[Harvey Specter]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091010/capt.3728977169824fadaf26ae4a630d85fe.mexico_apoca lypse_2012_gua301.jpg?x=229&y=345&q=85&sig=jd2T4Ra0dnogwp8QXgO_xg--

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer – Sun Oct 11, 3:58 am ET

MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012

[AzNightmare]

I'm not even gonna read all that. I don't know of any normal person without some kind of mental disorder would have thought the world would end in year 2012.

[slammer111]

ZOMG hurry, sell your house, abandon your family, and run to Best Buy to spend your life savings. :lol :rolleyes:

People will believe the weirdest things, seriously. They need to stop watching TV.

[Jobo]

God damn Bible Codes

[turb0fr3ak]

just waiting for some fool the blame the "skytrain" pffff!

[Eastwood]

Why does everyone believe this Mayan shit anyway? If that civilization is so great how come they could only survive a couple hundred years???

[CP.AR]

They just ran out of space on the rock. geez.


damn skytrain giving everyone false perceptions

[Vansterdam]

zombies im telling you!!

[StylinRed]

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

thanks that's ALL 2012 believers should need... the tablet they're speaking of was from a massively looted and destroyed site and the tablet itself is broken it doesnt end the rest of it is just eroded not only that there are other tablets at other sites that go far into the future

[skyxx]

If the poles shift, the water in my toilet bowl will swirl the other WAY! WHOA...Awesome.

[deuel_1]

thanks that's ALL 2012 believers should need... the tablet they're speaking of was from a massively looted and destroyed site and the tablet itself is broken it doesnt end the rest of it is just eroded not only that there are other tablets at other sites that go far into the future


i always thought they just got tired after a couple of thousand years of calenders and said fuck it if anyone is living a couple of thousand years from now let them figure shit out for themselves

[CP.AR]

If the poles shift, the water in my toilet bowl will swirl the other WAY! WHOA...Awesome.

awesome. i know :haha:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I'm not even gonna read all that. I don't know of any normal person without some kind of mental disorder would have thought the world would end in year 2012.

+1

[hal0g0dv2]

that makes me fell better

[SkinnyPupp]

I remember there was a fucking idiot here at Revscene who kept posting new threads about this bullshit. Is he still around, or did he off himself a couple years early?

[quasi]

I remember there was a fucking idiot here at Revscene who kept posting new threads about this bullshit. Is he still around, or did he off himself a couple years early?

Ya, he goes by +TheOne+ now but has had a few other names on here. He's probably to busy preparing for the end of the world to busy to post anymore. :haha::haha:

[ZhangFei]

weren't these the same people that sacrificed humans their gods and thought the spanish explorers were god-incarnates?

[B-DiZzLe]

I remember there was a fucking idiot here at Revscene who kept posting new threads about this bullshit. Is he still around, or did he off himself a couple years early?

http://www.revscene.net/forums/theone-t571308.html?t=571308

[SkinnyPupp]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/theone-t571308.html?t=571308
Wow, is that the biggest fail in the history of Revscene? Has to be one of them, that's for sure!

But in a forum where people post Youtube ghost video threads, not for kicks but to ask if people think the videos are fake, who fucking knows what is going on in these peoples' heads.

[StylinRed]

weren't these the same people that sacrificed humans their gods and thought the spanish explorers were god-incarnates?

they actually would have defeated the spanish if it wasnt for disease that fucked them up

[Al_Capwn]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/theone-t571308.html?t=571308

in 2013 lets track him down and beat him senseless with a 2013 Canadian Calendar...

or the shitty ones that autoplan gives you as a reminder that your sodemy begins immediately with a 12 month spread of cars no one gives a fuck about...

[TRD Rs200]

I still think this whole 2012 BS is overblown, if the future is predictable, it wouldent be called "future"

[J-Chow]

great.

here we go again 1999.

[AzNightmare]

hahah
+TheOne+ probably sold his computer by now.

[SlySi]

I remember there was a fucking idiot here at Revscene who kept posting new threads about this bullshit. Is he still around, or did he off himself a couple years early?

Fawk thats right....
Was he the one with all the same conspiricy nutjob theories as well?

[q0192837465]

Didnt the Predators using Mayan women to breed Aliens?

[Grandmaster TSE]

hahah
+TheOne+ probably sold his computer by now.

hiding in the corner with his tinfoil hat on

[!LittleDragon]

He thought the Queen was an alien lizard...


But who knows, I'm not a believer myself, but I am very curious. The Mayans weren't the only ones to predict the 2012 date and they did predict the demise of their own civilization. I'm sure knowledge was lost over the years and we can only take a guess at the calendar's meaning... nobody's sure what old sites like stone henge were really for. The Mayan calendar could be a doomsday prophecy or a popular home decoration...

[liu13]

so who is this dead guy on a cross everyone been talking about? made up by the same people?

[TheKingdom2000]

Sorry to revive an old ass thread, but I didn't want to make a new one for such an insane idea.

But, the more I watch ancient aliens the more Dec 21, 2012 scares me.
I mean, realistically, I do not think 2012 really means anything.

But, this ancient alien shit is messing with my mind.
One, I am now opened to the idea of aliens. Which I wasn't before. And to me that sounds totally fucked.
And since all the ancient civilizations have some account of "gods" and their technology to build massive structures and move 100-1000 tonne rocks with ease is just beyond me. What if aliens do exist and the mayan calendar was based on stuff aliens told them etc.

I know I sound like a crazy person and I would have never though this way if I didn't watch the damn ancient aliens series... fuck I sound stupid

But, does anyone else have an inkling like this as well?

[StylinRed]

what if indeed




man i loved the What If...? marvel comics

http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/3864_4_024.jpg

[CRS]

Sorry to revive an old ass thread, but I didn't want to make a new one for such an insane idea.

But, the more I watch ancient aliens the more Dec 21, 2012 scares me.
I mean, realistically, I do not think 2012 really means anything.

But, this ancient alien shit is messing with my mind.
One, I am now opened to the idea of aliens. Which I wasn't before. And to me that sounds totally fucked.
And since all the ancient civilizations have some account of "gods" and their technology to build massive structures and move 100-1000 tonne rocks with ease is just beyond me. What if aliens do exist and the mayan calendar was based on stuff aliens told them etc.

I know I sound like a crazy person and I would have never though this way if I didn't watch the damn ancient aliens series... fuck I sound stupid

But, does anyone else have an inkling like this as well?

I imagine this will be your progression as well...

http://i.imgur.com/bEwRQ.png

Or perhaps regression is the more appropriate word...

[Bouncing Bettys]

:seriously: I have never watched Ancient Aliens and never will as the title of the show itself suggests a severe deficiency in critical thinking.

[StylinRed]

what happened to theone?


is he the op? OMG IS JAH DEAN +THEONE+ ???

[shawn79]

zombies im telling you!!

you already see them at downtown eastside late at night :heckno:

[toyobaru]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/185/162/101211rapt.jpg

[shawn79]

bible :fuckthatshit:
bunch of fairytales

[nack]

this ancient alien shit is messing with my mind.
One, I am now opened to the idea of aliens. Which I wasn't before. And to me that sounds totally fucked.
And since all the ancient civilizations have some account of "gods" and their technology to build massive structures and move 100-1000 tonne rocks with ease is just beyond me. What if aliens do exist and the mayan calendar was based on stuff aliens told them etc.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/resistance-3-screen-shots.jpg

[StylinRed]

wow... reading about ancient aliens show on here i thought i would check it out.... alien swords alien greek fire... rofl :fuckthatshit:

[The7even]

Oh GunMetalTeg, where art thou?

[threezero]

wow... reading about ancient aliens show on here i thought i would check it out.... alien swords alien greek fire... rofl :fuckthatshit:

some of its claim is very ridiculous and totally rule out out other possiblities but than it does makes you wonder about alot of the ancient structure how they were built and its ultimate purpose. Engineer and scientist still debate on how the egyptian pyramids were built. Many scientific research points to the spinx being ALOT older than the pyramid...

one thing i enjoy about ancient alien series is how it basically deny the existence of god by using holy literature as one of their "proof" for alien. makes a fool of religion lol, make u see how silly alot of the religious stuff ah

[silva95teg]

one thing i enjoy about ancient alien series is how it basically deny the existence of god by using holy literature as one of their "proof" for alien. makes a fool of religion lol, make u see how silly alot of the religious stuff ah


I don't think the show denies the existence of "God", i think they just imply that God to the people was aliens.

[dachinesedude]

of all the weird things in the world, the pyramids are living proof that there was def some ET shit going on in the past

its still debatable as to how the egyptians build them, especially with the technology they had back then, its just physically impossible

take away the computers, the machines, see if humans today can even come close, even with the knowledge

[dinosaur]

Sorry to revive an old ass thread, but I didn't want to make a new one for such an insane idea.

But, the more I watch ancient aliens the more Dec 21, 2012 scares me.
I mean, realistically, I do not think 2012 really means anything.

But, this ancient alien shit is messing with my mind.
One, I am now opened to the idea of aliens. Which I wasn't before. And to me that sounds totally fucked.
And since all the ancient civilizations have some account of "gods" and their technology to build massive structures and move 100-1000 tonne rocks with ease is just beyond me. What if aliens do exist and the mayan calendar was based on stuff aliens told them etc.

I know I sound like a crazy person and I would have never though this way if I didn't watch the damn ancient aliens series... fuck I sound stupid

But, does anyone else have an inkling like this as well?

All civilizations, tribes, culture groups (ancient and current), etc. have some form of belief in something bigger than themselves to explain things that they do not understand.

Why does the sun rise?
Why does the moon rise?
What happens when you die?
Why won't it rain?
etc...

The Mayans are/were no different than any other "ancient" civilization. All had some form of calendars or concept of time, a lot of them made "sacrifices" (the Aztecs were the most brutal), all worshiped some form of deity or deities, and in the same aspect of today's civilization, they had "forward" or advanced thinking. Ever civilization had a Steve Jobs or Stephen Hawkings. These people come up with ideas to build huge monumental structures that take, sometimes up to 50 years and tens of thousand of hands to build.

Mayan pyramids
Aztec Pyramids
The basalt heads of the Olmec
Egyptian pyramids
Roman aqueducts
Great Zimbabwe
Stonehenge
Machu Picchu
Moai on Rapa Nui
etc....etc....etc...

I could go on and on about the stone work at Machu Picchu and how it is far superior to that of the pyramids at Giza, but just because their technology to build such great structure is overwhelming, it doesn't mean that they were no capable of doing it and that ET are the answer.

We are talking about 2 and sometimes 3 generations of people building these structures....non-stop....everyday...all day. At the base of the pyramids on Giza, archaeologist have uncovered hundreds structures that houses 100s and 1000s of workers, etc.

Yes, they moved 100's- 1000s of tonnes of rock....it seems unimaginable, but they did. These people were modern homo sapiens. Same bodies and minds as us.

If you think about it, "our" modern civilization and the evolution of religion, you will see that as science has been able to explain things to us (i.e. the sun rising) religion's role in our culture has played a less and less significant role. In fact, the majority of modern religion just focuses on death and what happens after as that is the one thing we still can not answer. We no longer turn to god at night and ask him/her to rise the run in the morning....we no longer sacrifice a dog or have a guy cut his penis, drain the blood on a leaf and light it on fire to appease the gods so it will rain before our harvest, etc.

We have no way that we can relate to "ancient" civilizations...so instead of saying, "they just worked really hard for a long time", we say that some ET built it. Isn't that just like them praying to Kinich Ahau to raise the sun every morning. Because we don't get it/understand it, we invent something that we think did.

Its all pseudo-archaeology.

[rsx]

Sorry to revive an old ass thread, but I didn't want to make a new one for such an insane idea.

But, the more I watch ancient aliens the more Dec 21, 2012 scares me.
I mean, realistically, I do not think 2012 really means anything.

But, this ancient alien shit is messing with my mind.
One, I am now opened to the idea of aliens. Which I wasn't before. And to me that sounds totally fucked.
And since all the ancient civilizations have some account of "gods" and their technology to build massive structures and move 100-1000 tonne rocks with ease is just beyond me. What if aliens do exist and the mayan calendar was based on stuff aliens told them etc.

I know I sound like a crazy person and I would have never though this way if I didn't watch the damn ancient aliens series... fuck I sound stupid

But, does anyone else have an inkling like this as well?

Simple building. Stonehenge Reloaded by only one white man!! - YouTube

[optiblue]

Have you guys seen revelations of the pyramids?

The Revelation of the Pyramids 2011 - Full Length - YouTube
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[StylinRed]

i see some of the crazies have come out since my last post.... you know who you all are :)

[Sid Vicious]

mayan's couldnt even predict the end of their civilization

[mr_chin]

mayan's couldnt even predict the end of their civilization

according to wikipedia, they are located in guatemala, but have evolved into different races.

similar to the ancient chinese, they became many different cultures of chinese. in china, there are probably over 20 different kind of chinese people that speaks different kind of chinese.

not all mayans were could at astrology and predicting time. only the few who could read the carvings on the temple do.

[StylinRed]

mayan's couldnt even predict the end of their civilization

they did

[hotshot1]

Speaking of the pyramids and the sphinx... I think this is the best video for them:

Mystery of the Sphinx - part 1 - YouTube

[monkeywrench]

Can the 2012 believers finally shut up now?
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[dinosaur]

according to wikipedia, they are located in guatemala, but have evolved into different races.



Technically there are only 3 races in the world, speaking from a forensic anthropological background: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.

Ethnically and culturally, they "evolved" into different groups.

Each of the three races have specific traits that appear skeletally which can help identify origins, post-migrations, e.i: populating the New World. MtDNA linguistics, and sometime tool traditions are also used.

Technically speaking, Mayans are of the Mongoloid race, which originated in Asia. First point of entrance into the New World (North/Central/South American) is sometime around and before 20k years ago and subsequently several more wave of immigration followed.

[Bouncing Bettys]

some of its claim is very ridiculous and totally rule out out other possiblities but than it does makes you wonder about alot of the ancient structure how they were built and its ultimate purpose. Engineer and scientist still debate on how the egyptian pyramids were built. Many scientific research points to the spinx being ALOT older than the pyramid...

one thing i enjoy about ancient alien series is how it basically deny the existence of god by using holy literature as one of their "proof" for alien. makes a fool of religion lol, make u see how silly alot of the religious stuff ah

Engineers and scientists generally aren't morons so they stick to debating the techniques used. Notions lacking evidence, like if aliens were responsible, aren't debated.

Belief in alien influence or visitation and belief in a god = unfounded and not based in science = two sides of the same coin
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[TheKingdom2000]

Have you guys seen revelations of the pyramids?

The Revelation of the Pyramids 2011 - Full Length - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCgmQPYjBVs)
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That's awesome because it's so new.
2011 Nov, 22

[RacePace]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrqhelunqx1qzzohyo1_500.png

[Psykopathik]

move blocks with ease....who says it was easy? yah if you get 1000 slaves tell them to move the block.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k_vk1tp0dJQ/TWFag6FpgEI/AAAAAAAAASI/_27zNfzhb-E/s1600/easy-button.jpg

yup, the slave drivers hit the easy button.

get enough people and enough time, anything is possible.

not to mention calendars are relative. its just a tool we use to keep track of seasons and shit.

I'll say it again. if the Mayans made any calendar that could predict anything, they should have at least marked down the date that their entire civilization would be wiped out by explorers. Like faster than light particles, they didn't see that coming.

[Sid Vicious]

according to wikipedia, they are located in guatemala, but have evolved into different races.

similar to the ancient chinese, they became many different cultures of chinese. in china, there are probably over 20 different kind of chinese people that speaks different kind of chinese.

not all mayans were could at astrology and predicting time. only the few who could read the carvings on the temple do.

i dont mean to debate history with you or anything, but i define the "mayan civilization" in the same vein as aztec, roman, british colonial empire etc.

[Glove]

the fact that you guys are even debating this and the thread is still going,

deep down 2012 scares you

[TheKingdom2000]

the fact that you guys are even debating this and the thread is still going,

deep down 2012 scares you

for me, i am not debating anything. i just keep an open mind. especially when they present facts and they let you interpret what you will from them

i just love watching documentaries on stuff like this.

and the documentary posted on page 2 is a really good one.
the math behind the great pyramid is really astonishing.

[TheKingdom2000]

Engineers and scientists generally aren't morons so they stick to debating the techniques used. Notions lacking evidence, like if aliens were responsible, aren't debated.

Belief in alien influence or visitation and belief in a god = unfounded and not based in science = two sides of the same coin
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The only problem I see in your understanding is that those who believe in aliens base it on fact. Unlike religion.
Now, i'm in no way saying I believe aliens exist or whatever. But, there is very compelling evidence out there to support that some strange things were going on in ancient times.

ie. the great pyramid. why it was built, how it was built, and how the dimensions of it correlate to scientific measurements. ie. pie and the golden number, the speed of light etc.

I believe it is not two sides of the same coin because for religion there isn't really fact beyond scriptural text. ie. Christians have the bible. Whereas the Pyramids are here and we can actually measure them etc.

[nsmb]

watched that documentry a few months ago. would watch again/10

[Bouncing Bettys]

The only problem I see in your understanding is that those who believe in aliens base it on fact. Unlike religion.
Now, i'm in no way saying I believe aliens exist or whatever. But, there is very compelling evidence out there to support that some strange things were going on in ancient times.
Guess what?! I believe in aliens! In the sense that they exist, have existed, and will exist somewhere out there in the vastness of space on distant worlds. The math, our growing understanding and exploration of the universe including the discovery of basic life within our solar system, all point to this certainty. Where you lose the "facts" is trying to suggest alien life has visited earth or influenced life on this planet. There is simply no credible evidence to suggest anything of the sort. The Universe is just so damn big and so damn old and hostile to life that when you begin to consider everything and try to look at the larger picture, the chances we will even detect intelligent life let alone be visited, quickly become very very dismal to a virtual impossibility.

ie. the great pyramid. why it was built, how it was built, and how the dimensions of it correlate to scientific measurements. ie. pie and the golden number, the speed of light etc.
Another subject I take great pleasure in is looking at the past, where we come from and how we got here. I'm no expert on the pyramids but I would say the best answer to why it was built would come from those who built it - long dead unfortunately and like a game of telephone, information gets lost as it passes from generation to generation. No alien correlation here.

The simple answer to how they built it: through human ingenuity, will power, sweat. Don't underestimate the intelligence of people back then, they were just as smart. You could even take a newborn from 30,000 years ago, raise them today, and they would be virtually indistinguishable to anyone else, able to cope in modern society. No correlation to aliens here.

How the dimensions correlate to scientific measurements? I would argue that present day people often make the mistake of trying to interpret events and evidence using modern values and understandings when looking at the past. You can easily begin connecting dots an seeing things that were never there to begin with. I'm not denying there weren't scientific measurements involved, and that goes back to not underestimating the intelligence of people thousands of years ago, but their use and meaning were best understood by those who first made them. All we can do is speculate. Again no correlation to aliens.

I believe it is not two sides of the same coin because for religion there isn't really fact beyond scriptural text. ie. Christians have the bible. Whereas the Pyramids are here and we can actually measure them etc.

To go back to your first paragraph:
The only problem I see in your understanding is that those who believe in aliens base it on fact. Unlike religion.
Now, i'm in no way saying I believe aliens exist or whatever. But, there is very compelling evidence out there to support that some strange things were going on in ancient times.
Compelling evidence of strange things going on does not a fact make. What is strange to you or me can make perfect sense to someone else. It is our ignorance that make things appear strange. Religion was born out of mankind's ignorance of the physical world which surrounded them. Ancient Alien believers are attempting to interpret and explain what they don't understand, applying a higher being (in this case aliens) to our own developments. They start with a bit of fact, fail to interpret everything, and go right for that "EASY" button and say: "Aliens did it!" The other group of people I know of who start asking reasonable questions about where we come from and why we are here and then go right for that "EASY" button, are religious people: "God did it!" This is why I say you are two sides of the same coin.

Lastly, I never thought as an Atheist I would ever defend the Bible but here it goes. I would accept the tales presented in the Bible as historical insight and possibly fact long before I accepted pyramid theories and fantasies from Ancient Alien believers. The Bible at least gives some insight into the people who wrote it, the people it was written for, and their interpretations of events of the day. Archeologists have used the Bible to help understand the ruins and bones they were looking at. Geologists have used the Bible to help understand and date geological events depicted in stratified formations like eruptions, floods, and quakes.

[cruz-in]

man... i just came back from mexico and took a mayan tour and even they said they world isnt gonna end and that the a few "wetbacks" just made that rumour so that people would start coming to check out the mayan shit.

and yes my tour guide said "Wetbacks"

lol

[dinosaur]

Why were the pyramids in Giza built?

They were tombs for the Pharaohs. There were tons of them that were built...all different sizes, all different shapes, all different techniques, and all different styles.

They are not really classified to be such a "mystery" anymore.

There are several areas that have pyramids that were abandoned during the building process due to a failure in design, as well.

Whether people believe in aliens or not, it has no relevance to the fucking pyramids in Egypt...or Mexico...or the USA...or Bosnia...or Central and South America...or other parts of Africa.

[dinosaur]

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