head hurt

[ecsw]

i hate reading threads like this... the argument is so damn pointless it makes my head hurt

what else do you want to do on Friday? :p

[you]

hyundai pony

[TOPEC]

u know what i realize, his so called "3000GT" is just a "dodge stealth" (NA version of 3000GT sold as a dodge)
he only did a bumper conversion, notice how in his pics, its all front end shots?
and take a look at the rear wing, a real 3000GT has a wing as wide as the body fenders, where as his is hidden behind the rear windows. and i dont think real 3000GTs r available to be imported yet.
go google pics of 3000GT and comapre it to the dodge stealth and u'll see what i'm talking about the wing.

so i guess u can call him out on that.

and this is his cardomin page
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2585509

[ecsw]

u know what i realize, his so called "3000GT" is just a "dodge stealth" (NA version of 3000GT sold as a dodge)
he only did a bumper conversion, notice how in his pics, its all front end shots?
and take a look at the rear wing, a real 3000GT has a wing as wide as the body fenders, where as his is hidden behind the rear windows. and i dont think real 3000GTs r available to be imported yet.
go google pics of 3000GT and comapre it to the dodge stealth and u'll see what i'm talking about the wing.

so i guess u can call him out on that.

and this is his cardomin page
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2585509


He has a picture showing the tail.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3166479

lol. I think you are right. But I am don't know much about 3000GT/Dodge Stealth.....

[SumAznGuy]

He has a picture showing the tail.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3166479

lol. I think you are right. But I am don't know much about 3000GT/Dodge Stealth.....

http://3img.internetautoguide.com/p/004D160C35BA804CEF63889F8969701F2D50A552A130DC8741 AA3F42064100F2E5AB6F8DA66E4EB9C2542A2B962BE659D510 64005C94B8BC8BDAB2F6F7E8FFC0D4FB01AA851A8C64EA6A56 25455EC75642E4AA0F28B4C7519EF0A927026CD0922956427C 4503F8E70CD88502E11049BBCB90AB90AE8F7D6003E4EB00E9 66165CEB0FAB1B92655B5C213694+w568/image.jpg

You are correct sir.

[ecsw]

But how about the side vent behind the door? Dodge Stealth doesn't seem to have those? Or did they?

[!Tigger]

Uhh..... Audi S4...

[TOPEC]

But how about the side vent behind the door? Dodge Stealth doesn't seem to have those? Or did they?

the dodge stealth doesnt have vents, its as simple as slapping on body panels from the real JDM cars to make the NA version look like JDM ones. for example the talon/eclipse, the USDM type r vs JDM type R.

plus i dont think a real 3000GT can be imported yet? his is 1995, so to be able to import, it'll have to be year 2010.

[JackyJai]

the dodge stealth doesnt have vents, its as simple as slapping on body panels from the real JDM cars to make the NA version look like JDM ones. for example the talon/eclipse, the USDM type r vs JDM type R.

plus i dont think a real 3000GT can be imported yet? his is 1995, so to be able to import, it'll have to be year 2010.

THere are 3000GT in America. It was sold as Dodge stealth because there were no Mitsubishi dealerships in Canada back in the days.
A real USDM 3000GT can be imported all along.
There are quite a few 3000GT running around for years.
It looks exactly like a 3000GT except the Stealth wing.

[orange7]

wrx is more fun to drive than a v6 camry. You friend needs to sit another car other than his camry

[elkayem]

K24 CRV turbo? ppl starting to put turbo in CRV now? wow....
what's the 0-60 on it?

a turbo k24 CR-V
more usable, cheap cause its older....

Maybe he meant CRX? Hahha

[ecsw]

wrx is more fun to drive than a v6 camry. You friend needs to sit another car other than his camry

He is definitely not my friend. he called out RX-8 as fugly and his V6 Camry as beautiful "sports" car because he's Camry can do 0-60 faster than rx8 and WRX.

When ppl question him if he even knows what a sports car means more than just 0-60 time and doubt that he ever drove a sports car, he replied he has a 3000GT.

[orange7]

gtr's 0-60 is faster than some super exotic cars, but that doesn't make it better than them.

[some_punk]

stay away from 3000gt/stealths. Seen them come in all the time for slave cylinders.

[Timpo]

get a motorbike?

[Harvey Specter]

2005 300C's, Magnum and Charger R/T's are now going for under $20,000. A few minor mod's and you can have them going under 6.

[TOPEC]

a turbo k24 CR-V
more usable, cheap cause its older....

K24 CRV turbo? ppl starting to put turbo in CRV now? wow....
what's the 0-60 on it?

Maybe he meant CRX? Hahha

little did u know, in taiwan, they actually make turbo kits for the CR-V, and everyone buys them for the heck of them.

THere are 3000GT in America. It was sold as Dodge stealth because there were no Mitsubishi dealerships in Canada back in the days.
A real USDM 3000GT can be imported all along.
There are quite a few 3000GT running around for years.
It looks exactly like a 3000GT except the Stealth wing.

ok i may be wrong not being able to import them, but from the posts that guy makes, he seems like the ignorant type that doesnt back down when proven wrong, and also, he seems like the type that slaps on some crap parts and thinks his car is now god, thats y i believe his car is a dodge stealth with 3000GT body panels, and not an actual 3000GT.

[Timpo]

i might be wrong, but i dont think the v6 camry can go 0-60mph in under 6 seconds

[orange7]

just don't argue back with your friend.

arguing with dumb ppl only makes you look just as dumb!

honestly... if 0-60mph is the only thing that ppl look at, then the GTR dominates ~95% of all canadian cars.

i've only been in a rx-8 once for like maybe 15mins, so I can't really comment on which car is better. But I do believe rx-8 is better than the v6 camry, this is because it's rwd, and handles nicely around corners. IMO

sry.. no actual statistic to back my facts up

[Johnrb]

when his camry is faster than a msp3/cobaltss/srt-4/focus rs (if we had them) around a racetrack then I'll be impressed

[ecsw]

i might be wrong, but i dont think the v6 camry can go 0-60mph in under 6 seconds

read his car domain page. He posted 07 Camry V6 goes 5.8 seconds.

he posted as


The reasons I bought this car.

-As fast as a 350Z from 0-60

[ecsw]

just don't argue back with your friend.

arguing with dumb ppl only makes you look just as dumb!

honestly... if 0-60mph is the only thing that ppl look at, then the GTR dominates ~95% of all canadian cars.

i've only been in a rx-8 once for like maybe 15mins, so I can't really comment on which car is better. But I do believe rx-8 is better than the v6 camry, this is because it's rwd, and handles nicely around corners. IMO

sry.. no actual statistic to back my facts up

Again, He is NOT my friend. :p

But you are right. Shouldn't argue with dumb ppl like that.

The problem is, I test drove a Camry and ES350. They are perfect comfortable family cars that I give it to him. But he keeps on telling how superior his Camry is in every way especially 0-60 under 6 seconds ignoring all other facts is just annoying.

I started the thread because ppl here are all into cars. A lot of you are much better than me in words or can come up with good points to reply his ignorance. That's why I was calling for help. :)

[JackyJai]

ok i may be wrong not being able to import them, but from the posts that guy makes, he seems like the ignorant type that doesnt back down when proven wrong, and also, he seems like the type that slaps on some crap parts and thinks his car is now god, thats y i believe his car is a dodge stealth with 3000GT body panels, and not an actual 3000GT.

It's really hard to tell if its a 3000GT or Dodge Stealth.
But either way his car is NOT the twin turbo which is nothing worth mentioning.
With 222hp, FWD and that heavy ass body his car is a pig. It's slow as f@ck.

[ilvtofu]

The only way to settle this is Pinks All Out

[ilvtofu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAIuC-LPEDI

"camry outclassed from the beginning... most obvious in the slalom"
"soft ride and numb steering"
"6.6 secs" "1/4 mile 14.9 secs"

Edmund's 350z times
"6.0 secs" "1/4 mile 14.6 secs"
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=101039/pageId=57428

[DC5-S]

my type-s does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds but thats with mods.. why not get a skyline or mustang or something if u want cheap fast car

[ilvtofu]

Skylines ain't fast stock and cheap (under 6k) but mustangs can prolly do that.

[ecsw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAIuC-LPEDI

"camry outclassed from the beginning... most obvious in the slalom"
"soft ride and numb steering"
"6.6 secs" "1/4 mile 14.9 secs"

Edmund's 350z times
"6.0 secs" "1/4 mile 14.6 secs"
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=101039/pageId=57428


very nice find. I was actually looking at Accord if I didnt get RX8. But because of the attractive price, I went with rx8

[SumAznGuy]

read his car domain page. He posted 07 Camry V6 goes 5.8 seconds.

he posted as

How the heck did he manage that? 5.8 from a 6.4/6.5 is quite a big difference.
As far as I remember, all V6 Camry's came with the 6sp auto. Unless he did a neutral drop, I don't see how he got such a big improvement.

Youtube shows a bunch of video's where people got the car down to a 6.1 second 0-60 mph. Hmmmm....

[asian_XL]

i might be wrong, but i dont think the v6 camry can go 0-60mph in under 6 seconds

camry
2TdAQn0CAu4

non-turbo Stealth/3000GT is pretty quick too
4Qg-IBLzeU4

[ilvtofu]

^hmm it doesn't really say it's stock in that video, and you can't see the speedo clearly,

^^ the thing about edmund's time is that they have professional measuring gear, whereas this guy and the guy on youtube just judge using their cameras and car speedo, so there is much more inaccuracy, which is why you'll see times generally slower on edmund's than youtube. especially with the self proclaimed "stock" cars

But I bet that with a better transmission that camry can definitely do under 6 considering the power:weight, but the video clearly shows how slushy the gearbox is, and do these cars typically start in second?

[ecsw]

How the heck did he manage that? 5.8 from a 6.4/6.5 is quite a big difference.
As far as I remember, all V6 Camry's came with the 6sp auto. Unless he did a neutral drop, I don't see how he got such a big improvement.

Youtube shows a bunch of video's where people got the car down to a 6.1 second 0-60 mph. Hmmmm....

i am not sure. but google search does return the number around 6 seconds. some a little faster, some a little slower. but it's always like that for every cars I believe.

[ilvtofu]

^check what the times are from all the car magazines, they've got better speed sensing technology,
Amateurs on cardomain will probably be using a stopwatch, or better ones maybe dynolicous or a g-tech, but most likely camry drivers don't have the same technology as the professionals, or if they do it's most likely a car enthusiast who has put mods on the car. But with a set of sportier tires, camry will do 6 no problem

[BinsentoW]

In a hurry, so didnt check the 0-60 times, but cheap crappy car that does a decent 0-60? maybe a hyundai genesis coupe?

[Timpo]

wow so the V6 Camry is actually faster than 1st gen Porsche Boxster

[Timpo]

In a hurry, so didnt check the 0-60 times, but cheap crappy car that does a decent 0-60? maybe a hyundai genesis coupe?

although Genesis coupe gets smoked by Mustang GT and 370z in every single test reports, it's CHEAP!

[hk20000]

^check what the times are from all the car magazines, they've got better speed sensing technology,
Amateurs on cardomain will probably be using a stopwatch, or better ones maybe dynolicous or a g-tech, but most likely camry drivers don't have the same technology as the professionals, or if they do it's most likely a car enthusiast who has put mods on the car. But with a set of sportier tires, camry will do 6 no problem

there's no need..... a Camry that does 5.9s or a Camry that does 6.2 sec are still fast. The point has been made.

people with EG EK and those stuff and think they are fast are silly.;)

[orange7]

camry
2TdAQn0CAu4


hm.. you got that from the internet..

It's funny how you bring that link up when I just wrote an in-class summary the other day on "Information Overload." It was about how this society has too much information, and anyone can prove his/her opinion right by just digging through mountains of unproven facts. In other words, you'll always find a source that agrees with your opinion, no matter how wrong you are.

[asian_XL]

:facepalm:

use the time you type on the internet and grab a coffee with a chick, that will make your life happier. Unless you are stuck at work just like me that got nothing better to do, then yeah.

I can't believe people get angry with other's comments...I just lol

BTW, CAMRY SE IS A SPORTY CAR...LOL how does that feel?

[Ikkaku]

http://dave.matusiak.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/wonder_woman.jpg

[brute_4s]

0-60 isnt important for daily driving unless ur always pulled over on the freeway...for daily driving gas mileage is important so i guess camry wins lol...but also which is faster in 40-70 mph...thats daily driving on the freeway

[BNR32_Coupe]

hm.. you got that from the internet..

It's funny how you bring that link up when I just wrote an in-class summary the other day on "Information Overload." It was about how this society has too much information, and anyone can prove his/her opinion right by just digging through mountains of unproven facts. In other words, you'll always find a source that agrees with your opinion, no matter how wrong you are.

it does get 0-60 in 6 seconds though.. you don't have to search through hundreds of sites to find just 1 agreeing with you. do a quick search and off the bat, you'll get reliable sources on its 0-60 time. reliable as in car & driver, edmunds, etc. if C&D and edmunds aren't reliable sources to you, then the only reliable source to you would be to drive the car itself... and i can bet good money that if you actually tried, you'd get the mentioned 0-60 time

[ecsw]

:facepalm:

use the time you type on the internet and grab a coffee with a chick, that will make your life happier. Unless you are stuck at work just like me that got nothing better to do, then yeah.

I can't believe people get angry with other's comments...I just lol

BTW, CAMRY SE IS A SPORTY CAR...LOL how does that feel?

rlol. XL, I am sure me picking up a chick is not allowed by my wife or my kids. :p Just got bored on Friday afternoon. :D

[ilvtofu]

Lol CAMRY SE IS A SPORTY CAR
XD

Car that's not capable of handling a turn on a track is considered "SPORTY" because of it's 0-60 times?!?!!?

So wait, based on asianXL's comments, a dodge ram and rolls royce phantom are sportier cars than an RX8???

[ecsw]

Lol
XD

Car that's not capable of handling a turn on a track is considered "SPORTY" because of it's 0-60 times?!?!!?

So wait, based on asianXL's comments, a dodge ram and rolls royce phantom are sportier cars than an RX8???

lol. I am sure XL is just picking on me in purpose. :D

[BNR32_Coupe]

Lol
XD

Car that's not capable of handling a turn on a track is considered "SPORTY" because of it's 0-60 times?!?!!?


that would make it a muscle car actually :haha:

[Timpo]

Camry with Aurion conversion would be dope

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Toyota/Aurion/TRD/Off/07TRDAurion_013_small.jpg
http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2007/september/toyota_aurion_2.jpg

[Nightwalker]

ok i may be wrong not being able to import them, but from the posts that guy makes, he seems like the ignorant type that doesnt back down when proven wrong, and also, he seems like the type that slaps on some crap parts and thinks his car is now god, thats y i believe his car is a dodge stealth with 3000GT body panels, and not an actual 3000GT.

Unlikely, looks like a 3000GT to me. They're the exact same car, it's not worth that much trouble. 3000GTs imported from the states are much cheaper and plentiful than Canadian Stealths anyway.

He would have had to change the headlights/tail lights, turn signals, sail panels, bumpers, door caps, and side skirts.

[ilvtofu]

Camry with Aurion conversion would be dope

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Toyota/Aurion/TRD/Off/07TRDAurion_013_small.jpg
http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2007/september/toyota_aurion_2.jpg

looks like a more stylish G8