[twitchyzero]

This is news to me
Poor students get fucked over.

Hundreds of post-secondary students looking for financial help this fall have been turned away by the province following a $16-million cut to the student-aid budget, The Vancouver Sun has learned.

Nursing, health care and home-support-worker programs are among those affected by the cuts, which were approved in June.


The Premier's Excellence Award, which distributes $15,000 scholarships to top high school students, was eliminated.

Students who can't afford to repay their student debt, or who are disabled and can't work, will no longer be eligible to have their loans forgiven.

It's all part of the government's bid to reduce costs by at least $1.9 billion over three years, $589 million of it this fiscal year.

The $116-million student aid budget was cut to $100 million.

At the same time, the government expects the number of students receiving aid to rise from 53,000 in 2008 to 75,000 this year.

Margaret Dhillon of the BC Nurses Union called funding cuts to the Nurses Education Bursary "shortsighted and "counter-intuitive."

"I don't know why they would even consider cutting that in a profession that is in such an acute shortage," Dhillon said.

Last year, the $2.66-million bursary program aided 630 nursing students. This year, only $1 million is available.

Dhillon worried the cuts may keep some students from going back to school. She said some students were likely counting on the money, and "this will now interrupt or end their education dreams or goals."

The provincial Health Care Bursary and the Premier's Excellence Award program -- worth about $1.4 million and $240,000, respectively -- are no longer available.

The government aims to save a further $1.4 million by abolishing the debt forgiveness program for 400 students who can't make monthly payments.

As well, the province will end a pilot program, worth $4.7 million, for loan-reduction assistance to students filling high-demand occupations, including residential care aides and home support workers.

Disabled students were also hit. Those who were eligible for loan forgiveness will now be required to apply for extended interest relief on their debt. The disabled benefits program, which aided about 350 students per year, was to end July 31, and will not be renewed.

"To be cutting student aid when students need to be paying for ever-increasing tuition fees, and when workers need retraining to get back to the workforce, is just really bad timing."

Reid also questioned the government's communication strategy for the cuts.

"It sound like it's been pretty secretive so far," he said.




I'm now officially anti-Liberal.
Why the fuck would they do this when tuition has increased over 250% in the past five years and still going up?? Why would they cut bursaries that support health care students when there's still a huge shortage. The health car bursary that supports a substantial amount of my tuition didn't just get cut, it was discontinued.
WHYY hit the students out of everyone...especially the disabled ones.

I know $16mill is not much in the grand schemes of things but it really messes up a lot of students when they decide to cut it so abruptly.

I'm even more pissed that they didn't make an announcement about it. I had to find out when the bursary links were no longer working.

rant!

[91LS-VTak]

as for the price of school going up so dramatically, blame the stupid NDP for putting a freeze on tuition increases for pretty much their entire term in office. This left tuitions way out of wack of where they should have been. Once the freeze was lifted costs rose quickly to make up for those many years of fixed costs.

And why the fuck would they forgive student loans? Good for them for getting rid of that program. Can't afford to pay it back? Shouldn't have borrowed it in the first place.

[liu13]

post secondary education is pretty damn cheap for university students i find

BC Liberals are ass clowns but we're dumb enough to re elect time after time

[impactX]

Unfortunately, the only people who care are students and parents with children who are going to post-secondary. The working class generally doesn't care.

[m!chael]

Too many students take loans when instead they could have worked the summer and paid their tuition. Anyone who can't find a job and make 6k during their 4 month summer in order to pay for school should not be going to university anyways.

[Gridlock]

Fuck this is annoying.

Seriously...political science in 30 seconds:

Economy goes bad-we strip the shit out of all the social programs to balance the books. So far we have seen healthcare cuts and education. Shocking.

Economy goes good-we pour money into fixing the social programs we gutted, usually after we dump the previous government for making the economy bad whether it was their fault or not.

Ecomomy goes bad-time to strip that program again.

I think from a logical standpoint, it costs more to fix the neglect from years of budget shortfalls.

Why can't we use the surpluses wisely knowing that of course the economy is going to turn at some point.

Why...WHY do we always act like a recession is a surprise?

Oh, and it gets worse at the end of this liberal term. They know they won't get elected again and are acting as though they won't. That means even Carole James stands a chance of getting elected.

[03aspec]

Too many students take loans when instead they could have worked the summer and paid their tuition. Anyone who can't find a job and make 6k during their 4 month summer in order to pay for school should not be going to university anyways.

exactly, if in one year, i can afford to pay off a $14,000 car loan and pay $4,000 for a course i did at bcit, why the fuck cant others?

also, if NDP is in government with carol james, i will leave this province for as long as that dumb cunt is premier.

[CorneringArtist]

Maybe because people who can pay for university though summer jobs had the connections to do so.

Now I'm fucked if I want to go to BCIT next year, there's very little in terms of scholarships after this bullshit.

[91LS-VTak]

even if you can't pay the cost of ur tuition with a summer job, you can take out a student loan. Then after you're finished school you get a j-o-b and pay back the loan!

[rslater]

This is news to me
Poor students get fucked over.




How are you a poor student? Tuition for 10 full time classes a year is $5000. Lets add $800 to books, and $200 for fees and a u-pass. So you need $6 grand for school. During the 8 months of school you need to make $187.5 a week to pay for it. Lets say you get a job paying $13 an hour, you need to work 14 hours a week. Thats 3, 4.5 hour shifts.

If you can't manage that, then you won't be able to manage the real world.

Now lets not forget that you have 4 months of summer. You should be able to bank $2000 a month, so thats $8 grand. If you are having troubles saving on these potential parameters, then reevaluate what the fuck your buying, or go to America and enjoy $20,000 + a year.

[pandalove]

Please allow me .....*ahemmm

FUCKING SKYTRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reason : .. budgets cuts to pay for it :)

[oinkoinkpig]

fuck the olympics too while you're at it

[twitchyzero]

Maybe you guys should really do some research before replying.

Forgiveness program isn't one you sign up and your debt magically disappears. For most it means you work for a publically funded entity or as a health care worker serve in the rural areas. They'll only forgive your BC loans which is only around 1/3 of a student's debt max. Now I can see how this is still controversial, but definately suck balls for the disabled grads.

Nursing/Health care bursary. Our province is in dire need of more workers in this field. Many degrees in this field costs a lot more than your general studies undergrad degree. Bursaries ARE critical despite what you may think. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot now? People take out loans because there are some good jobs to be had after grad but there's a hefty investment before you get there. Not everyone goes to spend it on car modding and clubbing or taking useless Japanese courses.

Like I said, too bad Campbell was too pussy shit to announce this to our face. This thread wasn't meant to be pro-NDP either.

and just because some people on RS works full time in the summer and can pay off their entire tuition doesn't mean it applies to everyone. The majority are still attending school in the summer months and can only work so much.

[twitchyzero]

How are you a poor student? Tuition for 10 full time classes a year is $5000. Lets add $800 to books, and $200 for fees and a u-pass. So you need $6 grand for school. During the 8 months of school you need to make $187.5 a week to pay for it. Lets say you get a job paying $13 an hour, you need to work 14 hours a week. Thats 3, 4.5 hour shifts.

If you can't manage that, then you won't be able to manage the real world.

Now lets not forget that you have 4 months of summer. You should be able to bank $2000 a month, so thats $8 grand. If you are having troubles saving on these potential parameters, then reevaluate what the fuck your buying, or go to America and enjoy $20,000 + a year.

$5000? 200 for fees? Yeah...maybe at college level. This was pprobably the rate at university in 2006 and it's gone up a quite bit since then.

Yeah, cause all of my monthly income is going towards school, yep i dont need to pay for food and rent. It's cool I can chew on my textbooks.

oh yeah, good job comparing our system to the US. I wonder how many big annual or entrance scholarships to population ratio they have vs the canadian ones. :eek:

[iEatClams]

And why the fuck would they forgive student loans? Good for them for getting rid of that program. Can't afford to pay it back? Shouldn't have borrowed it in the first place.

Amen.

Some of the people borrow student loans don't even need them. Many are from well off family and only borrow it to buy cars or put away in interest bearing savings accounts.

Why should the working class pay taxes and subsidize for people who take "history" or "asian studies" degrees that don't end up with decent jobs.

For my degree at UBC. I worked 40-50 hours a week from right after finals in April to end of August. I would make like $8K a summer, this helped pay for most of my tuition and expenses so I didn't had to borrow as much from student loans.

[iEatClams]

Maybe you guys should really do some research before replying.

Forgiveness program isn't one you sign up and your debt magically disappears. For most it means you work for a publically funded entity or as a health care worker serve in the rural areas. They'll only forgive your BC loans which is only around 1/3 of a student's debt max. Now I can see how this is still controversial, but definately suck balls for the disabled grads.

Nursing/Health care bursary. Our province is in dire need of more workers in this field. Many degrees in this field costs a lot more than your general studies undergrad degree. Bursaries ARE critical despite what you may think. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot now? People take out loans because there are some good jobs to be had after grad but there's a hefty investment before you get there. Not everyone goes to spend it on car modding and clubbing or taking useless Japanese courses.

Like I said, too bad Campbell was too pussy shit to announce this to our face. This thread wasn't meant to be pro-NDP either.

and just because some people on RS works full time in the summer and can pay off their entire tuition doesn't mean it applies to everyone. The majority are still attending school in the summer months and can only work so much.

very very good points. and I understand not all students can work during the summer months so it all depends on the individual and theres certainly different cases.

But usually in a recession the government has to cut costs. It's still has to operate like a business, when the revenues decrease, they still have loans and debt that they need to honour, and in order for them to do that they need to make lots of cuts.

[misteranswer]

I wonder how many big annual or entrance scholarships to population ratio they have vs the canadian ones. :eek:

If you go to any ivy league school, they don't even give scholarships

[twitchyzero]

^ none of the canadian universities are in the same caliber as ivy league so i'd say it's not the most relevant case in the thread

and the way i see it ivy league school doesnt actually offer that much better of an education, but it's more about the networking and the connections you make..but that's unrelated to the thread.

and i do know ivy leagues that give out large entrance scholarships but are generally insufficient because it's just so much more $$$

[misteranswer]

and i do know ivy leagues that give out large entrance scholarships but are generally insufficient because it's just so much more $$$

Those are more like bursaries, given out based on financial need.

[will068]

I was one of the lucky ones who finished school on time, without debt, and lucky enough to find 4 high paying easy jobs whiel at school (relative to not having education and practical trades skill) to easily pay for my expenses.

However, please think about the some individuals who may not be as lucky:

- single mothers: maybe we can tell to why did they spread their legs open and have a kid with some dude who would leave them while they are not financially prepared to have a family

- individuals with disability: how about to the hard working guy who got in a major accident and is not unable to work because of the physical pain.

- your average student: we can chastise this individual and say that we should tell him/her to study harder and get more scholarships (private or public)

- the parents of the less fortunate students: we can also blame the parents of these students for being irresponsible pieces of crap and not look after their child's education. How the fuck can you not look after you child's education? And please, don't use the excuse that you have to teach them the value of money and how to strive. Individual's should have these attributes at an early age. You should teach your kid's how be responsible adult's when they have their own kid's and not sell them out right after high school. And please, don't tell me you can't afford it now because you've been out of a job for over a year now. You're the fucking breadwinner of the family


Please recognize the sarcasm I placed in all those comments. All of us are not us lucky, nor placed in a situation where we can easily get out of. One of the most important lessons I learned while I traversed through university is understanding the paradigm of other individuals.

[ienhz]

How are you a poor student? Tuition for 10 full time classes a year is $5000.

I'm going to SFU right now and tuition for three 3-credit courses is about $2200. I think it's closer to $7,000-8,000 for a 30 credit year.

[twitchyzero]

^ im currently taking 40 credit..not cause i'm a super geek or anything but it's actually required. most engineering students are taking on this much credits a year as well.

will068 good post

[Meowjin]

i think this thread just proves that revscene is full of ignorant assholes.

[raygunpk]

i think this thread just proves that revscene is full of ignorant assholes.

Or that they all have photographic memory and/or only drink water to survive.

[GLOW]

drinking water and living off of rice

[Orion]

fuck the olympics too while you're at it

If fact, FUCK BC in General... us and our stupid deficit

[hotjoint]

shiet

[falcon]

Maybe because people who can pay for university though summer jobs had the connections to do so.

Now I'm fucked if I want to go to BCIT next year, there's very little in terms of scholarships after this bullshit.

dude.. you know HOW MANY jobs there are out there that pay $16-$20/hr?

It's call labour, construction w/e... we've all done it and after time moved into better things.


Why people expect hand outs from teh government is beyond me... I would rather my tax dollars go into things like transit/tax cuts than making university practially free for people who are too busy going to the beach and hanging out all summer instead of getting a job.

[Meowjin]

dude.. you know HOW MANY jobs there are out there that pay $16-$20/hr?

It's call labour, construction w/e... we've all done it and after time moved into better things.


Why people expect hand outs from teh government is beyond me... I would rather my tax dollars go into things like transit/tax cuts than making university practially free for people who are too busy going to the beach and hanging out all summer instead of getting a job.


What if your female? What job pays 20 an hour?

What if you are in a program that requires a summer workload?

What if you are disabled (there are 4 autistic kids in one of my classes)?

What if you are orphaned (losing parents at a young age like myself kinda suck when you have to raise yourself)?

These "high paying" jobs are not out there as you think.

Oh btw, I'm not poor, and actually have 2 really high paying jobs and actually saved my money. But not everyone out there is as lucky as me.

[RTS]

blah blah blah government please help me (even though I most likely did not vote).

take responsibility for your own life.

[Noir]

blah blah blah government please help me (even though I most likely did not vote).

take responsibility for your own life.

I think there's a difference with understanding benefits and entitlement.

Benefits means that the availability of Student-Aid is dictated by the economical trend and the resources that allow for it. Entitlement just means exactly what the word meant. And as much as I support Student-Aid programs, I support the view that its a benefit rather than an entitlement.

It sucks that times are tough right now. But its tough for everyone so at least the grief is shared. From the lower, non-income students to even the established business owners who are suddenly having to close shop; And believe me, working in Commercial Insurance, I'm seeing the latter quite a lot.

[twitchyzero]

dude.. you know HOW MANY jobs there are out there that pay $16-$20/hr?

It's call labour, construction w/e... we've all done it and after time moved into better things.



yep, cause the labour/construction jobs are totally booming right now!

Cause EVERY student only goes to class 4 hours a day and can work 30 hours each week! Cause tuition is only $4000! I'm assuming you're a past student.Your example no longer apply to current market/students. And way to leave out single parent, the disabled etc

[Great68]

Can't afford to pay it back? Shouldn't have borrowed it in the first place.

People take loans expecting to pay it back. I don't think ANYONE takes a loan thinking "HA HA! I just borrowed this money and I'm never going to pay it back"

SO many people can afford to buy things for straight cash these days :rolleyes:

[ajax]

Who here tried finding work during the summer and failed because no one was hiring? Are you really gonna be able to pay for your school if you work part-time at mcdonalds at $8?

[twitchyzero]

blah blah blah government please help me (even though I most likely did not vote).

take responsibility for your own life.

So if you ever approached a bank for mortgage or loan for a business, does the banker tell you to shove it and take some responsibility?

[Noir]

So if you ever approached a bank for mortgage or loan for a business, does the banker tell you to shove it and take some responsibility?

Hey. Why did you ignore my post? Are you just complaining for the sake of just how much it sucks that $16M is being reprioritized, or do you really think that the government is misappropriating that $16M? I'm trying to steer the discussion to the overall economical impact, and just not the educational impact (Or soon to be lackthereof)

From what I read in the article, it's not exactly like the government is trying to eliminate Student-Aid in its entirety. They're reducing budget from $116M to $100M. That's still a hefty $100 Million for availability right there. Yes the current economical trend has caused the margin of Student-Aid to slim by a fraction, but the people who truly require it most will STILL be able to recieve it.

Kind of like the recent employment crisis. The economy has caused the availability to slim. But what all that means is that the people who will be obtaining and retaining employment are those who are most well qualified for the job.

This current Economical trend impacts us all. Students aren't the only victims so why make it out like so. Shaving $16M out of $116M is hardly a crime at all in the grand scheme of events.

[m4k4v4li]

thats what happens during a recession

better than pumping money that isn't going to stimulate the economy and add to the deficit... which is EXACTLY what the NDP would be doing if given the chance

the 16M cut isnt actually that much if you compare it with other funding cuts in the public sector
suddenly it seems like a big # since education is a touchy subject... yet BC alone is in a 3 BILLION dollar deficit... people can't grasp their head around how much money that is.. comes off as just a number... but its a huge fucking number... something our generation is going to have to work to pay off

regarding the summer jobs... there has ALWAYS been a labour shortage in BC so I don't see how some people aren't "lucky" enough to find these jobs

from when i was 15 - 18 ( 4 summers ) I have been able to find a full time (40hrs a week) summer job in no more than 2 days every time that pays over $12 on craigslist
there are tons of job agencies that will even find you a job within a week that guarantees over $12/hr
and non of these jobs were labor intensive, i barely had to do shit, one of them i got paid $25/hr to press buttons, $15/hr data entry in an office and the other 2 working in a warehouse picking orders... easy and boring as fuck while some of my colleagues were complaining about 8/hr fast food / retail jobs

waaaa cry me a river, not my fault ur an idiot
if you can't support yourself and survive in Canada, you won't fucking survive anywhere else you pansy ass bitch

of course there are exceptions, but Canada is one of the few countries filled with opportunities that allow you to develop the skills necessary to have a flourishing life given that you want it bad enough and willing to put in the work

[03aspec]

thats what happens during a recession

better than pumping money that isn't going to stimulate the economy and add to the deficit... which is EXACTLY what the NDP would be doing if given the chance

the 16M cut isnt actually that much if you compare it with other funding cuts in the public sector
suddenly it seems like a big # since education is a touchy subject... yet BC alone is in a 3 BILLION dollar deficit... people can't grasp their head around how much money that is.. comes off as just a number... but its a huge fucking number... something our generation is going to have to work to pay off

regarding the summer jobs... there has ALWAYS been a labour shortage in BC so I don't see how some people aren't "lucky" enough to find these jobs

from when i was 15 - 18 ( 4 summers ) I have been able to find a full time (40hrs a week) summer job in no more than 2 days every time that pays over $12 on craigslist
there are tons of job agencies that will even find you a job within a week that guarantees over $12/hr
and non of these jobs were labor intensive, i barely had to do shit, one of them i got paid $25/hr to press buttons, $15/hr data entry in an office and the other 2 working in a warehouse picking orders... easy and boring as fuck while some of my colleagues were complaining about 8/hr fast food / retail jobs

waaaa cry me a river, not my fault ur an idiot
if you can't support yourself and survive in Canada, you won't fucking survive anywhere else you pansy ass bitch

of course there are exceptions, but Canada is one of the few countries filled with opportunities that allow you to develop the skills necessary to have a flourishing life given that you want it bad enough and willing to put in the work

THANK YOU

[ienhz]

I don't know a single student at SFU that gets paid more than $15/hr let alone $25/hr. Even for co-op you're lucky to get close to $17/hr - and this is from places like HSBC, RCMP, CRA, etc.

I agree, it's not difficult to get a higher than minimum wage job. My first job paid $12/hr, but I know a lot of my friends are getting paid $10/hr and they thought I was lucky to get a job that paid $12, lol.

[lilaznviper]

if its your first job in that industry don't expect to get paid a lot until you get the experience

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Please allow me .....*ahemmm

FUCKING SKYTRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reason : .. budgets cuts to pay for it :)

lol wats tat gotta do with this thread

[dna82]

you students need to stop asking for handouts, your education is heavily subsidized by the government already.

[hotjoint]

i hate school, good thing I didnt waste anymore time and went sraight to work and climbed up the corporate ladder. Experience is a big difference maker. Most people with degress arent getting hired over someone who has experience in the same industry.

[falcon]

What if your female?
Yes, and? Aren't women all about equality these days? When I worked landscaping and construction there were many women on the jobsite.

What job pays 20 an hour?
ANYTHING in construction, some office jobs, working for any of the municipalites. It is very easy to get on as say a gardener for the summer and make $20+ and hour. Hell I worked as a background extra for a summer at $15/hour and make BANK and had all the free catered food I could handle.

What if you are in a program that requires a summer workload?
This is an exception... like co-ops and such which I understand

What if you are disabled (there are 4 autistic kids in one of my classes)?
My sister is disabled and gets a LARGE amount of money from the government every month. I am %100 SURE if they applied they would be granted the same money.

What if you are orphaned (losing parents at a young age like myself kinda suck when you have to raise yourself)?
I was not orphaned, but I also did not get ANY help from my parents because they were not financially able to help through HS and Post sec. Paid for it all myself.

These "high paying" jobs are not out there as you think.
They are all over the place. All you have to do is look longer than 5 minutes on craigslist and browse the classifieds.

Oh btw, I'm not poor, and actually have 2 really high paying jobs and actually saved my money. But not everyone out there is as lucky as me.
I never said anything about being poor. I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about not getting handouts. Someone nailed it on the head in another post about wasting our tax payers money taking shit like Asian studies just to have a "degree''..



My sister has lived on her own in Victoria for the last 4 years paying for her full time classes at UVIC, as well as rent/food/car/insurance with a P/T job paying $14 an hour. Yes, she had very MODEST student loans (were talking like $3-$4/year) but had to work quite hard to get them.. writing papers and keeping her grades above a mark.

So no one can tell me you can't do it.

[falcon]

yep, cause the labour/construction jobs are totally booming right now!

Cause EVERY student only goes to class 4 hours a day and can work 30 hours each week! Cause tuition is only $4000! I'm assuming you're a past student.Your example no longer apply to current market/students. And way to leave out single parent, the disabled etc

They are... go walk onto any major jobsite and as long as you have a good head on your shoulders and don't do drugs there is a good chance you will walk away with a job.


For a while I did day labour to fill my empty days where all I would have been doing is watching TV. Many of these job sites would rather have a normal person work for them than hire the skids I had to do day labour with.

[91LS-VTak]

People take loans expecting to pay it back. I don't think ANYONE takes a loan thinking "HA HA! I just borrowed this money and I'm never going to pay it back"

SO many people can afford to buy things for straight cash these days :rolleyes:

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

[falcon]

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

well... kind of, you could call it bankrupcy.. but that fucks your credit for a long and last time I checked the government forgiving your loan does not.

[Spectre_Cdn]

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

With regard to the interest-relief/loan forgiveness:
How does a person with disabilities (mental or physical) pay back a loan? With their monthly income assistance?

For everyone else who has taken a loan, the most they'll get is interest-relief for a period of time, with proof of a valid reason such as unemployment or insufficient income; I highly doubt they would get forgiveness of their loans.

Student financial aid consists largely of student loans and not bursaries/scholarships. Without the loans, many students can't afford their education. As for getting a job, everyone has their own reasons. It's not like having a student loan is a good thing; it has to be returned eventually.

[91LS-VTak]

With regard to the interest-relief/loan forgiveness:
How does a person with disabilities (mental or physical) pay back a loan? With their monthly income assistance?



Get a job? Unless you're a quadrapalegic (sp?) or have the IQ of a celery stick, you should be able to find a job (especially since they went to school to study something)

[antonito]

They are... go walk onto any major jobsite and as long as you have a good head on your shoulders and don't do drugs there is a good chance you will walk away with a job.
Not really. A few days ago I went to the security gate at the jobsite I work at and they have giant stacks of resumes that no one wants to bother looking at

[twitchyzero]

Hey. Why did you ignore my post? Are you just complaining for the sake of just how much it sucks that $16M is being reprioritized, or do you really think that the government is misappropriating that $16M? I'm trying to steer the discussion to the overall economical impact, and just not the educational impact (Or soon to be lackthereof)

From what I read in the article, it's not exactly like the government is trying to eliminate Student-Aid in its entirety. They're reducing budget from $116M to $100M. That's still a hefty $100 Million for availability right there. Yes the current economical trend has caused the margin of Student-Aid to slim by a fraction, but the people who truly require it most will STILL be able to recieve it.

Well I'd say most of that 100mill is going towards loans not grants/bursaries. With loans the max you can take out per academic year is around $10k. That's STILL insuffcient for a lot of us especially if you're in a health-care field. What happens when jobs are hard to find, and/or you dont have much time to work? You rely on grants/bursary to survive. If these grants/bursary are slimed to either a small amount or none at all many students will be fucked.

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?
Read my previous post. Broke-ass grads would have to work @ publicly funded entity/rural areas for a few years only to have at a maximum of 1/3 of their total debt cleared.

the debt wont simply disappear by proving you're poor and just sit on your ass. Cause sitting on your ass and getting "hand outs" seems to be the implications of those against studentaid programs.


from when i was 15 - 18 ( 4 summers ) I have been able to find a full time (40hrs a week) summer job in no more than 2 days every time that pays over $12 on craigslist
there are tons of job agencies that will even find you a job within a week that guarantees over $12/hr

waaaa cry me a river, not my fault ur an idiot
if you can't support yourself and survive in Canada, you won't fucking survive anywhere else you pansy ass bitch


So were those summer jobs happened to be this past summer? Like I said, the situation/market has changed dramatically in the past 12 months, so unless you got decent paying jobs even in your teenage years this past year they dont mean much to me.

Also if you read in my previous posts even if one were to find a decent paying job, it's a matter of actually having the time to work. Those that are required to take 22 credits a term, 40+ hours on campus won't have that luxury. After coming home from 8-10 hour days you have shit of homework to do or you'll be too burnt out for anything else. Obviously this isn't applicable to the majority students but will having a devastating effect on others.

Here are some other's that agree the P/T market for student currently blows. Seriously employers in the last 2 months are FLOODED with student resumes. Unless you have a resume with superb experience you cant even get your foot in the door. If your avaliability is limited it's pretty much a "dont even bother"

I don't know a single student at SFU that gets paid more than $15/hr let alone $25/hr. Even for co-op you're lucky to get close to $17/hr - and this is from places like HSBC, RCMP, CRA, etc.

I agree, it's not difficult to get a higher than minimum wage job. My first job paid $12/hr, but I know a lot of my friends are getting paid $10/hr and they thought I was lucky to get a job that paid $12, lol.

Not really. A few days ago I went to the security gate at the jobsite I work at and they have giant stacks of resumes that no one wants to bother looking at

[m4k4v4li]

i took summer courses so i only worked p/t... ill admit it took me longer than usual to find work, and i did get turned down at lots of places, but still managed to find a decent paying (around 350/week for 20hrs work) within the week then again i wasnt looking for construction/warehouse stuff like before so I can't say those jobs weren't available

maybe you should refer to the first line of my original post

ur long ass post all boils down to one statement
"waa we're in a recession it sucks"

you're not alone

[Great68]

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

I think you don't have a clue how the loan forgiveness program works.

It's more of a retroactive scholarship/bursary than a "I can't pay my loan so the government has to" sort of thing. It only applies to specific professions (as outlined below). The idea behind loan forgiveness was to make these professions more attractive to students by offering financial incentive.

Eligibilty requirements, per the StudentAidBC website:

Eligibility criteria
To qualify for the B.C. loan forgiveness program, you must:

- Have B.C. student loans in good standing.
- Be in student loan repayment.
- Not be enrolled in full-time post-secondary studies.
- Have graduated from an accredited post-secondary institution in the time-frame required by the program for different professions (see below).
- Be employed at a publicly funded facility, as described below.

Nursing, medical, midwifery and pharmacy graduates

You are eligible for B.C. student loan forgiveness if:

- You graduated (or your study program ends) after Aug. 1, 2000.
- You are employed at a publicly funded facility in an underserved B.C. community.

Speech language pathology, occupational therapy, audiology and physiotherapy graduates

You are eligible for B.C. loan forgiveness if:

-You graduated (or your study program ends) after Dec. 1, 2004.
-You are employed at a publicly-funded facility, working with children.

Teachers for the deaf and hard of hearing , teachers for the visually impaired, school psychologists, technology education teachers

You are eligible for B.C. loan forgiveness if:

-You graduated (or your study program ends) after April 1, 2007.
-You are employed at a publicly funded facility or school district in B.C.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Let's put it this way. If you really really really want to go to school you will fine the money to do it. Is a matter of how much you like school VS. How willing are you work towards that goal.

I have to admit when I was going to school I took student loans and during summer I work in the sun everyday 5 days a week around 60+hours per week. Pay is good but the job isn't. You sweat, you get a black tan and when you are done for the day you have no energy to go out. But money is money.

It took me years to pay back the loan I borrowed so why should other's get away with it. You borrowed it, you pay for it. We learn that when we are 3years old.

Post secondary for Canadian citizens is already really cheap the way it is now. Think about international students, their tution is 3x what a Canadian citizen is paying on average. That's how much courses is at post secondary so the government is already paying a large amount for ppl.

People have to know learn not everything is handed to them in life and sometimes you actually have to work hard for your goal, and sometimes unlucky things do happen where you just have to accept it. No one is going to guide you and give you a hand everytime you need help.

[Meowjin]

I dont know why people are talking about defaulting on their loans because that is only a very small amount here.

We are talking about the loan remission program they offered to graduated to work in butt fuck BC, and have their loan paid off by the government and we are talking about bursararies.

[Great68]

We are talking about the loan remission program they offered to graduated to work in butt fuck BC, and have their loan paid off by the government

This

[twitchyzero]

People have to know learn not everything is handed to them in life and sometimes you actually have to work hard for your goal, and sometimes unlucky things do happen where you just have to accept it. No one is going to guide you and give you a hand everytime you need help.

Good point and I agree. But I was initially frustrated because the gov't didn't even bother to announce it and I was receiving it each year and became dependent on it.

[3seriesBeeM]

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

[dna82]

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

no, because it's the law. it is a requirement, not an option.

[Meowjin]

maybe our stop signs here should say arret too :rolleyes:

[Amuse]

First the HST, now this

[twitchyzero]

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

For some odd reason I think my bursaries ended up funding this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEXL7NjAhnY

If ricer underglows are illegal..WHY ARE THEY HAVING THIS SHIT ON OUR BUSES