UN says Israel = War Criminal

[StylinRed]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8257301.stm

Amidst news of Israel refusing to halt further "settlements" (occupation) into Palestinian lands comes news of the UN finding Israel to be responsible of War Crimes and more
I dunno how this is buried in the news on the BBC, and only appears at the bottom of the screen on CNN but:

excerpts: go to link to watch a video and read the full article

There is evidence that both Israeli and Palestinian forces committed war crimes in the recent conflict in Gaza, a long-awaited official UN report says.

It accuses Israel of deliberately using "disproportionate force" in the three-week operation in December and January.

The report also condemned rocket attacks by Palestinian groups which Israel says sparked its offensive.

Palestinians and human rights groups say more than 1,400 Gazans were killed, but Israel puts the figure at 1,166.

Three Israeli civilians and 10 Israeli soldiers were also killed...

...The investigation, led by South African judge Richard Goldstone, found evidence "indicating serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law were committed by Israel during the Gaza conflict", a UN statement said.

...Israel also "committed actions amounting to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity".

The Israeli operations, the document states, "were carefully planned in all their phases as a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise a civilian population".

...Israel's interrogation of political activists and repression of criticism of its activities had "contributed significantly to a political climate in which dissent was not tolerated", it said.

...The Israeli military insists troops acted lawfully during the conflict.

...Israel, refused to co-operate with the UN fact-finding team.

...Eight months after the conflict, very little reconstruction has taken place in Gaza because of the strict Israeli-imposed blockade which bans all but essential supplies from entering the enclave.

Now before you go on a tangent at me for just including Israel in the title instead of including palestinian forces you will need to watch the Video by Judge Goldstone and the reaction from Israel (Judge Goldstone in the video just mentions Israel at the beginning and Israel finds the findings to be one-sided) also on the CNN bulletin reel they also just mention Israel

[tool001]

every country , at one time or another committed war crimes. however, only the ones US wishes to go after gets punished. end of story

[Meowjin]

fuck zionism.

[cococly]

As long as they do not invade Iran

[m4k4v4li]

[dna82]

1) don't fight a war if you're gonna lose.

2) both sides committed war crimes.

3) nobody cares about war crimes.

[liu13]

all is fair in love and war

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by dna82

2) both sides committed war crimes.

you can't really compare some aimless shells dropping on occupied land with what israel comitted

I'm pretty sure Judge Goldstone just added that in to appease the massive supporters of Israel (USA)

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

you can't really compare some aimless shells dropping on occupied land with what israel comitted

I'm pretty sure Judge Goldstone just added that in to appease the massive supporters of Israel (USA)

arguing 'disproportionate force' is another way of saying, sore loser.

[StylinRed]

The ones arguing disproportionate force, crimes against humanity, war crimes, opression of their own people are not the "losers" but the United Nations

"sore losers" isn't an accurate description at all of the Palestinians considering the victims are opressed citizenry who have nowhere to go to escape the violence not even surrounding countries and they have phosphorus rounds melting through their body and being used as human shields for the Israeli army etc etc etc


you would think the Jews would have more sense and care when it comes to this (considering the holocaust) yet it just seems like they're using what happened to them in the holocaust against other ppl (i guess they didn't have an issue with the tactics used by the Nazis they just didn't like to be the victims)

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

The ones arguing disproportionate force, crimes against humanity, war crimes, opression of their own people are not the "losers" but the United Nations

"sore losers" isn't an accurate description at all of the Palestinians considering the victims are opressed citizenry who have nowhere to go to escape the violence not even surrounding countries and they have phosphorus rounds melting through their body and being used as human shields for the Israeli army etc etc etc


you would think the Jews would have more sense and care when it comes to this (considering the holocaust) yet it just seems like they're using what happened to them in the holocaust against other ppl (i guess they didn't have an issue with the tactics used by the Nazis they just didn't like to be the victims)

again.
arguing 'disproportionate force' is another way of saying, sore loser.

party A attacks party B.
party B smashes party A.
party A says party B hits too hard and therefore, should be punished through party C.

does that even make any sense to you?

The UN? geezes, can't think of a more castrated and gutless organization.

[StylinRed]

Party A didn't attack first

Party B was picking off Party A leaders after a "truce" so then

Party A started throwing shells into occupied settlements

Party B said Hey u started it (fingers crossed) and destroys Party A targetting civillians mainly

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Party A didn't attack first

*groan*

and that ladies and gentlemen is why there will be no peace in the middle east.

the other guy started it first. always.

[StylinRed]

you can't ignore the truth their leaders were being picked off by Israel along with other bs

Israel and its ally (usa) just doesn't want themselves to look even more evil then they are by looking like the so called 'victim'

you should be directing your last comment at yourself

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

you can't ignore the truth their leaders were being picked off by Israel along with other bs

Israel and its ally (usa) just doesn't want themselves to look even more evil then they are by looking like the so called 'victim'

you should be directing your last comment at yourself

On 20 December, Hamas officially announced that they would not be extending the cease-fire, which had expired on 19 December, citing Israeli border closures as the primary reason, and resumed its shelling of the western Negev. The IDF initially maintained what it called a "wait-and-see" policy afterward. Hamas blamed Israel for the end of the ceasefire. It stated that the Israelis had not respected the terms, which Hamas defined as the lifting of the blockade and a complete ban of military incursions into Gaza

no 'leaders' were killed, only 6 grunts.

'disproportionate force' = sore loser

just because you can't afford the fancy weapons, doesn't mean they can't be used.

[dna82]

see, if i really really really wanted to be as irrational as yourself. I go along and say
well 'party A did attack first because they kidnapped XXX'

then you'd find some other way to justify kidnappings and try to say they only did it because the israelis did XXX first etc etc etc.

and it will never end.

so i'm going to opt out of that sticky mess and go with what's good.

don't pick a fight you can't win.

[StylinRed]

The six-month cease-fire started coming apart at the beginning of November after Israeli commandos killed a team of Hamas fighters during a raid on a tunnel they suspected was being dug for the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. That raid set off more Palestinian rocketing, which prompted further Israeli attacks. All this prompted Hamas to declare that it wouldn't extend the cease-fire unless Israel lifted its punishing siege of the Gaza Strip, which was imposed after the militant group Hamas was elected to power nearly three years ago.

But Israel, unwilling to grant Hamas any concessions, kept the siege on, so the rocketing increased, and in turn, Israel killed more Gazan fighters, feeding the violent cycle. The Hamas rockets rarely hit anybody, but did terrorize many Israelis and enrage the whole country.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...e-out-now.html

there's a whole list of actions that Israel has done besides that (such as the murdering of Hamas leaders 14 year old daughter, bulldozing of houses etc etc etc)

didn't bother finding government sources or more sources of the other attacks for u as it shouldnt be necessary



as for the "suspected kidnapping tunnel" that's just bs... the last time before that incident that there was a "suspected kidnapping" was 2006 (you can check out the israeli govt. website for that http://www.mfa.gov.il/ ), that tunnel btw is said to be used to transport medicine and food into the deprived city


but fine ill play the same game as you "you're irrational and don't want to see the truth so we'll end it here cuz you clearly lost and we can keep going back and picking out instances of incursions until the beginning when we find Israel sparking conflicts and assasinations against British Lords that led to the British creating Israel"

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...e-out-now.html

there's a whole list of actions that Israel has done besides that (such as the murdering of Hamas leaders 14 year old daughter, bulldozing of houses etc etc etc)

didn't bother finding government sources or more sources of the other attacks for u as it shouldnt be necessary



as for the "suspected kidnapping tunnel" that's just bs... the last time before that incident that there was a "suspected kidnapping" was 2006 (you can check out the israeli govt. website for that http://www.mfa.gov.il/ ), that tunnel btw is said to be used to transport medicine and food into the deprived city


but fine ill play the same game as you "you're irrational and don't want to see the truth so we'll end it here cuz you clearly lost and we can keep going back and picking out instances of incursions until the beginning when we find Israel sparking conflicts and assasinations against British Lords that led to the British creating Israel"

*yawn*
i can do this all day http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fww...Fwarcrime.html

but i won't because well, you still can't grasp the very simple and basic concept as

don't pick a fight you can't win

[StylinRed]

thanks you lost, gg pick another game to play

a *yawn* to evidence that you're wrong on who started it is pathetic... a man would have admitted he was wrong and moved on

instead you chose to ignore everything and repeat your false statement of "don't pick a fight you can't win"

sad


edit: also this isn't a matter of Hamas losing that battle or who started it, its the fact that Israel resorted to crimes against humanity.
if crimes against humanity is fine with you, i better not see you bitching if/when Iran launches all its weapons onto Israel

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

thanks you lost, gg pick another game to play

a *yawn* to evidence that you're wrong on who started it is pathetic... a man would have admitted he was wrong and moved on

instead you chose to ignore everything and repeat your false statement of "don't pick a fight you can't win"

sad


edit: also this isn't a matter of Hamas losing that battle or who started it, its the fact that Israel resorted to crimes against humanity.
if crimes against humanity is fine with you, i better not see you bitching if/when Iran launches all its weapons onto Israel

man, you are slow.
"don't pick a fight you can't win"
does not apply to OUR conversation, as YOU and ME
but to the current israeli/palestinian conflict.

if you weren't so short sighted you would've picked up on this vibe from the first post.

likewise, if you were paying attention to my posts you'd be able to understand.

War Crimes, nobody cares, Israelis, Palestinians all committed them.
UN, castrated and toothless.
Israel is the strongest military force in the middle east, a rag tag group of terrorists isn't going to topple them. so what have we learned today?

"don't pick a fight you can't win"

i'm going to add this in because i understand you're kind of slow.
you don't pick a fight you can't win because it creates alot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

THE END.

[StylinRed]

WTF was comparing "don't pick a fight you can't win" to YOU N ME?? jesus christ

i was pointing out the Palestinians didn't PICK the fight thats what our whole exchange was, who picked the fight

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

WTF was comparing "fon't pick a fight you can't win" to YOU N ME?? jesus christ

i was pointing out the Palestinians didn't PICK the fight

see thus we return to you irrationality, you'll argue in a series of events eventually with ' he did it first '. which, honestly doesn't matter. why? because the fact of the matter is

israel has a superior military force, and a rag tag bunch of terrorists will never topple them.

see you started out with the article, I pointed out both sides are accused of war crimes.
I pointed out 'disproportionate force' is merely a screen for the word 'sore loser'
and then you randomly go on about Palestians being victims of everybody and continue to draw the conversation into a 'he started it first' scenario.

to sum it up. it's the past, get over it.

[StylinRed]

Lol the fact that you call it "sore losers" is incorrect

they aren't terrorists... they're fighting against an occupying force (you have to resist its human nature, u cant just bend over and say give it to me)

and the war crimes is about israel directing its attacks against the civilian population, they can't be "sore losers" because they AREN'T FIGHTERS

you're the one who started the who started it first, by your "party A attacks party B"

jesus christ do you even know what you typed previously... or do you just keep spitting out garbage hoping it will all fit

[dna82]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Lol the fact that you call it "sore losers" is incorrect

they aren't terrorists... they're fighting against an occupying force (you have to resist its human nature, u cant just bend over and say give it to me)

and the war crimes is about israel directing its attacks against the civilian population, they can't be "sore losers" because they AREN'T FIGHTERS

you're the one who started the who started it first, by your "party A attacks party B"

jesus christ do you even know what you typed previously... or do you just keep spitting out garbage hoping it will all fit

ohh geezesssss so Hamas is not a terrorist organization?
peace out, that one did it for me, i am arguing with a child.

[StylinRed]

ahahahahaha i knew that would give you your opening to run from your defeat
gj ignoring everything tangible and posting comments that didn't fit hoping over time you could pick and choose from your posts to create a coherent argument too bad it was a losing battle from the start



But seriously for a moment, im going to assume in your view everything is game during war (since u have no issues of Israel attacking civilians, categorizing them as fighters by the term 'sore-losers') with that viewpoint suicide bombings by Hamas killing civilians shouldn't be a concern with you either and since they are fighting an occupying force they should be considered "resistance fighters", so you lost due to your own position

So you're retort of 'arguing with a child' was describing yourself as i was using your argument to categorize Hamas as non-terrorists (maybe you should stop replying and begin some inner-reflection)