[orange7]

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/2009_initial_quality_survey.jpg

[orange7]

if this can't be right, then why did i post it?

[Meowjin]

my boss has a LR SS and it has yet to have any problems.

[boatcaptain]

phew good tat my mini hv np lol

[boatcaptain]

n my frd jus notice sumthin as well,wht happen to the italian super cars,ferrari n lambo n such

[HonestTea]

WTF No way..

MB's are more reliable then BMW's?! O_O!

[Harvey Specter]

I’m not surprised to see BMW below average in quality. I've leased 3 BMW's over 7 years and I've had issues. The 6 series had the least amount of issues I assume because I didn't drive it much, my first BMW was a 325i sedan and it was basically a lemon it had so many issues. Now, I got my 335i 3 months ago and I've already had 2 issues. First issue was the trim on the passenger door had to be replaced because it cracked. The reason, the trim itself was not properly installed at the factory and cracked over time. Second issue, an intermittent malfunction error for the exterior bulb (very common issue with the 3 series) comes on one day, disappears the next. Thankfully I lease.

[thumper]

n my frd jus notice sumthin as well,wht happen to the italian super cars,ferrari n lambo n such

not enough numbers sold to qualify for survey... or judging from what people post on the internet, they've all either been crashed or have burned to the ground :cry:

[thumper]

whoa.... mercedes-benz is just behind honda?!?! almost everyone i know with a (newer) MB have told me never to buy one and they would never own one ever again :o

and i'm shocked to see that subaru scored so low... we've had subarus in the family since 1985 and all of them have been bombproof :thumbsup:

[Nightwalker]

What gives with MINI's poor mark! Are they that bad?

[thumper]

What gives with MINI's poor mark! Are they that bad?

yes, or at least the early ones....

http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/bmw/mini/

[taylor192]

IQS is typically flawed anyways.

Hummer scores low due to "poor gas mileage"
Until JDS standardizes what a "problem" is, I'll take any study with a huge grain of salt.

[ilvtofu]

Well this only applies to a specific model year, so having previous models doesn't necessarily count, I was shocked to see Mercedes' huge improvement because of my own W203 having numerous problems, but I know many friends with 203 who haven't had any problems, out of the ordinary at least... So i'll accept this ranking :)

Shocking to see mini all the way at the bottom, They've been making these cars for a while and so many of them already, You'd think they'd have worked out the kinks!

At least the top 5 weren't a surprise

Nice to see Ford and chevy being above average

[!SG]

gooooooooo lexus!

[Timpo]

Acura is below average? what the fuck

[q0192837465]

wow, Lexus is good. Maybe i should get a Lexus next

[Marco911]

IQS is typically flawed anyways.

Hummer scores low due to "poor gas mileage"
Until JDS standardizes what a "problem" is, I'll take any study with a huge grain of salt.

Pls show me where IQS measures complaints about poor gas mileage as a factor.

[int36ra]

i know someone with two year old is250 and it's had like 4 problems so far=\
might just be a lemon lol

[quasi]

IQS is typically flawed anyways.

Hummer scores low due to "poor gas mileage"
Until JDS standardizes what a "problem" is, I'll take any study with a huge grain of salt.

I thought the major complaint with Hummers was with dicks not growing the rumored 3 inches upon purchase?

[Rikaro]

i know someone with two year old is250 and it's had like 4 problems so far=\
might just be a lemon lol

May I ask what kind of problems are they? My friend had the same thing and another friend with the IS350 and non of them had a single problem on them :)

[skyxx]

Volkswagen should be at the bottom 10 cause I'm having a ton of stupid problems but I love to drive them....sigh

[!LittleDragon]

Yeah, what do they consider a problem to be? I mean, Mazda is below average but many Mazdas are just reskinned Fords and Ford is just a point below Toyota.

[Lomac]

Pls show me where IQS measures complaints about poor gas mileage as a factor.

These are the 20 most frequent problems for one vehicle in the JD Power study.

Excessive Wind Noise
Brakes Are Noisy
HVAC CONTROLS-DTU/DTS/Read/Poor Location
Door Locks-Broken/NW
Hands-Free Communication-Doesn't Recognize Command
Paint Imperfection-Chip/Scratch At Delivery
Glove Box-Difficult To Use
Materials Scuffs/Soils Easily
Other Interior
Excessive Fuel Consumption
Front Audio/Ent System-Controls DTU/Poor Location
Memory Seat-Controls DTU/Use
Center Console-Difficult To Use
Navigation System-Map/Wrong Direc/Poor Location
Abnormal Noises Under Vehicle
Seat Belt Latch/Release-Controls DTU/Use
Foot Pedals Too Close Together
Front Doors-Hard To Open/Close
Battery Failed
Fuel Cap-Hard To Open/Close

Wind noise complaints, for example, accounted for 5 of the total 115 point score.


I've had a family member do this for the '08 survey and, yes, fuel consumption is one of the questions.

[skyxx]

Door Locks-Broken/NW
Glove Box-Difficult To Use
Materials Scuffs/Soils Easily
Other Interior
Seat Belt Latch/Release-Controls DTU/Use

Bahahah my GTI suffers from these symptoms but i fixed most of it.

[Sandman]

Glove Box-Difficult To Use
Materials Scuffs/Soils Easily
Foot Pedals Too Close Together
Front Doors-Hard To Open/Close
Fuel Cap-Hard To Open/Close
Excessive Fuel Consumption

Really?

[ilvtofu]

Yeah, i'm wondering how these are weighted... If a tiny/flimsy cup holder is valued as much as an A/C that doesn't blow cold...

[skyxx]

I'm actually pretty pissed that my Glove-box handle broke lol!....

[q0192837465]

WTFFFF???

Brakes Are Noisy
HVAC CONTROLS-DTU/DTS/Read/Poor Location
Glove Box-Difficult To Use
Other Interior
Excessive Fuel Consumption
Front Audio/Ent System-Controls DTU/Poor Location
Memory Seat-Controls DTU/Use
Center Console-Difficult To Use
Seat Belt Latch/Release-Controls DTU/Use
Foot Pedals Too Close Together
Front Doors-Hard To Open/Close
Fuel Cap-Hard To Open/Close

These have nothing to do w/ the build quality of the car. WTFFFFFFFFFFF

[Lomac]

It's all about customer satisfaction, not just build quality.

[ilvtofu]

acura is below average because a lot of their new cars have a case of UGLY (not saying all)

[mrclean604]

lol why is hyundai near the top

[ilvtofu]

^well none of the current hyundais are hideous, well IMO at least. veracruz just a bit...

[Marco911]

Excessive fuel consumption means that it consumes significantly more fuel than is expected for the mpg rating of the vehicle

[ilvtofu]

Excessive fuel consumption is actually pretty important, I mean within 10-20% of the rating is acceptable, but I notice that, especially in larger SUVs, the rating is pretty tough to get close to in vancouver.

[Ikkaku]

^ the ratings are based on normal driving. In Vancouver, you have to SLAM on your brakes to avoid an accident OR you have to accelerate quickly or else you'll block traffic :lol

[thumper]

Excessive fuel consumption means that it consumes significantly more fuel than is expected for the mpg rating of the vehicle

in that case it's no surprise that brands like jeep, hummer and land rover are at the bottom... but then again that argument dosen't work for smart and mini which are fighting for dead last and their products are supposed to be fuel efficient :confused:

[ilvtofu]

in that case it's no surprise that brands like jeep, hummer and land rover are at the bottom... but then again that argument dosen't work for smart and mini which are fighting for dead last and their products are supposed to be fuel efficient :confused:

Have you driven one of those new smarts? the mileage is around 6-7 L/100km in the city, around the same as a yaris or fit, sure it's not way over the manufacturer's claims, but for something of this size it's pretty excessive

But anyway, this test is based on more than just fuel economy! theres so many other things that could land cars way down the list...

:facepalm:

[q0192837465]

It really depends on how you define "quality". Like I said, many of these things will not be considered a quality issue for most of us, so that score doesnt really mean much.

[Qmx323]

Honda power.

[you]

honda ftw