[chileanwinehous]

Im new to the whole raw foods scene. Im not 100% commited yet but just trying to improve what goes into my body. I started juicing carrots and apples everyday and stopped my daily intake of 1-2 glasses of wine. I feel alot better after only 1 week of juicing and eating raw veggies. Is anyone on this forum juicing their vegitables?

Where can I find BC grown organic produce? im looking for a market near New Westminster.

thanks!

[SkinnyPupp]

You aren't getting nearly enough nutrition from uncooked food, especially vegetables. I hope you get over this silly fad soon, it could have long-term negative effects on your health.

Unless you're just talking about juicing, in which case, it's a good thing to add to a normal diet.

[achiam]

You aren't getting nearly enough nutrition from uncooked food, especially vegetables. I hope you get over this silly fad soon, it could have long-term negative effects on your health.

Unless you're just talking about juicing, in which case, it's a good thing to add to a normal diet.

How does eating only raw vegetables cause a nutrient insufficiency as opposed to eating cooked vegetables?

I use my veggie juice blender daily first thing in the morning - total nutrient absorption is higher than eating the veggie because the molecules are in liquid form and do not require further physical breakdown. As well, consumption in the morning with an empty stomach means that no nutrients are absorbed/trapped into the fiber of the veggies. These two points are what allows more nutrients to be absorbed as opposed to normal consumption.

[willystyle]

What's a good juicer on the market?

[achiam]

Breville makes some really nice ones. Don't cheap out by getting a crappy one - it will extract less juice.

[SkinnyPupp]

How does eating only raw vegetables cause a nutrient insufficiency as opposed to eating cooked vegetables?

I use my veggie juice blender daily first thing in the morning - total nutrient absorption is higher than eating the veggie because the molecules are in liquid form and do not require further physical breakdown. As well, consumption in the morning with an empty stomach means that no nutrients are absorbed/trapped into the fiber of the veggies. These two points are what allows more nutrients to be absorbed as opposed to normal consumption.
Like I said, juicing is fine. But if you only eat raw vegetables, you are not getting nearly all the nutrients from them. Veggies must be cooked first. It's a whacky alternative myth to think otherwise.

[SumAznGuy]

OP, just remember BC grown organic veggies are only available as long as the weather stays nice. Most veggies are only going to be around for another short time as most farmers don't plant so late in the year as usually the weather is crappy and is not good for farming.

Which part of New West are you in? Most of the larger stores should carry some of the more common organic items.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also, the idea that organic produce is better for you in any way is another myth.

[hal0g0dv2]

Also, the idea that organic produce is better for you in any way is another myth.

:werd:

[achiam]

Like I said, juicing is fine. But if you only eat raw vegetables, you are not getting nearly all the nutrients from them. Veggies must be cooked first. It's a whacky alternative myth to think otherwise.

Can you explain how? I don't understand the logic behind your statement. I have also asked 2 other friends who are doctors and they can't think of why. I'm actually a pharmacist and also don't understand how your statement holds up. I only express curiosity because I understand exactly how the digestive system works and the process of molecular absorption.

[SkinnyPupp]

Leads to osteoporosis (bone loss) quite quickly, and in the long run you'll have low IGF-1 levels (increased risk of cancer - a real risk, not the fake risk people talk about when they bring up "red meat"). And of course there are all the other dangers of not eating a proper diet with a good amount of fat (cholesterol issues, arterial inflammation, etc)

[achiam]

Leads to osteoporosis (bone loss) quite quickly, and in the long run you'll have low IGF-1 levels (increased risk of cancer - a real risk, not the fake risk people talk about when they bring up "red meat"). And of course there are all the other dangers of not eating a proper diet with a good amount of fat (cholesterol issues, arterial inflammation, etc)

Increased bone loss by osteoclasts in the bone formation/loss cycle is caused by decreased Estrogen (menopause in females), lack of Calcium/Vitamin D (unrelated to veggies), smoking (damaged/weakened blood circulation to the spongy bone), and high alcohol consumption (high correlation to reduction in Bone Mass Density and therefore accelerated bone loss).

Other secondary sources of osteoporosis include:

Hyperthyroidism, which yields excess Parathyroid hormone causing excess Calcitriol which causes TOO much bone/Ca absorption (hypercalcemia)

and

Hypothyroidism, which is insufficient Calcitonin which inhibits osteoclasts = again also excess bone resorption.

Nothing from eating "cooked" veggies tells me any benefit in the control points of Osteoporosis. In addition, osteoporosis affects only 2 men per 100 women, due to female menopause.

Can you elaborate your point? I'm not doubting you and I always keep an open mind, but I'd like to be clear on my facts when patients and friends ask me for advice.

As well, IGF-1 is naturally produced by the body for natural growth control - highest when children are in their growing years. If anything, it is one of the main factors in an apoptosis cycle which kills cells. How could this be related to Cancer? Please elaborate.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not doing your research for you, go do it yourself. If you really have an open mind, you'll find the info you seek :)

[achiam]

I'm not doing your research for you, go do it yourself. If you really have an open mind, you'll find the info you seek :)

You're not backing up your post. I and two physician friends can't make anything of your posted info, and your statement regarding cancer is fundamentally flawed.

If you have a solid understanding of this topic it would be very easy to share your knowledge through 2 or 3 sentences. If you have simply heard this through hearsay, and don't know what you're talking about, please say so and do not mislead others on a public forum.

[bcedhk]

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[trollguy]

bump for a reply. i want to know the truf

[SumAznGuy]

He's posted in other threads but appears to avoid replying to this thread.

Maybe he is Hyde?

[SkinnyPupp]

You're not backing up your post. I and two physician friends can't make anything of your posted info, and your statement regarding cancer is fundamentally flawed.

If you have a solid understanding of this topic it would be very easy to share your knowledge through 2 or 3 sentences. If you have simply heard this through hearsay, and don't know what you're talking about, please say so and do not mislead others on a public forum.
Just because I don't feel like going around and finding all the studies (they are out there) for your lazy ass, doesn't mean I am wrong. No, I am not "backing up my post". If you don't want to believe me, you won't believe me. That is fine. Go on your raw-food diet and die of osteoporosis later, I don't care.

Or, you can take what I have shared, do some research, and live a long, healthy life.

[achiam]

Just because I don't feel like going around and finding all the studies (they are out there) for your lazy ass, doesn't mean I am wrong. No, I am not "backing up my post". If you don't want to believe me, you won't believe me. That is fine. Go on your raw-food diet and die of osteoporosis later, I don't care.

Or, you can take what I have shared, do some research, and live a long, healthy life.

Reply FAIL.

[SkinnyPupp]

Reply FAIL.
Nice try :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

5 seconds of google brought up this (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/165/6/684) study.

That's all the time I am wasting on you. Do the rest yourself. And don't waste your time on all the "alternative health" bullshit sites that are out there.

www.google.com

And now it's your turn - how about you show me some human studies that show organic produce being healthier in any way than normal produce.

[achiam]

5 seconds of google brought up this (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/165/6/684) study.

That's all the time I am wasting on you. Do the rest yourself. And don't waste your time on all the "alternative health" bullshit sites that are out there.

www.google.com

And now it's your turn - how about you show me some human studies that show organic produce being healthier in any way than normal produce.

Actually my only question to you was how eating only raw veggies caused osteoporosis, as in the 2nd or 3rd post of yours up top. I never mentioned organic anything. As well, that study examines only vegetarians and its sample size of 18 subjects casts serious doubt for data extrapolation onto the general population. I will read into this though.

[SkinnyPupp]

that study examines only vegetarians and its sample size of 18 subjects casts serious doubt for data extrapolation onto the general population.
That's what 5 seconds of Google gets you ;)
I will read into this though.
That's all I ever wanted anyone to do.

[SumAznGuy]

And now it's your turn - how about you show me some human studies that show organic produce being healthier in any way than normal produce.

I wonder about this too, but unfortunately my customers swear by it, so it would be bad business for me to argue with them.

But to them, eating conventional produce is as bad as feeding them poison. To them, they feel that the herbicides/pesticides that are being used can/will also cause cancer.

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's another (http://www.springerlink.com/content/p132u36676274hnx?p=30f3c7c16d634a268ca34f698622352 e&pi=0) study I just came across

"...elderly women on a vegetarian diet seem to be at higher risk of osteoporosis development than nonvegetarian women. "

[achiam]

^the studies and some others I skimmed pointed to vegetarians having lower bone density, but other studies also pointed out that lower density could be due to the fact that they are of slimmer builds (remember that bone is continually broken down and reformed in a cycle which tailors an individual's weight and pressure needs).
As well, it should be noted that the studies deal with vegetarians, while this thread was of juicing concerns. Using a veggie juicer is not exclusive of eating meat!

[SkinnyPupp]

I know it's not. I'm glad the OP is not considering becoming a vegetarian. I just pointed out that there is no reason to

a) Go out of your way to eat raw food
b) Go out of your way to eat organic produce

At the very best, those two things won't do anything for you.

At the worst, raw food isn't as digestible for our guts (which have evolved to be smaller over millions of years of eating meat and cooked food) and organic food will waste a lot of money.

Actually the implications of the world going "full organic" are much worse than that for the earth, but that could be saved for another thread ;)

[LiquidTurbo]

Thought I'd bump this thread up. I just bought a nice juicer for myself after making some healthy juice at my friends place.

So far, all I know how to make (and it tastes damn good) is:

-Carrots (Vitamin A, Beta Carotene)
-Apple (sweetens up)
-Beets (Anthocyanin)
-Parsley,
-Celery (little bit)
-Some ginger
-Lemon


Anyone have any good recipes to share?

[SkinnyPupp]

I usually just grab whatever is around. Red cabbage is always good. Dragon fruit and star fruit are favourites, when combined with others.