[ChinesePetro]

Hi
I thought this would be a good place to ask
Im buying my first car soon and it has come down to the Civic Si or the Genesis Coupe 2.oT


Si coupe costs 31,785.25
genesis 2.0T costs 26,060.00

i like the styling of the genesis better also the price is more favorable over the SI

but what about the performance aspects? which one is better?
i might get into the tuning scene later down the road..

[CRS]

Genesis. Get the premium package.

If you're into tuning, you could probably get something done with genesis later on as more stuff comes out for it.

[ilvtofu]

Genesis in every possible way BOOST!

[Peturbo]

My vote goes to Genesis.

[orange7]

From a performance perspective, the genesis coupe is better.

If you get the Si, LS600h owners will spank you and then RS will criticize you.

go here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/got-spanked-ls600hl-t588124.html

[ilvtofu]

^from a style perspective pick the genesis too,
From a banker's perspective... still pick the genesis, lower resale value but meh, you'll have so much more fun you won't want to sell it!
And it's not like most cars have decent residuals now anyways

[hk20000]

But it's an SI.

[Anjew]

as an SI owner its sad to say this but get the genesis..... bang for buck def in the genesis favor. even if the SI retains its value more than the genesis you'd still be ahead in cash since the MSRP is much cheaper for genesis also theres a million fucking civics on the road....

its still too soon to tell regarding reliability......

[3seriesBeeM]

genesis coupe hands down too many civics out there and genesis styling is nicer

[pandalove]

but but but its an SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

get genesis
have u consider gti ?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

SI



Hyundai do not want





if not get a GTi instead


dont know wats with all the hype towards korean cars over jap cars:rolleyes:

[BMW135i]

Hi
I thought this would be a good place to ask
Im buying my first car soon and it has come down to the Civic Si or the Genesis Coupe 2.oT


Si coupe costs 31,785.25
genesis 2.0T costs 26,060.00

i like the styling of the genesis better also the price is more favorable over the SI

but what about the performance aspects? which one is better?
i might get into the tuning scene later down the road..

I did a test drive on Genesis couple 2.0. It feels great when the turbo kicked in. For that price , Its a nice car to drive.

+1 for Genesis coupe.

[d1]

dont know wats with all the hype towards korean cars over jap cars:rolleyes:

It's not hype, it's called not being a honda fanboi.

[hk20000]

dont know wats with all the hype towards korean cars over jap cars:rolleyes:

It's called RWD.

[Timpo]

SI



Hyundai do not want





if not get a GTi instead


dont know wats with all the hype towards korean cars over jap cars:rolleyes:+1

the Genesis 2.0T is slower than Civic Si in many ways due to its heavy weight.
The Si is slower than LS600hL but definitely faster than 2.0T, I did a quick research and saw the test results.
Every test results shows 7.0+ sec 0-60mph time for 2.0T, whereas Civic Si can be as quick as 6.2 seconds. (Honda claims 6.7 seconds)

The 3.8L V6 Genesis is faster, but slower than 370Z or Mustang GT.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

werd

dont know wat kind of cracks ppl are on, HOLLY FUCKING SHIT GENESIS 2.0T is like a million times faster than Si :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: in fact its not

slower than Si with same hp output higher torque rating yet slower

similiar hp/torque rating against its competitor for the V6 engine yet slower than 350z/370z



at the end? hyundai and kia? no thank you


Sony/Panasonic or samsung/LG?

i will take japanese brand, thank you

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

It's not hype, it's called not being a honda fanboi.

actually its called a Jap brand whore over shitty korean brand. thats wat it is

[rcoccultwar]

Everybody knows when your fragile you got to let the engine do the work...

[J____]

SI



Hyundai do not want





if not get a GTi instead


dont know wats with all the hype towards korean cars over jap cars:rolleyes:


i dont know about you, but id rather pick a car that's designed to look like a sports AND pull pretty decent performance figures rather than a car that's butchered in design to be a less 'painful' car when it hits a pedestrian. Honda lost it's appeal on the civic when they dropped their double wishbone rear suspension in 2001 from greed of Toyota's revenue with hitting lower production costs. If you're looking for a personal robot, buy Honda, if you're looking for a nice sports car in that price range, buy a Genesis.

[ilvtofu]

http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandreviews/overdrive/2010-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-brembo.jpg

Those brakes mean business!
and boost controller FTW easily faster than a civic Si, wheres 1990tsi when you need him?

[LowTEC]

Genesis.

Civic is fugly as sin, even though IT'S A SI

[thumper]

genesis ftw.

but yikes... what are the insurance costs these days for a 2 dr coupe (and one being rwd turbo no less) these days for a first time driver (OP didn't mention age) and car owner with no icbc claims rating discount?

[CivicTypeRice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMGiEHb-Oyg

[maxx]

Honda is better quality and relentless reliability.

There are lots of reasons why huyindai is cheaper. If quality is not a concern for you, then dont buy the Honda. Fords make nicer cars than the huyindai. I'd have a Mustang Pony package over the korean car's terrible turbo.

[Jackygor]

If you want a car to stay stock in pick SI, if you wana mod, Genesis.

[Roach]

I've had a chance to drive both.

The Si:

- Glorious shifter. I know 3rd gear grind has been an issue but I was driving a newer car so perhaps it hadn't revealed itself yet.
- The fit and finish in the interior is very well done.
- I don't think the interior design will age well. It's just a little over the top for me, in spite of the functional merits it might have.
- My car has 300lb/ft of torque so coming to the Si is a little hard. The car doesn't really feel fast. Even getting deep in the revs, the sensation is that you're going fast, but you're just keeping pace with traffic. That wore on me quickly. A little too high strung.

Genesis Coupe 2.0t

* The car I drove is a premium package model with leather. I think that rings in at $27k so a little different then what you are looking at specifically OP.

- Contrary to what I expected, this is a very solid car. The way the doors close, highway manners, road noise. I was expecting a tin can for some reason.
- Interior design is much more traditional. Nice but the fit and finish is not as tight as the Si.
- The 2.0T is smooth but lacking punch. You can tell this motor has a lot more potential but it's been badly corked in stock form.
- The shifter is sloppier then the Si. Not terrible, but pretty vague.
- My biggest gripe with this car was the rev-hang. When clutching in, the revs would hold for a second so as ensure combustion. From what I've read, this was done to ensure the cat in the car reaches past the 100,000km warranty that Hyundai offers. Not sure if it's true, but hopefully someone can find a way around this nuisance. It certainly didn't feel natural to drive and took some serious adjustments for me to drive smoothly.

Overall, if it were my money, I would have to go with the Genesis.

1. You get more for less
2. It will be really easy to uncork that motor for more power.
3. Even in stock form, the RWD drivetrain is just flat-out more fun.

If you value reliability, resale and don't intend to mod the car much, go for the Si.

Kev

[gnat.]

but it's an SI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





vTECHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peturbo]

^
where did you get vtech from? There is NO H in vtec

With the money you save on the genesis over civic, you could put into performance mods.
The OP even mentioned he wanted to do some tuning later on down the road.

[jing]

Don't race any LS600HL's if you get the Si.

[asian_XL]

Genesis is only compareable to Civic Si? I thought it's in the 370, G37 terriority

[cctw]

the 2.0L turbo is the lower end that compares to the SI...the higher end 3.8L v6 compares to the g37 and such

[TheSalesman]

09 civic si coupe is 25,275 now.

[falcon]

werd

dont know wat kind of cracks ppl are on, HOLLY FUCKING SHIT GENESIS 2.0T is like a million times faster than Si :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: in fact its not

slower than Si with same hp output higher torque rating yet slower

similiar hp/torque rating against its competitor for the V6 engine yet slower than 350z/370z



at the end? hyundai and kia? no thank you


Sony/Panasonic or samsung/LG?

i will take japanese brand, thank you


Stock for stock the SI may be faster, but for less money and way more tuning potential I would take the Genisis 100 times over...

and this is coming from a Japanese "brand whore" so to speak (owned Skylines and have an FD)...

[hamhead]

+1

the Genesis 2.0T is slower than Civic Si in many ways due to its heavy weight.
The Si is slower than LS600hL but definitely faster than 2.0T, I did a quick research and saw the test results.
Every test results shows 7.0+ sec 0-60mph time for 2.0T, whereas Civic Si can be as quick as 6.2 seconds. (Honda claims 6.7 seconds)

The 3.8L V6 Genesis is faster, but slower than 370Z or Mustang GT.

WHAT would u do with an extra 0.8 seconds?? enjoy the FWD?

[TheSalesman]

you guys forget that the k20 from the civic si has incredible potential too. And its still NA. bolt ons and kpro, you are at 200whp. more expensive, but better resale value and more reliable. turbo = more things to worry about.

[!Yaminashi]

Doesnt the Si have the K20?
Isnt that motor loved by 99.9% of everyone on this board?

[twitchyzero]

genesis has been out for how many months now? I've only seen ONE on the road so far...

[TheSalesman]

Doesnt the Si have the K20?
Isnt that motor loved by 99.9% of everyone on this board?

yes it has a k20. People can get nearly 400whp out of a K motor....NA!
that is of course with a k24 block/k20head setup. So you can't say that the genesis has way more potential. k20 i-vtec? or hyundai turbo engine? cmon now....

[Jackygor]

yes it has a k20. People can get nearly 400whp out of a K motor....NA!
that is of course with a k24 block/k20head setup. So you can't say that the genesis has way more potential. k20 i-vtec? or hyundai turbo engine? cmon now....

Can you link me please? I am rather skeptical a 2 litre N/A engine can reach 400 whp without FI.

[impactX]

RWD says it all.

[orange7]

why would anyone want to mod 400hp into a FWD?

[hamhead]

why would anyone want to mod 400hp into a FWD?

POWER UNDERSTEER MAN

[J-Chow]

for that price range and performance wise, you should also consider the VW GTI, and/or Nissan Sentra SER Spec V.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

you guys forget that the k20 from the civic si has incredible potential too. And its still NA. bolt ons and kpro, you are at 200whp. more expensive, but better resale value and more reliable. turbo = more things to worry about.

actually over 200whp.


DC5 I/H/E bolt ons with kpro can run 13.8 quarter mile with stock internal on street tires. WIth drag radials its able to pull 13.5 with stock internals as well fully N/A. best 4 banger ever made end of discussion.


k20 has a lot more potential to free up vs the s2k F20C / F22 engine. The s2k came with full potential, while the k20 on the other hand still has rooms to improve.

My friend's DC2 JDM K20 is putting down 225-230whp fully n/a

so even tho the genesis has about 50 -60 pounds torque more than the Si, funny how it aint faster. Now on the other hand if Si had 50-60hp more it'd smoke the genesis out of blue despite no change to the current torque value.

[Rikaro]

yes it has a k20. People can get nearly 400whp out of a K motor....NA!
that is of course with a k24 block/k20head setup. So you can't say that the genesis has way more potential. k20 i-vtec? or hyundai turbo engine? cmon now....

lol orly!?

[monkeywrench]

its pretty hard to get an RWD for that price nowadays

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJxsgIDYvc

street tire

[GordonTse]

k24/k20 hybrid will not get to 400whp N/A. btw it's flashpro for Si, not Kpro.

coming from an Si driver for over 1.5years, don't get it. lacks power until 5-6K rpm. vtec kicks in at 5800, peak torque at 6100.

[GordonTse]

Can you link me please? I am rather skeptical a 2 litre N/A engine can reach 400 whp without FI.

he's only a salesman, he doesn't know what hes talking about. and it would be a 2.4L motor.. he said k24/k20 frankenstein.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^


werd no fuking way 400whp N/A with SC yes, N/A no, not in a million years

[J____]

remember the wheel can only do 1 thing well, accelerate, brake or turn. Not 2 things. RWD ftw!

but if u want a daily driver thats reliable, go for the civic.

[d1]

Is a 13.8s pass supposed to be fast?

[Leopold Stotch]

i'd go for the genesis, don't agree with how it looks but, the civic isn't that pretty.

anyhow i'd do it just cause of the ease for more power from the genesis. boost controller. downpipe. some new piping.

should be a nice bump in power.

[gnat.]

^
where did you get vtech from? There is NO H in vtec

With the money you save on the genesis over civic, you could put into performance mods.
The OP even mentioned he wanted to do some tuning later on down the road.

shittt you're right. haha! i bet i was thinking TECH...rofl my bad...let me correct that in this post...!!

BUT IT'S AN SI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



VTECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[Euro7r]

Screw this V-TECKKK crap, whether the civic is loaded with v-teckkkkkk or not, not like it's that insane of a sports performance vehicle. If you want performance, genesis has what you need for a decent affordable price-tag.

Why the hell would anyone pay over $30,000 for a civic and for a car that barely even has 200hp. There are other cars that get better bang for bucks to performance ratio, I'd say.

[moomooCow]

genesis so if you actually do it up, you wouldn't feel stupid driving around with your monstrous whp in a fwd car. =]

[Fay_lo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMGiEHb-Oyg


this was not a fair fight.. automatic vs manual..

and they didnt use the genesis turbo GT ( track )

does the civic si have bluetooth??? and i heard it doesnt even heated seats .

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Is a 13.8s pass supposed to be fast?



show me a fucking 4 banger with bolt on that does 13.5 than

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

what u gonna say now? mazdaspeed 3? STi? EVo? fuck anything u slap on a turbo /sc/ nitrous is fast ok
Any engine can make a gazillion hp when u slap on the turbo and make one pass so u can claim YUP i run 11s baby, than KABOOM on ur next run



350z/370z with 300hp + does 14.0 to 14.3 in 1/4 mile, and thats a fucking V6

[Dinan3]

I'd go for the Civic SI sedan.

[1990TSI]

Drive both and decide from there. before asking what random people on the internet who may or may not have driven both, try them out.

I had driven an SI and while it was alright, it was FWD and you could feel it. VTEC was pure awesome, but it's not boost. and with no money invested at all you can safely run 18PSI in the Genesis.
18psi > vtec
RWD > fwd

The genesis will run you just over 30k when you're done with financing and taxes, find out what an SI will be afterwards. As for insurance, I pay $150/month for full coverage with the genesis. I imagine I'd pay more for the civic. Any insurance place should be able to give you a rate for each vehicle, seeing as how no ones crashed or stolen a genesis yet, it should be cheaper.


Go out and drive both, today. Let us know what you think. (make sure traction control is off in the genesis ;) )

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

well said, test drive it is probably the best way.


Dont get me wrong, hyundai has fucking huge over the past decade. More than the americans i must admite. Back in 90s the electronic part was never able to introduced into N.A, even if it was no one would wonna buy them.


My philosophy is JDM over korean made if it was the same price.
Goes for car and electronics, hell even cell phone. But if it was cheaper i'd definitely consider it



genesis insurance definitely a lot cheaper tho

[sas]

RWD VS FWD. It's that simple. Drive both, see what you prefer.

30k for a Civic is crazy and is notorious for high insurance costs. An ITR with bolt ons will run high 13's as well. Check the honda-tech thread.

[TheSalesman]

he's only a salesman, he doesn't know what hes talking about. and it would be a 2.4L motor.. he said k24/k20 frankenstein.

i said nearly 400whp
but anyways
heres a 363whp one
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1880928
and i dont know what im talking about? thats why i have a 4cyl NA that runs 13.1 in a 2700lbs car right?
will be 12.9 this friday if its nice out.

heres another simple build
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1718890

both these threads are OLD...2-3 years ago....sooo, yeah.

[TheSalesman]

k24/k20 hybrid will not get to 400whp N/A. btw it's flashpro for Si, not Kpro.

coming from an Si driver for over 1.5years, don't get it. lacks power until 5-6K rpm. vtec kicks in at 5800, peak torque at 6100.

and btw, that is tuned on kpro, not flashpro :thumbsup:

[darkness]

This looks like fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g

[orange7]

have you thought of getting a bmw 323i (without any option)?

or a 128i (without any option).

don't be scared with the online prices, you can easily bargain your way down to somewhere 30k or even 28k, 29k before taxes and PDI.

[!Yaminashi]

Maybe some ppl forgot to mention that the genesis warranty might be better as well?

[spoonek4]

Personal preference really....I would like to see what happen a few years later. Whether I see more Genesis/Civics in the used car lot/wreck yard instead of the street.

[d1]

show me a fucking 4 banger with bolt on that does 13.5 than

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

what u gonna say now? mazdaspeed 3? STi? EVo? fuck anything u slap on a turbo /sc/ nitrous is fast ok
Any engine can make a gazillion hp when u slap on the turbo and make one pass so u can claim YUP i run 11s baby, than KABOOM on ur next run



350z/370z with 300hp + does 14.0 to 14.3 in 1/4 mile, and thats a fucking V6

The fact is, almost every car competing with the current Si is boosted from the factory - ms3, wrx, ralliart, cooperS and what do you know? they're all faster than the k20 powered Si. The k20 may respond well to bolt-ons for what it is, but an ms3 gains 15whp and 20ft/lb of torque from just an intake. And you know what? nobody gives a shit if one is n/a and the other is turbo; results are what matter.

[tofu1413]

genesis is more mod friendly imo. we just have to wait for the shit load of aftermarket parts for it to make a true performer.



but then again, if u want a daily driver, that u wont mod, and dont mind getting ur ass kicked with, the civic SEDAN is a good choice. i still think the sedan looks better than the coupe! (and at least it doesnt have that huge C pillar blind spot.. ugh)



edit//


actually... if you want a fast 4cyl rwd turbo car... go pick up urself a good condition 944 turbo for about 12k or less! smoke both of those cars out of the box, and it responds very well to mods. that and you'd be storming through the highway @ 270km/h easily. but hey, thats just me ;)

[spoonek4]

If I have a Si, I would put in a set of camber bolts up front & probably go get about -1.8 camber & a bit of toe out up front right away. Cheap mod that works well with a cost under $200. Btw doesn't the genesis understeer quite a bit in the test drive video too?

Anyway I would enjoy driving a civic sedan than a civic/genesis coupe. Not because of the JDM FD2R or whatever reason, just because I'm getting sick of the 2dr idea in some ways.

[4444]

i have an Si - nice car, would i buy another? no

then again, my first car cost me $3,000

as a first car - buy used (unless you're spoilt and have parents buying it for you - yes, hate on me all you want, but we should all grow some balls and buy our own shit and not live in our parent's cunts our whole lives)

personally, for $30K, i'd pick up a used boxster S from the states

[CivicTypeRice]

OP you can buy my 07 Si!

[orange7]

when is the next gen for civics?
This model has been around since the last gen corolla.

I guess Honda needs to develope new (gutless I4) engines before it can release another model for the civics.

[CorneringArtist]

I heard that the 2.0T in the Genesis is just a slight modification of the one from the Evo, the block comes from the Lancer Ralliart, and a few of the internals are different.

[sas]

I heard that the 2.0T in the Genesis is just a slight modification of the one from the Evo, the block comes from the Lancer Ralliart, and a few of the internals are different.

Also, the engineers hinted that they didn't make it a challange to hack on purpose. Always been a Honda man, but I do have to say, it will be interesting to see what tuners can do with this car.

[ilvtofu]

Went to check out the genesis 2.0T, the GT package was tempting me but the $6k price difference said no way... I really dig the brakes though :(

So the guy quoted me around $500/month on a 48month finance which seems pretty reasonable :thumbsup: especially since leasing a wrx on a 48 month is about the same if i remember correctly, will need a test drive to seal the deal though

EDIT: wow just checked online, and just from walking in the guy offers me 4k off the MSRP!?!?!? :thumbsup: ;)

[GordonTse]

i said nearly 400whp
but anyways
heres a 363whp one
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1880928
and i dont know what im talking about? thats why i have a 4cyl NA that runs 13.1 in a 2700lbs car right?
will be 12.9 this friday if its nice out.

heres another simple build
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1718890

both these threads are OLD...2-3 years ago....sooo, yeah.

1. they didn't mention crank size or compression
2. running on race gas
3. dyno'd on dynapack.. someone mentioned it would possibly read 310-320whp on a dynojet.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^


each dyno can read quite differently

[GordonTse]

^


each dyno can read quite differently

dynapack dynos connect straight to the hubs of the vehicle i'm pretty sure. so they'll read different than a dyno with rollers

[!Aznboi128]

both are good cars

but on different levels, the civic with some minor mods will be quite good for auto-x while the genesis would be track/drag

I drove the Genesis before, it feels a little slow just because of the weight. But it's NOT a slow car, when the turbo kicks in, it feels great

[one2one]

werd

dont know wat kind of cracks ppl are on, HOLLY FUCKING SHIT GENESIS 2.0T is like a million times faster than Si :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: in fact its not

slower than Si with same hp output higher torque rating yet slower

similiar hp/torque rating against its competitor for the V6 engine yet slower than 350z/370z



at the end? hyundai and kia? no thank you

.

Sony/Panasonic or samsung/LG?

i will take japanese brand, thank you

You Sir is an Idiot. Sony uses alot of Samsung LCD technolgy. BTW, Sony was slow in entering the LCD market still making their trinitron tube while Samsung was already building LCD technology

[one2one]

Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo > grocery getter (CIVIC Si)

[Toeknee]

when is the next gen for civics?
This model has been around since the last gen corolla.

I guess Honda needs to develope new (gutless I4) engines before it can release another model for the civics.

I've read somewhere that the next gen's release is delayed til 2012, and that Honda is planning on making Civic into Prius's competitor (a hybrid slightly more expensive/well-packaged than Insight).

...Yeah don't expect any more high revving engines from Honda, if the above are true we probably won't see any

[nabs]

You Sir is an Idiot. Sony uses alot of Samsung LCD technolgy. BTW, Sony was slow in entering the LCD market still making their trinitron tube while Samsung was already building LCD technology


PSP screens are made by sharp, lol. i found that interesting when i cracked open my psp.

[Toeknee]

Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo > grocery getter (CIVIC Si)

You've said that in both threads. Your comments sound like hateful bash towards SI owners rather than advice to the OP. Of course, if I could rebuy a car, I would get a used STI or something instead of an SI, and I'm sure 99% of everyone on this forum would do so. But most of us don't have the luxury to do that so that's why we stick with what we got. Give it a rest already.

[Drift_Monkey]

i'm voting for the Genesis.

[orange7]

I've read somewhere that the next gen's release is delayed til 2012, and that Honda is planning on making Civic into Prius's competitor (a hybrid slightly more expensive/well-packaged than Insight).

...Yeah don't expect any more high revving engines from Honda, if the above are true we probably won't see any

wait.. doesn't the insight compete with the prius? If honda make the civic to compete with the prius, them what is going to compete with the corolla?

[silk]

vote for genesis !!!

The girls nowadays digs more about interior

[Toeknee]

Oh nevermind correction... I think it doesn't apply to USDM market...
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=831062

9th-gen Civic:

Due to the success of the Freed mini-van and the runaway success of the Insight hybrid in Japan, Honda is considering changing its focus of the Civic. Although the Civic Type R is still popular, it isn't as nearly as popular as before, and consequently Honda is considering making the Civic more specialized as a Hybrid platform.

Although the 2-box hatchback was popular when it was introduced in 1972, by the 90s the popularity and sales of hatchbacks declined. Consequently hatchbacks became a Europe-only model.

In Japan car sizes are delineated by license plate numbers, and with a total size measuring over 4.5 meters, the Civic could no longer be considered a compact, "city person's car."As a result, sales have been on the decline.

Since the current-gen does not have much of a presence, Honda is considering positioning the Civic as geared towards a Hybrid-specialized car. They hope by doing so that the brand value would increase, and possibly that Honda will position the Civic as a more upscale version than the Insight. As such, the Civic might become a direct competitor to the Prius, which is priced higher than the Insight.

Within the company, the next-gen Civic has the code name 2HC, and are aiming for monthly sales of 900 a month.

Overseas, it's expected that the Civic will use gasoline engines, but the exact engine has yet to be determined. Given the success of the current-gen Civic overseas (US, Europe), the line-up is likely to not change abroad: coupes and sedans for the US, and Fit-platform-based 3-dr and 5-dr hatchbacks for Europe.

What about the Type R? Right now, it's confirmed that the Type R with a sedan is not being planned, both domestic and overseas.

Hybrid CR-Z:
1.5L + electric motor, 6-spd manual as well as CVT option.
Slated for first-half of 2010 debut
Expected to see prototype at Tokyo motor show
Monthly target sales 2500 units/month in US, 1500/month in Europe, 850/month in Japan

[Fay_lo]

i vote genesis..

[ShaughnessyREN]

if u want a fast car without mods, get the SI
if u wanna burn thousands of greens get the genesis

coupe SI > sedan si

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

vote for genesis !!!

The girls nowadays digs more about interior

wait till they see the badge

[turboy]

WOW compare a genesis to a g37?
they maybe in the similar hp group...but ppl differnt pricings!!!
im korean and not saying korean cars rule but they r good for their price
korean companys make good car
but genesis is their first in alot of things so i would think again in buying that car
genesis 2.0t is their 1.first high performace turbo car 2, first rwd car
as in a civic u got holy @#$@#$ long history of fwd vtec.
but new civic si.... they over did it... u got the 200hp but seriously nooooooooooo torqe
im a 07 civic si owner and hate the dam torqe that i put turbo to satisfy myself:)

[CivicTypeRice]

Get an ITR. Quicker than Si and Genesis.

[tofu1413]

WOW compare a genesis to a g37?
they maybe in the similar hp group...but ppl differnt pricings!!!
im korean and not saying korean cars rule but they r good for their price
korean companys make good car
but genesis is their first in alot of things so i would think again in buying that car
genesis 2.0t is their 1.first high performace turbo car 2, first rwd car
as in a civic u got holy @#$@#$ long history of fwd vtec.
but new civic si.... they over did it... u got the 200hp but seriously nooooooooooo torqe
im a 07 civic si owner and hate the dam torqe that i put turbo to satisfy myself:)

maybe you should mod your english too.

[Drift_Monkey]

if you want a cheap knock-off SI look alike.

Get the KIA FORTE.

[josel_atr]

genesis!

[orange7]

cobalt SS?

[punkwax]

3 simple words.

Don't buy Hyundai.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

thank you

[turboy]

maybe you should mod your english too.

oh ya working on that too:)

[CRS]

3 simple words.

Don't buy Hyundai.

But why not?

You simply can't make statements like that without some kind of credible source and reasons why not.

[Meowjin]

Probably hates koreans.

[Toeknee]

for $30k you can get:
-SI with k20, which is not turbo charged. It's got incredible amount of potential even for an NA engine though. But then in the end NA is an NA. And no it's not overpriced. Overpriced would be paying $36k for DC5
-Genesis with 2.0T. Although I'm not sure if it's even any better than GTI's 2.0T which is in the same price range.

or you could save up $4k more and get a mazdaspeed3. It's a better car in all aspects than either of those.

or you could save up $8k more and get a base STI from the states :)

[SpuGen]

Probably hates koreans.

But ddukboki is so good.

I'd go with the Genesis. The Si is fun to drive, pretty quic, good potential etc
But it's not Turbo RWD.

Everybody was bitching that they wanted a budget Turbo RWD car for YEARS. Now Hyundai makes one, and people would rather get the Civic?

[Meowjin]

But ddukboki is so good.

I'd go with the Genesis. The Si is fun to drive, pretty quic, good potential etc
But it's not Turbo RWD.

Everybody was bitching that they wanted a budget Turbo RWD car for YEARS. Now Hyundai makes one, and people would rather get the Civic?

no honda/japanese fan boys would rather get civic.

[BoS_DC2]

no honda/japanese fan boys would rather get civic.

x2 :thumbsup:

[punkwax]

But why not?

You simply can't make statements like that without some kind of credible source and reasons why not.

Because they're crap. It's science. Look it up. :p

I've known people who've owned Hyundai's and they all have one thing in common - they all end up hating their Hyundai. Mind you I haven't known a Hyundai driver in quite a while.. I guess they've all learned. :D

I've heard Hyundai's have improved in quality. But the scar is too deep. I shall never own a Hyundai. Nor a KIA.

No racist.

[ilvtofu]

^pretty racist... don't compare the brand new genesis coupe's quality to that of the original hyundai pony. They're a huge company and are pretty significant when it comes to global market share, I think you just know the wrong people (although I don't know that many hyundai owners either ;)) Don't be so quick to judge friend

[spoon.ek9]

would we really be having this discussion if the civic were a 2.0L turbo stock? nope.

so why are we capable of debating which is better between a 2.0L NA and a 2.0L Turbo? OH YEAH, cuz it's a k20 from Honda.

as for the warranty comments, Honda has a reputation for reliability. There simply is no need to beef up the image with such a huge warranty period.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

hyundai cant back shit up


so today a random company comes out with a gazillion HP and torque bang for $20g, everyone is gonna jump on the boat and snap the product without even opening? wtf

no reliablity history, equals cant back shit up

therefore i aint gonna be the lab mouse


i will fucking pass and stick with a reliable brand.


any jdm brand > korean brand

that includes low selling jap brand like mitsu, subie, suzuki

[ilvtofu]

^i think it is you that cannot back shit up, to assume that they are reliable, when 5 years ago consumers reports recommended every single toyota model, but now to find that in some models the 3.5 V6 has been quite unreliable. And how about subaru and their WRX engine failures? I am not saying jap cars are unreliable, but to call every fucking one a "reliable jap brand" based on stereotyping reliable cars like the civic or corolla is quite ammusing

[dL]

+1 to Roach's insight, +1 to ilvtofu above. -1 to people who simply states opinions because Jap > Korean. Talk about some fanboys here.

Try them both out and see which one will give you a better value. Also keep in mind how long you plan to keep this car for (within warranty or not), cuz then reliability would probably be just as important as all the other factors.

One thing the fanboys in this thread nailed is the fact that Korean brands are still relatively new to the market than Japanese, which means it is more or less a guessing game whether Korean cars will really live up to its expectations in the long run. The Japanese have proved it, but it doesn't necessarily mean every single Japanese brand and model out there can live up to its reputation in reliability.

If you want assurance in reliability at this point, I must say Honda based on their history, reputation, and quality of materials. However, for everything else, I would personally go for Genesis (because I generally don't think I will be keeping the same car for more than 5 years, but that might not be you)

One last thing, don't forget about winter and snow. RWD is gonna be harder to drive than FWD in the snow.

dL

[Great68]

Car & Driver raw test data sheets:

Civic (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/bfee54583e7109102b07629d0e67b783.pdf)

Genesis 2.0T (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/3a3fb3bc85c41addd8b1b1ad7402e185.pdf)

And just for fun: MS3 (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/31c2f9d0ec67f09bfceb42605548602d.pdf)

[AzNightmare]

what a dilemma...
Either being accused of being a "Honda fanboi"
or
People saying "meh... still a Korean car"

[ilvtofu]

^I think you got it wrong,
Honda fanboi describing the genesis as 'still a korean car'

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

it is a korean car, is it not?

just because this year they release a new car doesnt make this brand a OMFG decent brand.


honda fan boy eh? if so u must be a honda hater

[pandalove]

on paper hyundai is a better car .... but would you buy one over a honda to live with ...? probably not

[J-Chow]

depends. Genesis is still too new. Give it a year or two to settle out any recalls or tweaks here and there.

And regarding the image of Hyundai.

Yes. It's a Hyundai, not as "reliable" as a Honda . . . . . . but then again, could you justify paying $26k+ for a civic?

[pandalove]

depends. Genesis is still too new. Give it a year or two to settle out any recalls or tweaks here and there.

And regarding the image of Hyundai.

Yes. It's a Hyundai, not as "reliable" as a Honda . . . . . . but then again, could you justify paying $26k+ for a civic?

true but that begs the question can you justify paying 26k+ for a hyundai

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i cant


can u justify paying $25g for a Impreza, yet along a turbo one for 10-20 g more

[pandalove]

25g for their awd isn't so bad

[ilvtofu]

it is a korean car, is it not?

just because this year they release a new car doesnt make this brand a OMFG decent brand.


honda fan boy eh? if so u must be a honda hater

I found your music video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff89B8YmTJo

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cool


:thumbsup:

[Toeknee]

depends. Genesis is still too new. Give it a year or two to settle out any recalls or tweaks here and there.

And regarding the image of Hyundai.

Yes. It's a Hyundai, not as "reliable" as a Honda . . . . . . but then again, could you justify paying $26k+ for a civic?

Can you justify $36k for CSX-S or RSX-S? Same powerplant

[CivicTypeRice]

I found your music video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff89B8YmTJo
I posted that in the fucked up shit thread :mad:

[SpuGen]

What the fuck is a saddap?
Lol at dirty Asians.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Can you justify $36k for CSX-S or RSX-S? Same powerplant

DC5 was $31-33g not $36

[J-Chow]

i cant


can u justify paying $25g for a Impreza, yet along a turbo one for 10-20 g more

Can you justify $36k for CSX-S or RSX-S? Same powerplant

true that. The best route is just to test drive both vehicles, compare specs, then compare pricing, and keep in mind the weather conditions you will be driving in, along with insurance and gas prices, passengers, and vehicle maintenance prices.

[pandalove]

you know but all you people's standard ... there is no car that is good i can't get a civic because everyone has one ... i can't get a hyundai cuz its crap ...

[t7n7]

Genesis hands down. Looks better, more comfortable, faster, cheaper ... its the new Civic.

[AzNightmare]

Can you justify paying xx,xxx for any car?
It's all about how deep your wallet is.

[Toeknee]

true that. The best route is just to test drive both vehicles, compare specs, then compare pricing, and keep in mind the weather conditions you will be driving in, along with insurance and gas prices, passengers, and vehicle maintenance prices.

/thread

[TripleXXX]

bashing on Civic Si again? nice try fake account!

[1990TSI]

bashing on Civic Si again? nice try fake account!



The fuck you talking about?

[CivicTypeRice]

Genesis Airbags = FAIL!
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-crash-airbags-fail/




http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hyundai-genesis-coupe-1-accident.jpg


http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hyundai-genesis-coupe-11-accident.jpg

[1990TSI]

^^^

pre production model. wasn't supposed to be on the streets, as in it wasn't ready yet.

also, that is the first time in automotive history that an airbag hasn't went off. Because of that picture alone I'm afriad to drive a vehicle at all.


While we're posting pictures without knowing the whole background. I'm gonna sell my car because it could catch fire at any moment

http://streetkaizo.com/kaizophoto/wp-content/gallery/genesis-fire/dd28_genesis_002.jpg


Never mind the fact that it was pushing over 450hp to the wheels and was at a race event, you shouldn't buy one of these cars because it will catch fire for sure!!!!!!11

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Genesis Airbags = FAIL!
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-crash-airbags-fail/




http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hyundai-genesis-coupe-1-accident.jpg


http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hyundai-genesis-coupe-11-accident.jpg


:thumbsup:
coool

but that was old news, before releasing to the market officially i believe

[CRS]

^^^

pre production model. wasn't supposed to be on the streets, as in it wasn't ready yet.

also, that is the first time in automotive history that an airbag hasn't went off. Because of that picture alone I'm afriad to drive a vehicle at all.


While we're posting pictures without knowing the whole background. I'm gonna sell my car because it could catch fire at any moment

http://streetkaizo.com/kaizophoto/wp-content/gallery/genesis-fire/dd28_genesis_002.jpg


Never mind the fact that it was pushing over 450hp to the wheels and was at a race event, you shouldn't buy one of these cars because it will catch fire for sure!!!!!!11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzCXyQ-bv0

[spoon.ek9]

Canyonero! that episode was frickin hilarious the first time i watched it! hah.

[TripleXXX]

genesis has been out for how many months now? I've only seen ONE on the road so far...

has to be 1990TSI, I passed him at lougheed hwy and he gave me that mad look ;) VVVVTTTEEEECCCCCCCC! it's only a Si.

http://streetkaizo.com/kaizophoto/wp-content/gallery/genesis-fire/dd28_genesis_002.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i only seen less than 10 of them.

Brand image still kicks in. $25 start, tops $30g, than tops $35g for v6

than sedan starts $35, tops $48g for top model. Who in their right mind wonna pay for a company that was once shitty (dont know about now because only time will tell) instead paying for something more reliable with a better brand image.

WRX, MS3, GTi / G35 sedan, M35, TL, 3 series/5 series, or add a bit more money and get a E class if u are gonna spend $50g on a hyundai


today people will start buying korean brands only when its cheaper than japanese brand.

WHen a Sony panel lines up side by side with samsung/LG , if they were the same price which one will sell more? I would be willing to buy a samsung (owned many samsung products in the past) when it is cheaper. A $3000 dollar 55" tv if its $500 + cheaper than i would consider samsung. Same thing with cars. Is samsung a bad product? no but if they were the exact same price as some jap brand, than its absolutely a no brainer to go with the jap. Same thing applies to car industry


car industry wise, when was the last time u saw a person driving hyundai/kia? its either gonna be A a white dude, B a korean patriot.

[SpuGen]

Not everyone needs the brand name to justify paying more for something. Especially when it's overpriced for less.

We call these people brand whores, in typical Vancouver fashion.
I'm a brand whore myself, but I'll go for whatever is the better deal.

SSR/Work/Volks Vs Rota/Motegi/XXR(sportmax) I would go with the Legit stuff. Only because it's legit, come in better sizes, and fake wheels are for broke faggots.

Japanese Vs Korean - It could go either way. Back then, it would be Japanese cars easily, but now Hyundai has a car with a great platform. I'm all in for the Genesis. I'm not looking for Lexus quality for this price.

The list can keep going.
"tried and true" vs "new and unknown"
As a consumer, I'm gonna look for the best value and quality for the price.
As a car enthusiast, I'm gonna look for a good platform that's fun. RWD.
I'm Young Male adult. I'm not looking for a car that will last until I'm Married. The wife can buy groceries.

Even if the Genesis was at exactly the same price or more than the Civic, I would go for the Genesis. And just throwing it in; I'd go for the Vette or Viper Vs the GTR.

[CRS]

i only seen less than 10 of them.

Brand image still kicks in. $25 start, tops $30g, than tops $35g for v6

than sedan starts $35, tops $48g for top model. Who in their right mind wonna pay for a company that was once shitty (dont know about now because only time will tell) instead paying for something more reliable with a better brand image.

WRX, MS3, GTi / G35 sedan, M35, TL, 3 series/5 series, or add a bit more money and get a E class if u are gonna spend $50g on a hyundai


today people will start buying korean brands only when its cheaper than japanese brand.

WHen a Sony panel lines up side by side with samsung/LG , if they were the same price which one will sell more? I would be willing to buy a samsung (owned many samsung products in the past) when it is cheaper. A $3000 dollar 55" tv if its $500 + cheaper than i would consider samsung. Same thing with cars. Is samsung a bad product? no but if they were the exact same price as some jap brand, than its absolutely a no brainer to go with the jap. Same thing applies to car industry


car industry wise, when was the last time u saw a person driving hyundai/kia? its either gonna be A a white dude, B a korean patriot.

I think that you forgot when Japanese brands were actually crappy..

[silk]

whenever there is mugen in a AUTO forum, there is party ..

potential FC material

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I think that you forgot when Japanese brands were actually crappy..

when?

if during the time when japanese brands were crappy, what were the decent brands back than.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Not everyone needs the brand name to justify paying more for something. Especially when it's overpriced for less.

We call these people brand whores, in typical Vancouver fashion.
I'm a brand whore myself, but I'll go for whatever is the better deal.

SSR/Work/Volks Vs Rota/Motegi/XXR(sportmax) I would go with the Legit stuff. Only because it's legit, come in better sizes, and fake wheels are for broke faggots.

Japanese Vs Korean - It could go either way. Back then, it would be Japanese cars easily, but now Hyundai has a car with a great platform. I'm all in for the Genesis. I'm not looking for Lexus quality for this price.

The list can keep going.
"tried and true" vs "new and unknown"
As a consumer, I'm gonna look for the best value and quality for the price.
As a car enthusiast, I'm gonna look for a good platform that's fun. RWD.
I'm Young Male adult. I'm not looking for a car that will last until I'm Married. The wife can buy groceries.

Even if the Genesis was at exactly the same price or more than the Civic, I would go for the Genesis. And just throwing it in; I'd go for the Vette or Viper Vs the GTR.

van fashion is played out to the max

i agree on using legit brands, knock offs is for wonna be people. Get the real deal or gtfo and not get it at all.




last but not least
Different strokes for different folks afterall.


Dont get me wrong hyundai imrpoved HUGEEEEEE over the last decade, just that if they were cheaper than i'd be down for it.

[silk]

when?

if during the time when japanese brands were crappy, what were the decent brands back than.

Ford sho babe !!



pay a visit to Detroit GM

[jlai23]

i say genesis... civic too common, no offense

[Jackygor]

when?

if during the time when japanese brands were crappy, what were the decent brands back than.

/off topic

You know how American cars were really cool back then? That was when Japanese brand were considered shitty. Look, every brand starts somewhere, and I applaud Hyundai for making the Genesis. It is proving to be a very good car based on the awards it has won. Much like the G coupe and G sedan, I believe Hyundai is trying to replicate the success of Infiniti back in the early 2000, when they took a big chunk of the market off BMW's 3 series. Face it, as of right now, Hyundai is actually a more exciting brand then Honda AND Acura, so you can stop with your Honda fanboyism. Hyundai, as the shitty korean brand you perceive, has 2 things that Honda does not have in their current line up, RWD and V8. I know these 2 things doesn't automatically equal success, but find me a tier one luxury car manufacturer that doesn't have both. While Hyundai is busy building a better brand image trying to enter the 7 series/s500 market, for example the Equus, what does Honda/Acura do? They fucken build an Accord Crosstour/ZDX. Seriously, what the fuck is that shit? Honda is slowly turning into what Toyota is now, a company that has no passion for making exciting cars.

Equus

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/hyundai-equus-0218-2_opt.jpg

Crosstour

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/crosstour1.jpg

[spoon.ek9]

i agree that honda isn't making anymore race themed cars but there's a couple of realities to that, that you must acknowledge.

1. toyota is one of honda's fiercest competitors. honda has to follow suit to not lose ground in both the hybrid class and the crossovers. don't get me wrong, i think the accord crosstour is going to be a massive fail. but just like hyundai starting with the genesis, honda has to start somewhere with their crosstour. i'm also bewildered that they didn't bring over the accord wagon instead :(

2. the market for pure sports cars is no longer as strong as it used to be. as most of you know the new nsx project was axed to have honda focus on it's "green" side and promote other things.

sure, i hate the idea that honda is no longer interested in making type R's but this is a company; this is NOT anyone's personal car maker. many of you also argue that Honda pulling out of F1 shows weakness and a lack of interest in racing. this is a recession. if it were my company, i too, would cut my expenditures. wouldn't you do the same??

someone mentioned before that the Si is a compromise between both worlds. economic but also some performance is in the package. this is probably the fairest assessment.

like i said earlier in this thread, we're comparing a 2.0L NA with a 2.0L Turbo. stock for stock, the cars are similar in speed. what else could you ask for from the Si?

everyone accusing us honda fans of being pure fanboys fail to see that you too are fanboys; for RWD! a biased opinion is only worth so much, on EITHER side of the argument.

[SpuGen]

van fashion is played out to the max

i agree on using legit brands, knock offs is for wonna be people. Get the real deal or gtfo and not get it at all.




last but not least
Different strokes for different folks afterall.


Dont get me wrong hyundai imrpoved HUGEEEEEE over the last decade, just that if they were cheaper than i'd be down for it.

Yup.

I respect Honda's, but since they're not the one with a 2 liter Turbo RWD, my vote goes for Hyundai.

If the world was askewed, and Korean cars were the shit, and Japanese cars just started to make a Turbo RWD car, would the choices be the same?

The general consensus would be going for the Korean car, and my choice would still go to the Turbo RWD car. Those are the facts.

Other than Catchy songs, fucked up dramas, awesome spicy food, and Hyori Lee, Korea is bringing some new shit onto the table. I respect that.

I expect the same shit to happen in the next decade when Chinese cars (hell, even thier economy) start to take over.

[impactX]

i only seen less than 10 of them.

Brand image still kicks in. $25 start, tops $30g, than tops $35g for v6

than sedan starts $35, tops $48g for top model. Who in their right mind wonna pay for a company that was once shitty (dont know about now because only time will tell) instead paying for something more reliable with a better brand image.

WRX, MS3, GTi / G35 sedan, M35, TL, 3 series/5 series, or add a bit more money and get a E class if u are gonna spend $50g on a hyundai


today people will start buying korean brands only when its cheaper than japanese brand.

WHen a Sony panel lines up side by side with samsung/LG , if they were the same price which one will sell more? I would be willing to buy a samsung (owned many samsung products in the past) when it is cheaper. A $3000 dollar 55" tv if its $500 + cheaper than i would consider samsung. Same thing with cars. Is samsung a bad product? no but if they were the exact same price as some jap brand, than its absolutely a no brainer to go with the jap. Same thing applies to car industry


car industry wise, when was the last time u saw a person driving hyundai/kia? its either gonna be A a white dude, B a korean patriot.

Bad example.

Q: Don't these TVs use Samsung panels in them? Doesn't that mean that a Samsung LCD will be just as good?
A: No, not necessarily. Each should be judged on their own merits.

Both Samsung and Sony LCDs (as well as many other brands) use panels produced in a factory called S-LCD. Financially, this is a joint venture between Sony and Samsung (they own roughly half of the facility each). It would seem however that the panels are the end result of Samsung's research, so the claim that "Sony LCDs use Samsung panels" is not totally invalid.

Much of the original problems with Samsung LCDs related to their lack of user control, which meant that although the same panels were found in many Sony and Samsung displays, the Sonys would allow for a superior picture. As of 2009, the performance gap has closed, and in fact, Samsung offer better calibration options than Sony.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i agree that honda isn't making anymore race themed cars but there's a couple of realities to that, that you must acknowledge.

1. toyota is one of honda's fiercest competitors. honda has to follow suit to not lose ground in both the hybrid class and the crossovers. don't get me wrong, i think the accord crosstour is going to be a massive fail. but just like hyundai starting with the genesis, honda has to start somewhere with their crosstour. i'm also bewildered that they didn't bring over the accord wagon instead :(

2. the market for pure sports cars is no longer as strong as it used to be. as most of you know the new nsx project was axed to have honda focus on it's "green" side and promote other things.

sure, i hate the idea that honda is no longer interested in making type R's but this is a company; this is NOT anyone's personal car maker. many of you also argue that Honda pulling out of F1 shows weakness and a lack of interest in racing. this is a recession. if it were my company, i too, would cut my expenditures. wouldn't you do the same??

someone mentioned before that the Si is a compromise between both worlds. economic but also some performance is in the package. this is probably the fairest assessment.

like i said earlier in this thread, we're comparing a 2.0L NA with a 2.0L Turbo. stock for stock, the cars are similar in speed. what else could you ask for from the Si?

everyone accusing us honda fans of being pure fanboys fail to see that you too are fanboys; for RWD! a biased opinion is only worth so much, on EITHER side of the argument.
well said :)

u gotta give it to honda for producing less torque yet acceleration is the same if not similar. As mentioned before, when smaller displacement trying to produce more HP per liter it is not a easy task. It needs to rev, that is the only way to produce horsepower. U may think honda is a shitty company but the fact is its the same way ferrari makes their power too. Sure its a V8 obviously it makes more hp/torque but their engine does not make maximum power until u hit high rpms (8000rpm) and above as well.
Yup.

I respect Honda's, but since they're not the one with a 2 liter Turbo RWD, my vote goes for Hyundai.

If the world was askewed, and Korean cars were the shit, and Japanese cars just started to make a Turbo RWD car, would the choices be the same?

The general consensus would be going for the Korean car, and my choice would still go to the Turbo RWD car. Those are the facts.

Other than Catchy songs, fucked up dramas, awesome spicy food, and Hyori Lee, Korea is bringing some new shit onto the table. I respect that.

I expect the same shit to happen in the next decade when Chinese cars (hell, even thier economy) start to take over.

:thumbsup: i respect that

[bengy]

You know you're a delusional fanboy when you are comparing Honda to a Ferari.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

sorry i smoked crack before coming to work this morning

[Jackygor]

i agree that honda isn't making anymore race themed cars but there's a couple of realities to that, that you must acknowledge.

1. toyota is one of honda's fiercest competitors. honda has to follow suit to not lose ground in both the hybrid class and the crossovers. don't get me wrong, i think the accord crosstour is going to be a massive fail. but just like hyundai starting with the genesis, honda has to start somewhere with their crosstour. i'm also bewildered that they didn't bring over the accord wagon instead :(

2. the market for pure sports cars is no longer as strong as it used to be. as most of you know the new nsx project was axed to have honda focus on it's "green" side and promote other things.

sure, i hate the idea that honda is no longer interested in making type R's but this is a company; this is NOT anyone's personal car maker. many of you also argue that Honda pulling out of F1 shows weakness and a lack of interest in racing. this is a recession. if it were my company, i too, would cut my expenditures. wouldn't you do the same??

someone mentioned before that the Si is a compromise between both worlds. economic but also some performance is in the package. this is probably the fairest assessment.

like i said earlier in this thread, we're comparing a 2.0L NA with a 2.0L Turbo. stock for stock, the cars are similar in speed. what else could you ask for from the Si?

everyone accusing us honda fans of being pure fanboys fail to see that you too are fanboys; for RWD! a biased opinion is only worth so much, on EITHER side of the argument.

So as a sport car enthusiast, yourself, you are happy that Honda is focusing on making cars you do not enjoyable driving? Let me get this straight, I do not dislike Hondas, I would love to see them make create another S2k, another NSX, TSX Type-S with awd and turbo charged engine, but what do they do? They fucken put that 2.4 liter engine turbocharged engine in a fucken RDX. That is fucked up. They have all these technology that can be made into a really competitive sport car, but they don't, they make another crossover. I know Honda can make a good sport car (S2k, NSX), but it is sad to see that they have no passion for making anything more then anything based off the accord chassis as well as their V6.

The sport market have shrunk yes, you don't see other car manufacturers suddenly stop making sporty cars and switched over to making hybrid cars? Do you? At least not on the scale of Honda has. I also acknowledge that there is a recession, and it does make sense for Honda to pull out of F1, but you know what? Even prior to the recession, Honda have been talking about bringing back the NSX, and now we are in the middle of it, we still have no NSX.

Hey you know what too? Hyundai happens to be one of Toyota's biggest competitor too! They seem to make more exciting cars!

You know what is the biggest difference between Toyota and Honda/Acura? It is that most people don't associate Toyota with Lexus, while most people see Honda and Acura as the same. This is why no one really gives a shit that Toyota makes boring cars, since Lexus ARE making, new, exciting and competitive cars in its class (IS-F, IS350, LS...etc).

I am not going to go there on RWD vs FWD, because nothing constructive we haven't heard before would be said anyways.

The truth of the matter is, as of right now, I truly believe Hyundai, even out of the realm of the Genesis vs Si discussion, has more to offer in their lineup than Honda. And if I am a Honda fanboy like Mugen, I too would flip the fuck out if anyone said a Hyundai is better than a Honda, because it is.

[spoon.ek9]

holy crap dude, you missed every single point i made in that post. read it again, slowly.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:haha::haha::haha: lolll shittt i got stirred into the pot


funny shit



hey my point being jap cars > korean cars IF they were the same price, why not

button line if prices were the same people would consider buying a japanese brand over korean brand. Now if korean brands were cheaper, their sales would go up because more people would think twice before making the purchase.

[1990TSI]

You know you're as ignorant as the domestic drivers from 'the south' (that you hate) that won't even consider a japanese (or asian) car because it's not american.

Have you even driven a Genesis? a 2.0T?

[ChinesePetro]

ok here is my thoughts after reading 5 pages of blah
Honda > Hyundai
Genesis > Civic Si

this thread was to compare genesis & civic si... not hyundai vs honda.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

You know you're as ignorant as the domestic drivers from 'the south' (that you hate) that won't even consider a japanese (or asian) car because it's not american.

Have you even driven a Genesis? a 2.0T?

i guess i know wat im doing this weekend

Hyundai dealership!!!!!!

:D

hey i have shit loads of korean products too ok

;)

[CivicTypeRice]

i guess i know wat im doing this weekend

Hyundai dealership!!!!!!

:D

hey i have shit loads of korean products too ok

;)
Be careful dude. The airbags are faulty and the car may spontaneously engulf into flames :D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

see if i show up on the news the next day than
;)

[CRS]

i guess i know wat im doing this weekend

Hyundai dealership!!!!!!

:D

hey i have shit loads of korean products too ok

;)

Do it!

Tell us how it goes.

[1990TSI]

Do it!

Tell us how it goes.


I'd love to hear it as well.

for bonus points, If you do. I'll go to a honda dealer and talk myself into a test drive with a new SI.

I'll also be able to look at their pricing compared to what I paid for mine, then fully judge the differences.

I've only put about 300kms of highway driving in an SI and have over 13k on a gencoupe, so the more SI seat time the better.

[speedking]

ok here is my thoughts after reading 5 pages of blah
Honda > Hyundai
Genesis > Civic Si

this thread was to compare genesis & civic si... not hyundai vs honda.


my vote goes to civic si

reason:
k-series are great engine (very reliable)
lots of aftermarket parts support
fun to drive (8000rpm red line)

[CivicTypeRice]

^ Its actually 8200rpm redline :thumbsup:

[speedking]

^ Its actually 8200rpm redline :thumbsup:


my bad...i'm not really sure the redline so i just guess.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

rev limiter is 8500rpm lol





ya i search it up, the closest dealership is in port moody.


will find a time to test out their new car


V6 and 2.0T should be intersting to drive

[CivicTypeRice]

rev limiter is 8500rpm lol





ya i search it up, the closest dealership is in port moody.


will find a time to test out their new car


V6 and 2.0T should be intersting to drive
Really? Im not sure dude. I own a 07 Si, and she revs to 8200rpm's before bouncing off the rev limiter.

[1990TSI]

Oh speedking. Take my car out for a spin one day, you know where to find me ;)

212ft/Lbs at 2700 rpm will make you forget about vtec, even in a RWD pig.

[mr_piggy]

Civic hands down! Amazing ride experience! Its literally like driving a toned down yet more practical version of the S2000.

[speedking]

Really? Im not sure dude. I own a 07 Si, and she revs to 8200rpm's before bouncing off the rev limiter.


both of you are right!!! 8200rpm redline 8500 rev limiter. redline and cut off are different.

[1990TSI]

Its literally like driving a toned down yet more practical version of the S2000.

wat?

[speedking]

Oh speedking. Take my car out for a spin one day, you know where to find me ;)

212ft/Lbs at 2700k rpm will make you forget about vtec, even in a RWD pig.

thanks for the offer man but i'm not the kind of guy who's easy to get(lol) although i'd like to see what my car can do against your genesis (is it fast?)
what's the redline on your car? why did you go from nissan gt-s or gtr? to genesis 2.0t? how many car did you test drive before you bought the genesis? i just thought after you sold your nissan gt-s or gtr?, you are going to get 350z or subaru wrx sti or atleast the v6 version of the genesis.

[1990TSI]

I sold the Skyline GTS-T and put a spare GTS-T motor + 5 speed swap into my S13 coupe. I sold that for the winter and rocked a 97 sidekick until sping when I bought this car. had no plans, just saw the super bowl ads and knew I needed to have one, so I got the first in BC. It was an impulse buy really.

speed wise the GTS-T was similar, but the genesis has waay better handling, plus it's a '10 not a '91. as for the wrx, that was stu, he had the red GTR and bought an 02 wrx when he sold it. still quicker than the genesis, but he has some stuff done and mines stock.

We should have a good race nigh though, I know you have work done, but it would be nic to see how i compare to your KA

[ToyotaPowah]

both of you are right!!! 8200rpm redline 8500 rev limiter. redline and cut off are different.

Redline is 8000, fuel cut is roughly 8200.

[speedking]

Redline is 8000, fuel cut is roughly 8200.


now i'm confused. which one has the higher redline 05-06 types or the 07 si? i know the 05-06 types redline start at 8100rpm rev limit at 8400rpm

[TripleXXX]

test drove the genesis, what a piece of crap. CIVIC ALL THE WAY

[speedking]

I sold the Skyline GTS-T and put a spare GTS-T motor + 5 speed swap into my S13 coupe. I sold that for the winter and rocked a 97 sidekick until sping when I bought this car. had no plans, just saw the super bowl ads and knew I needed to have one, so I got the first in BC. It was an impulse buy really.

speed wise the GTS-T was similar, but the genesis has waay better handling, plus it's a '10 not a '91. as for the wrx, that was stu, he had the red GTR and bought an 02 wrx when he sold it. still quicker than the genesis, but he has some stuff done and mines stock.

We should have a good race nigh though, I know you have work done, but it would be nic to see how i compare to your KA

i'd like to see you run the cobalt ss supercharged the one in the kaltire and andrew's car tian's bf. i should call them out, i'm always free after work and ready to run anytime as long as not raining.

[TripleXXX]

wat?

you got that right, you bought a piece of crap car, unreliable and resale value sucks. You should've gotten a GTI instead, dumbass.

[1990TSI]

i'd like to see you run the cobalt ss supercharged the one in the kaltire and andrew's car tian's bf. i should call them out, i'm always free after work and ready to run anytime as long as not raining.

Red SS I'm curious about too, but no idea on who owns it.
I know andrews car won't cut it though, not worth the gas on that car.

[speedking]

Red SS I'm curious about too, but no idea on who owns it.
I know andrews car won't cut it though, not worth the gas on that car.

i know the guy, i hangout with him once in the grizz. he's a nice guy and always want's to go for a run if someone call him out. andrew's car is too loud last time i saw it, i wounder if he change his exhaust since then.

[CRS]

test drove the genesis, what a piece of crap. CIVIC ALL THE WAY

you got that right, you bought a piece of crap car, unreliable and resale value sucks. You should've gotten a GTI instead, dumbass.

Brilliant insight there, retard.

Hey guys, guess what?!

I test drove the civic SI, what a piece of crap. GENESIS ALL THE WAY.

Oh, and yeah, I won't give ANY reasons to why the civic SI sucked, but holy fuck did it ever suck! Such a piece of crap, in fact, I think I may have pooed it out. So unreliable and resale value sucks even though the stats for it hasn't even come out yet.

GENESIS ALL THE WAY!!!

[1990TSI]

you got that right, you bought a piece of crap car, unreliable and resale value sucks. You should've gotten a GTI instead, dumbass.

Lol. no one wants a GTI. if electrial issues were worth their weight in gold everyone would have them.

If you wanted a clever comeback, you'd have found a RWD car in my class to compare it to. unfortunatly for you, This happens to be the only RWD car around in it's price range. (here's where you try to argue how awesome FWD is)

reasale? reliability? LOL! the car has been out for 7 months!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA You can't even guess at the reliability of these cars for at leats half a year, and resale? the only used ones now are going for over sticker price.

If you're gonna hate on the underdog, try to find some better reasoning lol.

also, whatever you drive, has aids. TAKE THAT !!!!!11!!!!111 HAHAHAHA

[TripleXXX]

Brilliant insight there, retard.

Hey guys, guess what?!

I test drove the civic SI, what a piece of crap. GENESIS ALL THE WAY.

Oh, and yeah, I won't give ANY reasons to why the civic SI sucked, but holy fuck did it ever suck! Such a piece of crap, in fact, I think I may have pooed it out. So unreliable and resale value sucks even though the stats for it hasn't even come out yet.

GENESIS ALL THE WAY!!!

GTI > GENESIS

[TripleXXX]

Lol. no one wants a GTI. if electrial issues were worth their weight in gold everyone would have them.

If you wanted a clever comeback, you'd have found a RWD car in my class to compare it to. unfortunatly for you, This happens to be the only RWD car around in it's price range. (here's where you try to argue how awesome FWD is)

reasale? reliability? LOL! the car has been out for 7 months!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA You can't even guess at the reliability of these cars for at leats half a year, and resale? the only used ones now are going for over sticker price.

If you're gonna hate on the underdog, try to find some better reasoning lol.

also, whatever you drive, has aids. TAKE THAT !!!!!11!!!!111 HAHAHAHA

wow thats alot of writing queer! I don't drive any of your car you mention on this thread:P Cause I have a better and faster car than you! You don't know much little white boy, go back inside your car and cry. :haha:

[ToyotaPowah]

now i'm confused. which one has the higher redline 05-06 types or the 07 si? i know the 05-06 types redline start at 8100rpm rev limit at 8400rpm

Well, if what you say about the 05-06 type S is true, then the type S has the higher redline/fuel cut. Although, my Si revs higher :D

[speedking]

Well, if what you say about the 05-06 type S is true, then the type S has the higher redline/fuel cut. Although, my Si revs higher :D

if your si is higher rev then i'm guessing your ecu isn't stock anymore?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Really? Im not sure dude. I own a 07 Si, and she revs to 8200rpm's before bouncing off the rev limiter.
thought Si redline is 7900rpm, rev limiter i dont know


Civic hands down! Amazing ride experience! Its literally like driving a toned down yet more practical version of the S2000.
:rolleyes: ummm i dont know about that dude
now i'm confused. which one has the higher redline 05-06 types or the 07 si? i know the 05-06 types redline start at 8100rpm rev limit at 8400rpm
type S i believe
test drove the genesis, what a piece of crap. CIVIC ALL THE WAY
wait till i test drive it
Well, if what you say about the 05-06 type S is true, then the type S has the higher redline/fuel cut. Although, my Si revs higher :D


im doing kpro next

[distanc3]

From a performance perspective, the genesis coupe is better.

If you get the Si, LS600h owners will spank you and then RS will criticize you.

go here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/got-spanked-ls600hl-t588124.html

BUT "its an SI!":haha:

[ToyotaPowah]

if your si is higher rev then i'm guessing your ecu isn't stock anymore?

Yep, Cobb AP. I've got it tuned for VTEC engagement at 4500 and fuel cut at 8500 right now. No point in going much higher than that without some engine work.

I still haven't test driven a Genesis coupe yet, but I really want to. The only thing that puts me off from them is the weight. The Genesis should've been a couple hundred pounds lighter, then it would be a wicked car rather than just a good car :D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

true that, the weight is definitely too heavy for wat it is, sort of like the R35

[!Yaminashi]

Wait, whats wrong with a GTI?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

dunno, guess GTi gets no love as well now

[k20a]

now i'm confused. which one has the higher redline 05-06 types or the 07 si? i know the 05-06 types redline start at 8100rpm rev limit at 8400rpm

They don't even have the same motor. Some 03's can rev to 8600rpm, due to the special valve springs some of them had.

[Death2Theft]

Buy a civic put on a mod, enjoy the theft.

[speedking]

They don't even have the same motor. Some 03's can rev to 8600rpm, due to the special valve springs some of them had.

i've never mention they are the same.02-04 types k20a2 redline start 7900rpm with 8200rpm cut off, 05-06types redline start 8100rpm with 8400rpm cut off, 07 si redline start 8000rpm with 8300rpm cut off.

[Chairman Kaga]

it's liek vancouvercivics.com all up in here

[Meowjin]

What's with the influx of giant group of anti-Korean, poor grammar retards on this site?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

it's liek vancouvercivics.com all up in here

:haha::haha::haha::haha: good old VCC

but hey mustang's forum aint much better either

[TripleXXX]

wait till i test drive it


Cool, I hope you crash! :haha:


I'm kidding! I'm pretty sure you going to love your Si.

[TripleXXX]

my vote goes to civic si

reason:
k-series are great engine (very reliable)
lots of aftermarket parts support
fun to drive (8000rpm red line)

Amen

[ChinesePetro]

with just an 100bucks cheap lil manual boost controller, even the lowest trim 2.0T genesis will kill any SI easy

cost break down

SI:
flashpro + CAI + E + H = still slow -- $2000-3000?

Genesis:
MBC -- $100

[ChinesePetro]

RWD > FWD
regardless how good a FWD handles, it will never be made comparable to a RWD

especially when the rwd is cheaper than the FWD si

[spoon.ek9]

all of a sudden you're an expert. why did you even bother making this thread?

i'd love to see you only add a boost controller and nothing else performance wise.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lolll who the fuck is this noob


:haha:

[Toeknee]

/thread

/thread bitches

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:confused:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

somebody get this noob out of here

[1990TSI]

all of a sudden you're an expert. why did you even bother making this thread?

i'd love to see you only add a boost controller and nothing else performance wise.


well we run 15psi stock and you can safely run 18psi without changing anything. boost controller fixes that.

although the $100 is wrong.....we have a built in stock boost controller, so we can run 18psi safely for free, on any octane and still run pig rich.

For $650 there's a tune available that bumps you up to 194whp and 250wtq while maintaining an 11.8afr at 20PSI

[TripleXXX]

well we run 15psi stock and you can safely run 18psi without changing anything. boost controller fixes that.

although the $100 is wrong.....we have a built in stock boost controller, so we can run 18psi safely for free, on any octane and still run pig rich.

For $650 there's a tune available that bumps you up to 194whp and 250wtq while maintaining an 11.8afr at 20PSI

why you took off pictures of your car in your album? just because i made a bad comment about you don't have to take it off. :haha:

btw your car will explode having 20psi on your hyndai pony. :eek:

[TripleXXX]

with just an 100bucks cheap lil manual boost controller, even the lowest trim 2.0T genesis will kill any SI easy

cost break down

SI:
flashpro + CAI + E + H = still slow -- $2000-3000?

Genesis:
MBC -- $100

GTFO! Stop selling your homemade box from the Source.

[ilvtofu]

why you took off pictures of your car in your album? just because i made a bad comment about you don't have to take it off. :haha:

btw your car will explode having 20psi on your hyndai pony. :eek:

:2finger:

[speedking]

well we run 15psi stock and you can safely run 18psi without changing anything. boost controller fixes that.

although the $100 is wrong.....we have a built in stock boost controller, so we can run 18psi safely for free, on any octane and still run pig rich.

For $650 there's a tune available that bumps you up to 194whp and 250wtq while maintaining an 11.8afr at 20PSI


any mod coming soon? by the way, i talked to one of my friend today about setting you up a nice run with the cobalt ss supercharged.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

why you took off pictures of your car in your album? just because i made a bad comment about you don't have to take it off. :haha:

btw your car will explode having 20psi on your hyndai pony. :eek:

any mod coming soon? by the way, i talked to one of my friend today about setting you up a nice run with the cobalt ss supercharged.

:eek:


did the two of u smoked the wrong crack this morning?

[CorneringArtist]

Why do I get the feeling this shit is going to FC soon?

[speedking]

:eek:


did the two of u smoked the wrong crack this morning?

what's your point?

[silk]

still waiting on mugen's review of genesis.......


waiting ...........waiting ......................and waiting

[ilvtofu]

still waiting on mugen's review of genesis.......


waiting ...........waiting ......................and waiting

Guy's probably speechless

[1990TSI]

why you took off pictures of your car in your album? just because i made a bad comment about you don't have to take it off. :haha:

btw your car will explode having 20psi on your hyndai pony. :eek:

I never had pics of my car in the album, just the funny ones you see there now.

[hk20000]

20psi making only 194WHP is rather weaksauce actually.

My Mitsu 2.0T can do 202AWHP at like....16psi running mostly factory hardware.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

still waiting on mugen's review of genesis.......


waiting ...........waiting ......................and waiting

lol doesnt seem like i got time this weekend


the closest one is poco

[CRS]

lol doesnt seem like i got time this weekend


the closest one is poco

Where do you live?

855 Automall Drive, North Vancouver
15389 Guildford Drive, Surrey
5571 Parkwood Way, Richmond

Go pick one. Closest one is in poco? Really?

[TripleXXX]

I never had pics of my car in the album, just the funny ones you see there now.

don't be ashamed, your car is not fast at all :/ :haha:

[TripleXXX]

20psi making only 194WHP is rather weaksauce actually.

My Mitsu 2.0T can do 202AWHP at like....16psi running mostly factory hardware.

:haha: Genesis = weaksauce :haha:

[TOS'd]

IBfc.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Where do you live?

855 Automall Drive, North Vancouver
15389 Guildford Drive, Surrey
5571 Parkwood Way, Richmond
coquitlam
near lougheed mall
Go pick one. Closest one is in poco? Really?
coquitlam
near lougheed mall
don't be ashamed, your car is not fast at all :/ :haha:

wow u are a bigger ass than im

:eek:

[CRS]

coquitlam
near lougheed mall


wow u are a bigger ass than im

:eek:


Jim Pattison Toyota Surrey‎ - more info »
15389 Guildford Drive, Surrey, BC V3R 0H9
9.3 km

Jim Pattison Hyundai Coquitlam‎ - more info »
2385 Ottawa St, Port Coquitlam, BC
10.9 km

From lougheed mall, Surrey is closer and is a 14 min drive away. Get off your ass and get into the genesis.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

yes sir


wait a minute, jim patterson toyota surrey?


i thought im looking for hyundai dealership

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Guy's probably speechless

:Orly::Orly::rolleyes:

[CRS]

yes sir


wait a minute, jim patterson toyota surrey?


i thought im looking for hyundai dealership

:lol

Just give them a call and see if you do. When you search google, it is listed under hyundai.

http://www.jphyundaisurrey.com/

Jim Pattison Hyundai - Surrey
North Surrey Auto Mall
15365 Guildford Dr.
Surrey, BC
V3R OH9

Phone 604-582-8118

[hk20000]

:haha: Genesis = weaksauce :haha:
No I don't mean it that way I mean it's odd that 2.0L + 20psi with no matter how small of a turbo have trouble breaking 200RWHP (that's around 260HP at crank for RWD?)

Suddenly you think maybe something isn't that efficient in the path of the flow, be it intake or exhaust end of it.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

indeed it is pretty weird


20psi and barely breaks 200whp

edit

intake or exhaust, it still wont see 300whp even if it flows well. So i dont really think its that problem

[godwin]

Current Chrysler, Mitsu and Hyundais' I4 engines are all products of GEMA. Actually Hyundai did the initial designs.

It is likely that Hyundai's engines are more conservatively rated than the Mitsu.. since Lancer has a name to upkeep.

It can also mean that Mitsu just have better bolt ons than the Hyundai engines (from the factory).. which can be remedied quickly by after market people.

Basically Hyundai's Theta engine = Siemens VDO help on ECU coding, BW on variable timing mechanism; Mitsu = Mitsu in house. Unless Mitsu does extra things like micro polishing the parts before assembly, I can't see Hyundai's enghine can't do anything that Mitsu can.

Some people would ask why the collaborate.. the simple thing is Mitsu was broke, it is $$ and survival. Context is very important.

Comparing Civic SI and the Hyundai, one is the high strung, top of the range of its model range; the other is the starter of its model.. in the end it comes down to personal preference.You like all revs and drives in flat places like Richmond, pick the civic; You want initial torque and more rounded performance go for the Hyundai.

No I don't mean it that way I mean it's odd that 2.0L + 20psi with no matter how small of a turbo have trouble breaking 200RWHP (that's around 260HP at crank for RWD?)

Suddenly you think maybe something isn't that efficient in the path of the flow, be it intake or exhaust end of it.

[ilvtofu]

This is Edmund's dyno test
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/inside-line-dyno-test-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-20t.html

Shows 200whp which means factory numbers were pretty conservative at 210hp

[Toeknee]

^ /facepalm @ the exhaust pipe

[k20a]

Wth is /facepalm @ exhaust?

[Toeknee]

http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/assets/images/genesis-20t-dyno2_arrow-thumb-555x370.jpg

Wth is /facepalm @ exhaust?
http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol tats one hell of a dent

[d1]

^ /facepalm @ the exhaust pipe

And yet it still dynos nearly 200 whp :thumbsup:

[!Tigger]

only reason why its dented is so it can have some extra under brace tie...

[Toeknee]

The engineers could've had a billion other alternatives to make both the brace and pipe fit without denting the pipe... Maybe they're just purposely leaving places for enthuiasts to upgrade (so people are happy when they feel the gains)

[Jackygor]

The engineers could've had a billion other alternatives to make both the brace and pipe fit without denting the pipe... Maybe they're just purposely leaving places for enthuiasts to upgrade (so people are happy when they feel the gains)

cause its cheap

[1990TSI]

Catback doesn't make any power on this car, shops have already removed that kink and found no gain, until a bigger turbo is installed and real power starts to be made.

[ChinesePetro]

pretty sure Hyundai's engineers made that kink for a good all-rounded purpose

btw which forum for genesis coupe?

[!Yaminashi]

Catback doesn't make any power on this car, shops have already removed that kink and found no gain, until a bigger turbo is installed and real power starts to be made.

So if you were to buy a catback you'd really only be paying for the sound and the look..

[1990TSI]

So if you were to buy a catback you'd really only be paying for the sound and the look..

If that's all you were changing, yes. if you did a 3" turbo back with an intake and did the free wastegate mod, you'd see a gain comapred to the stock cat back.

but cat back alone, no gains, where most cars do gain something. a few companys have claimed gains, but other companys have run open DP and found no power in stock form, same with removing the stock air filter, alone that gains nothing.




Pedro, the main site is www.gencoupe.com

There are others, but this seems to be the biggest and best.