[Marioo1991]

I've always wanted to get an NSX and Supra, but since they're so overpriced they have always been out of my price range, so I decided to get an S2K since i wanted to get a quick, reliable sports car.

Recently my buddy showed me a 93 RHD TT Supra for sale for a very reasonable price, that appears to be near mint, and all the s2Ks i've looked at cant even compare to the condition this supra is in. I'm having a dilemma, because I've been lookign around for a good s2K for a while, but it seems that all signs are pointing to getting the supra.

Does anyone know how Toyota service centres here will treat these? and does anyone think they will ban RHD cars off the road?

What would you get?

[you]

i would get a hyundai pony

[Marioo1991]

i would get a hyundai pony

I tried but none around... damn

[ilvtofu]

They probably won't ban RHD cars if you already have them.

Are TT supras reliable?!?!?!
They are rarer though,

[unnamed1]

if you're going to have a toyota dealership work on the supra, get the s2000

[Marioo1991]

if you're going to have a toyota dealership work on the supra, get the s2000

I wont necesarily get them to work on it, more out of curiousity.

[josel_atr]

im the evil friend who showed him the supra hahaha

its true that hes been looking for an s2k for quite a while now. most of them always have these combination:

- rebuilt
- obvious wear/tear
- signs that car wasnt taken care of
- roof problems
- high mileage

the supra tt we looked at is at a wayy better condition than most of the s2k's he considered buying...

[JMIce]

Just do what you feel is the right thing to do. Did you fall in love with the supra when you saw it? Have you driven it? I'm not too into RHD but i do love the supras....

[Marioo1991]

Just do what you feel is the right thing to do. Did you fall in love with the supra when you saw it? Have you driven it? I'm not too into RHD but i do love the supras....

I dunno if I would say I fell in love with it, but I have never gotten as excited about seeing any car then I did for the Supra...

I havenet driven it yet, its been a while since I've driven a RHD car, and the area we were in was kind of busy, so the owner took me out for a spin...

to be honest, i dont really care if it's RHD or LHD, but I have always had love for cars like Supras, NSX, etc...

[ilvtofu]

How much $ are we looking at here? 15k? 20k?

[Marioo1991]

How much $ are we looking at here? 15k? 20k?

price range for me is 15-20k

[boatcaptain]

supra ftw!!

[Razr]

it will always cost more to maintain a turbo car
but a supra will kill an s2000 anyday everyday

[josel_atr]

yah its got over 300+ hp japanese muscle :D

[Marioo1991]

it will always cost more to maintain a turbo car
but a supra will kill an s2000 anyday everyday

Do you know if Supras are reasonably reliable? This isnt going to be a daily driver...

[Razr]

depending on the milage they are good cars...afterall you can't beat toyota quality
plus the 2jz is hailed as being one of the best engines ever made by toyota

[Marioo1991]

depending on the milage they are good cars...afterall you can't beat toyota quality
plus the 2jz is hailed as being one of the best engines ever made by toyota

My concern is finding someone to work on it... I have a personal mechanic who has always done work for me, but this is a very different car than i've had (civic, integra, prelude, etc). I'm not a mechanic, and I wouldnt want to get this car if it cant be properly looked after...

[The_AK]

Is it manual or automatic?
Personally, I'd stop looking at the Supra if it was automatic.
a) more difficult to repair an auto tranny
b) not as delightful to drive as a manual

edit* are you going to drive the car hard?

[josel_atr]

Go for the Supra if its a manual ;)

its a 6 speed

[!LittleDragon]

yah its got over 300+ hp japanese muscle :D

Unless it's modified, JDM's had 280hp due to an agreement at the time between car makers not to make cars with more than 280hp

[unnamed1]

issues with supras

battery issues - after 1-2 weeks of not driving it, the battery will be drained

shift shaft seal leaking - almost every supra with a v160 tranmission will have a small leak here, i lose about 2-3 drops of oil everytime i drive my car

worn valve stem seals - after the valve stems seals are worn, car will smoke on startup

blown front main seal - when replacing front main seal, if not done correctly, it will leak oil. have someone who replaced a fms on a supra before to replace it.

you're asking the wrong people for advice on supras.
it's laughable at what they are saying.

[ilvtofu]

How about some used local WRX's sure they don't have close to 300hp, but they have potential as well as AWD, an 04 with 2.5 wouldn't be a bad bet.

[josel_atr]

Unless it's modified, JDM's had 280hp due to an agreement at the time between car makers not to make cars with more than 280hp

from what we've seen its stock except for a hks exhaust and intake

[JSALES]

from what we've seen its stock except for a hks exhaust and intake

is it that red one that's being sold on craigslist?

[unnamed1]

that car been thru 2 owners already and it's only been in canada 1 year...you'll be the 3rd if u buy it.. lol

[InteGSR-99]

Find an S2K if you're considering a RHD Supra. I still dont see why anyone would want a RHD car to drive here.

[toyota86]

if you are looking into a rhd supra, get a 95+ rz from japan. make sure it is optioned out to have the big brakes, no t-top, recaros. its rz so 6 speed is a must.

all the so called rhd ones imported here right now ive seen are garbage. ugly body kits, shitty condition, etc. best if you search for one yourself from japan. i'd say if you want a supra, wait a year or so.

good maintenance mods to have would be upgraded turbos to non-ceramic ones and a v161. a novelty option i would get for sure if i was looking for one would be oem the electronic front lip spoiler.

2jz-gte are reliable engines. they are a lot easier and simplier to work on than the rb26s. ive had a 1jz supra and a 2jzge is300 before and daily drove both. no drama at all compared to the rb26 i have now. haha.

as for s2k. get a ap2 and a hard top. some clubs dont let you run convertibles on the track and a cage of any sort will most likely require you to remove the soft top from the car to make room. cage + hardtop so you can daily drive it and not worry about your stuff getting stolen if you park it.

[ilvtofu]

^you can't have a 95+ because they aren't old enough I think

Read the posts, they said they found a nice one in good condition

[EmOne]

if you are looking into a rhd supra, get a 95+ rz from japan. make sure it is optioned out to have the big brakes, no t-top, recaros. its rz so 6 speed is a must.

all the so called rhd ones imported here right now ive seen are garbage. ugly body kits, shitty condition, etc. best if you search for one yourself from japan. i'd say if you want a supra, wait a year or so.

good maintenance mods to have would be upgraded turbos to non-ceramic ones and a v161. a novelty option i would get for sure if i was looking for one would be oem the electronic front lip spoiler.

2jz-gte are reliable engines. they are a lot easier and simplier to work on than the rb26s. ive had a 1jz supra and a 2jzge is300 before and daily drove both. no drama at all compared to the rb26 i have now. haha.

as for s2k. get a ap2 and a hard top. some clubs dont let you run convertibles on the track and a cage of any sort will most likely require you to remove the soft top from the car to make room. cage + hardtop so you can daily drive it and not worry about your stuff getting stolen if you park it.the twin CTs in the 2jz already has the steel wheels.
It's the 1jz that has the ceramics

[unnamed1]

sweet more terrible advice.

you're telling him to replace the v160 for v161 because it's better for maintenance?
way to waste $4500 USD for a brand new tranny..
only difference from a v160 to v161 is the gearing ratios.

the only way i would upgrade to steel turbos is if the ceramic turbos are blown.
its not worth it to upgrade to USDM/CAD steel spec turbos if nothing is wrong with the ceramic turbos.

[shenmecar]

I would say, S2000. Supra is gonna drink gas like crazy.

Also should look at insurance for those 2 cars, i think supra might be higher tho.

[josel_atr]

I would say, S2000. Supra is gonna drink gas like crazy.

Also should look at insurance for those 2 cars, i think supra might be higher tho.

insurance on the supra will be a couple hundred dollars cheaper compared to the s2k under the same coverage....

[Blue92]

^ I find that interesting... Get an S2000. There are 80,000,000 nice ones available in the states if you can't find any here.

[4doorVIP]

Go with the Supra. For a daily it has 2 extra seats, and a shit load more trunk (hatch) space. The 2JZ is a very powerful and reliable motor. You can hit 400 crank horse with a very low budget, and run it hard all day long without a glitch. Just keep ontop of oil and plug changes. The Supra is not a difficult vehicle to work on, any mechanic should be fine - remember this car is atleast 15 years old now.

[CorneringArtist]

Unless it's modified, JDM's had 280hp due to an agreement at the time between car makers not to make cars with more than 280hp

That was a supposed "advertised" limit between the major manufacturers with cars pushing 280. True power is usually estimated. For all that we know, a perfect stock MkIV might have had 300-310PS.

As for the topic at hand, I'm undecided, both are solid cars, but the S2K is hot, and the Supra is a brute.

[tofu1413]

tough choice........

but as a daily driver, a near stock supra... would be nice. more liveable too! just some wear and tear items would be costly... 2jz is known to be quite robust luckily.

[Renthal]

supra for sure,
I have an 89, and am in the market for an Mark 4, buy one, baby it, and love it. end of story.

[JSALES]

i'd go with the supra, don't really like hondas

[impactX]

Where's Jasons2000

[Marioo1991]

Maybe I should just get an S2K and then supercharge it.

[hk20000]

^ that would cost the same as getting a Supra and mod it to like 450bhp.

[Renthal]

maybe these will sway your decision...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTHEHxyjlk
same car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6siknODUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkB6Zl1wc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2hQyTdGmg

I KNOW that these supras are modded to the nuts, but it gives you an idea of the potential!

[hk20000]

haha sweeet that Supra is doing burnouts on the dyno!

[Leopold Stotch]

Maybe I should just get an S2K and then supercharge it.

as long as you go with rotorex

[ilvtofu]

^
^
^
But then u lose the reliability and livability of the supra

If it is anyways

[monkeywrench]

go with the TT supra and you will never look at a honda again. ever.

[mas604]

If you think its overprice then i'd rethink your decision looks like your on a budget supras are reliable but if something breaks its expensive to fix. Its also a gas guzzler. Also because your considering rhd you might want to consider the resale as most rhd just sit there. I sold my LHD supra tt fairly quick as demand for those were high even being auto...just something to think about down the road if you were forced to sell it.

BTW If i had to choose id choose a supra all over again. It was a blast to drive and the looks you get in it... undeniably one of the most sought out car and the attention is well deserved.

[SpuGen]

Supra.

Faster
One of the best engines Toyota has ever made (Next to the 4AGZE, 3SGTE, 1UZ)
Sounds better
Looks better
Actually has a trunk.

[billboa]

supra all the way.

s2k is newer but if nething breaks or if you mod it the parts are VERY expensive

[prelude_prince]

Supra definately. Assuming you're going to mod it, you might look at some of the many differences between USDM and JDM MKIVs though.

While everyone knows its easy to extract power out of the 2JZs, The JDM MKIVs will take more effort (money) than the USDM ones.

[Marioo1991]

Does anyone know how much maintenance/work these require? I wouldnt plan on modding it alot or driving it hard... yet. Its a second car, so its ok if it's sitting for a while not running....

[Renthal]

lol 2jz S2000!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV08SE-zV7A

[thumper]

i was just taking a peek at US prices for the MKIV...

http://www.vipimports.com/94Alpine/94Alpine.htm

if i only won the lottery.... sigh.

[orange7]

where all all those s2k and supra owners in this forum??

jason2000?
troung???
etc.

[mr_piggy]

Are you looking for a S2000 for $10,000 or something? There are a gazillion good S2000s for sale in BC.

I don't know where you're looking but S2000 rebuilts? LOL

Get the S2K man, just pay a bit more and get a good one.

[SupraMan604]

Get a Supra you wont look back....timeless look, power and reliability! So many fellow Supra owners that have sold their car would regret it and buy another Supra again. That just tells you how good a car it is.

Ask yourself how many honda owners say that. Think about it =)

[Marioo1991]

Are you looking for a S2000 for $10,000 or something? There are a gazillion good S2000s for sale in BC.

I don't know where you're looking but S2000 rebuilts? LOL

Get the S2K man, just pay a bit more and get a good one.

nope, my budget is 15-20k...I wouldnt say there are a gazillion "good" ones... a lot of the ones i've seen in my price range are really beat up, around half of them need a new top..

[billboa]

Its gonna be easier to find a good s2k for that price.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ctd/1272179081.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ctd/1271959806.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1268970900.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1264913771.html


There is 4 s2000's in your price range with no apparent problems, and remember if it needs a new top that means u can bargain the price down then use that money u didn't spend on a hardtop. There was a few supras but this was the nicest one with twin turbos and 6 speed and is coming just below ur budget at 14,500. Personally ide be all over that supra if i had the money

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1270687548.html

[Marioo1991]

Its gonna be easier to find a good s2k for that price.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ctd/1272179081.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ctd/1271959806.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1268970900.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1264913771.html


There is 4 s2000's in your price range with no apparent problems, and remember if it needs a new top that means u can bargain the price down then use that money u didn't spend on a hardtop. There was a few supras but this was the nicest one with twin turbos and 6 speed and is coming just below ur budget at 14,500. Personally ide be all over that supra if i had the money

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1270687548.html

First 2 our already over my budget, would be 23-24k if they didnt need ANY work done...

3rd one is a rebuild

4th one is nice, was actually thinking about that one... but i'm not a fan of the black S2K, most of them really show their wear...

[Hakkaboy]

First 2 our already over my budget, would be 23-24k if they didnt need ANY work done...

3rd one is a rebuild

4th one is nice, was actually thinking about that one... but i'm not a fan of the black S2K, most of them really show their wear...

you're willing to buy a red supra but you think that a black s2k will show it's wear?

ok...

anyways, you might be able to negotiate better on the 4th one and tell the seller that he is wrong. 2003 also has 9k revline and glass window.

and if you pick that up, then pay the $$$ to get it professionally detailed and the car should look good as new

something like this:

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=684000&st=0&#entry15751075

[billboa]

First 2 our already over my budget, would be 23-24k if they didnt need ANY work done...

3rd one is a rebuild

4th one is nice, was actually thinking about that one... but i'm not a fan of the black S2K, most of them really show their wear...
I have a buddy who had a black s2k for a year and he fucking loved it, it didn't show too much anything except pure sexyness!!, just wash ur car once a week like u should be doing neways and it will be fine. Black or white is the nicest colors on them IMO.

Didn't you say ur budget wat 15-20g's?

the ones i posted r JUST over 20 and your could try and bargain them down to like 17-19.
Also y not a 350z? ide pick one over a s2k neday.

[ilvtofu]

used Zs in that price range always look really beat on to me personally

[mr_piggy]

nope, my budget is 15-20k...I wouldnt say there are a gazillion "good" ones... a lot of the ones i've seen in my price range are really beat up, around half of them need a new top..

If your only willing to pay 15+K for a car, I don't think you should be looking at S2000s.

I recently sold my 8 year old Accord beater for a bit less than that. :)

[billboa]

used Zs in that price range always look really beat on to me personally
u obviously don't look around too much.

example
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cto/1278391833.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ctd/1274878668.html

[Death2Theft]

Something all these dick swinging supra fanboys forget is. How often are you going to be moving fast enough to enjoy the straightline power of a modded supra? Specially with all the construction in vancouver. Dealerships barely know anything about a lhd mkiv much less a rhd one. Dealers typically are trained to work with cars less than 10 years old. How often do you see people bringing 10+ year old cars to the dealer? What lot boy wouldn't love to beat the snot out of your car for leaving it at the dealer? Specially with the appeal these cars have to the teenage crowd.

Where as with the sharp handling of an s2k you can appreciate it just about everytime you jump into it.

[Dat]

Supra... do it... do it..

[RabidRat]

If your only willing to pay 15+K for a car, I don't think you should be looking at S2000s.

I recently sold my 8 year old Accord beater for a bit less than that. :)

nah it's doable. definitely the ones closer to 15k are pretty beaten on, but 18 and up, there are some good '02s and '03s out there. only if you insist on an AP2 would it be a bit of a challenge.

[InteGSR-99]

LOL, Anyone who doesnt appreciate a Supra everytime they jump into it has issues. Who cares if someone cant use all the power on the street, you wont be able to in an S2K either. Own/drive both for a long period of time and you will know which car is better. Theres nothing to even think about when debating between these two cars.



Something all these dick swinging supra fanboys forget is. How often are you going to be moving fast enough to enjoy the straightline power of a modded supra? Specially with all the construction in vancouver. Dealerships barely know anything about a lhd mkiv much less a rhd one. Dealers typically are trained to work with cars less than 10 years old. How often do you see people bringing 10+ year old cars to the dealer? What lot boy wouldn't love to beat the snot out of your car for leaving it at the dealer? Specially with the appeal these cars have to the teenage crowd.

Where as with the sharp handling of an s2k you can appreciate it just about everytime you jump into it.

[Arislo]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this!

WPBQuWhrgSE

Or get a poor man Supra like me. Aristo ! ;)

[Marioo1991]

Supra... do it... do it..


I need you to convince me in person

[k20a]

If you think about it, is the OP going to dump all that money to make like 600rwhp - 1000rwhp? If not, what's the point in posting all these supra videos? If it does convince him, he'll just get the supra and realize he'll need to dump xxxxxx.xx amount into it.

S2000 since I'm a honda guy, and you can pick up chicks with it. haha

[Arislo]

nvmind it was up there :P

[CanadaGoose]

maybe these will sway your decision...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTHEHxyjlk


MONICAAAAAAAA

[Tgo]

As a supra owner they are amazing cars but like anything there are drawbacks
piss poor fuel economy about 16-19MPG taking it easy which drops to about 12ish at WOT take my word for it as fun as it is if its your daily driver you will soon know your local gas station attendants by first name
As parts go they arent cheap, most stock parts are overpriced, and unless its something common will take few days to arrive (5-7 days from most toyota dealerships)

The good well alot of power and very easy to increase it, its a rocket and does handle well (avoid snow unless you like a sled), very comfortable ride, has a back seat can seat 2 small girls or one person sitting across the seats (trunk is not the that big and if you store the targa its useless) with the targa off in the sun the car is great it does become a little fishy as the rear likes to kick out.

From a mechanical point of view
Engines are very reliable can handle huge amount of power if done right, but its very easy to add a boost controller abuse the car and sell it(most cars get sold for a reason try to find it)
Things to check would be dead turbos, even on a mint car if they have been abused by overboosting you will see smoke out of the exaust, and in the intake piping alot of oil
Trany noise when idle most of them sound like a small ball is inside bouncing, syncros mostly first and second from wear and tear
Check that the odometer works its very easy to turn them off, if its targa check for leaks a major pain in the ass to fix

My experience with toyota its been great so far took the car twice and i recieved amazing service thats not to say dont be cautious with who you give the keys to.

As for the attention the car will you defiantly get you that but not from the girls, the car is a cok magnet and a big one too.:cry:

I drive mine as a daily driver for about a year and a half no mechanical issues, just a clutch replacement (stock will run you about 550$ in parts if you can do it your self, toyota will do it for about 1000$) , tires if stock are not too bad but if they are wide well not cheap
if you stick to the maintenance schedule (http://www.mkiv.com/manual/manualtt/maintenance_schedule/index.html) the car will be fine but like any other car it all depends how you take care of it

Try www.supraforums.com there are many helpful people there that can help you with your questions if your serious.

[thumper]

Tgo... what year is yours, and what kind of mileage do you have?

several years back i tried looking for one but bceause of my limited budget, i was always stuck looking at riced out junk, rebuilds, or hi-mileage tired beaters that i couldn't afford to fix/restore :(

[Ferra]

Supra is way sexier than s2k..

but then like someone mentioned already, anyone selling their supra is probably because they realize there are going to be a bunch of problems coming up soon with the vehicle.

[ziggyx]

haha.. you sound like the younger me. Back then I was looking for a supra because it was my favourite car. Specifically i was looking for a later TT supra that was in really good condition. It's really hard to find even when my budget was pretty high. I was looking in a lot of places mostly in California.

But then I was slowly giving up and my dad told me it's going to be a hassle importing it here. I went car shopping sat in an s2000 and fell in love with it right away. Bought a brand new ap2 s2000 which could have gotten me a really good supra.

Even now I still would love a supra. Don't get me wrong the s2000 is a really reliable and fun, I just really wanna know what it's like to have a supra.

I think which ever choice you make you'd be happy, I think both are great cars.

[Tgo]

Tgo... what year is yours, and what kind of mileage do you have?

several years back i tried looking for one but bceause of my limited budget, i was always stuck looking at riced out junk, rebuilds, or hi-mileage tired beaters that i couldn't afford to fix/restore :(

Mine is a 94 TT LHD from seattle bought it with 56K miles now its about 77K mostly driven in the summer and few rare occasions here and there