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fellow listmember sent me this:


http://www.worldcarfans.com/109091421719/vw-golf-r-uncovered-ahead-of-frankfurt-debut

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/9/medium/5132400.jpg


Volkswagen is unveiling the second new R model in its current lineup at the Frankfurt Motor Show. The Golf R shares its basic underpinnings with the recently-unveiled Scirocco R. It also adds VW's 4Motion AWD to its architecture.
Replacing the heavy naturally aspirated 3.2-litre V6 found in the Golf V R32 is a 2.0-litre petrol turbo engine. Power is 195kW (265hp) and torque is around the 350Nm mark. The 0 - 100km/h time should be covered in about 6.5 seconds for the 6-speed manual and 6.4 seconds for the DSG model. These figures compare very well with the Audi S3 and the TT S with which the Golf R shares its engine.

If you thought it would be a basic upgrade on the GTI you'd be wrong. The car features a host of changes including new front grille with LED daytime running lights, a different set of wheels, R side sills, R badging at the rear and those twin tailpipes almost come together in the middle. The interior is much sportier as well with two-tone sports seats, aluminum pedals and R badging in places like the flat-bottomed steering wheel.

The good news for US fans is that the Golf R is headed for North America according to reports, although nothing has been confirmed for its 3-door Scirocco relative.

... and of course, NOT AVAILABLE IN CANADA :flamemad:

[Rikaro]

this looks better
http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Scirocco%20-%20Corrado/New%20Scirocco/Scirocco%20R/2009-Volkswagen-Scirocco-R-006.jpg

[shenmecar]

^

Wider stance does look a lot nicer.

But we aint getting either of them here in Canada. ='(

[jerjer]

V6 > 2.0T

[thumper]

V6 > 2.0T

not really.... i tried the 3.2 in an audi and it made the car feel so nose-heavy. i'm still happy with my 2.0T :thumbsup:

[!Aznboi128]

Canada never gets any nice Vdubs....

I want a vw touareg, witha v10 tdi and pneumatic suspension

[yvrnycracer]

Canada never gets any nice Vdubs....

I want a vw touareg, witha v10 tdi and pneumatic suspension

v10 TDI no longer exists for north america...

This car would be insane with a stage 3 setup... stock it basically replicates the Audi S3...

Hopefully the GoC won't ban this from being imported from the US... Given VWoC track record... they won't bring this to Canada... :confused: (but the farenheit GTI was a good idea... :rolleyes:

[JSALES]

that looks pretty sexy, why can't canada get this car?

[ilvtofu]

:( scirocco is such a sexy car...

[Ichi]

Is it confirm that the R20 will not be available in Canada?
I was dreaming the other day when my lease on my GTI was up I would get the R20!

[skyxx]

^ No...

[danizer]

this looks photoshopped LOL

kinda cool...still...the point of a golf is that it is unique...yet volkswagen makes the mistake of copying the scirocco...sigh

[thumper]

Is it confirm that the R20 will not be available in Canada?
I was dreaming the other day when my lease on my GTI was up I would get the R20!

i asked 2 different vw salespeople at different locations/provinces and both said no to either a golf-R or a scirocco. canada amounts to a very tiny portion of vw's global sales, so they basically consider us small fish :cry:

[L-Dawg]

loks like the scorrco

[!SG]

import one from the states.

Canada never gets any nice Vdubs....

I want a vw touareg, witha v10 tdi and pneumatic suspension

[danizer]

i asked 2 different vw salespeople at different locations/provinces and both said no to either a golf-R or a scirocco. canada amounts to a very tiny portion of vw's global sales, so they basically consider us small fish :cry:

vw said that they are afraid the scirocco would impede with the sales of the Rabbit and GTI :(...damn you market...i dont understand why anyone would buy an R though...apart fromt he fact it has 4-motion, chip a normal GTI for $800 and it goes faster than an R ^^

[smk]

can we buy this brand new and import it right away?

[danizer]

can we buy this brand new and import it right away?

ya some people bought one from seattle dealership and imported it via fright...but remember this (correct me if im wrong guys im just echoing words from www.golfmkv.com)

1. the pricing in states is different, after exchange rates you may find yourself spending alot
2. you will have to pay the local tax...so in seattle it would be like 9% i think
3. you will have to pay GST and PST on the car when you import it...so thats another 12%
4. if you choose not to drive it back up here, you'll needa hire a freight to ship the car up here...no idea how much that would cost :)
5. you will have to live with a MPH speedo and good luck selling the car (well i guess not cuz R32 is unique someone would probs buy it)
6 (and probably most important). i dont think the warranty with VW will travel with the car, so if your car needs to be services, you will probs have to pay for it :P

[kumbo1]

R32 over this...

[thumper]

5. you will have to live with a MPH speedo and good luck selling the car (well i guess not cuz R32 is unique someone would probs buy it)

shouldn't be an issue because this time it's a 4cyl, so you can just swap gauge faces from a cdn mk6 gti with a km/h clock.

6 (and probably most important). i dont think the warranty with VW will travel with the car, so if your car needs to be services, you will probs have to pay for it :P

true. US warranty is non-transferrable. why i don't know. worst case scenario is that you drive across the border to WA and find a VW dealership there to handle warranty claims. cdn dealerships should be able to handle regular service though.

[thumper]

vw said that they are afraid the scirocco would impede with the sales of the Rabbit and GTI :(...damn you market...i dont understand why anyone would buy an R though...apart fromt he fact it has 4-motion, chip a normal GTI for $800 and it goes faster than an R ^^

it's all about the 4motion for me. i'm chipped up the wazoo right now and i'm having traction issues in the dry and the ESP is going bezerk all the time... i'm not looking forward to wet fall weather right now, let alone winter/spring :o

[Lude S]

ya some people bought one from seattle dealership and imported it via fright...but remember this (correct me if im wrong guys im just echoing words from www.golfmkv.com)

1. the pricing in states is different, after exchange rates you may find yourself spending alot
2. you will have to pay the local tax...so in seattle it would be like 9% i think
3. you will have to pay GST and PST on the car when you import it...so thats another 12%
4. if you choose not to drive it back up here, you'll needa hire a freight to ship the car up here...no idea how much that would cost :)
5. you will have to live with a MPH speedo and good luck selling the car (well i guess not cuz R32 is unique someone would probs buy it)
6 (and probably most important). i dont think the warranty with VW will travel with the car, so if your car needs to be services, you will probs have to pay for it :P

wow, u sure know nothing about buying a car in the US and giving out false information.....:rolleyes: your dad must own a car dealership on kingsway, and this whole importing thing must be putting him out of business.

1. the pricing in states is different, after exchange rates you may find yourself spending alot most of the time the pricing is cheaper in the US and if u are looking for a car not available in Canada, u expect to pay more
2. you will have to pay the local tax...so in seattle it would be like 9% i think non resident in washington or no resident in the state u are buying a car from does not require u to pay their sales tax, u must provide a valid id to prove that.
3. you will have to pay GST and PST on the car when you import it...so thats another 12% in the case of this vw, its will most likely be made in Germany and u will need to pay duty also
4. if you choose not to drive it back up here, you'll needa hire a freight to ship the car up here...no idea how much that would cost :) all american transport cost $1000 from Virginia to Seattle (just an expample and thats like 2500miles away)
5. you will have to live with a MPH speedo and good luck selling the car (well i guess not cuz R32 is unique someone would probs buy it) there are a lot of us import these days and ppl are willing to buy them used for a better price
6 (and probably most important). i dont think the warranty with VW will travel with the car, so if your car needs to be services, you will probs have to pay for it the money most ppl save getting a car in the US, they dont give a shit about that

[Lude S]

vw said that they are afraid the scirocco would impede with the sales of the Rabbit and GTI :(...damn you market...i dont understand why anyone would buy an R though...apart fromt he fact it has 4-motion, chip a normal GTI for $800 and it goes faster than an R ^^

different ppl have different needs. If they want 4 motion, they want it....

even after chipping a gti......its still a fwd:haha:

[danizer]

wow, u sure know nothing about buying a car in the US and giving out false information.....:rolleyes: your dad must own a car dealership on kingsway, and this whole importing thing must be putting him out of business.

1. the pricing in states is different, after exchange rates you may find yourself spending alot most of the time the pricing is cheaper in the US and if u are looking for a car not available in Canada, u expect to pay more
2. you will have to pay the local tax...so in seattle it would be like 9% i think non resident in washington or no resident in the state u are buying a car from does not require u to pay their sales tax, u must provide a valid id to prove that.
3. you will have to pay GST and PST on the car when you import it...so thats another 12% in the case of this vw, its will most likely be made in Germany and u will need to pay duty also
4. if you choose not to drive it back up here, you'll needa hire a freight to ship the car up here...no idea how much that would cost :) all american transport cost $1000 from Virginia to Seattle (just an expample and thats like 2500miles away)
5. you will have to live with a MPH speedo and good luck selling the car (well i guess not cuz R32 is unique someone would probs buy it) there are a lot of us import these days and ppl are willing to buy them used for a better price
6 (and probably most important). i dont think the warranty with VW will travel with the car, so if your car needs to be services, you will probs have to pay for it the money most ppl save getting a car in the US, they dont give a shit about that

thats why i said im not sure about this im just repeating what i heard from golfmkv :(

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

sort of like the current gen better

[Lude S]

thats why i said im not sure about this im just repeating what i heard from golfmkv :(

right, why would there be info like that on a us based forum......lol

a lot of info is wrong on forums...:D

[danizer]

right, why would there be info like that on a us based forum......lol

a lot of info is wrong on forums...:D

i troll around the lower mainland section. someone found a us spec r32 at a honda dealership and buying from us was questioned by one of the local guys :mad:

[skyxx]

Other photos at the Frankfurt show.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/15/frankfurt-2009-volkswagen-golf-r20-is-our-kind-of-bolt-of-blue/

[wahyinghung]

Nice I actually like the style of Golf R over the new Scirocco

[ilvtofu]

pics of the rear?
vw seems to have a trend of disappointing design in the rear in recent years

[68style]

^
The autoblog post has lots of pictures of the rear... looks nice!

I love the seats!

[thumper]

the tailights have an R8-led look to them.... i likey? :thumbsup:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/09/06-vw-golf-r20-live.jpg

[impactX]

Smart of them, at least they didn't name this the R20T; but I like the MKV a lot more.

[hotong]

wow that looks pretty nice.

[death_blossom]

not really.... i tried the 3.2 in an audi and it made the car feel so nose-heavy. i'm still happy with my 2.0T :thumbsup:have you tried one of the MK4 or MK5 R32? I think that'd be a more accurate comparison. Audis as a whole are known to be front heavy. I would think the old R32 GTIs have the suspension/balance dialed in better.
2. you will have to pay the local tax...so in seattle it would be like 9% i think
like danizer said, you don't have to pay the state tax if you're from Canada. I have a friend who bought a brand new Toyota from Washington and he didn't have to pay Washington state tax.

[thumper]

have you tried one of the MK4 or MK5 R32? I think that'd be a more accurate comparison. Audis as a whole are known to be front heavy. I would think the old R32 GTIs have the suspension/balance dialed in better.

no i haven't... i don't know anyone with an mk4, and mk5's are even more rare... anyone out there with an r32 willing to give me seat time?!? :cry:

[asahai69]

Canada never gets any nice Vdubs....

I want a vw touareg, witha v10 tdi and pneumatic suspension

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/ctd/1369326125.html

[rhyno]

aznboi128, I have a VW Toureg V10 with air suspension and it has full warranty!

This is a US car that has been imported into Canada.

[you!]

not bad except for the dual exhaust

[bob_chan]

WTFFFFF GAYSAUCE. I was waiting for this to come out and now there's no Canada availaiblity?!

damnit

I need those tails if I ever get the MkVI GTI

[thumper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChxdhw9Bxc&feature=player_embedded

[yvrnycracer]

it's all about the 4motion for me. i'm chipped up the wazoo right now and i'm having traction issues in the dry and the ESP is going bezerk all the time... i'm not looking forward to wet fall weather right now, let alone winter/spring :o

I don't get the problems with traction... its all about throttle control... just don't mash the pedal... I have more power than the average 2.0t owner and I have no issues... :thumbsup:

Also better tires could help too... when i had CH's wrapped in KDW's I had no issues... LSD helps a bit motor mounts help a bit... but in the end just control your foot especially if you drive a DSG...

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And from what I hear from solid sources... Golf R is coming to Canada... :D And the other rumor is that Scirocco will make an appearance as well... :eek:

[thumper]

I don't get the problems with traction... its all about throttle control... just don't mash the pedal... I have more power than the average 2.0t owner and I have no issues... :thumbsup:

but you have a quaife do u not?

i'm not looking forward to snow tires this winter :(

[yvrnycracer]

but you have a quaife do u not?

i'm not looking forward to snow tires this winter :(

yes I have an LSD...

But that only makes so much difference in slippery conditions... throttle control is the clear winner...

And snow driving is FUN... I loved bombing through the snow last year!

Too bad I won't be experiencing it in my beast this year... :(

[thumper]

i don't have the engine mounts either... i know they really cut down on the wheel hop, but i don't think i can stand all the vibrations.

have you taken your GLI to the track yet? any dyno numbers?

[thumper]

And from what I hear from solid sources... Golf R is coming to Canada... :D And the other rumor is that Scirocco will make an appearance as well... :eek:

someone on golfmkv.com posted this:

http://www.wheels.ca/newsFeatures/article/781988

Unfortunately, Volkswagen Canada could only confirm what would not be coming to Canada: the new all-wheel-drive 270 hp Golf R hot hatch and 3.3 L/100 km (85 m.p.g.) subcompact Polo BlueMotion three-door that debuted here.

:cry:

[68style]

^
It's not really a big deal you know, if you really want it just go to the US and buy one and import it... it's soooooo simple and it wouldn't cost any more than buying one here (maybe even cheaper!) especially now with the awesome exchange rate

As for mph guages... big deal, I've been driving US imported cars for 6 years and before that my 68 Mustang never even had km/h on it, you either learn to look at the smaller numbers or you remember what speeds are in MPH... 40=60, 50=80, 60=100. So simple!

The only argument for/against is whether VW honours their warranties and that I am not sure of but I've never been one to care about warranties, any car I ever owned was out of warranty or never needed work... then again this is a VW so...........