[trancehead]

I've been back consistently to the gym again for about 2.5 months now and am seeing a slight plateau in my lifts. So i figure now would be a good time to try Creatine. I've never tried it but have just started looking into it.

So far what looks the most appealing to me is Axis Labs Creatine Creatine Ethyl Ester...has some promising reviews


1. Any input as to what other brands I can try? Reasons as well

2. Cheapest place to get them? (off the top of my head is reflex, popeyes, GNC...but let me know if theres any other stores with good deals in Vancouver)

TIA

[SkinnyPupp]

1) Forget about all these whacky forms of creatine. Get a 100% pure monohydrate.

2) For brands, I recommend brands that I have used that a) are very fine and mix well b) don't clump up easily c) have a noticeable effect. The best brands I have tried are Prolabs and Biotest.

As for where to get them, someone else could better answer that.

Read this (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supp lements/catching_up_on_creatine).

[trancehead]

1) Forget about all these whacky forms of creatine. Get a 100% pure monohydrate.

2) For brands, I recommend brands that I have used that a) are very fine and mix well b) don't clump up easily c) have a noticeable effect. The best brands I have tried are Prolabs and Biotest.

As for where to get them, someone else could better answer that.

Read this (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_supp lements/catching_up_on_creatine).

Awesome article.

So far that CEE i was looking at is the only creatine in pill form...which would be super convient for me.

[SkinnyPupp]

Mono is just as convenient - throw it in your post-workout shake. If you're not taking a post-workout shake, you shouldn't even be considering creatine at this point.

[hal0g0dv2]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/999/creatinebottle.jpg

[jeffh]

im at the 2.5 months or so area myself, eating right, taking post workout and a breakfast shake for protein, why not work harder and eat more? ill do creatine at some point im sure, but after ive hit a real wall

[Nitrous5.0]

eat meat has enough creatine

[trancehead]

Mono is just as convenient - throw it in your post-workout shake. If you're not taking a post-workout shake, you shouldn't even be considering creatine at this point.
Seems like the general consensus for CEE is that its a joke...it does have some benefits but mostly for the bloaters.

Ive been taking Muscle Milk which is not really fast acting protein (as opposed to pure Whey) so i havnt been doing a post workout shake. I just finished my Muscle Milk jug so im going to switch back to ON whey for the post w/o shake. Will definitely throw the creatine in there now

im at the 2.5 months or so area myself, eating right, taking post workout and a breakfast shake for protein, why not work harder and eat more? ill do creatine at some point im sure, but after ive hit a real wall
Everyone at one point will hit a "real wall". It is an inevitability, so why not just start the creatine early? :D

eat meat has enough creatine
from an monetary/time/convenience point of view, taking creatine makes sense.

[SkinnyPupp]

You better start taking a post-workout shake. Something with easily-absorbed protein, combined with enough carbs to give a sugar spike. You do NOT want to consume fat during this period, so muscle milk it out of the question.

To start, a simple whey shake with a handful of raisins is fine.

I think "Nitrous 5.0" was just trolling.

[Richmond69er]

You better start taking a post-workout shake. Something with easily-absorbed protein, combined with enough carbs to give a sugar spike. You do NOT want to consume fat during this period, so muscle milk it out of the question.

To start, a simple whey shake with a handful of raisins is fine.

I think "Nitrous 5.0" was just trolling.


Nitrous 5.0 knows what hes talking about.
he is always the biggest guy in the gym.

[hal0g0dv2]

You better start taking a post-workout shake. Something with easily-absorbed protein, combined with enough carbs to give a sugar spike. You do NOT want to consume fat during this period, so muscle milk it out of the question.

To start, a simple whey shake with a handful of raisins is fine.

I think "Nitrous 5.0" was just trolling.

yeah i sometimes have blueberries in my whey shake after the gym

[SkinnyPupp]

Nitrous 5.0 knows what hes talking about.
he is always the biggest guy in the gym.
If he thinks it's feasible to replace supplemental creatine with MEAT, then no, he doesn't.

[RRxtar]

if you ate steak for breakfast lunch and dinner youd still only consume about 2/3rds of the creatine your body can use.

i havent started taking it yet but ive starting my research

[SkinnyPupp]

i havent started taking it yet but ive starting my research

Then maybe save the facts-posting until you are finished your research ;)

[RRxtar]

Then maybe save the facts-posting until you are finished your research ;)
did you read your own article that you posted?
"So if you weigh 200 pounds, your body can use 4 grams per day. If you get 2 grams through food and your natural ability to make some from amino acids, that means 2 grams a day from supplements should be all you need.... A daily maintenance [suplimental] dose of 3 grams or less of simple creatine monohydrate is more than enough for almost any healthy individual."

and
"Most of the creatine in the diet comes from meat (an 8-ounce steak might have a gram).... although cooking destroys most of it" from http://www.ironmagazine.com/review11.html

so if your body can use about 5 grams, and you get 2 from your regular meals, if you added a steak to breakfast and lunch (just for arguements sake, an 8oz steak and you get 50% of that 1 gram it contains) you would only be getting an extra 1 maybe 1.5 grams or creatine per day for a total of 3 to 3.5. which is between 60 and 70%. which is roughly 2/3rds.

Im on 3 hours sleep today, but can you point out the mistake in my logic? and ;) right back at ya big guy.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you want to eat 3 raw steaks a day, every single day of your life, go for it. Otherwise, take 3-5 grams of creatine a day.

Big guy.

I'm not sure how much a steak costs in Canada, but for me, 3 8oz steaks a day would be at least $15-20 CAD per day. Do that for 6 months, and you are looking at $3000 worth of raw steak.

Or you could spend $20 and take creatine. Big guy! :lol

[RRxtar]

perhaps you misinterpreted my post about the 2/3rds. i was agreeing with you saying that simply eating meat is not a replacement for suplimenting creatine.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup, probably. I'm on even less sleep than you, big guy.

But I hope the point has been made that the other big guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about, in regards to creatine. And I still think he was just trolling :lol

[Nitrous5.0]

listen im not trolling or anything..
im just saying for what creatine actually does u mine as well eat a steak or 2 extra cuz from my view id spend the extra 30-50 u pay for creatine on food

so skinny pup big guy u are enjoy ur creatine and ur size medium reflex shirts

[hal0g0dv2]

listen im not trolling or anything..
im just saying for what creatine actually does u mine as well eat a steak or 2 extra cuz from my view id spend the extra 30-50 u pay for creatine on food

so skinny pup big guy u are enjoy ur creatine and ur size medium reflex shirts

what so bad about a med do u get a xxl cause your a fat fuck ?

[RacePace]

we're getting offended by our shirt sizes now? really?

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not even going to attempt to comprehend that post :lol

[rickross888]

keep the test-levels down guys :haha:

[jeffh]

i wear boys small so the chixxx can see my sick abs

[Nitrous5.0]

what so bad about a med do u get a xxl cause your a fat fuck ?

i see we have 2 size mediums

i said that in response to him claiming i dont know what im talking about like anyone here does

[SkinnyPupp]

Who the hell said I wear medium anyway? :lol

[penner2k]

listen im not trolling or anything..
im just saying for what creatine actually does u mine as well eat a steak or 2 extra cuz from my view id spend the extra 30-50 u pay for creatine on food

so skinny pup big guy u are enjoy ur creatine and ur size medium reflex shirts

I dont think anyone is arguing that if you have the choice between food or taking creatine you should choose creatine. lol
I also dont think anyone that is posting on here is stupid enough to pay $30 - $50 on creatine. Hell half the times I've gotten creatine it was free when I ordered my protein or else it was like $10 for a lb or 2..

I think my favorite part in this thread is the guy talking about how because Nitrous 5.0 was the biggest person at his gym that meant he knows what he is talking about. Maybe he does.. Maybe he doesnt. Reading his posts on here I'm gonna go with option 2 though.

[E=mc²]

those of you recommending the biotest one.
It's cheap on the tmuscle site, $12.95 USD

but wtf man I have no choice but to choose between FedEx International Economy ($21) and FedEx International priority ($24).

How the hell you guys get it? No fucking way am I paying close to double the price of the product just for shipping. Man sometimes I wish I lived in the states.....free Fedex shipping damn!

I can't find it on supplementscanada or SVNcanada either.

I'm thinking of considering this:
https://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=25&pid=91#Nutrition

because I'm gonna make a big TP purchase soon of whey, waxy maize, and (maybe) creatine...
anyone have any ideas about TP's creatine mono by any chance?

[hal0g0dv2]

those of you recommending the biotest one.
It's cheap on the tmuscle site, $12.95 USD

but wtf man I have no choice but to choose between FedEx International Economy ($21) and FedEx International priority ($24).

How the hell you guys get it? No fucking way am I paying close to double the price of the product just for shipping. Man sometimes I wish I lived in the states.....free Fedex shipping damn!

I can't find it on supplementscanada or SVNcanada either.

I'm thinking of considering this:
https://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=25&pid=91#Nutrition

because I'm gonna make a big TP purchase soon of whey, waxy maize, and (maybe) creatine...
anyone have any ideas about TP's creatine mono by any chance?

o yeah fuck t nation store
http://www.supplementscanada.com/popeyes/allmax_nutrition_creatine_monohydrate,_1000_g.html

[trancehead]

those of you recommending the biotest one.
It's cheap on the tmuscle site, $12.95 USD

but wtf man I have no choice but to choose between FedEx International Economy ($21) and FedEx International priority ($24).

How the hell you guys get it? No fucking way am I paying close to double the price of the product just for shipping. Man sometimes I wish I lived in the states.....free Fedex shipping damn!

I can't find it on supplementscanada or SVNcanada either.

I'm thinking of considering this:
https://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=25&pid=91#Nutrition

because I'm gonna make a big TP purchase soon of whey, waxy maize, and (maybe) creatine...
anyone have any ideas about TP's creatine mono by any chance?

assuming thats a flat fee, maybe you should hold a group buy for it. i'd be down...im having trouble finding any places that sell Biotest Creatine

[SkinnyPupp]

Biotest creatine is no better than any other good creatine. It's not worth going out of your way that much. Prolab is a great alternative, and you should be able to buy it at any store.

[hal0g0dv2]

assuming thats a flat fee, maybe you should hold a group buy for it. i'd be down...im having trouble finding any places that sell Biotest Creatine

any creatine will do the trick dude
there is no magical stuff in this one

[taylor192]

I've been back consistently to the gym again for about 2.5 months now and am seeing a slight plateau in my lifts.

Have you changed your workout routine in those 2.5 months?

Now SkippyPupp will post articles stating that you don't have to change your routine, there's no scientific evidence, just guidelines. I'll agree, there's no compelling argument, I personally find doing the same routine gets boring and I plateau, changing it up motivates me to focus on strength building in different exercises.

Its not all about science and supplements, some of it is in your head.

Are you working forearms?

They are usually the first muscle to plateau preventing you from handling heavier weight, and one of the most overlooked muscles to exercise.

[mgarba]

Creatine gives me diarhea sometimes, I still take it, but it clears my bowels like something nasty.

[hal0g0dv2]

Have you changed your workout routine in those 2.5 months?

Now SkippyPupp will post articles stating that you don't have to change your routine, there's no scientific evidence, just guidelines. I'll agree, there's no compelling argument, I personally find doing the same routine gets boring and I plateau, changing it up motivates me to focus on strength building in different exercises.

Its not all about science and supplements, some of it is in your head.

Are you working forearms?

They are usually the first muscle to plateau preventing you from handling heavier weight, and one of the most overlooked muscles to exercise.

ding ding ding ding

[SkinnyPupp]

Have you changed your workout routine in those 2.5 months?

Now SkippyPupp will post articles stating that you don't have to change your routine, there's no scientific evidence, just guidelines.

Eat my shit you fuck. I would never post a stupid article like that. Changing your routine is extremely important.

[DragonChi]

what do you guys think of "high power" creatine monohydrate?

the one from bodybuilding.com, the site seems to endorse it, and it's pretty cheap.

[SkinnyPupp]

They endorse it because it's their brand :lol

I personally wouldn't trust it. Every time I try cheap creatine, it sucks. Either bad gas or diarrhoea, or it clumps up right away and becomes unusable.

[DragonChi]

I'll go with that prolab if you say it's good.

Any other brands would be helpful too. thanks in advance

[trancehead]

any creatine will do the trick dude
there is no magical stuff in this one

Well im obviously not going to gain 20 pounds instantaneously from a certain label. The price isn't bad.

Have you changed your workout routine in those 2.5 months?

Now SkippyPupp will post articles stating that you don't have to change your routine, there's no scientific evidence, just guidelines. I'll agree, there's no compelling argument, I personally find doing the same routine gets boring and I plateau, changing it up motivates me to focus on strength building in different exercises.

Its not all about science and supplements, some of it is in your head.

Are you working forearms?

They are usually the first muscle to plateau preventing you from handling heavier weight, and one of the most overlooked muscles to exercise.
Some good points there. But yes changing routines is good mentally and in a sense that it will stop your muscles from adapting to the exercise

Yes and its not all about the science and supps, but you cant argue against the fact that they will push you further along

Forearms. Yes. I will need to do more than just jerkoff as i do notice it being the weakest link at times

Eat my shit you fuck. I would never post a stupid article like that. Changing your routine is extremely important.

:haha:
change is good

[E=mc²]

Forearms. Yes. I will need to do more than just jerkoff



Damn I hear ya

[azndvdiz]

grab creatine monohydate in creapure form ;)

[CivicTypeRice]

Can creatine make you fat?

[hal0g0dv2]

Can creatine make you fat?

no, not the kinds we have suggested

[blkgsr]

i love how creatine is seen as being for muscle heads....i guess that true enough but creatine is nothing

start on some AAS and then see what happens

[taylor192]

Eat my shit you fuck. I would never post a stupid article like that. Changing your routine is extremely important.

LOL I wasn't expecting that response.

I've read a bunch of articles and I'm on the fence. Marathon runners get better by simply running more, ie doing more of the same without change. Having run a marathon I agree, sprints and hills didn't make as much of a difference as just getting out there and running longer distances more often.

I personally like the idea of changing it routines, whether science supports it or not, its boring to do the same thing over and over.

[taylor192]

Yes and its not all about the science and supps, but you cant argue against the fact that they will push you further along
Correct. Although we can argue how much they'll push you along. :D

I'll bet you $5 that stronger forearms will make more of a difference than any supplement.

Forearms. Yes. I will need to do more than just jerkoff as i do notice it being the weakest link at times
I moved up huge in chest press after I started working forearms. One of the football players at my university suggested it and he was bang on. He had 3 simple exercises:

Tricep pull downs. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Bicep curls. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Standing hold with dumbbells. Like should shrugs, yet just standing holding the weight at your side until failure.

The reason for the reserve grip and thumb on same side is to put all the emphasis on the grip, no cheating using your thumb or palm as leverage. I like to do these exercises quickly and super set them.

[jeffh]

Correct. Although we can argue how much they'll push you along. :D


Standing hold with dumbbells. Like should shrugs, yet just standing holding the weight at your side until failure.



i like to walk laps around the gym when i do these, the mild jolt from each step owns you

[DC5-S]

go to homedepot and make you can make a wrist roller for 5 bucks.. this thing gives your forearms an insane pump.

[hal0g0dv2]

Correct. Although we can argue how much they'll push you along. :D

I'll bet you $5 that stronger forearms will make more of a difference than any supplement.


I moved up huge in chest press after I started working forearms. One of the football players at my university suggested it and he was bang on. He had 3 simple exercises:

Tricep pull downs. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Bicep curls. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Standing hold with dumbbells. Like should shrugs, yet just standing holding the weight at your side until failure.


The reason for the reserve grip and thumb on same side is to put all the emphasis on the grip, no cheating using your thumb or palm as leverage. I like to do these exercises quickly and super set them.
those are really good ones i use those
also preacher with reverse grip .......

[penner2k]

i love how creatine is seen as being for muscle heads....i guess that true enough but creatine is nothing

start on some AAS and then see what happens

Actually forearms are usually the one thing that holds AAS users from reaching full potential.. You can actually usually tell which guys started on roids too early cuz they have decent size everywhere BUT their forearms and their calfs..

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL I wasn't expecting that response.

I've read a bunch of articles and I'm on the fence. Marathon runners get better by simply running more, ie doing more of the same without change. Having run a marathon I agree, sprints and hills didn't make as much of a difference as just getting out there and running longer distances more often.

I personally like the idea of changing it routines, whether science supports it or not, its boring to do the same thing over and over.
It depends on your goals. If your goal is to run a marathon, then that is the type of training you must do. If your goal is size and strength, then you need to change things up.

Training for a marathon can not be compared to weightlifting at all. They are pretty much exact opposites of each other, in terms of athletic performance.

[hal0g0dv2]

He has the forearms of a fucking girl and you got these big arms that look ridiculous. Where's your chest, back and legs? Your arms look stupid. His forearms are probably 14". You'd have to grow some pretty good forearms to handle the weight to grow 27" arms.
" Lee Preist "

[trancehead]

Correct. Although we can argue how much they'll push you along. :D

I'll bet you $5 that stronger forearms will make more of a difference than any supplement.


I moved up huge in chest press after I started working forearms. One of the football players at my university suggested it and he was bang on. He had 3 simple exercises:

Tricep pull downs. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Bicep curls. Use reverse grip, keep your thumb on the same side as your fingers.
Standing hold with dumbbells. Like should shrugs, yet just standing holding the weight at your side until failure.

The reason for the reserve grip and thumb on same side is to put all the emphasis on the grip, no cheating using your thumb or palm as leverage. I like to do these exercises quickly and super set them.

+++++++++1

You're bang on with the hammer here. Did flat DB bench today and my forearms gave out on the third set before any other muscle. Ive always had the notion before that my forearms would naturally catchup with my other muscles so attention was never paid to them. Big mistake!! going for Popeye's forearms now:thumbsup:

I will give you the $5 only if it goes towards removing that paintjob from your C :mad::mad::D

[taylor192]

+++++++++1

You're bang on with the hammer here. Did flat DB bench today and my forearms gave out on the third set before any other muscle. Ive always had the notion before that my forearms would naturally catchup with my other muscles so attention was never paid to them. Big mistake!! going for Popeye's forearms now:thumbsup:

I will give you the $5 only if it goes towards removing that paintjob from your C :mad::mad::D
:thumbsup:

You don't need to over-work forearms, yet they should be a part of your weekly workout routine. I add those 3 exercises at the end of my bi/tri day to make a complete arm workout.

:p I'll take the $5 towards buying a Jeep Unlimited to replace the C-coupe.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

no straps deadlifts make your forearms grow.