[StylinRed]

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - According to Burnaby RCMP the Vancouver Police officer has been charged with one count of sexual assault the other for incest. Inspector Mario Giardini with VPD's Professional Standards Section says they learned of the arrest Thursday. They are staying very tight-lipped about the case but are calling the charges very serious.

A publication ban is in place, which prevents the media from releasing the officer's name or anyone involved.

The man is reportedly a long-serving member of the force. Burnaby Mounties say the incident happened sometime between July 31st and August 1st.

Keep it locked on News1130 as we'll bring you the very latest on this developing story.

http://news1130.com/more.jsp?content=20090814_160011_3224




METRO VANCOUVER -- A long-serving Vancouver police officer has been charged with incest and sexual assault after being arrested by Burnaby RCMP officers Thursday afternoon.

The male officer was arrested in south Burnaby after a tip led Mounties to investigate allegations of sexual assault, said Burnaby RCMP Sgt. Jane Baptista.

Mounties started investigating the officer last week, Baptista said. The alleged sexual assault occurred between July 31 and August 1.

Charges of one count of sexual assault and one count of incest were sworn against the man on Friday morning.

Baptista said incest was a rare charge and involves sexual relations with a blood-relative.

"According to Section 155 of the Criminal Code, everyone commits incest knowing another person is by blood relationship his or her parent, child, brother, sister, grandparent or grandchild, and as the case may be, has sexual intercourse with that person. Brother and sister, respectively, include half-brother and half-sister," Baptista said.

"As you can see from that, it does not pertain to any specific age group, sex or anything else," she said.

Baptista said she did not know if the officer had any previous run-ins with the law.

The Vancouver Police Department immediately suspended the officer with pay according to the Police Act. The department has the option of suspending pay after 30 days.

The department's professional standards section will be shadowing the RCMP's criminal investigation.

"The VPD considers the nature of the offense to be very serious and abhors the actions attributed to this member," said Insp. Mario Giardini from the Vancouver police department's professional standards section. Vancouver police department officials would not say how long the officer had been serving or which division he worked in.

The RCMP are not releasing any further details about the identities of anyone involved in the case due to a strict publication ban.

"At this point we are not allowed to say any names or give any information to do with the people involved," Baptista said. "That's quite common in many, many sexual assault cases. It's usually in order to protect the victims and any revictimization of anybody associated with [the case]."

The male will appear in Vancouver Provincial Court in September.

rtebrake@vancouversun.com
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+police+officer+arrested+sexual+assault+i ncest/1894340/story.html


:eek::eek:


creepy

[rubencruz]

im not surprised

[Gh0stRider]

stupid ass cops

[JHatta]

fuck that noise.

release that fucker's name. He better not get paid suspension.


Wait, of course he will.

[SoulCrusher]

^^they've already confirmed he's on paid suspension.

Im sure the next family gathering is gonna be awkward

[Benz_05TSX]

I doubt this is the first time...

[InvisibleSoul]

The city's finest.

[JulyZerg]

wow...what...the..fuck...

[threezero]

learn in law class. the incest law specifically said sex so you can kiss/fondle your sister or watever as long as you stay on first and second base your A OK.

third base is debatable.

[StylinRed]

learn in law class. the incest law specifically said sex so you can kiss/fondle your sister or watever as long as you stay on first and second base your A OK.

third base is debatable.

you're right in that they cant be charged with incest but they can still be charged with a whole slew of other charges


Incest 155. (1) Every one commits incest who,
knowing that another person is by blood relationship
his or her parent, child, brother, sister,
grandparent or grandchild, as the case may be,
has sexual intercourse with that person.


Sexual intercourse (5) For the purposes of this Act, sexual intercourse
is complete on penetration to even the
slightest degree, notwithstanding that seed is
not emitted.

[BNR32_Coupe]

i've been searched in the wrongest way by a vpd officer before. i can confirm that there is at least 1 homosexual VPD officer in the force.

[Vansterdam]

fuck the police

seen cops jack stashes for personal use

also seen cops do illegal search and seizures

[StylinRed]

seen cops jack stashes for personal use


i've seen that too during volunteering at the dtes


i heard from the locals though that they use it as "cash" for prostitutes

[SkinnyPupp]

THIS IS NEWS BECAUSE HE IS A COP! HE IS A PERVERT SO ALL COPS ARE PERVERTS! ALL COPS MUST DIEEEEEEEEE

[threezero]

you're right in that they cant be charged with incest but they can still be charged with a whole slew of other charges

interesting it just say penetration so it can be penetration with anything. i guess third base is out of question, so is the flashlight

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

gay fuking cop

[!Tigger]

wow.. thats gross

[ws6ta]

i hope he goes to jail for a long time and enjoys getting his ass kicked and fucked over and over again

[seakrait]

just as an aside, i'd like to point out that there was no mention of the sex of the relative that was sexually assaulted... so all the "gay" references are premature.

but yes, this is a pretty horrific thing to have happen no matter the circumstances... if he's proven to be guilty.

[scenerev]

c'mon yall know how this will end.




10 days conditional sentence to be served at home, because he's been an outstanding member in the community.

[Gh0stRider]

Vancouver finest.... pieces of shit

[00EM1]

What bigger and more powerful gang do you know in vancouver than the VPD

[DJ Milk]

I was waching CTV and they found some info that the cop was having sex with his sister while she was passed out :5shots:

Here's the video from the news
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090814/bc_cop_sexual_assault_charge_090814/20090814/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

[Harvey Specter]

I was waching CTV and they found some info that the cop was having sex with his sister while she was passed out :5shots:

Here's the video from the news
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090814/bc_cop_sexual_assault_charge_090814/20090814/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Wow, :Puke:


I love how they protect this guys name because he's a cop. Release his name or stop fucking paying him.

[124Y]

This is what they do besides eating donuts and handing out speeding tickets.

[d1]

This is why you don't drink with your siblings.

[seakrait]

I love how they protect this guys name because he's a cop. Release his name or stop fucking paying him.

it has nothing to do with him being a cop. if it was some regular joe having incestuous sex with his sister, there still would be a publication ban because once you give out his name (unfortunately, accused/guilty parties still have some personal privacy given to them), you, by inference, give out the name of his sister (the victim) and that's a real invasion of HER privacy.

furthermore, it's not the police necessarily that are withholding the cop's name. it's the judge that issued the publication ban. happens more often than not in sexual assault cases where the victim and the accused know one another or are related in some way...

as for being on paid administrative leave, he has yet to be proven guilty... but this seems pretty much open/shut... if you believe the sister (but she would have no real reason to lie).

This is why you don't drink with your siblings.
hahahhaha... :p

[JSALES]

that's fucked. i wonder if he was a native? i've actually never seen a native cop though

[hirevtuner]

messed up stuff
throw that pos in a cell and have the prisoners rape him around the clock

[SoulCrusher]

Id imagine the girl involved is smoking hot considering even her brother wanted to fuck her

[StylinRed]

if you really want to know his name you can go in the courtroom when theres an appearance and get his name

[The7even]

You guys are so right to bash the cops. When they do something wrong , we need to hold all of them accountable.

How fucking dare they have human flaws? I say we burn them at the stake.

[StylinRed]

raping your sister.... a human flaw.... hmm how dare people who murder people get jailed for having a more common human flaw.... lets rise up brothers and sisters and go and rescue all our brethern from thine prisons!!


psycho

[Sid Vicious]

You guys are so right to bash the cops. When they do something wrong , we need to hold all of them accountable.

How fucking dare they have human flaws? I say we burn them at the stake.

Human flaws are like leaving the milk carton out or not taking the trash out.

Fucking your passed out sister kinda goes beyond a human flaw

[SeanJohn]

You guys are so right to bash the cops. When they do something wrong , we need to hold all of them accountable.

How fucking dare they have human flaws? I say we burn them at the stake.

People choose to become LEOs right? Would you not expect someone familiar with the law to be held to a higher standard?

LEOs do have the power to arrest and they do carry weapons, would you not want that person to abide by the laws they choose to uphold?

When LEOs let their human flaws get in the way of them properly doing their jobs there is a potential for people to die. Their position in our society requires them, how unfair it may be, to always act professionally. With the amount of difficulty to get into the profession and the amount of training they receive, of course they should be held to a higher standard.

I would agree that burning them at the stake is going overboard. But it is in society's best interest that LEOs that commit crimes are processed by the system just like everyone else. This way people will at least have some faith in the justice system, no matter how flawed it is.

[The7even]

People choose to become LEOs right? Would you not expect someone familiar with the law to be held to a higher standard?

LEOs do have the power to arrest and they do carry weapons, would you not want that person to abide by the laws they choose to uphold?

When LEOs let their human flaws get in the way of them properly doing their jobs there is a potential for people to die. Their position in our society requires them, how unfair it may be, to always act professionally. With the amount of difficulty to get into the profession and the amount of training they receive, of course they should be held to a higher standard.

I would agree that burning them at the stake is going overboard. But it is in society's best interest that LEOs that commit crimes are processed by the system just like everyone else. This way people will at least have some faith in the justice system, no matter how flawed it is.

Since most of you are too ignorant to understand ill explain it .

I didn't say "hey, lets give him a slap on the wrist". What I was hinting at with that sarcastic sentence was your tendency to yell out fuck the cops as soon as one of them does something. Furthermore, most of you hold them to impossible standards. You tie their hands and then criticize them for whenever anything goes wrong. You're all quick to bash them for the slightest thing that does awry but not once do you stop to think that maybe they're human.

Yes, the cop in this case is in the wrong but we don't need your hypocritical bullshit unfairly painting all officers of the law under the same light as this guy.
Most of you spend your time hunting jail bait pics on RS anyway.

Lastly, the point I was trying to make is , shut the fuck up, it's one man, his profession happens to be Law enforcement, the issues he had and who he was before becoming a police officer did not change upon receiving the badge. So crucify the man, I don't care, but don't crucify the whole department. Morons.

Edit: The insults in my reply were not directed at you specifically , SeanJohn, but rather the whole RS community as a whole.

[Noir]

:facepalm: @ this thread.

This thread is really about "anti-police" than it is "anti-incest".

[iEatClams]

I'm not a cop-hater or anything. I think the majority of cops are great people.

My only beef with police officers is that when they CLEARLY fucked up, they don't get fired, but instead get suspension, with PAY, wasting tax payers dollars. Why not fire them? This will send a message that they are not above the law and can be punished as well.

I think what's happening is that when a cop turns out to be a bad apple, and he's not punished appropriately, the public believes that there must be more bad apples in the force that are protecting "their own", and thus the entire reputation of the force goes down with the few bad cops.

Now, if they were to fire the cop, and then clearly state that this behaviour will not be tolerated and that this is not what the force stands for, and that anyone who does not represent the image of the force will be severely punished, then they might change their reputation as good cops that don't defend bad ones.

When they're not punishing the bad cops, it ruins the entire departments reputation.

The other problem is that there are too many cop-haters that will get hyped up everytime a cop doesn't something that can be intrepreted as incorrect behaviour and start bashing cops for nothing. Cops are human, and can make mistakes.

Then you got the Pig nut huggers and family of police officers that defend cops to their grave, even though some cops are fucking wrong. Yes, they're human, and can make mistakes, but sometimes it's just clear that they clearly fucked up big time. If you think the job is too tough, then don't apply.

Like honestly, if they can't do their job properly, fire them and hire a better one, don't bring down the reputation of the force because of a few dumbasses.

Improving the reputation of police officers also inspires more kids to become police officers. They need to bring back that "we're the good guys" image and kinda change their brand. Right now not many people want to become officers and its obvious a larger % of the new recruits are dumbasses because they have a shittier selection of candidates.

[StylinRed]

when a gangsters girlfriend gets caught in the crossfire you..(cop lovers?) say "well they wanted to be a part of the life they should accept the consequences.... fuck em"

Now when the police protect their own after its known they've comitted crimes by either trying to keep things under wraps, or drawing out the time period of investigations to the point that they hope people forget about it, or downright concealing the facts....

then yes... they are no better than the guy raping his sister or the officer who drinks, drives and crashes, or the officers that beat someone to death in stanley park, or the officers that beat a bystander up, etc, etc, etc, etc




edit: i have to add there are good cops out there.... but i dont feel they outnumber the bad ones like they used to

[hotjoint]

corruption...

[Noir]

I'm not a cop-hater or anything. I think the majority of cops are great people.

My only beef with police officers is that when they CLEARLY fucked up, they don't get fired, but instead get suspension, with PAY, wasting tax payers dollars. Why not fire them? This will send a message that they are not above the law and can be punished as well.

I think what's happening is that when a cop turns out to be a bad apple, and he's not punished appropriately, the public believes that there must be more bad apples in the force that are protecting "their own", and thus the entire reputation of the force goes down with the few bad cops.

Now, if they were to fire the cop, and then clearly state that this behaviour will not be tolerated and that this is not what the force stands for, and that anyone who does not represent the image of the force will be severely punished, then they might change their reputation as good cops that don't defend bad ones.

When they're not punishing the bad cops, it ruins the entire departments reputation.

The other problem is that there are too many cop-haters that will get hyped up everytime a cop doesn't something that can be intrepreted as incorrect behaviour and start bashing cops for nothing. Cops are human, and can make mistakes.

Then you got the Pig nut huggers and family of police officers that defend cops to their grave, even though some cops are fucking wrong. Yes, they're human, and can make mistakes, but sometimes it's just clear that they clearly fucked up big time. If you think the job is too tough, then don't apply.

Like honestly, if they can't do their job properly, fire them and hire a better one, don't bring down the reputation of the force because of a few dumbasses.

Improving the reputation of police officers also inspires more kids to become police officers. They need to bring back that "we're the good guys" image and kinda change their brand. Right now not many people want to become officers and its obvious a larger % of the new recruits are dumbasses because they have a shittier selection of candidates.

I think your perception is a tad skewered.

Cops ARE subject to consequences for offences like DUI, drunken & disorderly behaviour, or incest. However, they're just not the extreme extent of termination of one's career or occupation or automatic jailtime.

However, despite popular belief, cops do pay the same penalty, if not more for crimes of a grievous nature. So I say, despite the anti-authoritarian hype, I wonder if people have the capacity to put things into perspective here.

when a gangsters girlfriend gets caught in the crossfire you..(cop lovers?) say "well they wanted to be a part of the life they should accept the consequences.... fuck em"

Now when the police protect their own after its known they've comitted crimes by either trying to keep things under wraps, or drawing out the time period of investigations to the point that they hope people forget about it, or downright concealing the facts....

They don't quite compare.

Example 1. Most of the time, girls who are attracted to that certain lifestyle are so for material benefits of an economical and social standing.

Example 2. Occurs not for any economical or social benefits but one of professional solidarity.

[nns]

Seriously, kids on RS need to step back. This ain't a rap video, it's not cool to flaunt how much you supposedly hate cops.

I make cop jokes here and there, but I don't let jokes, popular culture, and especially the experiences of others dictate what I truly think of the police.
Some of you kids out there need to sit and think before you run your mouth. This is what happens when you quit HS in Gr.9, you turn into an idiot like Ricky from Trailer Park Boys and make stupid statements.

Thanks to The7even. I'm tired of bandwagoning kiddies hopping all onboard the hate train for cops when they don't even know what they really hate about them. I have such a strong suspicion that 90% of the kids out there don't have any valid reason to thumb their noses to the police, but do it simply because that's how their highschool 'dai-lo' feels. If you're going to hate on something, the very least you could do is have the right reasons for it.

I'm not a pro-cop guy, I just don't like bandwagoners who like to sound big on the internet, but wouldn't have the balls to make a peep in person, making stupid arguments and blacklisting a whole police dept. for the actions of a few.

[Sid Vicious]

RCMP has some deep rooted corporate cultural problems and hiring practices. I'm not the only one who agrees, check out this article in Macleans - Why the RCMP are in ruins
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20071114_10512_10512

[iEatClams]

RCMP has some deep rooted corporate cultural problems and hiring practices. I'm not the only one who agrees, check out this article in Macleans - Why the RCMP are in ruins
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20071114_10512_10512

+ 1, this is exactly what I've been trying to say. The corporate culture and brand image of the RCMP is fucked right now. They need to change their reputation and attract better recruits + and implement new policies. I know people don't like change, but in this case change is needed.

Anyone that's been to any post secondary knows that companies come do recruiting events to attract TOP TALENT. Unfortunately for the RCMP, most of the talented people would rather be working somewhere else.

[Noir]

^ Are you guys really just reaching to find any justification to keep fuelling your anti-police sentiments?

First people say police are brutes with Barbarian cultures and when that is responded to, now you're saying Corporate Culture? Like that's not any true of any professional entity of a grande scale. Ideal or not.

Hiring Practices? You make it seem like any nutcase can walk into an RCMP detachment, hand in his resume devoid of any qualifications, and be hired. If so, I believe imaginations are running wild at this point.

Brand Image? <--- WTF lol. Do people really think that the police should reprioritize their focus to image? Their image is fine. It's only idiots whose education is primarily derived from TV and Music who's convinced that police are what they are.

Instead of taking what they see from rappers and they're music videos. Why don't people try a social experiment. Why not go up to a random police officer and bother them for a minute or two asking for directions. Or plainly just chatting them up.

Second, see what the difference is in polic interaction when you either disturb the peace, or endange the public. I wonder if people can make the distinction on reactions?

[ecchiecchi]

lol- Stupid RS kids think they know a lot about real life.

Silly kids. Touchy discussions are for mature and objective people, not stupid kids who know nothing about real life.

[you!]

wow lol i wonder if he came inside her sister:lol

[Sid Vicious]

lol- Stupid RS kids think they know a lot about real life.

Silly kids. Touchy discussions are for mature and objective people, not stupid kids who know nothing about real life.

So throwing out ad hominem attacks instead of making an insightful contribution is mature and objective? you're a joke buddy

[El Bastardo]

:facepalm: @ this thread.

This thread is really about "anti-police" than it is "anti-incest".



There could be a thread about a cop who single handedly stops an Al-Queda attack while rescuing a bus full of disabled children from being burned alive just moments after he finds a cure for cancer and people here would still turn it into an anti-cop thread.

[dna82]

There could be a thread about a cop who single handedly stops an Al-Queda attack while rescuing a bus full of disabled children from being burned alive just moments after he finds a cure for cancer and people here would still turn it into an anti-cop thread.

there could also be a a thread about sister fucking cops and some people would still try and defend the police. oh wait..

[nns]

there could also be a a thread about sister fucking cops and some people would still try and defend the police. oh wait..

Buddy, do you hear the stupid thoughts in your head before you type them out on the keyboard? What does being a cop have to do with incest? What, 1 cop performs incest on a relative, and all of a sudden all cops are banging their brothers and sisters now?

No one is defending the incest/sexual assault bit - that's without a doubt some downright messed up stuff. But to use that as fodder to attack a whole department? You stupid ass kids are reaching. You'll use whatever's necessary to fuel your angst against the cops.

I want to know what caused you guys to hate the cops so much. Did they touch you inappropriately during a traffic stop, huh? Or is it sour grapes because the po-po didn't like your stupid PnP HID kit blinding all the drivers on the road, and decided to ticket you over it? Or maybe it's because your favorite rapper doesn't like the police. "Yea, Cam'ron don't like the cops, so neither will I dur dur duuuuuuuuuuuuuur".

My god, there are some god-damn stupid people on RS.

And BTW, there's only been 1 reported case of an officer being suspended for these allegations. Get your facts straight, it's not "cops", it's 1 cop.

[Sid Vicious]

It seems like the people who are blindly defending the cops are just as misguided as the fuck the police types
The major problem when an RCMP officer commits a crime is that is investigated by the RCMP...and I quote from Macleans


Lawyers shouldn’t represent themselves. Doctors shouldn’t treat themselves. Now RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy rightly says Mounties shouldn’t investigate themselves. In a report issued Tuesday, Kennedy says investigations of fellow Mounties are “flawed and inconsistent.” Among the problems: lead investigators knowing members under investigation; members of lower or equal rank investigating fellow officers; the RCMP’s failure to track internal cases, or their outcomes. The force, says Kennedy, “has no understanding of what the scope of the problem actually is.” The airport tasering and death of Robert Dziekanski and the in-custody shooting of Ian Bush, both in B.C., are two RCMP self-investigations that raised serious public doubts. RCMP brass should embrace Kennedy’s recommendation that arm’s-length bodies investigate serious internal cases. The force’s credibility is at stake.

[dna82]

Buddy, do you hear the stupid thoughts in your head before you type them out on the keyboard? What does being a cop have to do with incest? What, 1 cop performs incest on a relative, and all of a sudden all cops are banging their brothers and sisters now?

No one is defending the incest/sexual assault bit - that's without a doubt some downright messed up stuff. But to use that as fodder to attack a whole department? You stupid ass kids are reaching. You'll use whatever's necessary to fuel your angst against the cops.

I want to know what caused you guys to hate the cops so much. Did they touch you inappropriately during a traffic stop, huh? Or is it sour grapes because the po-po didn't like your stupid PnP HID kit blinding all the drivers on the road, and decided to ticket you over it? Or maybe it's because your favorite rapper doesn't like the police. "Yea, Cam'ron don't like the cops, so neither will I dur dur duuuuuuuuuuuuuur".

My god, there are some god-damn stupid people on RS.

And BTW, there's only been 1 reported case of an officer being suspended for these allegations. Get your facts straight, it's not "cops", it's 1 cop.



well if you want to get technical on a typo. it is technically cop(s) because I can name more then one instance. would you like the link? or maybe google can do it for you.

let's deconstruct my reply


there could also be a a thread about sister fucking cops and some people would still try and defend the police. oh wait..

for the parody impaired.
I bolded the important part for you.

while i'm at it, THIS + THIS = self trolled.
No one is defending the incest/sexual assault bit - that's without a doubt some downright messed up stuff. But to use that as fodder to attack a whole department? You stupid ass kids are reaching. You'll use whatever's necessary to fuel your angst against the cops.

+

I want to know what caused you guys to hate the cops so much. Did they touch you inappropriately during a traffic stop, huh? Or is it sour grapes because the po-po didn't like your stupid PnP HID kit blinding all the drivers on the road, and decided to ticket you over it? Or maybe it's because your favorite rapper doesn't like the police. "Yea, Cam'ron don't like the cops, so neither will I dur dur duuuuuuuuuuuuuur".

now you're the one reaching. hypocrite.

[Noir]

Lawyers shouldn’t represent themselves. Doctors shouldn’t treat themselves. Now RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy rightly says Mounties shouldn’t investigate themselves.

And on the same note, how well do you think it will go over for a Muslim's actions to be judged by Christian standards and vise-versa, Westerners idealism under scrutinization by Eastern idealistic standards, and vise versa? One nationality's culture under criticism by the standard's of another nationality's culture?

Considering the extraordinary nature of their profession and the extremities of their environment they're subjected to, how much merit do you think being judged by your average public yields? And by average public I mean individuals who spend their days working in offices, restaurants, warehouses or any other controlled environments. People who's majority of public dealings are with individuals of the same social standing. People who's most daily life threatening risk is the commute between work & home.

I get your point, but although it's ideal, is more counter-productive than it really is productive.

[nns]

It seems like the people who are blindly defending the cops are just as misguided as the fuck the police types
The major problem when an RCMP officer commits a crime is that is investigated by the RCMP...and I quote from Macleans


Lawyers shouldn’t represent themselves. Doctors shouldn’t treat themselves. Now RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy rightly says Mounties shouldn’t investigate themselves. In a report issued Tuesday, Kennedy says investigations of fellow Mounties are “flawed and inconsistent.” Among the problems: lead investigators knowing members under investigation; members of lower or equal rank investigating fellow officers; the RCMP’s failure to track internal cases, or their outcomes. The force, says Kennedy, “has no understanding of what the scope of the problem actually is.” The airport tasering and death of Robert Dziekanski and the in-custody shooting of Ian Bush, both in B.C., are two RCMP self-investigations that raised serious public doubts. RCMP brass should embrace Kennedy’s recommendation that arm’s-length bodies investigate serious internal cases. The force’s credibility is at stake.

I have no interest in how cops are investigated for the crimes they are said to have committed. I am not debating that issue at all. I am interested in why there are so many misguided, stupid (yes, dna82, they are in fact stupid) kids on RS who like to take whatever small morsel of news related to a cop and go off on a spiel about how the whole department is corrupt, how every cop is dirty, this and that - wild allegations everywhere blanketing the whole force like they're worse than the Mexican police.

I don't feel strongly 1 way or the other for the police, I believe in arguments backed by facts. Instead of cops, we could be talking about fireman, or construction workers, or whatever the subject may be. Arguments made by stupid kids who pull BS out of the air, regardless of what they subject may be, and beating the dead horse whatever chance they get, is frankly the most irritating thing I've seen on this forum.

Give me a break. dna82, you can call me a hypocrite or whatever you feel like, the fact remains you know there are stupid kids on this site that need to be taught a lesson in reasoning. I don't know what happened in their lives, but many people here seem to lack the mental capacity required to separate facts from their emotions. So sorry to have to be the person to point and criticise their poor arguments, but I for one don't believe RS should be tolerating nor promoting the moronic posts of stupid people. If you believe you are a person that I have just described, put your pride aside and take on the responsibility of self-improvement by first examining your own beliefs. OR, you can stay stupid, believe everybody is wrong except you, and continue to look like an idiot on not only this forum, but most likely in life as well.

[MG1]

well if you want to get technical on a typo. it is technically cop(s) because I can name more then one instance. would you like the link? or maybe google can do it for you.

then = than

Just correcting your mistake.:haha:

[dna82]

I have no interest in how cops are investigated for the crimes they are said to have committed. I am not debating that issue at all. I am interested in why there are so many misguided, stupid (yes, dna82, they are in fact stupid) kids on RS who like to take whatever small morsel of news related to a cop and go off on a spiel about how the whole department is corrupt, how every cop is dirty, this and that - wild allegations everywhere blanketing the whole force like they're worse than the Mexican police.

I don't feel strongly 1 way or the other for the police, I believe in arguments backed by facts. Instead of cops, we could be talking about fireman, or construction workers, or whatever the subject may be. Arguments made by stupid kids who pull BS out of the air, regardless of what they subject may be, and beating the dead horse whatever chance they get, is frankly the most irritating thing I've seen on this forum.

Give me a break. dna82, you can call me a hypocrite or whatever you feel like, the fact remains you know there are stupid kids on this site that need to be taught a lesson in reasoning. I don't know what happened in their lives, but many people here seem to lack the mental capacity required to separate facts from their emotions. So sorry to have to be the person to point and criticise their poor arguments, but I for one don't believe RS should be tolerating nor promoting the moronic posts of stupid people. If you believe you are a person that I have just described, put your pride aside and take on the responsibility of self-improvement by first examining your own beliefs. OR, you can stay stupid, believe everybody is wrong except you, and continue to look like an idiot on not only this forum, but most likely in life as well.

lol, cool story bro! but uhm, did you even read my post?
I make a parody of above poster and i am automatically labeled a cop hater?

[dna82]

then = than

Just correcting your mistake.:haha:

you also forgot to correct my capitalizations, or lack thereof.

just correcting your corrections. =)

[nns]

lol, cool story bro! but uhm, did you even read my post?
I make a parody of above poster and i am automatically labeled a cop-hating gangster who listens to too much rap?

Was it a parody? I cannot tell, since I cannot hear the tone in your voice, see the expression on your face, or notice your hand movements. Please excuse me if I have taken your post too seriously, I can only intepret your words. :rolleyes:

You seem to fancy yourself an intelligent guy, maybe YOU should read MY post again and see where I called you anything close to a cop-hating gangster. I spoke in general about the stupid kids on this site. Trust me, from how candid I have been in this thread thus far, do you think I would hesitate to call you what I thought?


edit: I noticed your edit. Personally, I think your parody was poorly timed and distracted from the discussion. Just quit it.

[El Bastardo]

Lawyers shouldn’t represent themselves. Doctors shouldn’t treat themselves. Now RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy rightly says Mounties shouldn’t investigate themselves. [/B]

I agree with this point.

I'm not pro-police but I'm anti-ignorant asshole. My point is that cops shouldn't all be painted with the same brush when one does something wrong. The ratio of good, quality police officers in Canada far outweighs the bad ones.

[dna82]

Was it a parody? I cannot tell, since I cannot hear the tone in your voice, see the expression on your face, or notice your hand movements. Please excuse me if I have taken your post too seriously, I can only intepret your words. :rolleyes:

You seem to fancy yourself an intelligent guy, maybe YOU should read MY post again and see where I called you anything close to a cop-hating gangster. I spoke in general about the stupid kids on this site. Trust me, from how candid I have been in this thread thus far, do you think I would hesitate to call you what I thought?


edit: I noticed your edit. Personally, I think your parody was poorly timed and distracted from the discussion. Just quit it.

i put two different qoutes side by side using the almost exact wording but changing a few words to juxtaposition the two varying points. but hey, i guess some people just don't get it. parody, by the way, doesn't require a expression, subtle hand movements, or tones of voice. if you hadn't raged at the start you would've noticed it.

i don't fancy myself at all actually. okay here we go again, this time i'll use a even BOLDER and LARGER font to point out obvious things.

Buddy, do you hear the stupid thoughts in your head before you type them out on the keyboard? What does being a cop have to do with incest? What, 1 cop performs incest on a relative, and all of a sudden all cops are banging their brothers and sisters now?

No one is defending the incest/sexual assault bit - that's without a doubt some downright messed up stuff. But to use that as fodder to attack a whole department? You stupid ass kids are reaching. You'll use whatever's necessary to fuel your angst against the cops.

I want to know what caused you guys to hate the cops so much. Did they touch you inappropriately during a traffic stop, huh? Or is it sour grapes because the po-po didn't like your stupid PnP HID kit blinding all the drivers on the road, and decided to ticket you over it? Or maybe it's because your favorite rapper doesn't like the police. "Yea, Cam'ron don't like the cops, so neither will I dur dur duuuuuuuuuuuuuur".

My god, there are some god-damn stupid people on RS.

And BTW, there's only been 1 reported case of an officer being suspended for these allegations. Get your facts straight, it's not "cops", it's 1 cop.

I guess I don't apply for the 'general people' catagory and fall into the 'everybody but the general people' catagory.

so does that mean i'm not a cop hater? I don't listen to cam'ron and my car doesn't have PnP HID's? above all, so i'm not stupid either right?

perhaps bigger fonts and bolder texts would fair better.....

[iEatClams]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

There are cop-haters on RS that are just dumb and will hate on the RCMP for anything.

But what's funnier are the cop nut-huggers that try and defend them for everything.


First off, not everyone on RS is a 'highschool, ed hardy wearing, pump my rap music really loud while driving' cop-hater.

A lot of us are actual professionals with a formal education. A lot of my friends are successful business owners, teachers, professors, dentists and stuff, and most of us think the RCMP Blows. Do we hate cops? NO.
But are we entitled to our own opinion where we believe that the RCMP is sucking right now and can do a lot better job? Yes.

We need cops, we need them to uphold the law. Cops are generally good people.
But the RCMP needs to make changes in order to improve, but they won't because they're too fucking stubborn.

I've met a lot of police officers out of uniform which I respected at BBQs, partys, get-togthers. The one I respected the most was this one guy that had a Business Degree at U of T and then joined the force and is now working in a division that deals with insider trading, securities fraud etc. This same guy even says that one of the problem is that the RCMP is too oldschool and they also have problems recruiting good talent.

I've also met a lot of other officers who I thought " how the fuck did you get into the RCMP?, It's scary to think that people like you are in a position of power"

There was this one guy in highschool who everbody thought was the biggest douchebag, yet he somehow joined the force.

But overall, I'm pretty satisfied with the RCMP we have here in Canada. We have probably the best ethics compared to any other country in the world and relatively low corruption. My only beef is that I think we can do better if we just weed out more of the bad apples by firing more officers (for more serious offences) instead of suspending them WITH PAY.

[iEatClams]

^ msg was written at 3 am, I'm tired, so it's probably a bad read in terms of sentence flow and I apologize.

[MWR34]

that's fucked. i wonder if he was a native? i've actually never seen a native cop though

*insert native joke here*

[MWR34]

Cops are human.


humans fuck up. They are no different then any of you, it wasnt the cop in him that fucked his sister, it was the human in him. He probably didnt nail her in his uniform on the clock.

[nipples]

So did he do his sister before he became a cop? Like maybe when they were like 17?

Itd be messed if the sister did this as a prank! Maybe related to the craigslist revenge...

[MG1]

you also forgot to correct my capitalizations, or lack thereof.

just correcting your corrections. =)

I ran out of time........... would you like me to proof all of it?


I just found it funny that you.......... nevermind. =)

[Noir]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

There are cop-haters on RS that are just dumb and will hate on the RCMP for anything.

But what's funnier are the cop nut-huggers that try and defend them for everything.


First off, not everyone on RS is a 'highschool, ed hardy wearing, pump my rap music really loud while driving' cop-hater.

A lot of us are actual professionals with a formal education. A lot of my friends are successful business owners, teachers, professors, dentists and stuff, and most of us think the RCMP Blows. Do we hate cops? NO.
But are we entitled to our own opinion where we believe that the RCMP is sucking right now and can do a lot better job? Yes.

We need cops, we need them to uphold the law. Cops are generally good people.
But the RCMP needs to make changes in order to improve, but they won't because they're too fucking stubborn.

I've met a lot of police officers out of uniform which I respected at BBQs, partys, get-togthers. The one I respected the most was this one guy that had a Business Degree at U of T and then joined the force and is now working in a division that deals with insider trading, securities fraud etc. This same guy even says that one of the problem is that the RCMP is too oldschool and they also have problems recruiting good talent.

I've also met a lot of other officers who I thought " how the fuck did you get into the RCMP?, It's scary to think that people like you are in a position of power"

There was this one guy in highschool who everbody thought was the biggest douchebag, yet he somehow joined the force.

But overall, I'm pretty satisfied with the RCMP we have here in Canada. We have probably the best ethics compared to any other country in the world and relatively low corruption. My only beef is that I think we can do better if we just weed out more of the bad apples by firing more officers (for more serious offences) instead of suspending them WITH PAY.

So what side of the fence are you? Because if you're not just saying you're pro-police but agree that are areas of improvements, well you can say that with just about every professional entity on the face of the earth.

*construction
*politics
*food & service
etc.

[SumAznGuy]

So did he do his sister before he became a cop? Like maybe when they were like 17?

Itd be messed if the sister did this as a prank! Maybe related to the craigslist revenge...

The article said he did this sometime between Julyt 31 and Aug 2 when they had the police/firemen games.

Supposedly, they got really drunk, and he did his sister when she was passed out.

[bengy]

Gotta love RCMP nuthuggers....

Just because you hear of one incident once in a while in the newspapers, doesn't mean shit doesn't happen on a daily basis. It's just that once in a while they do get caught red handed, and that's when you hear about it.

[silk]

cop = gang
one is bright and one is dark
one is protected by the law and one is not..
they both get paid with risk at work
and they both douches that most of the ordinary people try to stay away from

[The7even]

Gotta love RCMP nuthuggers....

Just because you hear of one incident once in a while in the newspapers, doesn't mean shit doesn't happen on a daily basis. It's just that once in a while they do get caught red handed, and that's when you hear about it.

The same way you don't hear anything about when they save a life.. which is every single day.


Look, I don't like cops my self to be honest. I hate it when they follow me, tailgate me , whatever. But I'm not some keyboard rebel that hates them either.

For those of you saying 'RCPM nut huggers' you're delusional. No one here is defending the police officer.
We're only trying to stop the stereotypes about the police. Nothing to do with the PO in question.

If you have nothing clever to say other than RCPM Nut-hugger , this conversation is not for you, as you cannot comprehend what we're trying to say.

Again that message is: We are not defending the suspect, we're defending the profession as a whole from idiots like your selves.
Again, as I've said before, crucify him all you want, no one gives a fuck. I don't , those siding with me don't , we're just trying to make you understand that your logic is retarded at best. We're right, you're wrong.


And lastly , whoever said that he hates it that the cop is on paid leave..
you ought to get really upset when you learn that you live in a democracy where you're innocent until proven guilty. How would you compensate the monetary loss to him if he's proven to be innocent? That is why he's on paid leave, so that the investigation may go on and he is right now not guilty of anything. The same rule applies to everyone, no matter what their profession.

[silk]

Fan Club Counts
Firefighters & Paramedics > Police Enforcers



Im on Firefighters & Paramedics side

[bengy]

The same way you don't hear anything about when they save a life.. which is every single day.


Do you believe in Santa Clause too?

[nns]

You guys who keep claiming the cops are corrupt/evil/the devil/etc (OK, no one called the cops "evil" or "the devil", but i'm sure someone is going to use that against me to further derail the topic) wouldn't sound like morons if you provided some reasoning behind your arguments and allegations.

I don't know how many times I've asked those who hate the cops state WHY they hate the cops, instead of just posting some BS like the following:
stupid ass cops

The city's finest.

fuck the police

seen cops jack stashes for personal use

also seen cops do illegal search and seizures

Vancouver finest.... pieces of shit

What bigger and more powerful gang do you know in vancouver than the VPD

This is what they do besides eating donuts and handing out speeding tickets.

corruption...

See, when people argue a point, they usually provide something called "facts", which helps defend their argument. To be fair, Vansterdam did provide a reason. How credible it is, that's up for debate. :confused:

Hell, even if you guys did give reasons as to why you hated the cops so much, I'm not sure how relevant it is to the topic. The fact is him being a cop has nothing to do with what he did to his sister. He could've been in any profession. Cop-haters can't seem to grasp this concept.

I just want to quote The7even again, because what he said carries a lot of weight. Some of you guys with your brick brains should try to understand what he said:
And lastly , whoever said that he hates it that the cop is on paid leave..
you ought to get really upset when you learn that you live in a democracy where you're innocent until proven guilty. How would you compensate the monetary loss to him if he's proven to be innocent? That is why he's on paid leave, so that the investigation may go on and he is right now not guilty of anything. The same rule applies to everyone, no matter what their profession.

[SumAznGuy]

I just want to quote The7even again, because what he said carries a lot of weight. Some of you guys with your brick brains should try to understand what he said:

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Besides that, I agree with everything else. Carry on. :Popcorn

[MyPresIzBlack]

stupid ass cops

arent you trying to be a stupid ass cop?...

[Noir]

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?



(disclaimer: not discussing the Original content of incest. Just discussing the merits of Leave w/ Pay vs. Leave w/o Pay)

[SumAznGuy]

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?

That is a very good question, and I would venture a guess a question that we will never know the true answer to.

What happens when someone is found guilty, sentenced to prison and then years down the road their appeal is sucessful. Do they get any compensation?

On the flip side, if the person was on paid leave, does the employer get their money back if the employee was found at fault?

Interesting, looking up BC labour laws, there is nothing about whether or not an employee will be placed on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation. I guess in the end, it comes down to the employer or union.

[iEatClams]

First off, this post is off-topic and I'm not responding to the story/police officer in question. And the following is regarding the RCMP in general/as a whole.

So what side of the fence are you? Because if you're not just saying you're pro-police but agree that are areas of improvements, well you can say that with just about every professional entity on the face of the earth.

*construction
*politics
*food & service
etc.

Why can't I sit on the fence? what's wrong with that. Usually the correct answers are not on the extremes, but are somewhere along the middle of the spectrum.

Growing up I was probably pro-police, but nowadays I gonna have to say I encourage the anti-police remarks and I applaud all the dumbasses that hate cops.

One of the posters on here always wants to know WHY?
so Why?

First, police officers are one of the most important positions in our society. So we need to make sure it functions efficiently and properly.

No one needs to prove that we don't need cops. Saying things like " we dont need cops" is just stupid. . . . Because we need them. Period.

The reason I love all the anti-cop remarks is because that's a method of trying to improve the RCMP. Our interests with us paying them our tax dollars is that we want to make sure we have a competent force that can do their duties. I can already see the rebuttal of, 'well they would be better off if dumbasses stop hating on them'

But right now the police officers are fucking too stubborn to see that they have flaws and want to correct them. They know they this powerful essential profession.

If no one criticizes the monitors, or people on top, then that leads room for more corruption and actions that are not in the best interests of the civilians.
It's a way of not giving them too much power.

That's what's great about Canada, because we can criticize the people in powerful positions. Otherwise they will just do whatever the fuck they want.


Without the anti-cop remarks, the cops will get off anytime they fuck up, when they make a huge mistake, commite a crime/corruption. But with all the people willing to critizie them if they fuck up, then it puts more pressure on them not to fuck up.


Gotta love RCMP nuthuggers....

Just because you hear of one incident once in a while in the newspapers, doesn't mean shit doesn't happen on a daily basis. It's just that once in a while they do get caught red handed, and that's when you hear about it.



A lot of it doesn't get reported becuase the victim has no evidence against the cops too and wouldn't hold in court and are afraid of the reprecussions, or are just to scared. If you were a innocent teenage kid who got beat up by a twisted police officer who went on a power trip, but you don't have any evidence then you're screwed.

The same way you don't hear anything about when they save a life.. which is every single day.



It's part of their jobs, doctors save more lives everyday, but you don't hear about it either. If we post that everytime someone saves a life on the newspaper, media and all everyday there would be no room for anything else. The media is a business - i wont go furhter into this.

But however, people want to know when they are being screwed by people they are suppose to trust (cops). Thus, all the anger that comes after when the cops do fuck up.





You guys who keep claiming the cops are corrupt/evil/the devil/etc (OK, no one called the cops "evil" or "the devil", but i'm sure someone is going to use that against me to further derail the topic) wouldn't sound like morons if you provided some reasoning behind your arguments and allegations.

I don't know how many times I've asked those who hate the cops state WHY they hate the cops, instead of just posting some BS like the following:











I don't really care if I get flamed for this, it's just an online forum.



Originally Posted by TRD604
stupid ass cops



very true

----- a lot of them are fucking stupid, you're regular (the ones we see all the time) cops have a low mean, and low standard deviation when it comes to intellect.
The detectives and some other specialized units are a bit brighter.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Vansterdam
fuck the police

seen cops jack stashes for personal use

also seen cops do illegal search and seizures


fuck the police is right!
yup, happens all the time. it's the question whose gonna be monitoring the monitors.




Quote:
Originally Posted by 124Y
This is what they do besides eating donuts and handing out speeding tickets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotjoint
corruption...




that's why you never rob a bank near a tim-hortons.
anyone ever notice the huge gathering on victoria and kingsway. haha

there's some truth to stereotypes. . .

I can't go against giving out the speeding tickets. They're just upholding the law and doing their job. You can't get mad at them for giving u the ticket. This is where I actually side with the nut-huggers.

The only argument here is if there's a scenario where a cop is going on a powertrip and gives you a ticket for going 55 on a 50 with no other cars around. Then yea, fucking COPS!



Anyways, there will always be people that defend cops, and people that hate on them. It's almost impossible to change so that just the way it is.

[bengy]

Without the pre-assumption of guilt, what if the investigation reveals that the charges are false, baseless, or frivolous?



(disclaimer: not discussing the Original content of incest. Just discussing the merits of Leave w/ Pay vs. Leave w/o Pay)

Cops wouldn't get suspended for baseless or frivolous charges. From what we've seen they get suspended for driving under the influence and running over people, beating up people downtown while drunk, and for fucking their sisters / brothers...

[nns]

azndude69, thanks for your post.

Your posts have some constructive criticism. Although we many not eye-to-eye on the issue, I believe constructive criticism is what the police force needs as well.

I don't support the kids/adults on here who are spouting the "fuck the police" attitude all the time because that is not constructive. So you hate the police, what do you think they should do to change? Nothing? No other opinions you want to share? Is that it, "fuck the police"? I can't take someone seriously when all they do is curse and complain - it's like watching a child throw a tantrum. Note, I am not criticizing you, azndude69.

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such? If you want your posts and opinions to be taken seriously, you need to compose your thoughts like a grown-up. The fact is, too many people here don't realize how foolish and ignorant they are, so their venting does nothing but annoy people like me who encourage useful dialogue.

I believe what you're looking for is accountability. The police need to report to an entity, so as not to believe that they (the police) have free reign to do whatever they want in whatever manner. Here's a constructive idea that I would appreciate to hear: how about the province form an independent entity that operates separate investigations involving the conduct of the police?

See, that's not hard.

[SumAznGuy]

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such?

Sorry nns, but this is revscene. It's much simpler to say fuck the police than to come up with a well thought out and properly written essay on why they feel that way.

That's why we have the engrish nazi's that go around making fun and correcting people's mistakes.

[The7even]

While I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately, this time I will have to disagree with The7even. I cannot agree with everyone gets to go on paid leave. Most of the time when we hear about it, it is the people who work in unions that get to go on paid leave. But there are some jobs that I have been at where a person is placed on suspension without pay pending investigation. Which is why I can see that everyone is upset about that.

Besides that, I agree with everything else. Carry on. :Popcorn

I understand your POV. But you have to understand something.

It's either Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Which society would you rather live in?
What if tomorrow someone accuses you of child molestation. It could happen because innocents get accused all the time.
Would you rather that people hold you viable and throw you away in jail without pay (which is what you need to survive) or hold you on paid suspension. You get paid while you await trial and then when you're found innocent you carry on.
It's the right way, it's the only way. There is no in between.

[The7even]

It's part of their jobs, doctors save more lives everyday, but you don't hear about it either. If we post that everytime someone saves a life on the newspaper, media and all everyday there would be no room for anything else. The media is a business - i wont go furhter into this.

But however, people want to know when they are being screwed by people they are suppose to trust (cops). Thus, all the anger that comes after when the cops do fuck up.



Heres why you're wrong.

Doctors aren't going into the fucking line of fire for your ass. Doctors are NOT risking their lives when they ... Are you.. did you even fucking think before you decided to compare Doctors to Cops?

And you're also supposed to trust your god damn doctor with your well being. Do you hear people go 'fuck the doc's' because of malpractice? No you don't. Do you hear anybody going 'fuck the doctors' because one of them becomes one of those angel of death types and kills 20-30 elderly folks? No.

I love debating with you for the following reasons

1)I always get to show how stupid your reasoning is
2)You seem to lack a super human ability i call common sense and you keep making an ass of your self.

P.S. I think you're mad at the police because your 'N' Drivers license is getting you pulled over a whole lot ain't it cowboy?

[SumAznGuy]

I understand your POV. But you have to understand something.

It's either Innocent until proven guilty or guilty until proven innocent. Which society would you rather live in?
What if tomorrow someone accuses you of child molestation. It could happen because innocents get accused all the time.
Would you rather that people hold you viable and throw you away in jail without pay (which is what you need to survive) or hold you on paid suspension. You get paid while you await trial and then when you're found innocent you carry on.
It's the right way, it's the only way. There is no in between.

Generally speaking, the law is innocent until proven guilty except when it comes to the motor vehicle act/code and sex crimes.

*IF* I get accused of inappropriate touching, 1 of 2 things have/will happen.
a) I did the crime and become some bad mans GF.
b) didn't do it but my name has been tarnished and whenever I get pulled over by the police, my name shows up in their system and a flag appears as well as I will be forever known as one of those people who are "known" to the police. While I "may" be found not guilty, I by no means will be "innocent" in the eyes of the victims. This is the system protecting the *innoect* people.

And, if I am found not guilty because I didn't touch that little girl, I am definately looking at who I can sue to get my life back. Worse case scenario, I am taking them and the police to civil court for lost wages (past, present, and future) and all the pain and suffering as well as legal fees.

Going back to what I was quoting, it was the part where you said

And lastly , whoever said that he hates it that the cop is on paid leave..
you ought to get really upset when you learn that you live in a democracy where you're innocent until proven guilty. How would you compensate the monetary loss to him if he's proven to be innocent? That is why he's on paid leave, so that the investigation may go on and he is right now not guilty of anything. The same rule applies to everyone, no matter what their profession.

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

[The7even]

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

Thank's.. I actually didn't know that.
I can understand what you're trying to say now.
You do have a point.

[scenerev]

The7even,

You're one angry white dude, you need to chill out. Quit being so sensitive.

[iEatClams]

azndude69, thanks for your post.

Your posts have some constructive criticism. Although we many not eye-to-eye on the issue, I believe constructive criticism is what the police force needs as well.

I don't support the kids/adults on here who are spouting the "fuck the police" attitude all the time because that is not constructive. So you hate the police, what do you think they should do to change? Nothing? No other opinions you want to share? Is that it, "fuck the police"? I can't take someone seriously when all they do is curse and complain - it's like watching a child throw a tantrum. Note, I am not criticizing you, azndude69.

Most people on here are adults, is it too hard for them to conduct themselves as such? If you want your posts and opinions to be taken seriously, you need to compose your thoughts like a grown-up. The fact is, too many people here don't realize how foolish and ignorant they are, so their venting does nothing but annoy people like me who encourage useful dialogue.

I believe what you're looking for is accountability. The police need to report to an entity, so as not to believe that they (the police) have free reign to do whatever they want in whatever manner. Here's a constructive idea that I would appreciate to hear: how about the province form an independent entity that operates separate investigations involving the conduct of the police?

See, that's not hard.

Appreciate the thanks.
I can see what your trying to say with the fuck the police comments.

And yes to accountability.

[iEatClams]

Heres why you're wrong.

Doctors aren't going into the fucking line of fire for your ass. Doctors are NOT risking their lives when they ... Are you.. did you even fucking think before you decided to compare Doctors to Cops?

And you're also supposed to trust your god damn doctor with your well being. Do you hear people go 'fuck the doc's' because of malpractice? No you don't. Do you hear anybody going 'fuck the doctors' because one of them becomes one of those angel of death types and kills 20-30 elderly folks? No.

I love debating with you for the following reasons

1)I always get to show how stupid your reasoning is
2)You seem to lack a super human ability i call common sense and you keep making an ass of your self.

P.S. I think you're mad at the police because your 'N' Drivers license is getting you pulled over a whole lot ain't it cowboy?

I'm mad, trying looking at yourself. you need to fucking relax man.

I'm actually laughing pretty hard while writing this here as I think you're a fucking joke.

Why do you have to prove other people that they're wrong?? . .

On another note, I won't give out my age, but I've actually had my full license for 7 years now, so you can guess the range. I've had a ticket before but it's been like what? 5 years since? WTF are you talking about???

[Noir]

The point I was trying to make was that not everyone is put on paid leave under this circumstance. It happens with the police and teachers because of their union's collective agreement with the employer, but not everyone get's such privillages.

That being said, isn't the bigger societal flaw that not everyone is entitled to this privilege rather than denying everyone this particular privilege out of fairness?

[SumAznGuy]

That being said, isn't the bigger societal flaw that not everyone is entitled to this privilege rather than denying everyone this particular privilege out of fairness?

That depends on who or which group of people you ask.

Is it fair that I work 60+ hours a week to barely afford a bachlor unit in Coquitlam while joe blow druggie get's to live downtown in a subsidized housing unit when he decides he has had enough and tries to clean up?

Life isn't fair, learn to suck it up or else you are gonna stress yourself to death over it.

Personally, is it a flaw? yes in the sense that I still don't think they should be allowed to go on paid leave, just like the Bacon sister's dad shouldn't have been allowed to go on paid leave because there was a hit out for his 3 daughters.

Especially since he obviously has money given that he had a Acura TL, and a few other toys under his name (bullet proof 7 series)

[The7even]

I'm mad, trying looking at yourself. you need to fucking relax man.

I'm actually laughing pretty hard while writing this here as I think you're a fucking joke.

Why do you have to prove other people that they're wrong?? . .

On another note, I won't give out my age, but I've actually had my full license for 7 years now, so you can guess the range. I've had a ticket before but it's been like what? 5 years since? WTF are you talking about???

:lol

The7even,

You're one angry white dude, you need to chill out. Quit being so sensitive.

No.

I actually type everything out while raging mad, banging my hands against the keyboard and with such force that my key strokes send out seismic waves capable of giving your mother the orgasm your daddy could never provide.

Yep, a mom joke. I'm old school like that.