[Eff-1]

Is this a good news story about a couple good samaritans? Or is it just a guy showing off his Porsche?

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/thibedeau-incident090921.mov

Discuss.

[Harvey Specter]

He's an idiot for reaching speeds that high with a passenger in his car and risking the lives of other drivers. He should be charged imo.

[chouchou]

Ahh that's a toughie... Props to them for helping with the arrest.. but.. at the risk of his passenger + other people in the neighborhood?

MY HEADDDD

[Eff-1]

Conversation between guy and reporter:

Can you show more of my car please? How about more shots of me driving the car? And can I say how fast my car goes? Oh and please can you send me a copy of this? You can email me a quicktime. Actually no wait, can I have a DVD too? And can I send a copy to all my friends?

[m4k4v4li]

were they highway driving? 170 isnt even that fast on the highway

[Harvey Specter]

Well the issue is he was in a high speed pursuit and high speed pursuits are never safe at any speed.

[greendb7]

This one is a toughie..I think it's all good though because of the positive outcome, otherwise if anything happened then yes they should be charged

[ilvtofu]

Wow awesome story, I need a 997 turbo to chase down baddies !!!

[vapour_lock]

yeah charge em i say they were speeding, wreckless driving etc..

its like nhl and head shots. if noone gets hurt noone gets suspended. If the porsche hit innocent people, they'd be singing a different tune

[azzurro32]

Give them benefit of the doubt. Put laws in place and start charging people after that.

It turned out well but they put alot of
lives at risk. 170km PLUS talking on cell phone lol.

P.s, am I the only one that thinks those 2 guys are a couple

[Major153]

This one is a toughie..I think it's all good though because of the positive outcome, otherwise if anything happened then yes they should be charged

The ends do not justify the means... the dude should have stopped the chase after giving the license plate #

[jtanner_]

Hm... Speeding and on the phone...? O rly?

Honestly that's a tough one... but the fact that while they were in pursuit, for im assuming 20 minutes as thats how long the video says it took the officers to catch up, with the response team... would probably cause me to assume that it were alright, especially if I was in the moment

[Harvey Specter]

P.s, am I the only one that thinks those 2 guys are a couple


I almost choked on my orange juice after reading this because come to think of it, they do look like a couple, lol.

[LenovoTurbo]

Reaching up to speed of 170km/h. That doesn't mean he went 170km/h all the way, he could have just sped up to 170km/h at one point and kept a constant 120km/h or so.

[KuSouL]

whoever was on the phone shoulda told them to stop ~
i dont think they should be charged?

if anything accidents happened during the chase then maybe ...
but in this situation i think the operator was at fault

[DC5-S]

getting away with speeding is always awesome

[Nightwalker]

I've done this following a drunk driver on the freeway. Unfortunately the police didn't intercept before their roof found the pavement.

[LenovoTurbo]

whoever was on the phone shoulda told them to stop ~
i dont think they should be charged?

if anything accidents happened during the chase then maybe ...
but in this situation i think the operator was at fault

The driver can say the operator allowed him to continue the pursuit if by any chance he gets involve in an accident.
Operator's fault for sure.

[TOS'd]

^ +1. Operator said to be safe about it. If anything it is the police department's fault. But at least they are pushing for a law/guideline to deal with the public being involved in pursuits.

The ends do not justify the means... the dude should have stopped the chase after giving the license plate #

What about that 300zx thread. Holly and Dustin followed a swerving, reckless driver. After phoning the police and giving the trucks info, they should have stopped following right? But they didn't. Should they be charged?

What about the guy who witnessed 2 guys robbing a car. He called police, the operator told him not to pursuit them. What did he do? He followed them. Should he be charged?

In both cases if they were driving at an excessive speed or not I don't think they should be charged, unless they caused an accident or something. I know the end does not justify the mean. But when people witness something like this, they don't just give what information they know and call it a day. They want to be there till the end. Put yourself in anyone of these 3 situations. Some guy steals a car. You call the police and you tell them the license plate number, make, model, and direction they are headed. Now do you just not do anything else? I would say most people would at least try and follow them. If they were driving at 120km/h and getting away, would you follow them at 60km/h? I doubt it. They would be long gone and you should have just listened to the operator and not pursued. I'm sure you would try and keep them in your view.

It might not make complete sense, but I'm tired. I also still have work to finish. All in all, this is a tricky situation. And everyone has their own opinion. Do I need a flame suit for this one?

[InvisibleSoul]

It is probably ten times safer being the chasing car than the leading car... because if there are any hidden surprises, the lead car would have bit it and the trailing car would have time to slow down.

[getalove]

least it wasn't for 20 cents

[moomooCow]

It is probably ten times safer being the chasing car than the leading car... because if there are any hidden surprises, the lead car would have bit it and the trailing car would have time to slow down.

The point they're going after is that if those guy stopped pursuing, would the criminal then slow down and drive at normal speeds?

[TheKingdom2000]

170km is fast but it isn't crazy fast...

and from what the guy said, and the road they were on, it didn't seem that dangerous?

good for them.

[azzurro32]

You had one guy in a truck who just assulted a girl fleeing from one untrained driver in a high end sports car with 2 passengers. If cops took longer who knows what mat happen.

Also what they expect to do? What if they stopped and he had a gun?

I don't think they should be ticketed, but they should use this as an example to what not to do in future cases

[Vansterdam]

gg

[asian_XL]

Porsche 911 is an exotic car?

:lol :haha:

[hotjoint]

interesting, good for them

[Psykopathik]

he could have merely followed rather than engage in hi speed persuit. him chasing the guy could have caused the criminal to try that much harder to flee and cause a huge accident.

[you!]

those 2 guys look gay:S

[InvisibleSoul]

The point they're going after is that if those guy stopped pursuing, would the criminal then slow down and drive at normal speeds?
Maybe, maybe not... based on other police chase videos I've seen. Sometimes they'll continue driving crazy even after they've stopped being followed.

But irregardless, if that's the point, should police not pursue fleeing criminals either?

[penner2k]

Maybe, maybe not... based on other police chase videos I've seen. Sometimes they'll continue driving crazy even after they've stopped being followed.

But irregardless, if that's the point, should police not pursue fleeing criminals either?

The police would have called off the chase at those speeds.

[InvisibleSoul]

The police would have called off the chase at those speeds.
You've got to be kidding me.

[moomooCow]

You've got to be kidding me.

Nope, they do that a lot of the times. If they chase and the criminal crashes and kills a whole bunch of people. They're sooooooooooo fucked. The thing is though, they have your plate and may even have a helicopter on you..

[Jeffield]

Hmm, i was going to post this a few mins ago... Saw it on Yahoo News


This is really tough, because the good happened and the bad did not,

Also penner is right because,

At those speed if they encouraged the chase, they are liable for anything that will happen to them...

and if something happens

they are fucked.

[InvisibleSoul]

Nope, they do that a lot of the times. If they chase and the criminal crashes and kills a whole bunch of people. They're sooooooooooo fucked. The thing is though, they have your plate and may even have a helicopter on you..
Then why are there so much footage of police car chases?

I watch World's Wildest Police Chases like everyday...

What if you're driving a stolen vehicle? So what if they have your plate if it's not your vehicle? Once you reach speeds of 160kmph, they say... gee, it's too dangerous, we'll let him go?

Some major cities like Los Angeles might have police helicopters to help with car chases... but most places like Vancouver does NOT.

[tool001]

well, if the person they were chasing gets charged with speeding, they should too!

usually when police is chasing criminals, they add on charges for all the laws they brake while in persuit (i.e. speeding, running red-lights etc.)

[TOS'd]

well, if the person they were chasing gets charged with speeding, they should too!

usually when police is chasing criminals, they add on charges for all the laws they brake while in persuit (i.e. speeding, running red-lights etc.)
^ psh i and how often do they pay for these charges. :rolleyes:
tap on the wrist and ill see tomorrow for your next work shift.

[RabidRat]

Maybe, maybe not... based on other police chase videos I've seen. Sometimes they'll continue driving crazy even after they've stopped being followed.

But irregardless, if that's the point, should police not pursue fleeing criminals either?

"irregardless"???? wtf haha

[InvisibleSoul]

"irregardless"???? wtf haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

:lol

Seemed like the right word to use at the time. :p

[dton13]

Then why are there so much footage of police car chases?

I watch World's Wildest Police Chases like everyday...

What if you're driving a stolen vehicle? So what if they have your plate if it's not your vehicle? Once you reach speeds of 160kmph, they say... gee, it's too dangerous, we'll let him go?

Some major cities like Los Angeles might have police helicopters to help with car chases... but most places like Vancouver does NOT.

Majority of those chases happen in the states. I believe it's procedure here to stop the chase, similar incident just happened days ago around here. Police called off chase but caught the guys later at their apartment.

And I was pretty sure we do have a police helicopter to use for these purposes as well.

[ziggyx]

Then why are there so much footage of police car chases?

I watch World's Wildest Police Chases like everyday...

What if you're driving a stolen vehicle? So what if they have your plate if it's not your vehicle? Once you reach speeds of 160kmph, they say... gee, it's too dangerous, we'll let him go?

Some major cities like Los Angeles might have police helicopters to help with car chases... but most places like Vancouver does NOT.

Aren't most or all of those chases you see in World's Wildest Police Chases only in America? I've never heard of or seen a police chase that has occured in Vancouver. I could be wrong.

[Major153]

What about that 300zx thread. Holly and Dustin followed a swerving, reckless driver. After phoning the police and giving the trucks info, they should have stopped following right? But they didn't. Should they be charged?

What about the guy who witnessed 2 guys robbing a car. He called police, the operator told him not to pursuit them. What did he do? He followed them. Should he be charged?

In both cases if they were driving at an excessive speed or not I don't think they should be charged, unless they caused an accident or something. I know the end does not justify the mean. But when people witness something like this, they don't just give what information they know and call it a day. They want to be there till the end. Put yourself in anyone of these 3 situations. Some guy steals a car. You call the police and you tell them the license plate number, make, model, and direction they are headed. Now do you just not do anything else? I would say most people would at least try and follow them. If they were driving at 120km/h and getting away, would you follow them at 60km/h? I doubt it. They would be long gone and you should have just listened to the operator and not pursued. I'm sure you would try and keep them in your view.

It might not make complete sense, but I'm tired. I also still have work to finish. All in all, this is a tricky situation. And everyone has their own opinion. Do I need a flame suit for this one?

Ok - I agree that this is a controversial issue, but let me address your points.

It's one thing to "follow" someone, such as a reckless driver, because he is going to drive recklessly regardless. It is a COMPLETELY different issue, when you are "chasing" someone who is trying to flee. By chasing him, you are encouraging the guy to speed (170km/h). You are putting EVERYONE on the road in danger.

By the time, they "cause an accident or something" - it will be too late, someone could he hurt or worse. By chasing the dude, they might be cause the guy to panic and therefore take unnecessary risks to get away.

Any yes, I would stop the pursuit if I've already reported it to the police - the guy is going 170km/h. I'm not going to chase the guy in high pursuit and put myself, my passengers, the victim (who was hysterical), and everyone else on the road in danger.

he could have merely followed rather than engage in hi speed persuit. him chasing the guy could have caused the criminal to try that much harder to flee and cause a huge accident.

^ +1
couldn't have said it better myself

[bengy]

Spezza's brother wasn't driving the Porsche. OP fail!
Would this have made the news if Jason's Spezza's brother wasn't involved?? Probably not.
Anyway, good for them, put the car to some good use.

[Eff-1]

Spezza's brother wasn't driving the Porsche. OP fail!


I didn't say he was driving. I just said he was chasing the guy. The other guy was driving.

And the real reason why I posted this is because I just thought it was a case of the guy showing off the fact he drives a porsche. Nothing to do with Spezza's brother.

[orgasm_donor]

I don't see why they didn't just catch up, copy the plate number then call it in to Police. Thats the sensible thing to do even if the 'heat of the moment' would tell us otherwise.

[hk20000]

It's Porsche (por-shea) not posh you dumb ass blonde reporter.

[CanadaGoose]

Speeds of up to 170km/h??

LOL who gives a flying fuck if he was speeding. The fact is he got a sexual predator put away.

Why chastise the good guys... sure they're far from perfect, but you can't exactly practice for something like this. All you can do is react and do what's right

[Timpo]

here are some facts...

1. it was a happy ending
2. these guys weren't street racing
3. they were trying to save a girl who was screaming for help
4. it's not that they didn't obey to 911 operator
5. didn't cause accidents (lucky or not)
6. without those guys, there is no guarantee that police could have caught him before he was going to murder the girl or something.

I would say NOT guilty.

You guys are biased just because the guy was driving a Porsche 911 Turbo.

What if he was driving a 4 door family car like Camry, calling police and giving them information where they were, their license plates, etc? And trying to save the girl?

[Manic!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lZ5qeaqF-4&feature=player_embedded

[TOS'd]

here are some facts...

1. it was a happy ending
2. these guys weren't street racing
3. they were trying to save a girl who was screaming for help
4. it's not that they didn't obey to 911 operator
5. didn't cause accidents (lucky or not)
6. without those guys, there is no guarantee that police could have caught him before he was going to murder the girl or something.

I would say NOT guilty.

You guys are biased just because the guy was driving a Porsche 911 Turbo.

What if he was driving a 4 door family car like Camry, calling police and giving them information where they were, their license plates, etc? And trying to save the girl?
exactly.

Ok - I agree that this is a controversial issue, but let me address your points.

It's one thing to "follow" someone, such as a reckless driver, because he is going to drive recklessly regardless. It is a COMPLETELY different issue, when you are "chasing" someone who is trying to flee. By chasing him, you are encouraging the guy to speed (170km/h). You are putting EVERYONE on the road in danger.

By the time, they "cause an accident or something" - it will be too late, someone could he hurt or worse. By chasing the dude, they might be cause the guy to panic and therefore take unnecessary risks to get away.

Any yes, I would stop the pursuit if I've already reported it to the police - the guy is going 170km/h. I'm not going to chase the guy in high pursuit and put myself, my passengers, the victim (who was hysterical), and everyone else on the road in danger.

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oh sorry, i was playing cs while i wrote that. and i did say it might not make sense.