[Delphini]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/06/toyko-2009-preview-toyota-ft-86-concept-brings-back-the-hachiro/#continued

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/ms2009_015-620op.jpg
...i wouldnt mind....
just gotta start saving those pennies

[twitchyzero]

get LF-A in production first then move on to this
we're getting ahead of ourselves

EDIT: fail on my part..it seems like they're aiming to release these late 2011..much closer than i expected

[Rikaro]

wow sick. I can't wait to see it come out.

[!Shuya80]

NICE!

[jtanner_]

That interior looks sick..

[SolidPenguin]

Cool dash. I like how the disc drive and deck is incorporated into the dash leather.

[TOS'd]

hate all those zippers.

[124Y]

nice! Interesting use of zippers!

[typ.]

Retro man ! :thumbsup:

[JHatta]

w t f

that interior sucks balls

[B-DiZzLe]

zippers? really? puke

[ChyahGT]

u either hate it or loooove it!
and im loving it.

[JSALES]

not bad looking

[orgasm_donor]

Looks pretty interesting. Doubt the production model's interior will be even close to this though. The seats look cool but very uncomfortable.

[RabidRat]

Looks pretty interesting. Doubt the production model's interior will be even close to this though. The seats look cool but very uncomfortable.

no i'm pretty sure they'll keep the zippers. =D

[!Aznboi128]

AWESOME!

I see an ABS button by the shifter!

[Euro7r]

Looks kinda cool

[asian_XL]

wtf

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/08-toyota-ft-86-concept-press.jpg

[Meowjin]

looks good, and I hope they don't pull out of f1.

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow, a new car that actually looks good! WTF happened?

[AzNightmare]

Hold your horses...


http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/603/603623/nissan-sport-concept-20050412113009733.jpg ==> http://www.tany97.com/en/images/nissanversa.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fCxICv8RP40/R7lxBF7cdrI/AAAAAAAAAJk/J5YW_h3mZms/s320/2005-Nissan-Sport-Concept-Interior-1024x768.jpg ==> http://cdn-www.greencar.com/images/small-car-comparo/2007-Nissan-Versa-Interior.jpg




And this looks like they borrowed the designs of the FT-HS concept. Still got pretty cool rims. But pretty sure it will get stripped down
in order to meet the 20,000 price tag. And to keep it light.

[thumper]

holy crap!

a RWD toyota with a boxer engine?!?... there really is a god :cry:

is subaru going to have their own version?

so... this has nothing to do with the supra replacement does it? i've gotten confused with all th vagueness coming out of toyota to remember... i wonder if there is going to be a performance hybrid version?

[thumper]

can anyone read what it says on the calipers? just curious.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/06-toyota-ft-86-concept-press.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

front looks like rx8


no way in hell production line will make the interior like that, and that is fugly

[RE-Jo]

Wow.. toyota making something interesting!
Looks good, if it really starts around 20,000 I will buy it~

[d1]

I wouldn't buy it but it'd be nice to see toyota make something interesting for once.

[shenmecar]

wtf

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/08-toyota-ft-86-concept-press.jpg

wow, look at that, um.....cd/dvd player!

[Timpo]

this is not AE86 at all...this is something completely different

240Z and 370Z, I can see the similarities, same as 1960s Mustang and the current one, but not this FT86 thing.

[Timpo]

and Nissan should bring the Silvia back.
it would have to be faster than Genesis coupe though.

[q0192837465]

yay, a new tofu car

[thumper]

i'm still looking at the pictures... it looks remarkably well finished, ie. beyond conceptual design only. i can even see wiper arms for the windshield? i hope they stay close to this design on the outside... not sure what to think about the inside though with all those zippers :confused:

[Jsunu]

Well to me its sexy and at least an attempt to bring something less boring to the market from toyota

[thumper]

there is another report here:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/toyota-ft-86-2009-10-06

it also mentions a subaru variant of this car... does anyone know what the name is? i can't find anything online :confused:

146hp 2.0L I-4... i'm a bit disappointed. i hope it's really light. or maybe an ej25T will fit :thumbsup:

[thumper]

GT5 demo video! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oOXdKcdpZ8

my monitor at work is crap... what does it say on the intake manifold? BOXER C-45?

[TOS'd]

in a way it looks like a smaller version of a r35.

[!e.lo_]

"ADVIOS" whatever that is.
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 225/40R19
the black part of the wheels appear to be cf.

[KingCrimson]

wow, look at that, um.....cd/dvd player!

Sooo cool

[jungle168]

I'll take mine in black! :D

[alex.w *//]

looks like a whale mouth

[boss604]

front = rx8
rear = accord

[hamhead]

i wish they would just start manufacturing the old AE86.

just stuff some airbags in it!

[Rikaro]

front = rx8
rear = accord

Where's the resemblance? lol

[Gt-R R34]

i like the car!

[hongy]

yay, a new tofu car

hahaha my exact thoughts

[+Kardboard+]

I'll take a two-tone Panda version. kthx.

[keifun]

I'll take a two-tone Panda version. kthx.

Don't forget the Fujiwara Tofu sticker too.


I'd rock this FT-86 too!:thumbsup:

[+Kardboard+]

Fujiwara? Screw that. REVscene TOFU-DEN sticker.

[Drift_Monkey]

not bad... i'll take it if its that cheap.

[hk20000]

from the GT5 clip the only thing 86-esque about it is the sound.

[thumper]

"ADVIOS" whatever that is.
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 225/40R19
the black part of the wheels appear to be cf.

thanks. used that to search online and someone on another board said that the brand is this:

http://www.advics.co.jp/eng/index.html


they seem well established... but i've never heard of them before :confused:

[toyota86]

as much as i love the original ae86. if it looks like this and under performs like that, even if it is cheap, im going to have to pass. it bears no resemblance to the original and just looks like a photoshop of different japanese sports cars on the market now. the subie version might be more interesting as i've read that they will have an sti version.

[twitchyzero]

i doubt this will be $20k in canada..more like $27-29k

[Simply_Corrupt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oOXdKcdpZ8

GT concept style

[thumper]

pics from the tokyo auto show (pics originally from CARNIFTY):

http://ft-86.com/showthread.php?t=6

http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_040.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_041.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_043.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_020.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_033.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_032.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_026.jpg
http://car.nifty.com/cms_image/car/2/091005222864/FT-86_015.jpg

[thumper]

the photochops have begun... http://ft-86.com/showthread.php?t=11

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll240/MrSociable/FT-86/117993152.jpg

rawr? :lol

http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/metapolis_2.jpg

[thumper]

as much as i love the original ae86. if it looks like this and under performs like that, even if it is cheap, im going to have to pass. it bears no resemblance to the original and just looks like a photoshop of different japanese sports cars on the market now. the subie version might be more interesting as i've read that they will have an sti version.

i've been trolling all day and this is what little i could find of the subaru version... a sketchy sketch:

http://www.7tune.com/newtune/Peter/toyota_subaru_compact_fr_sports_car/toyota_subaru_fr_sports_car.jpghttp://www.7tune.com/newtune/Peter/toyota_subaru_compact_fr_sports_car/toyota_subaru_fr_sports_car2.jpg

[hamhead]

article said the car will cost 20000+ EUROS not CAD

[candy_jai]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z107/austinyee/pandaFT.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z107/austinyee/pandaFT_te37.jpg

:D

[too_slow]

Wow.. the orange one screams Genesis coupe..

I hope they won't put in the 2.4 camry engine in it like they did with the tC :(

[1990TSI]

kinda fugly, and it sounds like it will be over priced and under powered.

it really will have to be cheaper and faster than a Gen coupe. It'll have to come out before nissan brings out any 'new silvia' that I hope they'll bring out.

should be interesting to see what they do to the headlights and interior, to get people to even consider buying this.

[Nightwalker]

Looks sorta like a baby GTR

[.Renn.Sport]

Wow.. the orange one screams Genesis coupe..

I hope they won't put in the 2.4 camry engine in it like they did with the tC :(

it will come with a Subaru boxer engine

[ChyahGT]

i want i want i want....!

[Meowjin]

as much as i love the original ae86. if it looks like this and under performs like that, even if it is cheap, im going to have to pass. it bears no resemblance to the original and just looks like a photoshop of different japanese sports cars on the market now. the subie version might be more interesting as i've read that they will have an sti version.

corolla.

[elkayem]

Apparently, it's gonna have an EJ25 in it. Boxer rumble on a Toyota....mmm, not feeling it. Fuck.

[thumper]

Apparently, it's gonna have an EJ25 in it. Boxer rumble on a Toyota....mmm, not feeling it. Fuck.

really? just wondering if you have anything online to back this up because everywhere i've been reading says it's only a 2.0L so i assumed it was going to be an ej20 variant of some sort.... but i've also read other posts about it being supercharged... can a boxer engine be supercharged? :confused:

[thumper]

another youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iGSfc9Erw&feature=player_embedded

someone translated a bit of it: this is a world premiere for this concept, the development code 086a comes from sharing the same lightweight sports concept as the levin/trueno, suspension is front struts rear double wishbone, tire size is 225/40/19, 4 pot front and 2 pot rear by advics, engine is a flat 4 from subaru.. that's all she says.

[twitchyzero]

the cr-z is looking pretty good too

[+Kardboard+]

The GT5 demo vid was taken down, but here it is again in HQ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87oc5SiEHDE&annotation_id=annotation_297045&feature=iv

Man, I love the sound of that (bahahah 4AGE!) engine, and that last part where the AE86 was chasing it was very, very cool. :D

Then again, this is more or less the Celica's replacement, so it's the FT86 Celica Trueno now? hahaha :lol

[BEEB]

Time to save up for a new STi engine for the swap ! The design is super car territory !!

[Y2K_o__o]

in a way it looks like a smaller version of a r35.

I agree too!!!
when I first look at it, I thought that was a R35~~lol

[tofu1413]

why is this happening....?!??!


*runs away crying*

[fa1civic]

front really reminds me of a g37, i cant wait for this be in prod for canadian markets!

[ctsport]

I don't like the exterior but the interior looks amazing! The zippers are very cool!

[thumper]

more speculation about the engine:

http://www.ft-86.com/showthread.php?t=246

D-4S is basically an advanced variant of Toyota’s D-4 direct injection system. You might have noticed D-4D badging on local Toyota Hilux pickups – that’s their diesel direct injection. D-4 is basically gasoline

direct injection, and D-4S stands for D-4 Superior. D-4S combines both direct injection and conventional port injection for each cylinder which means two injectors per cylinder, or eight injectors if the engine is a 4-cylinder boxer like the FT-86 production car will have. The system will pick between the two types of injectors according to needs.


http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6474/toyotaftc45boxer.jpg

[hk20000]

nice so it has the technology employed on the IS350 (2 injectors/cyinder)

[thumper]

latest sketch/rumors of the subaru version:

http://i34.tinypic.com/15xu3gm.jpg

Although the highly anticipated FT-86 is going to be displayed by Toyota, development of the Subaru version is also well under way. Expect to see even more specs in the next 2 years!

The 086A sports car is being jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru, for some reason, it will not be displayed in the Subaru booth. Because the mechanical components including the engine and chassis were created by Subaru and the design by Toyota, Toyota was allowed to display the design concept only with Subaru's permission.

However, taking a deeper look reveals that the reality isn't so simple. Toyota actually has a significant influence in the mechanical components of this car as well. First, let's take a look at the engine. The car is equipped with the next generation EJ20, which, as mentioned before, uses the same direct port injection engine as the Toyota's D4-S. In addition, it is equipped with 6 speed transmission manufactured by Aisin.

On the other hand, Subaru uses this car as a base and improves its sportiness image and is working on creating a "STI version" on their own.
There are rumors that it might use a turbo, but taking factors such as the strength of the drivetrain are taken into consideration. Chances are that it will use the next generation 2.5L EJ25 instead. The maximum horsepower will be roughly 240HP-250HP compared to the normal 200HP.

The settings around the foot? will attempt to keep the basic characteristics of the car, but with additional tuning to increase the amount of (something)G generated. Of course, the tread and tire size will increase, and the fender shape will be changed accordingly as well.

The car will most likely be revealed at the next Tokyo Motor Show in 2011, or the Tokyo Auto Salon in 2012 just prior to its release. What kind of performance can we expect from this wide-tread, wide and low STI version? Our expectations are high!

The STI version will be equipped with a wide fender, a specialized front bumper and rear spoiler. Will it also succeed in the world of motor sports?

Source:Holiday Auto Magazine via FT-86.com
Images: Holiday Auto Magazine
Translation by: Nami

[BEEB]

If any one remember, in 2004/2005 Subaru STi division created a highly tuned 2.0 NA engine on a boxer engine that makes about 200 hp, but that engine missed lots of spot lights due to the highly regarded 2.5L STi engine that makes 300 hp. I believe that same engine was somehow developed into the NA engine that's gonna go into this 86 replacement car.
If someone dig into it more, you'll see the car being painted yellow with Rally stickers too.

[ZenZa]

maybe Takumi will upgrade to this

[+Kardboard+]

Bunta drives an STi, Takumi a Trueno....Initial D foretold the coming of this car lol :lol

[FS1992EG]

What's the point of Toyota hyping the "New AE86" if there not going to release it in North America and Europe?

[thumper]

wah! this was supposed to be an early prototype:

http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/086a_2.jpg

[+Kardboard+]

Honey, I Shrunk the Trueno? :lol

[hk20000]

hahhahaa if they use the crown Athelete as the simulated weight of the FT86 then no thanks. On the other hand the Crown Athlete looks really sporty shortened.

That prototype could have been the drivetrain prototype for the LF-A for all I know.

[yellowpower]

Someone ps this with a cf hood and rays =) please. I only use paint haha

[you!]

the headlights look mean as hell ..nice!

[thumper]

nurburgring video of test mule:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYJjE7Xrf4&feature=player_embedded

[hk20000]

that test car looks like a Subaru WRX sedan rear welded onto a Lexus IS front LOL.

[hotong]

reminds me of the hyundai gennesis

[thumper]

that test car looks like a Subaru WRX sedan rear welded onto a Lexus IS front LOL.

it's possible... isn't that a blue IS-F running in front?

[!Aznboi128]

doesn't look too powerful

[thumper]

doesn't look too powerful

well they've been saying it's only 140hp-ish so... not exactly an LF-A here.

[!Aznboi128]

well they've been saying it's only 140hp-ish so... not exactly an LF-A here.
yea... but around that carousel on the ring ... it didn't even pull out with much might ...

guess I just wanted a little more

[thumper]

yea... but around that carousel on the ring ... it didn't even pull out with much might ...

guess I just wanted a little more

yeah i hear you. it dosen't seem to have a very good turn-in... the driver seems to saw the wheel abruptly to make it turn?

maybe it will get better when it comes out of test mule stage...

[RabidRat]

i wonder how a 140hp econo-sports car would sell. i don't think it makes sense to anyone but the most hardcore of enthusiasts, being that only they could overlook the lack of power (30hp less than a Mazda3 or a Lancer..) and focus on the rest of the positives.

also, this car would have to be incredibly cheap to appeal to the masses. at 140hp, it could only be marketed as an entry-as-hell budget sports car. and the thing with really cheap cars is that the margins are low and you have to sell a shit ton of them to make any money. can you really imagine this thing selling in thousands by the day?

[thumper]

it's all speculation at this point. maybe the 140hp number was meant ot mislead and it may actually make much more power. or maybe it dosen't matter at all... for example look at how well the scion tc sold when it first came out.

[!Aznboi128]

That's true the tc was a sucess for a car with little hp, but I'm sure there's gonna be a trd supercharger like always bumping power to 200hp
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[impactX]

May be they will fit the NA version EJ25 in there... ~160hp.

[thumper]

That's true the tc was a sucess for a car with little hp, but I'm sure there's gonna be a trd supercharger like always bumping power to 200hp
Posted via RS Mobile

i don't see that many supercharged subarus out there... is there something about the engine that dosen't lend itself to being 'charged?

[J-Chow]

From what I hear, supercharging a stock NA 2.5l boxer engine isn't too reliable. You'd need to upgrade all the internals and such to keep it maintained. Now if you were talking about Subaru making their own supercharged boxer engine, that's a whole different story :)

Just like turboing an NA boxer engine, the maximum PSI you could possibly run is around 8psi on stock internals without blowing your engine. That, and it also cuts the lifespan of the engine by half. But this is what i've read from Nasioc, not from experience :P

[thumper]

just curious but what was the last turbocharged toyota built (not diesel)? mr2 and supra?

[too_slow]

Toyota Caldina? I think it had a 2.4 turbo engine, or it might have been a 3SGTE thing.. not sure..

[J-Chow]

I believe the last turbocharged toyota, was the 2007 Toyota Caldina, which is unavailable over here.

[hk20000]

The Yaris in Japan is still offered in Turbo trim I think. If the Vitz turbo lived on anyway.

Found it: http://toyota.jp/customize/vitz/trdturbom/index.html

[+Kardboard+]

I believe the last turbocharged toyota, was the 2007 Toyota Caldina, which is unavailable over here.

Toyota Caldina? I think it had a 2.4 turbo engine, or it might have been a 3SGTE thing.. not sure..
The Caldina GT-Four, specifically. Mmmm.... GT-Four.... :)

[hk20000]

hmmm AWD.

[thumper]

well, here is more speculation on the subaru variant:


Confirmed: Bigger, Badder Subaru “216A” : Your online JDM magazine (http://www.7tune.com/confirmed-bigger-badder-subaru-216a/)

Just as soon as the Toyota FT-86 was born and came to this world at the Tokyo Motor show, it’s bigger, badder twin brother is about to hit the stage.
http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/subaru_216A_587_1.jpg

It’s well known that Subaru and Toyota have been in the same bed developing the FT-86 but one question that remains on everyone’s lips is how, if they are developing the same car, can the two be different? Well it’s emerged that Subaru has been busy waving their wand over the 086A/FT-86 and is going to bring some very Subaru style magic to the table.

http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/subaru_216A_587_2.jpg



The biggest news to come out of all this is that rumors of the car being turbo and all wheel drive are now in fact confirmed. However staff close to the Subaru development side of the project have revealed is that the first thing to differ will be the codes which the cars will be known by. While the version of the FT-86 to go on sale in Japan will be known by the code 086A and in the US and Europe as the 087A and 088A respectively, the Fuji Heavy Industries version will be branded as the 216A. This is to “clearly distinguish between the Toyota and Subaru version of the car”. Things get juicier from there though with the confirmation of what many have been suspecting all along. The car will be driven by a 2.0 liter turbo charged powerplant feeding power to all four wheels. This will either come in the flavor of a revised, lower power but more efficient 250ps and 34.0kg/m EJ20 from the Impreza 2.0 GT or the EJ20 Turbo from the current Impreza WRX STi pumping out 308ps and 43.0kg/m of torque. Our guess is the latter may well be used for an STi version of the car down the track. No pun intended.


http://www.7tune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/subaru_216A_587_3.jpg
Body wise, the the Subaru version will be bigger and badder but at the same time tipping the scales to the tune of around 100kg more than the 086A. This seems to be a reasonable weight gain seeing that 4WD has been added and the dimensions have been increased in the region of 20mm all around. Total height and width will go from 1260mm to 1280mm and 1760 to 1780mm respectively. Wheelbase and total lengths have also been extended, with overall length reaching 4180mm and the wheelbase gaining 30 to 50mm, up to around 2600~mm from 2570mm. This is almost spot on to the current Impreza’s 2620mm so the possibility of them sharing parts or being very similar is undoubtedly high. The final distinguishing factor between the two? Well that will be the price. The increased performance, all wheel drive and pumped body will be adding around half a million yen to the tag bringing the car to around 3 million yen come 2011. This is not only to cover the extras over the Toyota but also to distinguish itself from the FT-86 version.

Words: Peter Horniak
Images: BestCar

[68style]

Despite being a Toyota guy, I'm more interested in the Subaru version just because of the AWD and turbo..... I am worried thought because man... maybe it's just me, but Subaru's colours for their cars are freaking terrible... like the STI... 3 years now all you can get is 2 grays a black a white a red and that played out rally blue?! I mean switch it up a little, none of the colours is "interesting" at all... need to follow Audi's model and get some pearl navy blues and things like that in there........

[+Kardboard+]

It's the lovechild of an Accord and a Genesis Coupé...

....or some miscellaneous Chinese design. :haha:

[death_blossom]

What's the point of Toyota hyping the "New AE86" if there not going to release it in North America and Europe?

who says we aren't? last year, some project people contacted the owner of Club4AG (an american board) to get input on what the community wanted on the 086a.

[RabidRat]

ok i'll be the first to say it - this subie is going to be my next car lol

[hk20000]

Subaru is going to say "it's the reborn of SVX!"

[68style]

^
Needs rainproof half windows

[boogabooga]

front = rx8
rear = accord

wtf?:confused:

[RabidRat]

^
Needs rainproof half windows

haha i never got those. what was the point?

[thumper]

some more detail on the subaru version from http://www.insideline.com/subaru/toyobaru-new-details-on-subarus-version-of-the-toyota-ft-86.html

Toyobaru: New Details on Subaru's Version of the Toyota FT-86

Published Nov 17, 2009

TOKYO — It is already common knowledge that the powertrain and chassis of the Toyota FT-86 showcar, the joint Toyota-Subaru project, was built by Subaru, but no word has officially been released about the automakers' final plans for this collaboration. And not a word has been said about Subaru's intention for this setup.

Inside Line has learned that there will be a Subaru variant of this car coming sometime in 2011. It will share the Toyota FT-86's naturally aspirated 2.0-liter flat-4, but we hear that output will be raised to approximately 250 horsepower (Toyota's car is rumored to be around 200). Subaru's version will feature all-wheel drive, so more power will be necessary to carry the added weight. Both cars will be outfitted with a six-speed manual gearbox.

IL has also learned that Subaru's car will be slightly larger than the Toyota thanks to a stretched platform.

Because of its larger size, extra power and all-wheel drive, expect the Subaru to come in around $30,000, about $5,000 more than the Toyota. This keeps the two coupes from directly competing with each other, and from potentially stealing sales from the Subaru Impreza WRX.

Inside Line says: Is it any surprise that Subaru is looking to add all-wheel drive and a little extra power to the FT-86? The real question is: will it be a better sport coupe? — Mak Tokuyama, Correspondent

[shenmecar]

I want to see the STi version of the Subaru variant!

[!e.lo_]

i watched the video on gt5, looks pretty good! sound.. well that can be taken care of.
i want one in octane blue pearl or frozen grey metallic =]

[P5-stock]

its not a true 86 without its anime counterpart

[optiblue]

I like it!