[Drift_Monkey]

Anybody else see the Motocyle ramming into the Nissan Versa around 9:45pm?

The bike was heading North, and the car was heading East.

There was alot of debris and I saw a pair of lady's flat shoes and a mens runner on the floor.

Cops were measuring the skid marks and examing the car.

The versa had the passenger side curtain airbags delpoyed with scrapes and dents all the way up to the top corner of the roof.

I believe the driver and passenger on the bike is probably dead (RIP), The driver in the nissan was probably ok.

The entire intersection was blocked off with yellow tape.

I think it took 3 hours to clear the Intersection.

[slammer111]

So who ran the red light?

[Drift_Monkey]

I have no idea.
I wasn't at the scene when it happen.

I guess we'll see it on the news paper.

[Drift_Monkey]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accident+closes+Broadway+Granville/1805447/story.html

I just found this and it said the car fled the scene.

I can't beleive that. how did the driver flee the scene at such a busy street.

[Meowjin]

i arrived at 9:55. I saw the aftermath. Disturbing none the less.

[azzurro32]

wow..

driver who fled is going to be SOL when caught, especially if bikers died

[Rogue951]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090719_085956_6232

[impactX]

RIP...

[Dan_Guy]

RIP...

if some people would read, they'd know that no one died yet....

[68style]

Fucking left turning cars as usual..... I don't know about other riders on here, but every single time I come up to an intersection if cars are turning left I brake down to under 50km/h in the city.... see a lot of riders gunning it through intersections probably the worst thing they can do :(

[3seriesBeeM]

hopefully the bikers pull through and the guy that hit them is caught and sued for everything he/she has

[azzurro32]

Fucking left turning cars as usual..... I don't know about other riders on here, but every single time I come up to an intersection if cars are turning left I brake down to under 50km/h in the city.... see a lot of riders gunning it through intersections probably the worst thing they can do :(

Yea, its usually bikes colliding into left turn laners. But makes me think, is it the cars fault, or the bikes usually speeding? I mean come on, bikes are harder to see and easier to speed. Bikers should learn to ride with common sense as well.

[penner2k]

Shit that scared me.. I didnt see the part about a woman being on the bike..
I just know that around that time my buddy would have been going through that area on his bike to get to work.. was just about to call him

[slammer111]

Anyone who took a rider's course knows that unlike a car, you absolutely do NOT run yellows on a bike.

With that said though, nobody knows what happened. For all we know, the bike had a green and some drunk driver ran a red, unless they were able to get witnesses.

Hoperfully the rider + passenger were wearing full gear. Otherwise they're in for a whole world of hurt.

[johny]

where does it say the driver got away?... none of those links say that.

[racerman88]

hopefully the rider and passenger pull through

[static]

Fucking left turning cars as usual..... I don't know about other riders on here, but every single time I come up to an intersection if cars are turning left I brake down to under 50km/h in the city.... see a lot of riders gunning it through intersections probably the worst thing they can do :(

i even slow down in my car, too many fuck-wads out there that are retarded and couldn't judge the speed of a snail crossing the road.

[jnesss]

Fucking left turning cars as usual..... I don't know about other riders on here, but every single time I come up to an intersection if cars are turning left I brake down to under 50km/h in the city.... see a lot of riders gunning it through intersections probably the worst thing they can do :(

word. cause if a left turner doesn't get you, a right turner could!

[Roach]

Was leaving Joey's shortly after this happened. Almost got trapped into my parking spot by an ambulance. Had no idea it was this severe. Hope the couple pull through.

Kev

[StylinRed]

saw a guy trying to cut into the emergency lane to make it to a right turning lane up ahead of me and when doing so almost took out a motorcycle that was driving between the cars and the emergency lane (near the location of the crash), was pretty scary


i cant stand left turners... they're always misjudging the room/time they have to turn... just wait a few more seconds for clear traffic or even the light... no need to risk a fuckin accident

[fingerbang]

i was driving by the area and pulled over to see what all the police lights were all about.

apparently (info gathered from witnesses at the scene) the bike might have been racing a black bmw. the bmw clipped the bike which then hit the versa. the passengers of the bike flew about 10 meters and the woman passenger was not wearing a helmet. and the bmw sped off..

[Meowjin]

Fucking left turning cars as usual..... I don't know about other riders on here, but every single time I come up to an intersection if cars are turning left I brake down to under 50km/h in the city.... see a lot of riders gunning it through intersections probably the worst thing they can do :(

almost got hit last week going down 4 road and blundell, luckily I always slow down before this intersection.

[ASG111]

not really related, but i saw quite a bunch of cops on close to Bridgeport and Sea island way, it was around 10:00pm and it was quite the commottion, anyone know what happened there?

[ilvtofu]

^i think roadblock?

Versa driver was prolly drunk...

[Amuse]

i cant stand left turners... they're always misjudging the room/time they have to turn... just wait a few more seconds for clear traffic or even the light... no need to risk a fuckin accident
I can't stand drivers that run a late yellow. Slow down before the intersection = lower risk of an accident.

[6thGear.]

Someone on BCsportbikes witnessed the whole thing



was Eastbound on Broadway, stopped right @ the intersection when it happened. Was at about 9:45-ish

Motorcycle was I *think* a CBR600 F4i yellow with black graphics.

Motorcycle was Northbound on Granville, Car Southbound on Granville, turning left to go Eastbound on Broadway. Small silver 4-door, maybe a Kia or Nissan/Toyota (to be honest they all look alike to me...)

Rider and passenger wearing full face helmets, rider may have been wearing a leather or textile jacket, but shorts and running shoes.

Female passenger may have been wearing at best, a light wind-breaker. Shorts and flip flops. Didn't see any gloves if they were worn, but I don't think so.

I was just looking up from my instruments, and heard the unmistakeable sound of high rpm motorcycle engine and the sudden stop/BANG! of car impact. I saw the female passenger completely upside down, arcing high enough up in the air to clear a transit bus.

They both went about 30' or 40' distance, impact was right about dead centre of the intersection, they ended up about 10' and 20' past the north side of the Granville st. crosswalk.

Both were knocked out, and didn't start moving until the Ambulances arrived and there were 5 at my count, at least three within the first 5 minutes, plus big fire truck, small fire truck, and at least 4 cop cars.


The girl passenger was screaming/moaning something fierce while the paramedics were working on her, the guy was quiet.

The cops taped off the entire intersection, (from lamp post to lamp post!!!) completely stopping traffic from going through.

There were a zillion witnesses, the streets were just crazy crowded with people, and so many moved in to go to the bikers aid, that I couldn't even see them within 30 seconds of it happening!


The car definately turned left in front of the bike, but I can't honestly say if the bike was going the speed limit or 60-70 kph etc., (absolutely not slower than that)

The light was still red for me Eastbound, I can't say if it was possibly going from yellow to red, or red for the bike.

[Rogue951]

I think we gotta lay off on the whole "hate left turners thing" unless you guys say u honestly make all right turns your whole life.

my opinion careless on both parts. if that guy heard the bike rev then he probably tried to run the yellow. considering he had a passenger def wasn't thinking safety first.
that being said, lefty shoulda made better checks.
Who knows maybe someone will come forward and say the bike ran a full red.

[chun]

I think we gotta lay off on the whole "hate left turners thing" unless you guys say u honestly make all right turns your whole life.

my opinion careless on both parts. if that guy heard the bike rev then he probably tried to run the yellow. considering he had a passenger def wasn't thinking safety first.
that being said, lefty shoulda made better checks.
Who knows maybe someone will come forward and say the bike ran a full red.
The people who are hating on left turners are hating on DANGEROUS left turners, who are making left turns when they shouldn't be, not ALL left turners or else that would make no sense.

And as for the bike revving, he COULD have been downshifting hard to brake and stop. Just because it was revving doesn't mean that he was gunning it.

[maxxxboost]

Hope everyone comes out of this alive and smarter.
I'm always watching for obstacles just waiting to take me out when riding, hope every rider is doing the same.

[Death2Theft]

You'd have to be a real idiot to not ride in a pack with all these olympic lookie loos in their rental cars.

[Gh0stRider]

fucking cagers

[ASG111]

pardon my stupidity, but what's "olympic lookie loos"

[KO7]

One of the biggest scares I ever had on my bike was when my buddy was riding behind me, and I braked for a yellow light (in time to stop), while my buddy who was behind me gunned the late yellow RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LEFT-TURNER. The left turner saw me brake, and was about to complete the left-turn, but thank god the driver was smart enough to see my dumbass friend gun the late yellow.

[E=mc²]

wait so the driver DIDNT flee the scene did he/she? None of the news articles mentioned that, except for that one post in this topic.

I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to flee since there were a billion witnesses.

Anyway, so THAT's what happened there. I was driving westbound on W Broadway on my way to pick up my gf from work when I was cutoff at Hemlock because of the police. This was around 11:45ish so I guess they were still investigating and combing the area.


As for fault, I would DEFINITELY put the blame on the driver. If the eastbound light was still red, then North/south Granville was at worst, yellow-red (making the assumption that westbound Broadway did not have the advance green which was why the witness reported eastbound being red). In this case, the driver should never make the left turn unless he/she is absolutely certain oncoming traffic has stopped or slowed significantly to stop. Some left turning drivers are morons who can't fuckin wait and be absolutely sure before turning.

[genzou]

you knwo what i think is, because north bound granville around broadway is on a hill, and a bike can go pretty fast, the left turner probably didnt see the bike until it started turning left, and then the bike ran into the car?

just a possibility. or the driver was just a druken idiot?

i dont know but i was there around 10ish and saw one of the guy's leg was twisted wrong way... hope they are alright

[you]

ohh shit thats why they had a roadblock there...i thought it was an unusual spot for alcohol check that night...we need pics

[Roach]

Although I'm likely going to offend many of the motorcyclists on RS, I have to interject with the idea that nothing is known for sure at this point and blaming this on "cagers" and blind left-turners is not fair.

I'm sure most of you here ride responsibly, however, as a "cager" I can't begin to tell you the number of near-incidents I've been in from aggressive motorcyclists. Splitting lanes, passing on shoulders or flying through city traffic at completely unreasonable speeds. Twice this season, I've been in an intersection on a yellow, ready to go and have had motorcyclists blow through in an otherwise unsafe situation because they have enough power to do so. Would ICBC deem it my fault? Possibly. However, the situation is preventable if the riders are able to keep their egos in check.

Inevitably, all the leathers, helmets and gloves in the world aren't going to save you when your body parts are crushed against my fender.

I wish the best to these two who were injured. Regardless of fault, no one deserves to get hurt. But please keep in mind none of us know the whole story before we jump to the knee-jerk "poor victimized rider" perspective I see so often here.

My $0.02. Flame Away!

Kev

[Qmx323]

Although I'm likely going to offend many of the motorcyclists on RS, I have to interject with the idea that nothing is known for sure at this point and blaming this on "cagers" and blind left-turners is not fair.

I'm sure most of you here ride responsibly, however, as a "cager" I can't begin to tell you the number of near-incidents I've been in from aggressive motorcyclists. Splitting lanes, passing on shoulders or flying through city traffic at completely unreasonable speeds. Twice this season, I've been in an intersection on a yellow, ready to go and have had motorcyclists blow through in an otherwise unsafe situation because they have enough power to do so. Would ICBC deem it my fault? Possibly. However, the situation is preventable if the riders are able to keep their egos in check.

Inevitably, all the leathers, helmets and gloves in the world aren't going to save you when your body parts are crushed against my fender.

I wish the best to these two who were injured. Regardless of fault, no one deserves to get hurt. But please keep in mind none of us know the whole story before we jump to the knee-jerk "poor victimized rider" perspective I see so often here.

My $0.02. Flame Away!

Kev

I actually somewhat agree with you. Whenever a Motorcycle/Car accident occurs everyone blames the car. Not saying this scenario is entirely one side's fault, but still.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

so which idiot that cant drive shit

[simsimi1004]

nothing about fleeing

[jnesss]

Although I'm likely going to offend many of the motorcyclists on RS, I have to interject with the idea that nothing is known for sure at this point and blaming this on "cagers" and blind left-turners is not fair.

I'm sure most of you here ride responsibly, however, as a "cager" I can't begin to tell you the number of near-incidents I've been in from aggressive motorcyclists. Splitting lanes, passing on shoulders or flying through city traffic at completely unreasonable speeds. Twice this season, I've been in an intersection on a yellow, ready to go and have had motorcyclists blow through in an otherwise unsafe situation because they have enough power to do so. Would ICBC deem it my fault? Possibly. However, the situation is preventable if the riders are able to keep their egos in check.

Inevitably, all the leathers, helmets and gloves in the world aren't going to save you when your body parts are crushed against my fender.

I wish the best to these two who were injured. Regardless of fault, no one deserves to get hurt. But please keep in mind none of us know the whole story before we jump to the knee-jerk "poor victimized rider" perspective I see so often here.

My $0.02. Flame Away!

Kev

sometimes, it's safer to blow through an intersection (definitely NOT at a highspeed) but why?
-bike's brake a lot faster and can be rearended (my buddy almost creamed me once)
-if there's something slippery on the floor such as debris, oil, even light rain running over that shit will make you lowside and slide out into the intersection. (i've witnessed it first hand on a group ride)

[jnesss]

You'd have to be a real idiot to not ride in a pack with all these olympic lookie loos in their rental cars.

so you're saying it's the rider's fault because he wasn't riding with a pack of bikers? thumbs fing down, buddy.

[Great68]

Although I'm likely going to offend many of the motorcyclists on RS, I have to interject with the idea that nothing is known for sure at this point and blaming this on "cagers" and blind left-turners is not fair.

I'm sure most of you here ride responsibly, however, as a "cager" I can't begin to tell you the number of near-incidents I've been in from aggressive motorcyclists. Splitting lanes, passing on shoulders or flying through city traffic at completely unreasonable speeds. Twice this season, I've been in an intersection on a yellow, ready to go and have had motorcyclists blow through in an otherwise unsafe situation because they have enough power to do so. Would ICBC deem it my fault? Possibly. However, the situation is preventable if the riders are able to keep their egos in check.

Inevitably, all the leathers, helmets and gloves in the world aren't going to save you when your body parts are crushed against my fender.

I wish the best to these two who were injured. Regardless of fault, no one deserves to get hurt. But please keep in mind none of us know the whole story before we jump to the knee-jerk "poor victimized rider" perspective I see so often here.

My $0.02. Flame Away!

Kev


I agree, there are just as many people on bikes riding like they have a fucking death wish.

[Gumby]

Shorts + severe motorcycle accident = :cry:

[slammer111]

One of the biggest scares I ever had on my bike was when my buddy was riding behind me, and I braked for a yellow light (in time to stop), while my buddy who was behind me gunned the late yellow RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LEFT-TURNER. The left turner saw me brake, and was about to complete the left-turn, but thank god the driver was smart enough to see my dumbass friend gun the late yellow.Oh wow, I hope you smacked your friend back into line. That's deep in suicide territory.

[Unagi]

Hope the bikers are ok...

[Leopold Stotch]

I somewhat witnessed the accident,

i was going southbound on Granville the vehicle that was involved was in front of me and we were both signaling left, at the last moment i decided to continue going southbound on Granville instead of eastbound onto broadway, good thing i had stopped because if i was going to turn left guaranteed that bike would have hit me.

i didn't see the accident because i tend to stop looking when my foots on the brake at the lights but the car turned left in front of me, i thought it was a Yaris, but it was silver.

all i know is that when the yaris turned i saw a poof of smoke two bodies flung into the air and the bike just in debris. the silver car was at the left lane facing east on broadway.

the driver landed in the right hand lane of broadway and the passenger just 3-4 feet from my door. I ran outside to try and talk to the passenger not knowing what to do and i starting calling the police and begging for an answer from the female passenger. within 10 seconds there were like 5 nurses in the surrounding area off duty trying to help.

before my 911 call even came through there was 3 ambulances on scene. the girl was in rough shape and landed oddly. and the guy went into shock. he was put a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance. the girl was a different story.

because of the way she landed, they couldnt' touch her but she woke up and starting screaming, i think she may have broken her neck/spine. and the paramedics needed more help, i asked them to help but since i wasn't really helpful i just sat in my car like a helpless moron.

eventually a fire truck came and 2 more ambulances show up and they ask me whether or not i witness the accident, truthfully i didn't because i zoned out. so the police asked me to leave because the female passenger started to scream and it was making the situation very tense.

Now i had seen the car involved in the accident stop and i thought they came out to help. and i was happy to see so many people willing to help, albeit i wish the situation never arose.


it just upset me that i couldn't do anything even though she was less than a car length from me. i really hope they're okay and pull through, even as a person who saw the aftermath it really unnerved me.

i won't comment on the who i thought was in the wrong, but the bike t-boned the car and the impact was quite hard.

[impactX]

I somewhat witnessed the accident,

i was going southbound on Granville the vehicle that was involved was in front of me and we were both signaling left, at the last moment i decided to continue going southbound on Granville instead of eastbound onto broadway, good thing i had stopped because if i was going to turn left guaranteed that bike would have hit me.

i didn't see the accident because i tend to stop looking when my foots on the brake at the lights but the car turned left in front of me, i thought it was a Yaris, but it was silver.

all i know is that when the yaris turned i saw a poof of smoke two bodies flung into the air and the bike just in debris. the silver car was at the left lane facing east on broadway.

the driver landed in the right hand lane of broadway and the passenger just 3-4 feet from my door. I ran outside to try and talk to the passenger not knowing what to do and i starting calling the police and begging for an answer from the female passenger. within 10 seconds there were like 5 nurses in the surrounding area off duty trying to help.

before my 911 call even came through there was 3 ambulances on scene. the girl was in rough shape and landed oddly. and the guy went into shock. he was put a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance. the girl was a different story.

because of the way she landed, they couldnt' touch her but she woke up and starting screaming, i think she may have broken her neck/spine. and the paramedics needed more help, i asked them to help but since i wasn't really helpful i just sat in my car like a helpless moron.

eventually a fire truck came and 2 more ambulances show up and they ask me whether or not i witness the accident, truthfully i didn't because i zoned out. so the police asked me to leave because the female passenger started to scream and it was making the situation very tense.

Now i had seen the car involved in the accident stop and i thought they came out to help. and i was happy to see so many people willing to help, albeit i wish the situation never arose.


it just upset me that i couldn't do anything even though she was less than a car length from me. i really hope they're okay and pull through, even as a person who saw the aftermath it really unnerved me.

i won't comment on the who i thought was in the wrong, but the bike t-boned the car and the impact was quite hard.

Good job doing your best to help!

Did you give the police your statement?

[hotjoint]

damn

[brianau9]

-bike's brake a lot faster and can be rearended

that's wrong...

[jnesss]

that's wrong...

maybe i'm wrong? i'd like to think of the worst case scenario - think of a car with worn brakes and bald tires.

i'd rather run the light if it the intersection's clear of vehicles turning than to slam on the brakes, potentially lowside or be hit from behind.

[simsimi1004]

^what if the car decides to run the yellow too because its cclear of turning cars
lol

[E=mc²]

pretty obvious
if there's a guy in front of you, you make the decision AFTER he guns it. Not BEFORE.

[jnesss]

^what if the car decides to run the yellow too because its cclear of turning cars
lol

i'll see him coming down the left turn lane quickly, so i'll probably stop.

edit: let me rephrase what i originally intended to say. by a clear intersection, i meant no cars coming down the left turn lane or waiting to turn left and no cars waiting to turn right to join my direction of travel.

edit 2: you can probably question what to do if the intersection's got left & right turners and tailgaters are riding your up behind you. what do you do then? nothing, go with your instrincts and pray. you can only avoid so much and sometimes, there's just no way of predicting how things will turn out.

anyhow, i hope the riders are ok.

[m4k4v4li]

i saw the whole thing, the biker pretty much ran a red and got smoked
the girl passenger flew like friggen 20 feet, she bounced off the ground.. her leg was going the complete other way and she was screaming when paramedics got there

the driver didnt flee...

ambulance got there literally in less than 2 minutes
fastest ambulance ever

[Senna4ever]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that you can't make a left turn on Granville St.

I hope the bikers are ok.

[m4k4v4li]

ya wtf^
i thought turning right is illigal too its go straight only

[Senna4ever]

No, you can turn right from Granville onto Broadway.

[6thGear.]

maybe i'm wrong? i'd like to think of the worst case scenario - think of a car with worn brakes and bald tires.

i'd rather run the light if it the intersection's clear of vehicles turning than to slam on the brakes, potentially lowside or be hit from behind.

Your statement isn't entirely wrong nor is it entirely right. Yes, a modern day sportbike can out brake and out maneuver pretty much most cars on the road, given the right rider that is. Unfortunately majority of riders ride way past their skill set and they think they can handle a 600cc sportbike and that's when accidents happen. Fast moving bike and a slow moving car = disaster.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that you can't make a left turn on Granville St.

I hope the bikers are ok.

Going North (heading into DT) there is no left turns. Heading South, left turns are allowed.