[blazn1]

So far from my personal experience, I have gotten a VI for lowered suspension, and ticketed for no license plate. Do cops in Vancouver care about having day time running lights on when headlight are not on?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

nope never

my friend never ran DRL in his ride, never got hasseled


its a minor thing, tho i gotta say it is definitely a huge part of safety.

Seen wayyyyyyyy too many morons with their stupid new car driving at night, and not turning on ANY sort of light on other than their stupid auto. lit cluster

[nns]

Please have DRLs. I don't want to hit you, and I don't want you to hit me.

[SumAznGuy]

Please have DRLs. I don't want to hit you, and I don't want you to hit me.

So how does DRL's keep you from hitting me and me from hitting you?

Pedestrians don't have DRL's and I don't see them hitting me or me hitting them. :confused:

[nns]

I cannot believe the above question is actually being asked.

Please take 10 mins and think. Make it 5 mins.

If I can spot you more easily, regardless if I'm in a car or on foot, I'm that much more aware of your presence, and I can conduct my actions in a more informed manner. I don't want to surprise a driver/pedestrian because they didn't see me, and I don't want them to surprise me because I didn't see them. Surprises aren't fun for either pedestrian or driver.

I don't mean for this to be offensive, but I have to ask, are you seriously telling me you didn't think of this?

[SumAznGuy]

So how does DRL's keep you from hittng me and me from hitting you?

[spoon.ek9]

hahahahah wtf are you talking about? i guess 30-40% of the cars on the road are invisible to you then.

yeah, everyone else on this planet is unable to see 2000-4000lb MOVING objects because there's no DRL! that MUST be it.

it's this type of thinking that leads the gullible to believe you can't see white cars in snow and that black cars are instantly invisible at night.

[unit]

So how does DRL's keep you from hittng me and me from hitting you?

they're important because if someone forgets to put their headlights on at night, they still have drls and are still somewhat visible. without headlights or drls they're almost invisible at night

[SumAznGuy]

it's this type of thinking that leads the gullible to believe you can't see white cars in snow and that black cars are instantly invisible at night.

This would explain why people drive around in the day time with their high beams on right? ;)

[SumAznGuy]

they're important because if someone forgets to put their headlights on at night, they still have drls and are still somewhat visible. without headlights or drls they're almost invisible at night

And does these DRL's keep them from getting their black cars from getting rear ended at night?
And the DRL's also light up their dash clusters so they can see their speed-o-meter at night?

[Jsunu]

DRL increase vehicle visibility during the day and anything that increases car visibility is always good.

[unit]

hahahahah wtf are you talking about? i guess 30-40% of the cars on the road are invisible to you then.

yeah, everyone else on this planet is unable to see 2000-4000lb MOVING objects because there's no DRL! that MUST be it.

it's this type of thinking that leads the gullible to believe you can't see white cars in snow and that black cars are instantly invisible at night.

in that case why have street lights? headlights should be enough to see a huge object late at night. lets save on our taxes and stop giving electricity to street lights they are completely useless.

oh and bicycles.. why do they have reflectors? such a distraction to us drivers

[SumAznGuy]

DRL increase vehicle visibility during the day and anything that increases car visibility is always good.

So it is ok to drive around in the day and night with my high beams on because it increases car visibility and that is a good thing. ;)

[spoon.ek9]

in that case why have street lights? headlights should be enough to see a huge object late at night. lets save on our taxes and stop giving electricity to street lights they are completely useless.

oh and bicycles.. why do they have reflectors? such a distraction to us drivers

do you honestly think DRLs (DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS) are meant to be used at night? think about that for a second. only dumbasses don't know to turn their lights on at night and that's my exact point. if you have your headlights on at night, there is no basis for your argument of street lights being used or not. i guess everyone who drives to UBC at night just crash 100% of the time into objects and people huh?

bringing bicycle reflectors into your argument just shows how weak your case is.

[bengy]

DRLs are stupid, only because they turn on the headlights only. Why not turn the friggin tail lights on too?? All the time I can barely see idiots in Vancouver with DRLs on in the pouring rain or fog.

[SumAznGuy]

do you honestly think DRLs (DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS) are meant to be used at night? think about that for a second. only dumbasses don't know to turn their lights on at night or forget to turn them on and not notice that the lights on their dash are off and that's my exact point. if you have your headlights on at night, there is no basis for your argument of street lights being used or not. i guess everyone who drives to UBC at night just crash 100% of the time into objects and people huh?

bringing bicycle reflectors into your argument just shows how weak your case is.

Corrected you sentence.

[Jsunu]

So it is ok to drive around in the day and night with my high beams on because it increases car visibility and that is a good thing. ;)

EXACTLY ;)

Ok give me a good argument to WHY we shouldn't have DRL on. And no, "it burns out the bulb faster" is a bullshit excuse.

[SumAznGuy]

DRLs are stupid, only because they turn on the headlights only. Why not turn the friggin tail lights on too?? All the time I can barely see idiots in Vancouver with DRLs on in the pouring rain or fog.

The other issue is what constitutes are DRL's.

In most cars with fixed headlights, the DRL's is the high bean run at less than 100% yet cars with pop-up lights like the NA miata's use a different light.

91-93 MR2's have pop up lights. What do they use as DRL's?

[SumAznGuy]

EXACTLY ;)

Ok give me a good argument to WHY we shouldn't have DRL on. And no, "it burns out the bulb faster" is a bullshit excuse.


To be honest, I can't think of a good reason not to have DRL's, just like the arguement for them.

But since they are manditory by law to have them, I will break that law and go without. Fight the power. Stick it to the man. :rolleyes:

[jtanner_]

Do it for the lols. I don't have DRL on my car, but honestly how hard is it to turn a dial/flick a switch to turn on your lights at night. If you're not on a well lit road how can you not see that your headlights are on... I can turn on the lights for my gauge cluster while still keeping my HID's off with no DRL..

[Orion]

do you honestly think DRLs (DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS) are meant to be used at night? think about that for a second. only dumbasses don't know to turn their lights on at night and that's my exact point. if you have your headlights on at night, there is no basis for your argument of street lights being used or not. i guess everyone who drives to UBC at night just crash 100% of the time into objects and people huh?

bringing bicycle reflectors into your argument just shows how weak your case is.


WELL PUT... HENCE DAYTIME... they are for VISIBILITY for mainly oncoming traffic and pedestrians on the road... even in the daytime cars can blend into the environment around them, so if I'm at a crosswalk without the yellow blinking lights I would like to see traffic before crossing because not every douche bag driver stops for pedestrians

As for the Sum guy ranting about the high beams, I know you're sarcastic but for the rest of you high beams are to EXTEND YOUR OWN VISIBILITY, they are aimed higher so not only are you not enhancing your own.. you are blinding other drivers

for the OP, cars now a days are engineered not only for performance but to encompass a lot of the laziness and douche bag actions we perform almost on a daily basis... hence a lot of safety features are built to protect the driver and the environment around the driver... KEEP YOUR DRLs on because in the morning I'm super tire and fatigue driving to work and you might be on coming still drunk from last night's party... when you swerve, I might not have seen you in time... and If I don't end up dying I will probably come back here and flame you

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

DRLs are stupid, only because they turn on the headlights only. Why not turn the friggin tail lights on too?? All the time I can barely see idiots in Vancouver with DRLs on in the pouring rain or fog.

actually i dont think DRL is stupid, its just the idiots in vancouver forgets to turn on their first stage lights at night time. How the fuck can u forget? its like getting into ur car, first thing u do is get in, buckle up, and drive. And when it becomes dark outside, u simply fucking turn the knob otherwise

[!Aznboi128]

I got some led drls in my fogs so it's visible there's light but it's not bright, I use to roll with no DRLs at all, but i tun on my night time lights *one click rather then 2 for full headlights* most of the time anyways

[spoon.ek9]

I got some led drls in my fogs so it's visible there's light but it's not bright, I use to roll with no DRLs at all, but i tun on my night time lights *one click rather then 2 for full headlights* most of the time anyways

i do 1 click too when i know daylight is shitty; whether it be fog/cloudy day/early morning. it's not rocket science to know when to fully turn your headlights on :)

fyi, i don't use the DRL's on my car. the bulbs are there w/o any wiring hooking it up :P

[GC8]

they're important because if someone forgets to put their headlights on at night, they still have drls and are still somewhat visible. without headlights or drls they're almost invisible at night

wrong drl is bad for idiots at night... why? because drl gives them some light at night and they think their headlights are on.. but really they are not!! and the rear end is pitchblack since no lights on unless you turn it on

if their was no DRL the idiot when he/she turns on the car it will be dark then they will go hey I need to turn my headlights on.

this is my opinion.. drl is not needed I think it is just a waste of energy during the day and it makes idiots think their headlights are on.

[68style]

Please have DRLs. I don't want to hit you, and I don't want you to hit me.

So every car made before 1992 or whatever year they became mandatory is out to hit you and you will hit them? LOL

Not saying they don't make things MORE visible, but your argument is kind of missing its point considering a HUGE percentage of cars do not have them at all.

You know what should be banned? All the cars (I notice HONDA'S in particular suffer from this) who light the entire dash up when the headlights aren't on!!! That's just stupid! I've lost count how many times I've been out at night and seen some Honda Accord or whatever else cruising around with no tail-lights on because they think their headlights are on because the guage cluster is fully illuminated... even my wife's Honda Fit Sport does this. I can't even begin to think of the reason they wired it that way.

[!Aznboi128]

i do 1 click too when i know daylight is shitty; whether it be fog/cloudy day/early morning. it's not rocket science to know when to fully turn your headlights on :)

fyi, i don't use the DRL's on my car. the bulbs are there w/o any wiring hooking it up :P
that's exactly what i did before, i just took the fuse out for my drl

[The_AK]

Actually DRL's also help determine whether a car is turned on or not. So say for example you're driving on a single lane road and you want to overtake the car in front of you. You choose to turn into the lane heading in the opposite direction to overtake this person ahead of you. Now imagine seeing a car up ahead without their DRL's turned on.

Is it moving towards you or is it parked?

Now some people would think that its parked and continue to proceed into the other lane to overtake the car. At the point they would crash into a dumb ass such as yourself who chose to turn off his DRL's because he "wanted to be cool".

So you're actually endangering the lives of other drivers when you deactivate them off.

[GC8]

So every car made before 1992 or whatever year they became mandatory is out to hit you and you will hit them? LOL

Not saying they don't make things MORE visible, but your argument is kind of.... well.... I won't say it :p

well technically he has the DRL so only thing that could happen is him hitting the car without DRL

[GC8]

So every car made before 1992 or whatever year they became mandatory is out to hit you and you will hit them? LOL

Not saying they don't make things MORE visible, but your argument is kind of missing its point considering a HUGE percentage of cars do not have them at all.

You know what should be banned? All the cars (I notice HONDA'S in particular suffer from this) who light the entire dash up when the headlights aren't on!!! That's just stupid! I've lost count how many times I've been out at night and seen some Honda Accord or whatever else cruising around with no tail-lights on because they think their headlights are on because the guage cluster is fully illuminated... even my wife's Honda Fit Sport does this. I can't even begin to think of the reason they wired it that way.

this is on most new cars... the reason the dash light i son and it usual brighter is so it can compete with the sun. during the day you pupil are smaller so u need the extra light to see the dash. I find it stupid that some people who think its cool and have the dash light on the brightest at night... you will just strain you eyes
if you havent noticed when you turn on your headlights the dash should dim! to make it easier on your eyes at night

[SumAznGuy]

Actually DRL's also help determine whether a car is turned on or not. So say for example you're driving on a single lane road and you want to overtake the car in front of you. You choose to turn into the lane heading in the opposite direction to overtake this person ahead of you. Now imagine seeing a car up ahead without their DRL's turned on.

Is it moving towards you or is it parked?

Now some people would think that its parked and continue to proceed into the other lane to overtake the car. At the point they would crash into a dumb ass such as yourself who chose to turn off his DRL's because he "wanted to be cool".

So you're actually endangering the lives of other drivers when you deactivate them off.

So what if the dumbass forgot to turn off his headlights? Will that prevent you from over taking the other car?

Also, can you name a road in Vancovuer where you will be over taking another car, and have cars parked on the side of the road where they are close enough to be in the lane and you cannot tell if there is a driver or not? It is a far stretch for you example to be valid.

The honest truth is that there is no harm to have DRL's on in the day. Sure, there might be some premature wear on the lights, but bulbs cost what $1 or 2 each, unless you have those PIAA bulbs. But what is $80 over 3 or 5 years for a set of bulbs?

But don't fool yourself in thinking DRL's are the end all to human mistakes/stupidity. :thumbsup:

NNS, if you don't want me to hit you with my car, then don't be driving your car in the oncoming traffic lane. ;)

[jlenko]

Now imagine seeing a car up ahead without their DRL's turned on.

Is it moving towards you or is it parked?

Is it against the curb, or in the driving lane? It's not that hard to tell if it's light out. If it's dark out, you should have your lights on anyway.

Honestly.. Who gives a shit... not everyone needs to pass everyone else out there.

I think that DRL's are stupid.. because they don't turn on the rear lights. So, I disabled my DRL's and wired up the marker lights to come on whenever the engine is running instead.

[!Yaminashi]

DRL's are especially important in the rain. Driving home from work yesterday there was a civic behind me with no drl's and it was silver. It wasnt invisible, but if I had just glanced I wouldnt have known it was there.

I've seen alot of cars around lately with no DRL's actually. Saw an older audi TT pull into the gym parking lot with no lights on at all last night around 8:30

[!Aznboi128]

^ then they are idiots,

when the weather isn't right you should turn on your lights even if you have DRL. some people just don't have any common sence

[Orion]

lets just put it this way... stealth =/= cool.. stealth = why there are so many accidents even without the influence of alcohol

[Meowjin]

we kinda have a nation of 300 million people to south of us that don't run drl and they seem to be doing fine.

[penner2k]

You know what should be banned? All the cars (I notice HONDA'S in particular suffer from this) who light the entire dash up when the headlights aren't on!!! That's just stupid! I've lost count how many times I've been out at night and seen some Honda Accord or whatever else cruising around with no tail-lights on because they think their headlights are on because the guage cluster is fully illuminated... even my wife's Honda Fit Sport does this. I can't even begin to think of the reason they wired it that way.

That is exactly why I pulled the fuse on my DRL. I'd get in the car and without even realizing it I'd be driving without my lights on since the dash was lit up.
When I pulled the fuse then the dash lights only came on if the headlights were on.

[unit]

do you honestly think DRLs (DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS) are meant to be used at night? think about that for a second. only dumbasses don't know to turn their lights on at night and that's my exact point. if you have your headlights on at night, there is no basis for your argument of street lights being used or not. i guess everyone who drives to UBC at night just crash 100% of the time into objects and people huh?

bringing bicycle reflectors into your argument just shows how weak your case is.

i didnt say thats what they were made for, i gave an example of a situation where they come in useful. people DO forget to turn on headlights all the time. you've never caught yourself with your headlights off before part way through your drive? why do you think new cars have auto headlights? because people do forget all the time. all im saying is more visibility is not a bad thing. i dont see how you can argue that.

[!Aznboi128]

actually on a 7th gen accord if the dash lights are off you can't see the cluster as the plastic in front of the cluster isnt clear it's actually tinted so they actually need the lights

that being said I believe when purchasing a car some simple things such as this should be told to everyone. Just see way too many people driving with out proper lights

[TheMatty]

well my stupid car lights up the dash at all times, and has no drls

both how the car came :\ so i didn't disable anything, and the only thing that lights up is a little icon when the headlights are on

[!LittleDragon]

The other issue is what constitutes are DRL's.

In most cars with fixed headlights, the DRL's is the high bean run at less than 100% yet cars with pop-up lights like the NA miata's use a different light.

91-93 MR2's have pop up lights. What do they use as DRL's?

The MR2's use their fog lights as DRL's... I've seen some cars running around with their side markers as DRL's as well. My black MR2 had flush mounted headlights and I just left the headlights on all the time. Pull the key and open the door, the lights turned off on it's own. My USDM MR2 has no such feature :(

[!LittleDragon]

it's this type of thinking that leads the gullible to believe you can't see white cars in snow and that black cars are instantly invisible at night.

My gray car must be invisible all the time. I've been rear ended 3 times in the past year and a half. Most recently 3 weeks ago. I could be just sitting at a red light and I'll hear screeching tires behind me... guh..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

happened to my last car as well


time to switch i guess

[SumAznGuy]

My gray car must be invisible all the time. I've been rear ended 3 times in the past year and a half. Most recently 3 weeks ago. I could be just sitting at a red light and I'll hear screeching tires behind me... guh..

No, it's cause you have a sexy ass and they wanted to give it to you hard. ;)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

from behind

[124Y]

My HIDs turn on the moment I turn my key to the "on" position before starting the car up, so I never worry about forgetting to turn on or off my low beams at night.

[spoon.ek9]

i didnt say thats what they were made for, i gave an example of a situation where they come in useful. people DO forget to turn on headlights all the time. you've never caught yourself with your headlights off before part way through your drive? why do you think new cars have auto headlights? because people do forget all the time. all im saying is more visibility is not a bad thing. i dont see how you can argue that.

so it's useful for stupid drivers to be fooled into thinking their headlights are on? when in fact, only DRLs are on in the front and all tail lights are off. the point here is, if DRLs did not exist, people would be forced into remembering to turn their headlights on. thus, there would be sufficient light for BOTH directions of traffic. you cannot argue that light in the front is beneficial when people in the back are equally (if not more) screwed by the lack of light. instead, we coddle the retards and give them something that creates a false sense of security.

as for the comments about hondas having their cluster lights on all the time, this is ADJUSTABLE. the setting you have without the headlights on can be set differently than when you have them on. i used to drive a 2004 civic lx and at first i thought it was stupid too. then i fiddled around with it and came upon this discovery.

[TruboChrager]

My HIDs turn on the moment I turn my key to the "on" position before starting the car up, so I never worry about forgetting to turn on or off my low beams at night.

Do you have Bi-Xenon? What does HID have to do with high beams?

[SumAznGuy]

Maybe this will stop the argument on DRL's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp

Or open another can of worms? :confused:

[Great68]

I don't understand why people here hate for DRL's so much that they argue tooth and nail against them. A couple of extra lights turn on during the day, bigfuckingdeal.

[ilvtofu]

^you forget that some of us drive rice rockets and that extra stress on the alternator makes our cars significantly slower ;)

[Soundy]

wrong drl is bad for idiots at night... why? because drl gives them some light at night and they think their headlights are on.. but really they are not!! and the rear end is pitchblack since no lights on unless you turn it on

if their was no DRL the idiot when he/she turns on the car it will be dark then they will go hey I need to turn my headlights on.

this is my opinion.. drl is not needed I think it is just a waste of energy during the day and it makes idiots think their headlights are on.

Take it from someone who's been driving for 25+ years: there were just as many idiots driving around at night with no lights on, BEFORE DRLs became mandatory.

[illicitstylz]

Just the fact that it makes cars more visible is enough for me to have the drl's on even though I think the cars look better without them on

[SumAznGuy]

Just the fact that it makes cars more visible is enough for me to have the drl's on even though I think the cars look better without them on

That's the problem. In low light conditions, ie fog/rain/snowy/early mornings DRL's help when looking at the car from the front but this doesn't help seeing the back of the car. Also, DRL's have little to no benefit in increasing visability in high daylight.

Also, the argument is what to use for DRL's. High beam on lower voltage, corner markers, fog lights, or turn signals. In the low light situations, corner markers and turn signals are not going to help as much as fog lights or lower voltage high beams.

But then again, in the low light situations, people should have their night time low beams on.

Also, since matter cannot be created or destroyed, electricity to power the DRL's must come from the alternator which in turn means using more gas and creating more pollution (marginally at best)

[snowball]

DRLs are great cause the majority of driver's don't really pay attention when driving anymore than any increase in visibility of moving vehicles will help.

This isn't saying that driving without caution is okay, but having DRLs just might save your ass the next time someone decides to roll through a stop sign in front of you trying to save time.

[sonick]

If so many people weren't clued-out, we wouldn't need them.

In the spring I was on the I5 between Portland and Seattle in medium rain. Lots of tractor-trailers on the road kicking up huge spray. How many people had their lights on? Maybe 10%. Everyone is doing 80mph and you are almost completely invisible in that spray.

So, because these morons don't turn on their lights, we have DRLs. Same reason cars are being fitted with blind spot warning systems, lane departure warning systems, adaptive cruise control, automatic parallel parking, etc. Then these become required equipment after insurance companies lobby for them, and we all pay and extra $2k and have 500 lb more gear on our cars.

[spoon.ek9]

That's the problem. In low light conditions, ie fog/rain/snowy/early mornings DRL's help when looking at the car from the front but this doesn't help seeing the back of the car. Also, DRL's have little to no benefit in increasing visability in high daylight.

Also, the argument is what to use for DRL's. High beam on lower voltage, corner markers, fog lights, or turn signals. In the low light situations, corner markers and turn signals are not going to help as much as fog lights or lower voltage high beams.

But then again, in the low light situations, people should have their night time low beams on.

Also, since energy cannot be created or destroyed, electricity to power the DRL's must come from the alternator which in turn means using more gas and creating more pollution (marginally at best)

fixed ;)

[CivicTypeRice]

DRL increase vehicle visibility during the day and anything that increases car visibility is always good.
You'll notice my yellow drl's for sure.

[Amuse]

Here in Vancouver, people especially with newer gen Hondas don't turn on their lights at night. Without DRLs, I have no idea how they see at night or they want to be rear ended?

[oinkoinkpig]

^ they want to try out the takumi techniques from initial d

[!Aznboi128]

maybe before they can get their licence people should LEARN HOW TO FUCKING TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS!

that will save MANY lives.

[keifun]

I got rid of my DRL on my car...it was easy;one snip of a wire, DONE!

I've went thru road blocks a few times and I never got pulled over for not having DRLs on.

I think what attracts attention from cops are speeding, window tint, loud exhausts, low ride height and ricer lights/car neon underglow..etc.

[maxx]

Please have DRLs. I don't want to hit you, and I don't want you to hit me.

+1 Turn that shit on. run your foglights.. whatev

the same fucken reason i got rid of my leet "clear" bulbs and installed yellow bulbs - common sense

[SolidPenguin]

Motorcyclists are also glad that you have DRL's.
On a twisty road, or sometimes even in the city, you can barely see an oncoming car unless they had those lights. Also imagine if motorcycles didnt have DRL's either. Then they are even more invisible to cagers than they already are.

I am Pro DRL's whoo

[Drift_Monkey]

I hate it when people turn on both their headlight and DRLS... it blinds the fuck out of me when I'm driving across and infront of them.

It probably increases your visability, but your making everyone else angy.

learn how to read what a high beam symbol looks like on your dash before you get shot down one day.

[kumbo1]

DRLs are stupid, only because they turn on the headlights only. Why not turn the friggin tail lights on too?? All the time I can barely see idiots in Vancouver with DRLs on in the pouring rain or fog.

drl in my 94 golf had the tails on as well.

[vo_hantu]

To answer the original question...

Yes, you can be pulled over for no DRL's, changed bulb color DRL's. The same reason you can be pulled over for a busted headlight or illegal HID's.

If the cop is being a jerk, he can give you a VI - especially if you have changed the color of the DRL's...it's also another reason to be pulled over. "DRL's are off ehh ... hmm what else you got little boy?" haha

By law, canadian insured cars should have working DRL's, 1990 and up.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

DRL FTW

[taylor192]

Anyone that does not agree with the safety of DRLs has not driven into the sun everyday on their drive home. The sun is blinding, even with shades and the visor down, most objects fade into the glare.

How do you combat glare? More light. DRLs are visible even in the glare of setting sun.

Now you can argue if you drive correctly DRLs are not needed, yet if we all drove correctly no safety feature would be needed.

[Soundy]

^+1

Also, having grown up and learned to drive in the BC Interior, I can tell you, with long, straight, undivided, wavy two-lane highways and the distortion you get above the road from heat waves, DRLs make oncoming traffic WAY more visible, WAY WAY sooner.

[Vip13]

my buddy's been DRL-less for years. cops don't even notice.