[7seven]

Can we just get rid of Translink already

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) - City councillors in Richmond are warning people about TransLink's idea to potentially put a toll on the Knight Street Bridge. If true, you might have to dig in a little deeper in the future for the commute to and from Richmond and points south, and it could have a dramatic impact on commuters and businesses.

The Knight Street Bridge, connecting Richmond to Vancouver, is owned and maintained by TransLink and could be a likely target for future 'road pricing' plans. Richmond city councillor Bill McNulty worries it could significantly change traffic patterns across the Lower Mainland. "When you talk about road pricing, you're talking about adding a tax or a toll, and as a result we're very concerned that may be one way of raising money."

A recent report highlighted the need for $130 million per year from existing revenue sources to maintain current service levels. TransLink's Ken Hardie says ideas are still in the discussion stage. "The issue has actually been discussed for a number of months in terms of how we pay for the big expansion that we need in the transit system in the region. The real key at this time is to look at the concept of road pricing and what it actually means, how it could work and where it might be applied."

While he understands the shortfall, McNulty says tolling drivers on existing infrastructure is not an acceptable option.



http://www.news1130.com/more.jsp?content=20090916_133303_7504

[Dragon-88]

Id rather buy a boat or swim accross than give those bitches more $$$...

[thumper]

should have kept the old fraser st. bridge... right 89blkcivic? ;)

[twitchyzero]

um, screw that.

[azzurro32]

Fuck me. Don't drive and u gotta pay for shitty transit service. So choose to pay lots for a car and insurance and now gotta pay to leave your front door.

[Great68]

Wow Middle finger to Richmond much?

That's an incredibly major artery for all of greater vancouver...

[pandalove]

they might as well toll my fucking drive way so i dun have to deal with that shit for the rest of the day

[FatalCloud]

i'll just go to oak st bridge or granville bridge

[Drift_Monkey]

i'll just go to oak st bridge or granville bridge

they'll try to find some ways to toll these bridges as well

[raygunpk]

they'll try to find some ways to toll these bridges as well

how about flower bridge?

[Drift_Monkey]

^ yeah lol flower bridge up their ass!!!!!

[MG1]

should have kept the old fraser st. bridge... right 89blkcivic? ;)

They would find a way of taxing that as well.

I'm glad they're talking about putting a toll on the Knight Street Bridge. More people pissed off is a good thing. Now we can all unite together and get rid of Translink.

It wouldn't be so bad if Translink was actually efficient. I don't think it is. All they do is collect more and more money and not find real solutions. I'm no expert, but it seems they're not doing a good job.

[Jeffield]

Well, If they make something like the 407 in Toronto, I would understand a toll and I would willingly pay for that... but for knight bridge? yeah right

[Jsunu]

Wow if they toll that.... prepare for the richmond shitstorm!

[busdriverman]

F THAT SHIT!

[Gumby]

i'll just go to oak st bridge or granville bridge
Arthur Laing, you mean.

Great, that will just create MORE traffic on those two bridges.

[Dragon-88]

Well its bad enough that I stay the hell away from Richmond becuase of the bad drivers.. But if this goes through then I will never go into richmond again... Unless necessary.. But still ghey.

[Pocakj]

wat the fuck

[!Yaminashi]

Wow if they toll that.... prepare for the richmond shitstorm!

Fried rice everywhere!!

[murd0c]

I'm happy to hear that a place other the surrey is getting tolled. now u know how we have been feeling
With the supposed toll that's going to happen on the new port mann

[twitchyzero]

I'm happy to hear that a place other the surrey is getting tolled. now u know how we have been feeling
With the supposed toll that's going to happen on the new port mann

it's a $2.4 billion project to reconstruct, what do you expect.

none of the bridges connecting vancouver are new..why sould we get tolled?

[Mercy]

translink sucks balls, death to translink.

[wouwou]

I'm happy to hear that a place other the surrey is getting tolled. now u know how we have been feeling
With the supposed toll that's going to happen on the new port mann

but new bridges being tolled makes sense, Translink need to have the construction cost recouped. If I recall correctly, that's 3.3 billion?

but tolling a bridge long after the payoff period = fucked up

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

are they FUCKING kidding me???


skytrain is a piece of shit, breaks down almost on a weekly basis, yet they wonna fucking charge me $100 dollars + a month. Aint saving shit in terms of monthly gas bill, the only thing i save is my fucking milleage. fucking joke

[boatcaptain]

Fried rice everywhere!!

:haha:

[TRDood]

where are they going to put the toll booths?

so going to mitchell island is going to be tolled as well?

lol, put the tolls in the middle of the bridge.

[murd0c]

it's a $2.4 billion project to reconstruct, what do you expect.

none of the bridges connecting vancouver are new..why sould we get tolled?

Its more cause of the up keep since it is a older bridge. I don't like it either
Yes I know there's a new bridge going in so you can understand the tool but
How do u think we feel the same thing is there nothing we can do about it

[you!]

fcuk u translink

[k2_alpha]

richmond's economy is going to go down the shit hole when this happens.

Most of their customers are from Vancouver.

If there is a toll, I am sure most C- lais are just going to stay in Vancouver and haunt China town instead.

[Jsunu]

where are they going to put the toll booths?

so going to mitchell island is going to be tolled as well?

lol, put the tolls in the middle of the bridge.

My guess is they are going to replicate what they have now on the golden ears bridge. Auto tolls through license plate cameras.

[jackmeister]

most chinese in east van will move to richmond.

[tiger_handheld]

where are they going to put the toll booths?

so going to mitchell island is going to be tolled as well?

lol, put the tolls in the middle of the bridge.

Toll cameras will be on the richmond end of the bridge, just like at the Golden Ears...


but a serious F UUUUU to translink. transhit should be privatized. each municipality with its own bus service/co.

[wouwou]

richmond's economy is going to go down the shit hole when this happens.

Most of their customers are from Vancouver.

If there is a toll, I am sure most C- lais are just going to stay in Vancouver and haunt China town instead.

c-lai wont go to Chinatown, period.

Parking there needs skills, not to mention finding a spot first.

[PiuYi]

they might as well toll my fucking drive way so i dun have to deal with that shit for the rest of the day

since he didnt do it... i'll do the honours....

FUCKING SKYTRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cococly]

Oak St. Bridge would be even more conjested if that happened.

[skyxx]

I think they should put a Toll on Highway 1 instead of those bridges that link Vancouver to Richmond etc etc. Oh and FUCK Translink....

[shenmecar]

There is going to be a major uproar from Metro Vancouver if Translink does this.

I use the Knight Street Bridge everyday to get to work. And judging by the fact that there is a shit load of traffic at 8AM and 4PM, thousands of people are just like me.

Fuck that shit.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

just toll every fucking bridge in this city...




:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


fucking retarded idea

[AzNightmare]

RS Group buy for a boat. Who's in with me?

[K3604]

thats fucked up, translink is retarded.. theyll probably end up using that money for paying off old debts they owe from the canada line.

[Durrann1984]

i'm moving out of vancouver fuk this

[jackmeister]

since he didnt do it... i'll do the honours....

FUCKING SKYTRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for once, it actually makes sense

[GLOW]

c-lai wont go to Chinatown, period.

Parking there needs skills, not to mention finding a spot first.

they'll probably just go to the T&Ts @ metro and on 1st

[m4k4v4li]

or giving it to union leaders who work hard to find ways to strike and give overpaid translink employees even MORE benefits & money

[InvisibleSoul]

Bullshit... penalizes only a certain portion of the population, and that portion of the population gets it up the butt.

[unit]

im gonna get one of those license plate flipping things installed on my car like in the movie the transporter

[jeff_alexander]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEe6M9PdqY

Quick UBC, SFU and BCIT engineering students, make something like this and profit.

[q0192837465]

well, if they dun tolll the Knight St. bridge, they'r gonna increase property tax. Better that some ppl suffer than everyone suffers

[StylinRed]

just toll every fucking bridge in this city...
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
fucking retarded idea

That's what i thought they were planning


what i dont understand (linked in the golden ears bridge thread) is why is only 50% of the toll going to pay for the construction.... it should be 90% to repay construction and 10% for maintenance

and after construction costs are recouped you can lower the price of the toll and split the toll between maintenance and profit

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

sweet...guess what?


the freakng piece of shitty ass skytrain just broke. Friend just called and saying cant attend the class for tonight

everyone on the sky shit is all pissed off, swearing and pushing and shit. Still wonna charge people for $3-4 dollars per trip that lasts 2hrs? lol wat a joke

:thumbsup:

great job sky shit

[q0192837465]

^ there's always something wrong in the New West stations. Why can't they just fricking fix it.

[pandalove]

^ there's always something wrong in the New West stations. Why can't they just fricking fix it.

Canada.

[murd0c]

Canada.

talking shit about the skytrain is ok don't even think you can start talking shit about are country!!!!

[MWR34]

If they are going to Toll Us, atleast spend some of the money and fix the never ending Potholes that I have to swerve and avoid daily.

[jeff_alexander]

talking shit about the skytrain is ok don't even think you can start talking shit about are country!!!!

learn to engirsh

[pandalove]

talking shit about the skytrain is ok don't even think you can start talking shit about are country!!!!

LoL Canadians

[SpuGen]

I wouldn't mind if they fixed the fucking potholes.

I mean, how much does it cost to fit a hole?
2 service workers, some asphalt, and a section of a lane closed for a day.

Bumps, not dips!

I think we should all just go out and attack the potholes with asphalt.

[!Tigger]

fuck translink sucks balls, no wonder why everyone would rather drive

[godwin]

They don't need toll booths.. they use cameras..

where are they going to put the toll booths?

so going to mitchell island is going to be tolled as well?

lol, put the tolls in the middle of the bridge.

[hotjoint]

this is great news, only because I live in surrey and they wanna toll the port mann. They should just toll every bridge and once they get enough money then take the tolls off at the same time. That way everyone get fucked up the ass and not just a certain city. Gotta love translink huh?

[KinseySS]

just toll every fucking bridge in this city...




:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


fucking retarded idea

Actually you may have something there.

Why not toll every bridge over every major waterway and charge like 25 cents. :)

[hotjoint]

:lol @ 25 cents. More like $2 minimum. Just toll every bridge! piss everyone off!

[Not really racist!]

Actually you may have something there.

Why not toll every bridge over every major waterway and charge like 25 cents. :)

LOL, YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT...

25 cents?

[Zyzz]

fuck this shit

some bus drivers are making 100k / year?

no wonder no graduates are staying in canada and the population is getting older

fuck the no.3 road, fuck the amount of unsynchronized intersections in vancouver

[quasi]

How the fuck do they redo the highway on a road that leads to a resort town mainly used by tourists and people with vacation homes and not put a toll on it? They then toll bridges that people use everyday in there commute because they cost to much money to improve/maintain? Tolling Granville & Port Mann bridges well not tolling the Sea to Sky totally blows my mind.

[jeff_alexander]

How the fuck do they redo the highway on a road that leads to a resort town mainly used by tourists and people with vacation homes and not put a toll on it? They then toll bridges that people use everyday in there commute? Why they want to toll Granville & Port Mann and not toll the Sea to Sky totally blows my mind.

It all has to do with volume of traffic, there is obviously more people going over the Knight bridge than the Sea-to-Sky on average, hence it is more profitable.

[misteranswer]

How the fuck do they redo the highway on a road that leads to a resort town mainly used by tourists and people with vacation homes and not put a toll on it? They then toll bridges that people use everyday in there commute because they cost to much money to improve/maintain? Tolling Granville & Port Mann bridges well not tolling the Sea to Sky totally blows my mind.

There reasoning also was that you can still take the patullo bridge, which is free. There really is no alternative for the sea to sky highway unless you want to travel 8 hours to go all the way around.

[JesseBlue]

imona get flamed for this...YES TOLL KNIGHT STREET!!! Eventually, they'll toll the new port mann...so lets toll the other bridges as well!

bwahaha

[jeff_alexander]

imona get flamed for this...YES TOLL KNIGHT STREET!!! Eventually, they'll toll the new port mann...so lets toll the other bridges as well!

bwahaha

I am also in for rasiing tarrifs and protectionism against foreign markets trying to enter this country. FUCK made in china products, from now on all products sold in canada will be made in canada.

[quasi]

There reasoning also was that you can still take the patullo bridge, which is free. There really is no alternative for the sea to sky highway unless you want to travel 8 hours to go all the way around.

You can't drive around to the Island either you have to pay the ferry ride or fly. Anyone taken the ferry lately? The fares are redonkulous.

The whole reasoning behind the latest tolls is to pay for the infrastructure and remove them once paid off right? I'm just asking the question why toll so selectively? Most of you don't think the sea to sky should be tolled before anything used a ton in the city? Punish the majority and let the majority front the money for the minority? That's fine, it's not really my stance but the people in power seem to think along the same lines so what do I know?

[JesseBlue]

i wonder what will happen if we just change provincial gov't? will this solve the problem? i don't really care if they say about what happened before but the truth is i benefitted during those times when i went to school as they paid for my whole tuition fees, and i'm sure i'm not the only one...

[jeff_alexander]

i wonder what will happen if we just change provincial gov't? will this solve the problem? i don't really care if they say about what happened before but the truth is i benefitted during those times when i went to school as they paid for my whole tuition fees, and i'm sure i'm not the only one...

almost everytime they change the government, nothing gets done and fees increase

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^ there's always something wrong in the New West stations. Why can't they just fricking fix it.
wats wrong with new west?

fuck im serious, for the past 3 weeks , every week there is always SOMETHING wrong with the sky shit making delays. FUck, makes me pissed off for paying a shitty ass service that cant run shit
talking shit about the skytrain is ok don't even think you can start talking shit about are country!!!!
Our ;)
fuck translink sucks balls, no wonder why everyone would rather drive

ya no fucking shit
i pay around $250 a month on gas including weekends plus weekdays commute. Now after taking sky shit it cuts down to about $150 a month. But paying roughly $100 for their shitty ass fucking service is a joke, at the end of the day i dont save a penny. Funny

[TypeRNammer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nsVNpkk_D8

lets all pitch in and make ourselves a boat with a twin turbo nissan v8 LOL

[spoon.ek9]

If they are going to Toll Us, atleast spend some of the money and fix the never ending Potholes that I have to swerve and avoid daily.

translink has nothing to do with our local road maintenance, am i wrong? that's our local municipalities that take care of that shit. if anything, they should fucking fix that boat-ride on no.4 road. if you haven't noticed already, all roads leading to the olympic oval are being repaved instead. not that this is a bad thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that the real issues are being swept under the rug until the olympics are over.

I am also in for rasiing tarrifs and protectionism against foreign markets trying to enter this country. FUCK made in china products, from now on all products sold in canada will be made in canada.

you say that and yet you don't understand that canada is mainly an exporting country. this country has a history of exporting raw materials and then purchasing them back as finished products (especially from the US). you really think this society is going to pay the higher prices for canadian made products when ppl are so cheap they drive around to get $0.01-$0.02 cents off on gas??

there's a reason why cheap imported products sell so well in this country and others.

[iEatClams]

I'm happy to hear that a place other the surrey is getting tolled. now u know how we have been feeling
With the supposed toll that's going to happen on the new port mann

+ 1.

Hwy 1 is the main access going into and out of vancouver for people from the valley and the rest of the country.

[iEatClams]

or giving it to union leaders who work hard to find ways to strike and give overpaid translink employees even MORE benefits & money

my friend who works there says theres soo many dumb ass people that have been with the company for 10 + years who make $35 + / hr where they could have easily have gotten a SFU, UBC co-op student to do the exact work for $14/hr.

Honestly, 20% of the employees do 80% of the work for them. The others just work half-ass.

[Marco911]

I'm pretty sure they're looking to shop that bridge to Macquarrie bank who will slap tolls on it the same day the deal closes.

[m4k4v4li]

my friend who works there says theres soo many dumb ass people that have been with the company for 10 + years who make $35 + / hr where they could have easily have gotten a SFU, UBC co-op student to do the exact work for $14/hr.

Honestly, 20% of the employees do 80% of the work for them. The others just work half-ass.

yup

i worked for a crown corporation that was unionized one summer

the section i worked in dealt solely with products that employees would fuck up on the machines... I would have to go through all of them by hand piece by piece....annually it costs the company 300,000 grand to operate this section.... i got paid $25/hr to do this for half the day, the other half i spent pressing a few buttons operating a machine


its funny because a lot of the employees there were in their 60s and dozing off / reading newspapers/magazines and shit while working the machines, its easy stuff... all you have to do is pay attention and you won't fuck up but they still manage to, many of them earning $40/hr+ benefits

[MG1]

learn to engirsh

He's trying to communicate with them......... it's not easy.

I dun no what else to says. Don't mess with .......... jesus, it's hard. :haha:

Engrish has got to be the hardest language to learn. It's almost English, but not quite. I dun know, man.

[WakeMeUp]

The Knight Street bridge may have had adequate capacity when it was built around 1970, but it needs to be doubled in size right now to come close to meeting capacity. But of course there's no timetable for that in the next 30 years..

About the golden ears bridge and the NEW port mann: Like others have said, the toll is understandable to pay for it. Plus, the Golden Ears is built over capacity. 6 lanes for about 30000 vehicles a day vs the Knight St bridge at 4 lanes for over 60000 vehicles a day. Tolling the Knight Street bridge is crazy.

[JesseBlue]

since we're in this subject, let's copy london and toll downtown! we all know that's where the money makers are! hehe

[jeff_alexander]

since we're in this subject, let's copy london and toll downtown! we all know that's where the money makers are! hehe

money makers are in west van, not downtown

[Euro7r]

Mudabitch, mother Bullshit. Building that piece of crap canada line and now they need to find money to pay that crap. Might as well toll every flipping bridge here.

[Tapioca]

the section i worked in dealt solely with products that employees would fuck up on the machines... I would have to go through all of them by hand piece by piece....annually it costs the company 300,000 grand to operate this section.... i got paid $25/hr to do this for half the day, the other half i spent pressing a few buttons operating a machine


its funny because a lot of the employees there were in their 60s and dozing off / reading newspapers/magazines and shit while working the machines, its easy stuff... all you have to do is pay attention and you won't fuck up but they still manage to, many of them earning $40/hr+ benefits

Perhaps people should have actually looked into what wages/administrative costs actually mean in the grand scheme of things...

Administrative costs (i.e. wages, etc.) account for a rather small portion of Translink's budget. According to Translink's 2008 report, administrative costs were in the neighbourhood of $39 million, out $1 billion in total expenditures. Even if you cut wages in half, it still won't amount to much. Really, would you drive a bus for $15/hour and have people spit in your face? Probably not...

But, if you've taken the Canada Line, you will notice that a private company is running things. So, Translink is listening (sorta.) ;)

[twitchyzero]

some bus drivers are making 100k / year?


LOLWUT

where did you get that # from?

[rslater]

Would never work. Everyone East of knight, would never travel all the way to Oak or Arthur Lang to get into Richmond. Richmond would suffer endlessly.

[wahyinghung]

Looks like I will be staying out of the C-lai infested city once the toll kicks in...

[danned]

stupid tolls.....go eat the mama
why should we need to pay for going to different city?

[jlai23]

thats the worst idea ever!! already pay nuff for gas

[Mr.HappySilp]

I took the skytrain to work and only buy the one zone faire(need 2 zone). The only reason I actually pay is coz I also take the bus, otherwise I wouldn't pay a penny. I work for 2years and never ever seen anyone check for tickets(during rush hours they never check tickets).

I would pay if the system is better. Just look at moring(8 to 9:30am) and eveings(4:30pm to 5:40pm). The skytrain is fill with ppl and lot's of time ppl can't even get on, they have to wait at the stations for a good 10 to 15mins before they find a skytran that have enough room for them. I took the longer route to work(have to get up 20mins ealiers) to ensure I am not late for work but yet every week they skytrain much fuck up. What they need is more skytrain running(every 1 to 2mins for a new skytran during rush hours) and have more bus running and run later hours.

Just today when I got off work I have wait 3 skytrain to find a spot. If transitlink more ppl to use thier service they have to make it relible.

There are 2 ppl in my work place who never ever buy a bus ticket for the last few years and never been caught. They have the same reason as me, Once transitlink start to put thier shit together we will start supporting them.

[yvrnycracer]

i thought the VPD was tolling the knight street bridge in their own way already?!

If they are going to do this they better be adding a few lanes on each side... that bridge is a mess! So is the oak street bridge.

Translink is operated by a bunch of morons that have no concept of a budget. They already get 600+ million in tax/levy/fee revenue on your gasoline, natural gas, property tax etc etc... and only 300 million from fares... Translink needs to be run like a business and not like a rich kid with an unlimited budget... You can't keep charging and not improving transit service and roads...

A few ideas... kill the road transit police... they are USELESS... pop in turnstyles... change the fare system... And farm out all the major infrastructure projects to private companies... and KILL THE UNIONS... they lower productivity because there is no incentive to work harder...

Why was the golden earns bridge and the canada line finished early? Public/Private Partnership... Private money = efficient money...

[scheng924]

We should put some funds together and create a Revscene Ferry Service

[TRDood]

just be like japan, toll every bridge and every section of the highway.

it actually cost 2-3 times more driving from tokyo to osaka (6-8 hours) than to take the bullet train (2 hours, 10,000 yen) or plane (1 hour, 20,000 yen)

[spoon.ek9]

Why was the golden earns bridge and the canada line finished early? Public/Private Partnership... Private money = efficient money...

they purposely set the finish date for the canada line to be far past the actual day it would be completed. it's a PR move to make the project look good. everyone expects that a project will get delayed not finish before a deadline.

let's not forget here, they've already said they are looking for ways to maintain current service levels. which means we're paying for skytrain, buses, and canada line EVEN if we're not using it. personally i think the people who use the service should pay for the service. ie, hike up those damn fares. we who drive pay enough already with insurance, gas and maintenance. why should i have to pay for other peoples choice to not drive?

also, there was that $600,000 settlement translink had to pay for that one cambie street business owner! they are appealing but imagine the kind of precedent that sets for the other owners who are in the crapper because of the canada line construction!

[toyota86]

if they rebuilt the knight street bridge with 4 lanes each way then i wont mind paying the the tolls. otherwise, hidden plate system it is.

[mr_piggy]

Why are you people so heated up anyways? If you live in Richmond, that means you like living there and spend most of your time there anyway. Why do people choose to live in one city then spend 100's of hours every year driving to other cities? LOL

[mr_piggy]

they purposely set the finish date for the canada line to be far past the actual day it would be completed. it's a PR move to make the project look good. everyone expects that a project will get delayed not finish before a deadline.

let's not forget here, they've already said they are looking for ways to maintain current service levels. which means we're paying for skytrain, buses, and canada line EVEN if we're not using it. personally i think the people who use the service should pay for the service. ie, hike up those damn fares. we who drive pay enough already with insurance, gas and maintenance. why should i have to pay for other peoples choice to not drive?


I like your logic.

That way, all bridges should have a toll as well. Since I live in Vancouver and have no reason to venture into the suburbs I shouldn't have to subsidize all the suberbanites who drive to Vancouver for work everyday either! :D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

thats the worst idea ever!! already pay nuff for gas
werd, fucking gas taxes
they purposely set the finish date for the canada line to be far past the actual day it would be completed. it's a PR move to make the project look good. everyone expects that a project will get delayed not finish before a deadline.

let's not forget here, they've already said they are looking for ways to maintain current service levels. which means we're paying for skytrain, buses, and canada line EVEN if we're not using it. personally i think the people who use the service should pay for the service. ie, hike up those damn fares. we who drive pay enough already with insurance, gas and maintenance. why should i have to pay for other peoples choice to not drive?

also, there was that $600,000 settlement translink had to pay for that one cambie street business owner! they are appealing but imagine the kind of precedent that sets for the other owners who are in the crapper because of the canada line construction!

i think u nailed it my friend

[Great68]

Why are you people so heated up anyways? If you live in Richmond, that means you like living there and spend most of your time there anyway. Why do people choose to live in one city then spend 100's of hours every year driving to other cities? LOL

Vancouver and Richmond are separated by less than a kilometer of river, therefore Richmond pretty much IS the same city as Vancouver.

When I think of Vancouver I think of the whole greater vancouver area: Vancouver, Richmond, Burnaby, North Van, New West. They may have different municipal governments but they really just make up one big city.

[Expresso]

There are 2 ppl in my work place who never ever buy a bus ticket for the last few years and never been caught. They have the same reason as me, Once transitlink start to put thier shit together we will start supporting them.

This kind of goes to the point I want to make. Why don't they install the damn turnstiles NOW? I'm sure there must be some kind of added revenue in that.

I agree that the current infrastructure is pretty bad, imagine when the Olympics roll in no one will get on the trains lol.

[Vege]

Why are you people so heated up anyways? If you live in Richmond, that means you like living there and spend most of your time there anyway. Why do people choose to live in one city then spend 100's of hours every year driving to other cities? LOL

The majority of people do not have the luxury of living in the same city as where they work.

[iEatClams]

Perhaps people should have actually looked into what wages/administrative costs actually mean in the grand scheme of things...

Administrative costs (i.e. wages, etc.) account for a rather small portion of Translink's budget. According to Translink's 2008 report, administrative costs were in the neighbourhood of $39 million, out $1 billion in total expenditures. Even if you cut wages in half, it still won't amount to much. Really, would you drive a bus for $15/hour and have people spit in your face? Probably not...

But, if you've taken the Canada Line, you will notice that a private company is running things. So, Translink is listening (sorta.) ;)

I really liked how you brought up that admin cost point.

But we're not just talking about translink, but other crown corporations as well.

There are plenty of places to make wage cuts in the public sector. Many of the jobs do require the high wages, but there are plenty more that don't require $25/hr + awesome benefits to be a receptionist.

The market should determine the wages. For many jobs that have a huge supply of workers wanting to and able to do the occupation, I dont understand why the wages are so high for many jobs that do not require a lot of skill/education.

Even if we save $2 million a year or so. That's 2 million that could be used to do things like. . . . .cover the potholes!

[quasi]

also, there was that $600,000 settlement translink had to pay for that one cambie street business owner! they are appealing but imagine the kind of precedent that sets for the other owners who are in the crapper because of the canada line construction!

That person totally deserved that money IMO as they totally fucked her business. I hope all the other business who were affected sue as well.

[shenmecar]

Why are you people so heated up anyways? If you live in Richmond, that means you like living there and spend most of your time there anyway. Why do people choose to live in one city then spend 100's of hours every year driving to other cities? LOL

Richmond-bubble phenomenon right there.

[quasi]

For shits and giggles, some people posts in the threads talking about tolling Port Mann, Patullo and Golden Ears bridges when it doesn't effect them. I'm sure they feel the same way now, toll that fucker. [/sarcasm]


I don't get what all the complaining is about. Vancouverites such as myself rarely venture into the Surrey, etc, so why should I pay for someone else's commute?

And its also great news for people who live in the 'burbs as well, now you get a brand new bridge to speed up your commute.

Its only fair that you pay for what you use and not have the taxpayer foot the bill.

Its like when my friends and I head to Calgary, we have to pay to use the highway, its only fair because most people who live in BC or Alberta will never/rarely use this route, why should they have to pay for it?

http://www.revscene.net/forums/patullo-new-toll-t540884.html?t=540884&highlight=toll


It's called differential revenue and differential cost guys, you move out to bum fuck no where and decide to get a cheaper house but you get a job or whatever in the city it's the price to pay.

Frankly, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for shit I'll never use.

fuck ya, especially when they are taxing me 25-30%

http://www.revscene.net/forums/new-port-mann-t563413p2.html?highlight=toll


I like the idea. I haven't cross to surrey for years so why should my tax dollar go towards a bridge I will never ever use?

Let the ppl who use it pay for it.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/new-port-mann-t563413.html?highlight=toll

People who live in Vancouver (or whatever city you live in) pays for the construction/maintenance of bridges within our city and thats fair. But when it comes to bridges that connect two municipalities then I think they should all be tolled. You use what you pay for.. I don't like subsidizing idiots who choose to commute 1+hr to work each way to work.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/pattullo-bridge-re-t561090p3.html?&highlight=toll

[jeff_alexander]

The majority of people do not have the luxury of living in the same city as where they work.

Well fuck them

[hk20000]

^ Nice I want to fuck the majority of (female) population too.

[spoon.ek9]

That person totally deserved that money IMO as they totally fucked her business. I hope all the other business who were affected sue as well.

i agree, i didn't that she doesn't deserve it. every business that went under should get some kind of compensation. it was absolutely selfish and ignorant for translink to implement a cut-and-over to save costs and expect no one to sue.

my point was that, despite reasonable logic (and ethical issues), chances are that translink will try to make us pay for that settlement and any others in the future.

[TruboChrager]

since we're in this subject, let's copy london and toll downtown! we all know that's where the money makers are! hehe

LOL. Might as well toll every bloody street in Lower mainland for that matter.

[tiger_handheld]

just heard on the radio that Golden Ears makes about 1mil per month in tolls.

[JesseBlue]

translink ceos/directors/supervisors get more than that!

[!Tigger]

ICBC = Crown Corp = surplus

shit roads shitty bus service. = translink

why not take ICBC's surplus and fucking fix these god damn roads

[Jeffield]

To be honest, If they do Toll

Please toll EVERY bridge, just to make it make more sense, like the crappier bridges for cheaper... and better ones for a little more and even better ones little more

like

$2
$5
$10


Not percisely in that price... please no

but do it like how they do it in Hong Kong

[mr_piggy]

The majority of people do not have the luxury of living in the same city as where they work.

I think thats one of the lamest excuses I hear from people. "Vancouver is so expensive etc. etc" Umm.. no its not. Almost anyone who has a full time job can afford to live in Vancouver. Its just that supersized North Americans like their Supersized cars and Supersized houses and they'd rather spend 100's of additional hours commuting every year so they can buy that monster house in the suburbs instead of a nice condo in the city.

With everything said and done, living in the suburbs and commuting is actually MORE expensive than living in the city when you include the added stress, time, expense, etc. So why do so many people still do this? Because they are fucking STUPID! :D

[quasi]

Delete off topic.

[tiger_handheld]

I think thats one of the lamest excuses I hear from people. "Vancouver is so expensive etc. etc" Umm.. no its not. Almost anyone who has a full time job can afford to live in Vancouver. Its just that supersized North Americans like their Supersized cars and Supersized houses and they'd rather spend 100's of additional hours commuting every year so they can buy that monster house in the suburbs instead of a nice condo in the city.

With everything said and done, living in the suburbs and commuting is actually MORE expensive than living in the city when you include the added stress, time, expense, etc. So why do so many people still do this? Because they are fucking STUPID! :D

Tell me how I(used generally) can pay a mortgage with 12/hr with a wife who makes $10/hr with two kids 1 in elementry and 1 in highschool.

can i own a house in "vancouver" - tell me where ( 2 br , 2 full bath )

(12*160hrs/mo + 10*160hrs/mo) = 3500/mo gross x 18% for tax =2860 after tax x 12 = 35k per year!


can i own a decent car ? decent = 2000+ without it having to breakdown every 2500km

seems like ur in fantasy land mr.piggy, or u've grown up with money all ur life that you have lost its meaning..

[Vege]

I think thats one of the lamest excuses I hear from people. "Vancouver is so expensive etc. etc" Umm.. no its not. Almost anyone who has a full time job can afford to live in Vancouver. Its just that supersized North Americans like their Supersized cars and Supersized houses and they'd rather spend 100's of additional hours commuting every year so they can buy that monster house in the suburbs instead of a nice condo in the city.

With everything said and done, living in the suburbs and commuting is actually MORE expensive than living in the city when you include the added stress, time, expense, etc. So why do so many people still do this? Because they are fucking STUPID! :D

Have you checked how much it costs to afford a home in Vancouver? I as well as many people I know would rather buy a house in the suburbs than live in a small condo in Vancouver.

[iEatClams]

With everything said and done, living in the suburbs and commuting is actually MORE expensive than living in the city when you include the added stress, time, expense, etc. So why do so many people still do this? Because they are fucking STUPID! :D


WTF are you talking about?? So you're calling everyone that can't afford to live in vancouver stupid. I don't even know where to begin to describe how stupid you are.

I've lived almost everywhere in the lower mainland.

Burnaby, East Van, Langley, Delta, Surrey, Burnaby (by SFU), Coquitlam, and Abbotsford.

It's near impossible for me to afford a house in East Van on an average persons salary unless I have help from rich parents. If I got kids, I can't live in a condo!

fuck . i dont even want to start . . .just want to say you're an idiot!

[Mr.HappySilp]

For shits and giggles, some people posts in the threads talking about tolling Port Mann, Patullo and Golden Ears bridges when it doesn't effect them. I'm sure they feel the same way now, toll that fucker. [/sarcasm]




http://www.revscene.net/forums/patullo-new-toll-t540884.html?t=540884&highlight=toll






http://www.revscene.net/forums/new-port-mann-t563413p2.html?highlight=toll




http://www.revscene.net/forums/new-port-mann-t563413.html?highlight=toll



http://www.revscene.net/forums/pattullo-bridge-re-t561090p3.html?&highlight=toll

U quoted me wrong lol. I never complain aobut the tolling of the bridges. I just came to express my feelings aobut how crappy bus/skytrain services is even though they are getting huge amounts of fundings from tax/revenues and other sauces.

This tolling is not going to help to improve the public transportation in any way. Is just a money grab for the higher ups so they can give themselvies 40% annual raise every year.

[Jobo]

They'll be fucked if there's an earthquake warning and they are told to evacuate the area.
HA!

[tiger_handheld]

Have you checked how much it costs to afford a home in Vancouver? I as well as many people I know would rather buy a house in the suburbs than live in a small condo in Vancouver.

WTF are you talking about?? So you're calling everyone that can't afford to live in vancouver stupid. I don't even know where to begin to describe how stupid you are.

I've lived almost everywhere in the lower mainland.

Burnaby, East Van, Langley, Delta, Surrey, Burnaby (by SFU), Coquitlam, and Abbotsford.

It's near impossible for me to afford a house in East Van on an average persons salary unless I have help from rich parents. If I got kids, I can't live in a condo!

fuck . i dont even want to start . . .just want to say you're an idiot!


I thought i was the only soldier in the mr.piggy battle.

garrhh - still pisses me off

[trig]

:mad:
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090918_100650_2648

[hotjoint]

^ wow these motherfuckers are crazy.

[asahai69]

time to buy a boat

[asahai69]

Tell me how I(used generally) can pay a mortgage with 12/hr with a wife who makes $10/hr with two kids 1 in elementry and 1 in highschool.

can i own a house in "vancouver" - tell me where ( 2 br , 2 full bath )

(12*160hrs/mo + 10*160hrs/mo) = 3500/mo gross x 18% for tax =2860 after tax x 12 = 35k per year!


can i own a decent car ? decent = 2000+ without it having to breakdown every 2500km

seems like ur in fantasy land mr.piggy, or u've grown up with money all ur life that you have lost its meaning..

lol. if ur making 12 bucks an hour. wife making 10 an hour. and you got 2 kids, oldest one is in high skool. then "owning" a house and car is the least of your worries lol. gotta be a complete fuckin idiot to have that situation.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

well its not easy to live in vancouver

say husband bring home $3g after taxe ($4g before taxes) wife brings home $2g before taxes

u have roughly $5g to spread our ur monthly expenses


$300 for a grocery getter

$200 for gas

$200 for insurance

$900 for food for the entire family

cell phones, cable, land lines $170

property taxes $300

mortgage/rent $1000-1400

misc expenses $300-600

about $4000 dollar right there, you can hardly save money if at all

[quasi]

U quoted me wrong lol. I never complain aobut the tolling of the bridges. I just came to express my feelings aobut how crappy bus/skytrain services is even though they are getting huge amounts of fundings from tax/revenues and other sauces.

This tolling is not going to help to improve the public transportation in any way. Is just a money grab for the higher ups so they can give themselvies 40% annual raise every year.

LOL, sorry about that I had like 5 windows open at once.

[quasi]

Have you checked how much it costs to afford a home in Vancouver? I as well as many people I know would rather buy a house in the suburbs than live in a small condo in Vancouver.

Ya I don't really get the whole everyone wants to live in Vancouver attitude like it's the end all be all place to live. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can give me the same house on same land in Vancouver then I have right now for the same price and I'd still rather live where I am. I have no desire to live in Vancouver and I'm not alone.

If I suddenly won 10 million from the lotto I'd build a house in the same area I'm in now.

[asahai69]

i dont really even get why this is a topic. if people cant afford to live in vancouver then dont live in vancouver. if i was making 14 bucks an hour. i wouldnt have a stick up my ass because i cant live in the west side. just gotta live within your means.

fuck sakes. i havnt gone on a proper vacation in 6 years. started working straight out of high school and i work 6 days a week. im never gonna cry because of some random people i dont know drive a nicer car or live in a nicer area. all i know is that i just gotta grind harder and work balls to the wall to achieve that shit.

on topic tho. the tolls are retarded. lol. i live in richmond. im gong to get fucked hard.

[tiger_handheld]

lol. if ur making 12 bucks an hour. wife making 10 an hour. and you got 2 kids, oldest one is in high skool. then "owning" a house and car is the least of your worries lol. gotta be a complete fuckin idiot to have that situation.

i'm 100% sure there's ppl in that situation man. not everything is all rosy!

i dont really even get why this is a topic. if people cant afford to live in vancouver then dont live in vancouver. if i was making 14 bucks an hour. i wouldnt have a stick up my ass because i cant live in the west side. just gotta live within your means.

fuck sakes. i havnt gone on a proper vacation in 6 years. started working straight out of high school and i work 6 days a week. im never gonna cry because of some random people i dont know drive a nicer car or live in a nicer area. all i know is that i just gotta grind harder and work balls to the wall to achieve that shit.

on topic tho. the tolls are retarded. lol. i live in richmond. im gong to get fucked hard.

I'm just gonna go and assume the following:
- u cross a bridge everytime you want to go to the 'vancouver'
- u live in richmond because you cant afford to live in the 'vancouver'

people move out to surrey,langley,abby cuz its cheaper. and driving for 40mins-1hr is 'not bad'. With tolls the person has two alternative:
7$ / day in tolls (3.50 x2) + 1hr commute time( say u make 20/hr) = 27.
alternately, you can bus ur ass for 2hrs = $40

so you go with option 1: drive and pay. 7*5 = 35 / week x 52 = 1820 per year.

i bet you anything that is 1 extra mortgage payment for a person in a small city.


the person tries to better themselves , but the gov't just pushes them back to the ground.

[Chairman Kaga]

- u live in richmond because you cant afford to live in the 'vancouver'

wait...isn't he the member that has a garage full of sweet cars?

[asahai69]

i'm 100% sure there's ppl in that situation man. not everything is all rosy!



I'm just gonna go and assume the following:
- u cross a bridge everytime you want to go to the 'vancouver'
- u live in richmond because you cant afford to live in the 'vancouver'

people move out to surrey,langley,abby cuz its cheaper. and driving for 40mins-1hr is 'not bad'. With tolls the person has two alternative:
7$ / day in tolls (3.50 x2) + 1hr commute time( say u make 20/hr) = 27.
alternately, you can bus ur ass for 2hrs = $40

so you go with option 1: drive and pay. 7*5 = 35 / week x 52 = 1820 per year.

i bet you anything that is 1 extra mortgage payment for a person in a small city.


the person tries to better themselves , but the gov't just pushes them back to the ground.

parents moved to richmond because its closer to our warehouse/office. my daily commute to work is a grand total of 3 minutes each way.

still own the vancouver house btw. just renting it out.


wait...isn't he the member that has a garage full of sweet cars?

lol. i wish man