[Jackygor]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/acura-tl-sh-awd_sta_01-580op.jpg

Honda Motor Co.'s new president, Takanubo Ito, has said in no uncertain terms that V8 power and rear-wheel drive motivation aren't in the automaker's future.

Ito, who took the reigns from Takeo Fukui last month, said during his first press conference, "I don't think we need a classic front-engine, rear-drive car. It would be meaningless to emulate what other companies have done for more than five decades."

Honda's new president went on to say that, "We are considering incorporating new engines, motors, transmissions and chassis into mid- to large-sized hybrid vehicles," and confirmed that his predecessor's plan to create a V8 and a new rear-wheel drive architecture have been killed after Honda reassessed its priorities amidst the tanking economy. Instead, expect Honda's future premium offerings – primarily those from Acura – to adopt fuel-efficient inline-four and V6 engines, equipped with hybrid motors, and all-wheel drive.

thats right Acura...think OUTSIDE of the box...

[sonick]

We don't need V8's and RWD's like we don't need mindless action flicks, hardcore porn and "That's What She Said" jokes.

[EagleSpeaker]

that's what all other companies are doing for recent years.. moving away from V8 and RWD
nothing new/surprising

[sonick]

Which is why I give all the more props to Pontiac and the G8

[Great68]

No one NEEDS V8's and rear wheel drive, we WANT V8's and rear wheel drive.

[EagleSpeaker]

Which is why I give all the more props to Pontiac and the G8

ok that just came out of nowhere

[EagleSpeaker]

No one NEEDS V8's and rear wheel drive, we WANT V8's and rear wheel drive.

not everyone is into backward technology
i know this is a car forum

[taylor192]

not everyone is into backward technology
i know this is a car forum

Backwards? This is a car forum.

Most car enthusiasts want RWD, we want to be able to steer with our right foot, not white knuckle the steering wheel dealing with FWD torque steer or understeer corners in AWD. I wish there were more options for smaller RWD cars like the 1-series or my C-class coupe.

As for V8s, despite the gas-mileage green hippies, many of us still think like:
http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/ricky-bobby-born-to-go-fast.jpg

[jbsali]

No one NEEDS V8's and rear wheel drive, we WANT V8's and rear wheel drive.

hes actually right. from a marketing perspective, this occurs all the time. hondas man objective is to provide the public with vehicles with outstanding reliability and fuel efficiency. Its been like this since the beginning and hondas biggest competitor is toyota at this time.

The person i quoted above has basically hit the nail with the hammer. whether he realized it or not. Afterall, if honda really did release a rwd, v8 tl would this be able to pull consumers in that are interested in those types of cars? most likely not.

they are sticking to what they know best and what they are known for: fuel efficiency and reliability. You also have to think of consumer needs/ demographics, etc.

In the end, consumers don't NEED this from honda

[ilvtofu]

Honda doesn't have a vehicle to market the V8 atm IMO that would be competitive in the market

[jbsali]

Honda doesn't have a vehicle to market the V8 atm IMO that would be competitive in the market


s2000/s3000 but they will most likely release a v6 before they would ever release a v8 for the vehicle. they would make a whole new vehicle for the v8 if they brought it out.. but they wont and probably never will lol

[Great68]

not everyone is into backward technology
i know this is a car forum

Backward technology?

HUH?

I don't know, I've never seen a FWD formula 1 car...

[Great68]

hes actually right. from a marketing perspective, this occurs all the time. hondas man objective is to provide the public with vehicles with outstanding reliability and fuel efficiency. Its been like this since the beginning and hondas biggest competitor is toyota at this time.

The person i quoted above has basically hit the nail with the hammer. whether he realized it or not. Afterall, if honda really did release a rwd, v8 tl would this be able to pull consumers in that are interested in those types of cars? most likely not.

they are sticking to what they know best and what they are known for: fuel efficiency and reliability. You also have to think of consumer needs/ demographics, etc.

In the end, consumers don't NEED this from honda

I understand they are picking their market segment, people looking for RWD performance will not want a Honda.

[jbsali]

I understand they are picking their market segment, people looking for RWD performance will not want a Honda.
not all true, it all depends on there demographics. and are they brand loyalty. but basing this on the average (person look for rwd), yeah your totally right

[ilvtofu]

Just look at the X6!

[Noir]

No surprise. It was just a practical business decision appropriate to the current economic trend.

I actually give props to decision.

[Kalize]

so that means all their cars are gonna be FWD?
hmmm the next S2000 will be FWD...

Honda is dumb. Plain and Simple...no wonder their lineup is lackluster...especially their Acura lineup...

[orange7]

i guess [Acura] will never be able to compete with the big boys...

gosh.. and i was really hopping to hear that v8


*edited

[orange7]

so that means all their cars are gonna be FWD?
hmmm the next S2000 will be FWD...

Honda is dumb. Plain and Simple...no wonder their lineup is lackluster...especially their Acura lineup...

I don't think there will be a next gen for the s2k. Just like there isn't a next gen for the nsx.

Hm.. so why did honda get a new president?

[Nightwalker]

They don't even need to announce this. I wasn't expecting anything of the like from them anyway.

[Razr]

seems like the age of affordable sporty cars is gone
no more rsx, prelude, new eclipse is a fat ass, no 240sx
in 2000 there seemed to be a huge market for these types of cars now its all practical four door sedans and cars like evoX and sti are way overpriced in my opinion-most people who have 50k for a car are not interested in a morphed, fast version of an economy car

[Sid Vicious]

yet again proving honda is the gayest automobile company in the world.


i probably just offended 95% of the forum. o well

[Roach]

They want to focus on creating larger grills.

Kev

[jing]

seems like the age of affordable sporty cars is gone
no more rsx, prelude, new eclipse is a fat ass, no 240sx

Hyundai Genesis

... and the upcoming Toyota/Subaru FR sports coupe, and a possible resurrection of the Nissan Silvia.

[orange7]

yet again proving honda is the gayest automobile company in the world.


i probably just offended 95% of the forum. o well

I drive a Honda, and I agree with you.

Back then they were good and creative, but now we're in a different time zone. WE WANT v8 RWD!

[asian_XL]

so that means all their cars are gonna be FWD?
hmmm the next S2000 will be FWD...

Honda is dumb. Plain and Simple...no wonder their lineup is lackluster...especially their Acura lineup...

Honda doesn't care what RS says.
if your mom insists to buy a Honda for you to go to school, what can you complain?

Honda has built a fucking solid reputation in the baby boomers' mind.
they do their research and read the feedback from the end-users.
spending money one a RWD V8, won't boost their sales a lot.

[Jackygor]

realistically, you can leave out V8...but RWD...comon mang...

[ilvtofu]

Doesn't matter if honda makes one or not, as long as RWD V8s don't die i'm fine.

[Noir]

I drive a Honda, and I agree with you.

Back then they were good and creative, but now we're in a different time zone. WE WANT v8 RWD!

Yeah the time where the economy is down, unemployment is up, and fuel prices are are never below $1 per gallon.

i guess honda will never be able to compete with the big boys...

gosh.. and i was really hopping to hear that v8

By big boys you mean the guys dependent on government bailouts for survivability?





Face it. Sporty, high powered, large displacement cars are only for niche markets. It's a smart decision for the time being. Who knows, someday if times change, maybe they'll revisit their position in those certain market niches.

[1990TSI]

Hyundai Genesis

... and the upcoming Toyota/Subaru FR sports coupe, and a possible resurrection of the Nissan Silvia.

Yep

add the new camaro, V6 mustang to affordable RWD sports coupes.

and the comment about 2000 having 'sporty cars' is a joke. in 2000 there was nothing. The japanese sports cars died when the RX-7, Supra, 300ZX and even S14 or 2G DSM stopped production in north america, so mid-late 90s. 2000 was also before the Evo or STi were here, which is about all japan had to offer until recently

It looks like the asian auto makers relized we wanted to back to the early 90s with turbo rwd sports cars and have started to set it in motion.

[Expresso]

So basically they are following what Toyota is doing.

[orange7]

Yeah the time where the economy is down, unemployment is up, and fuel prices are are never below $1 per gallon.



By big boys you mean the guys dependent on government bailouts for survivability?





Face it. Sporty, high powered, large displacement cars are only for niche markets. It's a smart decision for the time being. Who knows, someday if times change, maybe they'll revisit their position in those certain market niches.

Ya.. I totally agree with you that what Honda is doing is actually a really smart move in a business stand point. Just look at GM and its loosing profit corvette, especially in a time like this. Honda has been known for its reliability and fuel efficiency, so it's really unreasonable to make cars in those levels.

It just sucks to hear that honda has canceled the v8 and the rwd platform after the cancellation of the NSX.

Even though I understand that Honda might come out loosing money from a v8 RWD, I really want to see what vtech in a v8 can do. I'm a car enthusiastic, and even though i can't afford any of those v8 rwd cars I still want to read and admire them. However, if i'm a business man I would give mad props to Honda.

I know what i just said is selfish because there is always a chance that Honda might destroy it self from making a v8 rwd in this economical time. I'm just a little upset with all the hope I had for the NSX and the v8. You gotta admitt it too that you had actually looked forward for the NSX and v8.

[Sid Vicious]

Yeah the time where the economy is down, unemployment is up, and fuel prices are are never below $1 per gallon.



By big boys you mean the guys dependent on government bailouts for survivability?





Face it. Sporty, high powered, large displacement cars are only for niche markets. It's a smart decision for the time being. Who knows, someday if times change, maybe they'll revisit their position in those certain market niches.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-general/1465549-best-corvette-mpg.html
seems like alot of corvette drivers get 26-30 mpg. not bad by any means

[!LittleDragon]

By big boys you mean the guys dependent on government bailouts for survivability?

Face it. Sporty, high powered, large displacement cars are only for niche markets. It's a smart decision for the time being. Who knows, someday if times change, maybe they'll revisit their position in those certain market niches.


No, not the bailout duo and forget the sportscar segment...

We can all agree that Acura competes in the luxury car segment right? Well, all their competitors with the exception of maybe Audi are RWD with available V8's. Lexus, BMW, Caddy, Merc, etc... If they want to compete in this market, they should build a similar car.

[twitchyzero]

Sure the import sports compact/sports car market wasn't as strong as it used to be in the 80-90's..i still dont think it's that bad.

Toyota kinda died down first in mid 90's with the discont MR2/Supra..but the somewhat sporty cars were still around for a tad longer (celica/IS in 2000 and MR-S in mid2000). But the IS-F recently emerged.

Honda was mid 2000's if you exclude prelude/DC2R (nsx/rsx and the s2000 hasnt been updated since 06)...while the new Si emerged

nissan still had the G coupe + Z + recently GT-R

mazda lost their rx-7 while ago..but still has their rx-8 and mazdaspeed line-uup

Subbies had the STi since 04

Mitsubishi recently with Evo

Hyundai with Tiburon + recently genesis

[mr_piggy]

Honda is dumb. Plain and Simple...

Wow you are a genius! :thumbsup:

But for some unquantifiable reason, Honda has the best balance sheet by far out of all the automakers. Hmm...

[achiam]

Leaving V8/RWD is good for their company from a financial point of view.
Nobody is debating that driving V8/RWD is exciting, but given the cost of fuel and the collapsing economy, the greater part of the global population will refrain from buying and using such gas guzzlers. This is what the American auto makers failed to realize, and one of the nails in their current coffins.

[kumbo1]

not everyone is into backward technology
i know this is a car forum

Retard...

[EagleSpeaker]

"I don't think we need a classic front-engine, rear-drive car. It would be meaningless to emulate what other companies have done for more than five decades."

FWD, AWD > RWD
small efficient 16 valves I4 > American V8 2-valve pushrod
VTEC > Non-VTEC

[EagleSpeaker]

Backwards? This is a car forum.

Most car enthusiasts want RWD, we want to be able to steer with our right foot, not white knuckle the steering wheel dealing with FWD torque steer or understeer corners in AWD. I wish there were more options for smaller RWD cars like the 1-series or my C-class coupe.

As for V8s, despite the gas-mileage green hippies, many of us still think like:
http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/ricky-bobby-born-to-go-fast.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/taylor192/2-tone/Front_3.jpg?t=1248187400

[ImportPsycho]

is it cheaper to manufacture FWD?

[taylor192]

FWD, AWD > RWD
Please leave the car forum and go join a hippy safety forum.

There's a reason race cars, dragsters, ... are RWD.

[taylor192]

is it cheaper to manufacture FWD?

Kinda.

Think about how much easier it is to design a car when you don't have to worry about a driveshaft and rear diff. Anyone that's been in the rear seat of a 1-series knows how much space the driveshaft tunnel takes away from the interior.

[Marco911]

Final nail in the coffin for Acura as a "premium" brand

[shenmecar]

Leaving V8/RWD is good for their company from a financial point of view.
Nobody is debating that driving V8/RWD is exciting, but given the cost of fuel and the collapsing economy, the greater part of the global population will refrain from buying and using such gas guzzlers. This is what the American auto makers failed to realize, and one of the nails in their current coffins.

for now.........

[Sid Vicious]

"I don't think we need a classic front-engine, rear-drive car. It would be meaningless to emulate what other companies have done for more than five decades."

FWD, AWD > RWD
small efficient 16 valves I4 > American V8 2-valve pushrod
VTEC > Non-VTEC

Vtec i4s are inherently terrible engines.

having to rev to 7k to get for 160 tq? no thx.

honda has never made a car that is even on the same lvl as a zr1. or even a z06, or even a reg vette

[jlenko]

So.. Honda finally admits they don't make performance cars? Maybe the ricer fanbois will stop trying to race everyone in their Civics.

[!LittleDragon]

Leaving V8/RWD is good for their company from a financial point of view.
Nobody is debating that driving V8/RWD is exciting, but given the cost of fuel and the collapsing economy, the greater part of the global population will refrain from buying and using such gas guzzlers. This is what the American auto makers failed to realize, and one of the nails in their current coffins.

But what the general public failed to realize is that the American auto makers have several models that have good mileage and more are on their way. Selling cars isn't a problem, last year the second best selling brand was Chevy behind Toyota.

[EagleSpeaker]

Please leave the car forum and go join a hippy safety forum.

There's a reason race cars, dragsters, ... are RWD.

it's not like your little Kompressor is any better
silly ricer

[EagleSpeaker]

qhzyBSQmb_c
:(

[sonick]

OMFG IT GOES FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE!!!

Put down that power on a track on a FWD and see how fast it is.

[jeff_alexander]

http://rawautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/08_c63amg_front.jpg

FWD sucks, case closed

[ilvtofu]

Understeer into the wall :)
And besides that engine sounds like crap...

I agree with what's been said about honda even bothering with this segment, they're hopeless trying to sell a performance V8, they should really work on their V6s though and try to produce the same power with the same fuel economy as their competitors.
All they have now is their 4 bangers in Canada that are actually decent competitive engines...

[jeff_alexander]

"Asking the front wheels of a car to do the normal job of steering while handling, lets say, more than 170 bhp, is like asking a man to wire a plug while juggling..... penguins..... while making love... to a beautiful woman, while on fire, on stage, in front of the queen."

Best said

[taylor192]

it's not like your little Kompressor is any better
silly ricer

At the time it was better than any Acura or Lexus.

[Blinky]

Ya.. I totally agree with you that what Honda is doing is actually a really smart move in a business stand point.[quote]

Absolutely. A civic can be sold, in quantity, in North America, and much of Asia, Europe, Australia and South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_civic#International_marketing_and_platform_d erivatives)

A Camaro or Mustang-type car can be sold in quantity in... North America (Maybe! The Camaro was shitcanned for a reason!) and probably Australia.

[quote]Even though I understand that Honda might come out loosing money from a v8 RWD, I really want to see what vtech in a v8 can do.

VTAK isn't the end all and be-all. There are already a number of small-displacement, high-revving DOHC V8 engines that tell you what can be done with that type of engine (4L v8 in the E92 M3; 4.3l V8 in the Ferrari F430). VTAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaK isn't going to be incredibly better.

is it cheaper to manufacture FWD?

Yes. Material costs are lower as the car is lighter, more efficient, and has fewer moving parts.

[q0192837465]

But I always thot Acura is meant to compete with premium brands. Buy by the way it looks, it's still a par under Lexus/Infiniti. Seriously. Lexus/Infiniti is upscale. Acura is nothing but the rebadged Honda.

[orange7]

[quote=orange7;6516085]

VTAK isn't the end all and be-all. There are already a number of small-displacement, high-revving DOHC V8 engines that tell you what can be done with that type of engine (4L v8 in the E92 M3; 4.3l V8 in the Ferrari F430). VTAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaK isn't going to be incredibly better.


I also want to see other car manufactures bringing up new v8 as well.. I don't just want to see a honda v8. I want to see v8, v10, etc from all companies, even thought it will mean a loss for them in a business stand.
I think you've misunderstood me. I love the v8 sound from a Ferrari, and I would never want ferrari to stop making v8.
I was only pointing specifically at Honda because this thread is about Honda. LOL

[Meowjin]

[quote=Blinky;6516594]

I also want to see other car manufactures bringing up new v8 as well.. I don't just want to see a honda v8. I want to see v8, v10, etc from all companies, even thought it will mean a loss for them in a business stand.
I think you've misunderstood me. I love the v8 sound from a Ferrari, and I would never want ferrari to stop making v8.
I was only pointing specifically at Honda because this thread is about Honda. LOL

lol...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing

vtech is nothing but marketing... just like hemi.

[Blinky]

lol...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing

vtech is nothing but marketing... just like hemi.

Please attribute quotations correctly. Thanks :)

That said, you are correct. Though initially, I believe that VTAAAAAAAAAAaaaK was unique in that it did timing, lift and duration all in one system. The other mfgs have caught up now.

[Meowjin]

yeah ment to do it on orange7

[orange7]

yeah ment to do it on orange7

:bowdown:

[orange7]

Seriously, am I the only one who is upset that the NSX AND the v8 engine has been canceled by Honda? Then again, I wouldn't be upset if Honda had never announced developing them.

Oh, this goes for any other car manufactures as well.
If nissan had stopped the development on the R35, I would be upset but not pissed.

[asahai69]

honda has always been, and continue to be the most boring auto manufacturer in this world.

[Noir]

Seriously, am I the only one who is upset that the NSX AND the v8 engine has been canceled by Honda?

Yeah, because considering the age & economical demographic of the members that comprise this site, only a small margin of members would've actually made use of brand new real high end sports (or exotic) cars.

Now if a certain auto manufacturer were to say, it will cease their R&D to hybrid, electric, or alternate fuel engines everyone would be more up in arms as its more of a technology that everyone will someday benefit from. (or should benefit from at least).

[Ludepower]

Is it just me or does Honda take a lot of bad mouthing on RS. I know a lot of punks drive Honda...but do we need to bash a company that builds good cars?

We're in a recession...it's a business decision...compared to other companies...Honda is doing better....by sticking to their core values.

[Jackygor]

Is it just me or does Honda take a lot of bad mouthing on RS. I know a lot of punks drive Honda...but do we need to bash a company that builds good cars?

We're in a recession...it's a business decision...compared to other companies...Honda is doing better....by sticking to their core values.

You should go this this thread on acurazine

http://www.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396703&page=10

Its funny the amount of bashing they do on acura...on an acura forum! LOL

[orange7]

Even though I understand that Honda might come out loosing money from a v8 RWD, I really want to see what vtech in a v8 can do. I'm a car enthusiastic, and even though i can't afford any of those v8 rwd cars I still want to read and admire them. However, if i'm a business man I would give mad props to Honda.

I know what i just said is selfish because there is always a chance that Honda might destroy it self from making a v8 rwd in this economical time. I'm just a little upset with all the hope I had for the NSX and the v8. You gotta admitt it too that you had actually looked forward for the NSX and v8.

Yeah, because considering the age & economical demographic of the members that comprise this site, only a small margin of members would've actually made use of brand new real high end sports (or exotic) cars.

Now if a certain auto manufacturer were to say, it will cease their R&D to hybrid, electric, or alternate fuel engines everyone would be more up in arms as its more of a technology that everyone will someday benefit from. (or should benefit from at least).

I've never said anything about ppl on this site being able to afford those cars or not. Besides, v8 and rwd doesn't have to be used in high end sports (or exotic) cars. Although it's going to cost a lot to put one in a regular honda, I think it's a good option to have for the Honda Ridgeline. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure most of us will like to see and be able to afford a rwd RSX/integra if it's offered here. Now let's move away being able to afford v8 and RWD technology. The Acura lineup needs to have some sort of performance that differs it from Honda. Afterall, Acura is a premium brand (well not really). I think it will be cool to have the ZDX offered in a vtec v6 and a vtec v8 as well as sh-rwd and sh-awd. That would be some "interesting" news to read about.

[impactX]

Ignore teh troll.

Anyway, put 2 F20C blocks together and they could make a V8 with over 400hp.

[Meowjin]

im getitng rid of my tl and getting a g8 g2

[Quickshifter]

RWD FTW

but V8s are just optional, Honda doesn't really need V8s really....

[roastpuff]

honda has always been, and continue to be the most boring auto manufacturer in this world.

Sorry, that's Toyota. Seriously, they don't have a sporting model anymore... not even in the sport-compact segment.

Corolla XRS - seriously!? :eek::confused:

[twitchyzero]

^
IS-F

[roastpuff]

^
IS-F

Toyota not Lexus. Lexus has sporty cars. asahai said Honda, not Acura, so I'm comparing Honda to Toyota.

[asahai69]

^ its the same shit different pile. acura is the same dam thing as honda. just a little nicer on the inside. lol. Toyota the company made the IS-F. Honda made a supercar back in the 90s. then made a shittier version later on. atleast toyota had the supra and now has the IS-F. i am biased tho cuz i would never really look into buyin a japanese car. but i would totally buy a toyota before i buy a honda. to me. therye the exact same thing but toyota has always been a step or two ahead of honda.




honda does make good lawnmower engines tho. gota give them that!

[orange7]

honda does make good lawnmower engines tho. gota give them that!

and technically speaking, those honda lawnmovers are sorta like RWD since you're pushing from behind. LOL

[CivicTypeRice]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3357/3623357574_dda8725ba9_o.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

honda has always been, and continue to be the most boring auto manufacturer in this world.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


ya ok



dodge and kia makes the most exciting cars around the world right?

they dominate the market

[sonick]

Dodge Viper, Challenger, Charger?

Even the Kia Soul has more character than most of Honda's lineup.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

the above statement make it sound like DC2 , s2k, B16 SIR, DC5 R, and NSX were all shitty cars that was at the buttom of the car manufacture during its time. That cant race shit around the track nor keep up with other competitors car around the track.

[sonick]

make it sound like DC2 R , s2k, B16 SIR, DC5 R , NSX were all at the buttom of the food chain were it once was all CRAP car that cant race shit nor keep up with other competitors car around the track at its time

I cannot comprehend this post.

[SpuGen]

Can your Honda do this?
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[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:confused:

did you miss s2k and NSX?

[wasabisashimi]

Tell me how is it that hyundai is able to create a RWD genesis coupe with budget pricing, while honda can only make FWD civic SI or designing huge grill plates for Acura.

I drive a Honda myself, I like my car. But Honda as a company isnt exciting anymore.

[Ilagon]

Seriously, am I the only one who is upset that the NSX AND the v8 engine has been canceled by Honda? Then again, I wouldn't be upset if Honda had never announced developing them.

Oh, this goes for any other car manufactures as well.
If nissan had stopped the development on the R35, I would be upset but not pissed.

I'm kinda upset with cancellation of the NSX. I wanted them to resurrect it and at the same time stay true to its platform (mid-engine, RWD). When the concept came out, it was still nice but lost the "soul" of the NSX. They should've developed the HSC.

http://www.photospecials.net/albums/AS23/Acura_HSC.jpg

They didn't rule out an AWD V10 NSX. Haha...Veyron competition!!

[AzNightmare]

I'm kinda upset with cancellation of the NSX. I wanted them to resurrect it and at the same time stay true to its platform (mid-engine, RWD). When the concept came out, it was still nice but lost the "soul" of the NSX. They should've developed the HSC.

http://www.photospecials.net/albums/AS23/Acura_HSC.jpg

They didn't rule out an AWD V10 NSX. Haha...Veyron competition!!

The HSC was really nice. Got me really excited to tell me that they cancelled it, and instead, had a front engine/AWD concept. But now they canned that one too...:(

[asahai69]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


ya ok



dodge and kia makes the most exciting cars around the world right?

they dominate the market

the fact that you compared dodge to honda just makes me laugh. yeah man. vipers/viper trucks/srt-8 chargers and challengers/srt-4 cobalt are sooo fucking boring compared to any honda vehicle.

but then again. i have never got the same boner you do when ur V-TEC kicks in and your doing 85 in 5th gear revving at 6000rpm!!!!! that must be some feeling. i totally envy you

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

and i shall envy you when your piece of shit 90s mercedes plateform falls apart on the side of the road



reliablity ever heard? guess not thats why you got a 300C

[Quicktrade]

I guess this is Honda's style.....FWD VTEC YO...

[penner2k]

It shows that all Honda cares about is making money. They figure out exactly what will sell the most and that is all they build.

I'd say VW is one of the coolest car companies for one reason... Bugatti..
They are losing so much money building that car but they did it just to say they could do it (I know Bugatti isnt VW.. but its owned by VW so pretty much VW is paying the bill..)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

penner


every company is in for the money, if they werent than what are they in for? charity? whatever sells, they make more and target the consumers


with this shitty economy, the automobile's focus right now would be something more fuel efficient. V10 / v12 really wouldnt be practical nor something 450hp +. Hence why a lot of smaller 4 banger are still running around. Yaris, Fit, Versa, Sentra, Smart car, and minis

[asahai69]

and i shall envy you when your piece of shit 90s mercedes plateform falls apart on the side of the road



reliablity ever heard? guess not thats why you got a 300C

3 years of driving this thing hard and it has never given me a problem. but hey when it does fall apart. ill be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy farther down the road than an rsx. if i wanted a vehicle that i planned to drive 10+ years. ill buy a civic for sure. but i dont see that happening anytime in the future.

seriously though. you do have to keep ur revs at 5500rpm to get up hills right??????

[Gt-R R34]

Even the veyron's for money.
It's the technology that bugatti develops that helps the company makes money in the future.

It's call R&D.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

quit being a sarcastic pig :rolleyes: 3000-3500rpm if that satisfy your needs




i do admite honda doesnt make exciting cars like they use to. Now it is boring as fuck, and i assure myself my next one will definitely not be a honda

like i mentioned, the trends of this automobile scene seems to be whatever the crowd wants/afford. And not everyone can afford 90-100 dollar per fill on 92 octane.

with the integra gone, s2000, nsx. Honda really doesnt have much left. Same with toyota. They dropped the celica and supra (mr2?)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

3 years of driving this thing hard and it has never given me a problem. but hey when it does fall apart. ill be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy farther down the road than an rsx. if i wanted a vehicle that i planned to drive 10+ years. ill buy a civic for sure. but i dont see that happening anytime in the future.

seriously though. you do have to keep ur revs at 5500rpm to get up hills right??????

hence why i recommand people to lease or extend warranty if they go american or german, saves the repair bill and hassel.


IF they plan to keep the car anywhere from 5-15 years? jap would be a better and safer choice.


Honestly, lots of relatives and friends among me had numerous problems with A4, A6, ML, X5, 7 series etc

[penner2k]

penner


every company is in for the money, if they werent than what are they in for? charity? whatever sells, they make more and target the consumers


with this shitty economy, the automobile's focus right now would be something more fuel efficient. V10 / v12 really wouldnt be practical nor something 450hp +. Hence why a lot of smaller 4 banger are still running around. Yaris, Fit, Versa, Sentra, Smart car, and minis

What I'm saying is that they arent doing anything unique to stand out.. if its not gonna make them a bunch of money they dont do it..
I'm not saying they shouldnt be trying to make money..
Just most brands have a "cool" car that sorta stands out that they dont really make much money from but they make it anyways..

[asahai69]

penner


every company is in for the money, if they werent than what are they in for? charity? whatever sells, they make more and target the consumers


with this shitty economy, the automobile's focus right now would be something more fuel efficient. V10 / v12 really wouldnt be practical nor something 450hp +. Hence why a lot of smaller 4 banger are still running around. Yaris, Fit, Versa, Sentra, Smart car, and minis

ok there buddy. your tappin your fingers on your keyboard without thinking shit through first. dudes arent buying v10/v12 engines with 450+ hp for practical reasons. hence why honda will keep on making 4 bangers. its practical family vehicles that have the majority of sales. hence the reason why honda will be the most boring fucking auto company in the world. and exactly why honda will also be one of the most profitable auto companies of the world.





they dont sell as many vehicles as the do for being dumb asses.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

What I'm saying is that they arent doing anything unique to stand out.. if its not gonna make them a bunch of money they dont do it..
I'm not saying they shouldnt be trying to make money..
Just most brands have a "cool" car that sorta stands out that they dont really make much money from but they make it anyways..

ic what you are saying now

ok there buddy. your tappin your fingers on your keyboard without thinking shit through first. dudes arent buying v10/v12 engines with 450+ hp for practical reasons. hence why honda will keep on making 4 bangers. its practical family vehicles that have the majority of sales. hence the reason why honda will be the most boring fucking auto company in the world. and exactly why honda will also be one of the most profitable auto companies of the world.



they dont sell as many vehicles as the do for being dumb asses.

wtf, you bash honda in the first place because they make boring cars.

Now i said if Honda continued with their original route like their NSX project would it still be boring as FUCK and it was gonna be a V10 with 550hp??
Isnt the reason why Toyota and NIssan didnt get labeled boring as fuck category by you because they have IS-F and GTR?

[SpuGen]

quit being a sarcastic pig :rolleyes: 3000-3500rpm if that satisfy your needs




i do admite honda doesnt make exciting cars like they use to. Now it is boring as fuck, and i assure myself my next one will definitely not be a honda

like i mentioned, the trends of this automobile scene seems to be whatever the crowd wants/afford. And not everyone can afford 90-100 dollar per fill on 92 octane.

with the integra gone, s2000, nsx. Honda really doesnt have much left. Same with toyota. They dropped the celica and supra (mr2?)

My 4.0L V8 with RWD Lexus gets up Boundary at 2000rpms barely touching the throttle, and it's still gaining speed. For an engine that was developed during the 80's and released in 89, I get about 400 to the tank at $70 worth of 91. Vtec what?

You forget that theres still the IS and the SC430.

Acura will get nowhere fast without V8 and RWD.
Look at Lexus, the pinnacle of Luxury Japanese cars. Started with V8 and RWD, and sticking with it all the way through. Even Infiniti and Hyundai are following suit.

[Tapioca]

Toyota is probably the most boring car maker from Japan, not Honda. But, boring is what the market wants, I guess.

Acura lost its way in the mid-1990s; the brand was no longer the same once they ditched the names and went to alpha-numeric designations. I have had the chance to drive both the Legend and Vigor (a 6-speed Type-II coupe and a 5-speed GS respectively) in the last month - great cars even today.

The current Acuras are an abomination with horrible styling.

[Jackygor]

ok there buddy. your tappin your fingers on your keyboard without thinking shit through first. dudes arent buying v10/v12 engines with 450+ hp for practical reasons. hence why honda will keep on making 4 bangers. its practical family vehicles that have the majority of sales. hence the reason why honda will be the most boring fucking auto company in the world. and exactly why honda will also be one of the most profitable auto companies of the world.





they dont sell as many vehicles as the do for being dumb asses.

I know I am comparing apples and oranges here, but Porsche makes hell a lot of money from each car, but they are still fun to drive.

[Noir]

Toyota is probably the most boring car maker from Japan, not Honda. But, boring is what the market wants, I guess.

Uuuuuh no.

1. Boring is not what the market wants. Its efficiency and value. You've only translated fact to opinion for the convenience of trashing a label that is not of your preference.

2. If you only cared to look further from what you see in a dealership showroom and delve deeper into its automotive history, you'd realize you couldn't be further from the truth; And i'm not just talking what consisted their previous lineup as well (Supra, MR2, AWD Celica) but their various participation in automotive competition as well; F1, Rally (and Lemans IIRC).

[twitchyzero]

haha
mugen and asahi both make great points, but are so blinded by their stubborn fanboyism.

apparently honda admitted that they were losing money on ever DC2R they sold from the first production to its discontinuation.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

My 4.0L V8 with RWD Lexus gets up Boundary at 2000rpms barely touching the throttle, and it's still gaining speed. For an engine that was developed during the 80's and released in 89, I get about 400 to the tank at $70 worth of 91. Vtec what?

You forget that theres still the IS and the SC430.

Acura will get nowhere fast without V8 and RWD.
Look at Lexus, the pinnacle of Luxury Japanese cars. Started with V8 and RWD, and sticking with it all the way through. Even Infiniti and Hyundai are following suit.

NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!!!

now you wonna compare 4 banger with v8? why not compare ur v8 with V12 6.3 AMg engine and how it lacks of torque because it doesnt fucking produce 600 pounds of torque? i bet it goes up the hill at 1500rpm at 7th gear auto
name a fucking 4 banger that can climb up SFU without having it to rev up at 3000rpm and still maintain 85km

mazda 3? nope, 8th gen civci? nope, celica GTS? nope, altima 2.5? nope


apple vs apple please

name a 4 banger that makes greater than 160 pounds of torque N/A!!!!

jesus fuck

was NSX ever slow? no 12.8 1/4 mile stock

was DC5 ever tat slow? no not really, best stock can hit 14.5

IS genesis 2.0T stock for stock faster than DC5 with its turbo? no

with simple bolt on and kpro 13.5-13.8 is doable.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

haha
mugen and asahi both make great points, but are so blinded by their stubborn fanboyism.

apparently honda admitted that they were losing money on ever DC2R they sold from the first production to its discontinuation.

fanboism? maybe, soso i dont know


i just cant support a company that can barely keep itself above the ocean to survive, yet still able to make great reliable products? hell they cant even pay their staffs properly

[Lomac]

1. Boring is not what the market wants. Its efficiency and value. You've only translated fact to opinion for the convenience of trashing a label that is not of your preference.

Unfortunately "efficiency and value" typically tends to equate to "boring." Look at most of the cheap, fuel efficient models out there. Ignoring their top end and sporty models, base and mid-level cars such as the Fit, Yaris, Echo, Aveo, Civic, Versa, City Golf/Jetta and the like all have such plain and average styling on both the inside and outside.

Face it, that's what the majority of people want: Base and mid-level trims. If you're looking at the sport models of those cars, then efficiency most likely isn't your top priority. Value, mayhaps, but not MPG.

2. If you only cared to look further from what you see in a dealership showroom and delve deeper into its automotive history, you'd realize you couldn't be further from the truth; And i'm not just talking what consisted their previous lineup as well (Supra, MR2, AWD Celica) but their various participation in automotive competition as well; F1, Rally (and Lemans IIRC).

Don't forget NASCAR for Toyota... :lol

[time_traveller]

Good move by Honda, V8's and RWD aren't needed on the roads unless they are in a big work truck or van. I look forward to see what they do with the upcoming CR-Z and the 9th gen civic.

[wasabisashimi]

the fact that you compared dodge to honda just makes me laugh. yeah man. vipers/viper trucks/srt-8 chargers and challengers/srt-4 cobalt are sooo fucking boring compared to any honda vehicle.

but then again. i have never got the same boner you do when ur V-TEC kicks in and your doing 85 in 5th gear revving at 6000rpm!!!!! that must be some feeling. i totally envy you

this is turning into a fightclub type of debate!, I guess the consequences of making too many exciting cars like corvette, SRT-8, Viper, CTS-V, and 100 differnet model v8/v10 SUV/trucks = Bankruptcy, and needing government bail-out support.

Honda has changed their brand image completely which is why the majority of RS member will turn to BMW or other more fresh looking companies for their future car shopping, assuming money/fuel economy isn't a critiria.

The only other economical brand that makes a V8 is hyundai genesis. To market and compete with other luxury V8's will be too difficult for Honda i guess.

[asahai69]

wtf, you bash honda in the first place because they make boring cars.

Now i said if Honda continued with their original route like their NSX project would it still be boring as FUCK and it was gonna be a V10 with 550hp??
Isnt the reason why Toyota and NIssan didnt get labeled boring as fuck category by you because they have IS-F and GTR?

honda makes good cars. but theyre fucking boring. i dunno how you argue with that. and ya. toyota and nissan took a chance. a chance that honda will probably not take in the near future.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

the above statement i can live with it

:thumbsup::D

[!LittleDragon]

this is turning into a fightclub type of debate!, I guess the consequences of making too many exciting cars like corvette, SRT-8, Viper, CTS-V, and 100 differnet model v8/v10 SUV/trucks = Bankruptcy, and needing government bail-out support.


Actually, overpaying their workers, over the top benefits and retirement packages are what led to the bankruptcy. GM has no problem moving cars, Chevy was the second best selling brand behind Toyota last year. It's not that people aren't buying their cars, it's because they're not making money from the cars they sold.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0901/gallery.2009_winners_losers/3.html

[jeff_alexander]

NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!!!

now you wonna compare 4 banger with v8? why not compare ur v8 with V12 6.3 AMg engine and how it lacks of torque because it doesnt fucking produce 600 pounds of torque? i bet it goes up the hill at 1500rpm at 7th gear auto
name a fucking 4 banger that can climb up SFU without having it to rev up at 3000rpm and still maintain 85km

mazda 3? nope, 8th gen civci? nope, celica GTS? nope, altima 2.5? nope


apple vs apple please

name a 4 banger that makes greater than 160 pounds of torque N/A!!!!

jesus fuck

was NSX ever slow? no 12.8 1/4 mile stock

was DC5 ever tat slow? no not really, best stock can hit 14.5

IS genesis 2.0T stock for stock faster than DC5 with its turbo? no

with simple bolt on and kpro 13.5-13.8 is doable.

Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.

[wasabisashimi]

Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.

Tell that to the president of Honda corp. Why don't they build any turbos?

[roastpuff]

Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.

He said N/A = naturally aspirated. That's how you get torque out of 4-bangers... force-feed them.

Otherwise I can't recall a non-diesel 4-cylinder engine with 160+lb/ft of torque.

Honda would argue against turbos for complexity and reliability reasons, I think. That's why they've almost always gone N/A.

[Jackygor]

honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV...

[roastpuff]

honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV...

Whoops, I forgot about the RDX. :haha:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.

hmmm


wow really??


:rolleyes:

[impactX]

Looking at how Honda quit F1 because of their epic fail management, I won't expect them to make anything exciting.

[orange7]

^
they make exciting motor bikes and lawn cutting machines, and i'm pretty sure they will continue to make them.

[impactX]

Cos they are still sort of competitive in MotoGP and their 600cc bikes still make them money.

[asahai69]

honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV...

now imagine they put that into a civic. im sure alot of ppl would buy that. that car would be fuckin quick and fun to drive. minus the torque steer.

[Hakkaboy]

out of curiousity, how many non Honda owners here would buy a RWD V8 Honda? How many would be able to afford it?

ain't going to be cheap, thats for damn sure

oh, and if the answer is NO to any of the above questions, then you shouldn't really bash Honda for not making one.

[Noir]

now imagine they put that into a civic. im sure alot of ppl would buy that. that car would be fuckin quick and fun to drive. minus the torque steer.

No.

That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.

[asahai69]

No.

That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.

this is revscene. im sure alot of people did not buy the vehicles they're driving. oh ya. i forgot to add that they should put that engine in a civic and make that the Si. costs shouldnt be that high compared to the price of the Si they have now.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

No.

That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.

at least tats the price people are paying for mazda 3 and neon , wait SRT-4, WRX


I guess EVO is just another Lancer with turbo than

:rolleyes:

[svelt]

Good on Honda, this matches their niche and image well.

On the other hand, might as well scrap Acura completely and merge with Honda while they're at it, as they're cranking out some incredibly shitty and ugly vehicles of late and it doesn't look like it will get any better.

[twitchyzero]

No.

That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.

RSX was ~33k
so is the CSX-S give or take

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

RSX was ~33k
so is the CSX-S give or take

werd



and WRX was around $32g back than when it was first introduced in canada back in 01 i believe. So who in their right mind would pay nearly $8g more for a base impreze 2.5 RS:rolleyes: just turbo yourself right?

[synchrocone]

I think subcontractors at times should be able to bridge between customers and big company if you will. Mitani`s first drive of the lhd NSX type_R should silence some. I wouldnt exactly call it an akuta same, but not bad at all.