[Milhouse]

I'm learning manual. I'm not sure if this is the same with all manual drivers. But when I'm at a red light, when it turns green, I put it into 1st, shift to 2nd at around 3500 to 4000 RPM.
Maybe my shifting is not fast enough but the driver behind me is always on my back when I shift to 2nd, especially making left turns at intersections. After I shift to second and add gas, they back off.

Does this happen to experienced manual drivers as well? Or maybe they are not tailgating and my 1st to 2nd shifting is too slow?

From 1st to 2nd, I
release gas
clutch all the way in
shift to 2nd
release clutch to friction point and add some gas for clutch engagement
release clutch all the way out while adding more gas

[tamazoid]

I think you're shifting into 2nd gear too slow... Also, you don't need this step when you shift into 2nd "release clutch to friction point and add some gas for clutch engagement".

After you shift into another gear, you just have to release the clutch all the way, but smoothly and then add some gas. With enough practice, you'll be able to shift in one quick motion pretty much... Hope this helps.

[hk20000]

.....just shift lower in 1st... the rate at which the car accelerates in 2nd is quicker on a flat surface. Also release the clutch quicker...quick enough that you don't need to gas first before engagement but slow enough to not jerk is the key.

shift like 2500 or 3000 at most and you'll move away from the stop light more quickly.

[simsimi1004]

yes ur slow
maybe its ur POV? they not tailgating but think they are because ur new driver and cautious
and whats ur speed like while turning, and how long to reach speed limit

[CRS]

I just find that when I'm on a hill, there is ALWAYS some asshole that is super close to me. They may be like 1 foot away from my rear bumper and I always have to be cautious that I don't back up into them. I don't understand why people just don't give others the proper amount of space.

Stupid.

[tamazoid]

I just find that when I'm on a hill, there is ALWAYS some asshole that is super close to me. They may be like 1 foot away from my rear bumper and I always have to be cautious that I don't back up into them. I don't understand why people just don't give others the proper amount of space.

Stupid.

I always watch out for those people when I'm on a hill... But I use my e-brake so don't roll back.

[Milhouse]

So

From 1st to 2nd

release gas
clutch all the way in
shift to 2nd
release clutch all the way out while adding more gas

like that? that will be faster but it doesn't seem like it will be smooth. It will jerk.
If I shift faster from 1st to 2nd, maybe the rpm wont drop so low so it won't jerk in 2nd, right?

[shenmecar]

4000rpm shifting is high. I know you probably want to accelerate faster off the red light and before you know it, its at 4000rpm.

Like hk20000 said, shift at 3000 and shift faster.

Also you don't have to "clutch all the way in" to shift. As long as its past your clutch point, I think its good. This way you can learn to shift faster too.

[Dinan3]

So

From 1st to 2nd

release gas
clutch all the way in
shift to 2nd
release clutch all the way out while adding more gas

like that? that will be faster but it doesn't seem like it will be smooth.

No. Just do what you're doing now. You just need more practice to make this sequence faster.

[you!]

I just find that when I'm on a hill, there is ALWAYS some asshole that is super close to me. They may be like 1 foot away from my rear bumper and I always have to be cautious that I don't back up into them. I don't understand why people just don't give others the proper amount of space.

Stupid.

hate those assholes esp when they do it at that huge hill on boundary/hastings:mad:

So

From 1st to 2nd

release gas
clutch all the way in
shift to 2nd
release clutch all the way out while adding more gas

like that? that will be faster but it doesn't seem like it will be smooth. It will jerk.
If I shift faster from 1st to 2nd, maybe the rpm wont drop so low so it won't jerk in 2nd, right?

no it wont jerk just do it faster... practice and timing is the key

[simsimi1004]

4000RPM may seen high, but accelration also involves /time, so how long it takes to get 4000rpm

when i tried my friends manual a couple times, i always did it really slow, slowly stepping on the pedal while slowly letting off clutch and eventually i would get to 4000rpm but it took me some time compared to driving auto.

[hk20000]

if he's part throttling to 4000 then it'll take a long time...Also the long ass time you take to shift your car is not accelerating, the guy behind in the auto car has no concept of that and he just continues to accelerate until he's alerted that he might hit your ass.....so you think he's tailgating you.

[m4k4v4li]

not for me i waste so much gas from always blasting off from reds

[Dragon-88]

So

From 1st to 2nd

release gas
clutch all the way in
shift to 2nd
release clutch all the way out while adding more gas

like that? that will be faster but it doesn't seem like it will be smooth. It will jerk.
If I shift faster from 1st to 2nd, maybe the rpm wont drop so low so it won't jerk in 2nd, right?

When you shift into second because you are already rolling, you dont need to wait for the friction point. Unless you are going soo slow that you do need to let the clutch out smoother.. In most cases you do not..

[valent|n0]

yea .. don't rush try to match with the other car.
for city driving , it always ends at 50 - 60 km/h anyway

[!SG]

1st to 2nd gear on manual is much shorter than on automatics.

so if u drive an auto, and u notice ur following a manual car, you will notice that as you accelerate from a dead stop, you will seem to catch up to the manual car because your auto is still pushing 1st gear, while the driver in front is probably switching into his 2nd gear at that point.

to the manual driver, it will seem like the person behind you is right on your ass.

[Ikkaku]

^the truth.

Unless like other people say, you're shifting quickly and smoothly or accelerating harder, it will always seem like people with automatics are tailing you. Don't worry about it.

[Lomac]

I just find that when I'm on a hill, there is ALWAYS some asshole that is super close to me. They may be like 1 foot away from my rear bumper and I always have to be cautious that I don't back up into them. I don't understand why people just don't give others the proper amount of space.

Stupid.

I'm an ass to those people. I let my car roll back towards the car behind me just to watch the expression on their faces as they see my car inch towards their precious vehicle. Besides, even if you hit someone rolling back while you try to get your car going, who's to say ICBC will blame you? As far as they're concerned, the car behind you rear ended you. ;) :lol

[124Y]

hate those assholes esp when they do it at that huge hill on boundary/hastings:mad:



+1!!!!!!!

I was gonna say there are ALWAYS assholes tailgating me on hills, such as the one on Boundary/Hastings, and then I saw your post! :haha:

[illicitstylz]

the biggest thing that helped me is you don't need to push the clutch ALL the way down into the ground. just push it slightly past the engagement/friction point as you're changing gears, then all you have to do is release the clutch ever so slightly to slip it back into gear.

[TOS'd]

^ does that really work? im scared to try cause i dont want to mess up my transmission. =/
i heard you could shift without clutch if you match revs or something, i dunno.


For you manual drivers out there. What do you do if you are approaching a red light with no one in front of you and no one is behind you? Or when someone is behind you? Do you guys like to time the light by shifting down and coasting?

[MarkyMark]

^ does that really work? im scared to try cause i dont want to mess up my transmission. =/
i heard you could shift without clutch if you match revs or something, i dunno.


For you manual drivers out there. What do you do if you are approaching a red light with no one in front of you and no one is behind you? Or when someone is behind you? Do you guys like to time the light by shifting down and coasting?


Personal preference really. If im far away from the red light I like to just let of the gas, downshift and time the light so im ready to keep going when it changes green...assuming there's no traffic in front of me. If I know its a light where im going to have to stop, and theres no traffic i'll pop it in neutral and coast to the light. I never understood people who like to rip it to a red light, brake hard, and then accelerate hard when the light changes. I suppose they have money to burn and probably think they look cool speeding up and slowing down every light.

[skyxx]

You'll get used to it and it'll be second nature as you shift more smoothly and find the right points. Don't worry about what people are thinking in the back and concentrate on the road. :thumbsup:

[Milhouse]

the biggest thing that helped me is you don't need to push the clutch ALL the way down into the ground. just push it slightly past the engagement/friction point as you're changing gears, then all you have to do is release the clutch ever so slightly to slip it back into gear.
Is that considered riding the clutch?
I thought you have to push the clutch all the way in to shift.

[ilvtofu]

Shift @ lower RPM so you can use the 2nd gear while turning more? and put a "learning standard stay back" sign on the back

[!Yaminashi]

Is that considered riding the clutch?
I thought you have to push the clutch all the way in to shift.

If you're moving then yeah I think thats considered riding the clutch but I think he meant at a light

But I thought if you dont press your clutch all the way down you could possibly grind your gears?

[moomooCow]

If you're moving then yeah I think thats considered riding the clutch but I think he meant at a light

But I thought if you dont press your clutch all the way down you could possibly grind your gears?

I think as long as you get it slightly past the friction point, it's fine. That's what I do and I think as long as you don't feel anything/hear anything then it's fine. :thumbsup:

[124Y]

^ +1

When I started driving standard, I pressed the clutch all the way to the bottom as well. Now I just push it slightly past the friction point. Also, you sort of ride the clutch when you're moving from a dead stop...

[stotch]

I just find that when I'm on a hill, there is ALWAYS some asshole that is super close to me. They may be like 1 foot away from my rear bumper and I always have to be cautious that I don't back up into them. I don't understand why people just don't give others the proper amount of space.

Stupid.

When I arrive at the light I usually let my car roll back enough that the guy coming up gets startled and gives me tons of space, seems to do the job.

[StylinRed]

if u back into them from shifting its their fault anyway right? we're supposed to keep distance when stopping behind someone

[Eclypz]

like others have said...shift @ a lower RPM for 1st ->2nd.
I usually shift out of 1st as quickly as possible

[Zyzz]

wtf???????

of course u need to step the clutch pedal all the way in for shifting, even past the friction point, otherwise its bad for the car. Also dont touch the shift knob unless ur shifting... let it vibrate freely

to op: its normal and happened to me, very very soon u will shift much faster and the problem will go away

[TOS'd]

Also dont touch the shift knob unless ur shifting... let it vibrate freely

I know and seen some people that always do this. So does it wear down the lever or something? I admit i sometimes do that but only when I'm coasting in 2nd or something while timing the light. Other than that my shifting hand is either on the wheel or resting on my parking brake.

[JdmProbe]

I have the opposite usually,

I usually shift into 2nd around 2000-2500rpm

I will be following a auto car from a stop giving a good amount of space in first. As soon as I get into second my car accelerates a lot faster in that gear and I sometimes get very close to who's in front of me when if not paying attention ..

[Iceman-19]

just flatfoot and power shift every gear. smash the clutch pedel in as fast as you can, and slam the shifter into each gear as fast as you can. good times will be had by all. /win

[Blinky]

(not matting the clutch)

^ does that really work? im scared to try cause i dont want to mess up my transmission.

Yes, it probably works-depends on the car and how close the point of clutch engagement is to the end of the pedal movement.

wtf???????

of course u need to step the clutch pedal all the way in for shifting, even past the friction point, otherwise its bad for the car.

It's best to floor the clutch when shifting, but on most cars you don't need to. The clutch needs to be pressed down far enough that the clutch is completely disengaged from the flywheel. This is usually just past the friction point and before the end of the pedal's travel.

There are aftermarket clutch stops available for some cars.

i heard you could shift without clutch

It can be done, but it's not really worth the effort or potential mechanical damage to do so.

[AhXian]

don't worry about the ppl behind you, its like that when u drive a manual, u'll get use to it. or if your car has alot of power, u can just start on 2nd gear.

[crazyazn]

When I arrive at the light I usually let my car roll back enough that the guy coming up gets startled and gives me tons of space, seems to do the job.

This is what I do...it works

And what's wrong with resting your hand on the shift knob? Assuming you don't move it around

[spoon.ek9]

this should help.

http://www.zazzle.com/learning_to_drive_stick_bumper_sticker-128496803754046221

[illicitstylz]

hm i never thought about getting out of first gear at 2000-2500, i've always done 3k shifts for all my gears.

someone mentioned that you do ride the clutch when starting out from dead stop, it may be riding the clutch but i'm sure it's designed to take it to some extent.

how do you guys take your right turns?

signal, slow down, neutral, make the turn, slip the clutch into 2nd and let it revmatch automatically?

[d1]

how do you guys take your right turns?

signal, slow down, neutral, make the turn, slip the clutch into 2nd and let it revmatch automatically?

I revmatch downshift until i'm in 3rd or 2nd, brake, then turn. If I am doing it your way, I'd try to match the revs before putting it back in gear.

[illicitstylz]

I revmatch downshift until i'm in 3rd or 2nd, brake, then turn. If I am doing it your way, I'd try to match the revs before putting it back in gear.

i know i should be revmatching..
but my pedals aren't designed to be heel-toed

and it all happens too fast for me to go neutral, revmatch, put it into 2nd while making the turn .. or maybe it' s just me and i need more practice lol

[moomooCow]

^why dont you

downshift and brake then turn and accel out of corner?

you're supposed to brake before the turn ( seems like u're braking in the corner?? )

[TOS'd]

im pretty new to manual too.

the way i do a right turn is say im in 3rd, i signal, slow down a bit, revmatch (attempt to), pop it into 2nd, approach corner, slow down and make sure its safe, then i accel and turn.

and if i ever have to wait at the right turn id just put it in 1st and do what you normally would do when starting from a stop.

[GabAlmighty]

Happens to me and i've been driving manual for a little while. I'm just a lazy shit and I take my time shifting from 1st to 2nd, people behind me can suck it up... That and my tranny mounts are shot

[illicitstylz]

^why dont you

downshift and brake then turn and accel out of corner?

you're supposed to brake before the turn ( seems like u're braking in the corner?? )

oh no sorry here's the clarification

60km/h, signal right, brake down to ~30, shift into neutral, coast into the turn, once i pass the apex i slip into 2nd gear and let it revmatch automatically.

i find that if i downshift to 2nd BEFORE i take the turn, i'm moving too slow but i guess it's better for my transmission and clutch.

[jlenko]

Pfft... you guys need motors that make torque sooner. I can't remember the last time I had to bother revving up to 3,000 rpm in my daily driver. I shift at like.. 1,500...

[Blinky]

oh no sorry here's the clarification

60km/h, signal right, brake down to ~30, shift into neutral, coast into the turn, once i pass the apex i slip into 2nd gear and let it revmatch automatically.

Don't do this. Your car should always be in gear except at a dead stop. There might be some cases which you will want or need to exit the corner in a hurry. Incidentally, coasting in neutral is illegal as you don't have full control of your car. Finally, your technique could (could, not will) lead to ... adventures ... in low traction conditions.

Basic technique:

50kph ;). Signal, brake to cornering speed, shift down to second and let out the clutch fairly slowly. Both brake and clutch should be fully out/released before turn-in. Turn in and apply throttle as you exit the corner.

As you get comfortable with this, you can try stuff like heel-toe, but leave that for later.

[moomooCow]

^ +1

Don't coast in neutral. What speed do you usually turn at? I usually turn in second and sometimes if it's a wide open turn and I see that everything's clear, I'll turn in third.

[bimmer91]

If you don't have anyone to teach you honestly best way to learn is take a few lessons, got all the basics and just got better with experience.

[skyxx]

Pfft... you guys need motors that make torque sooner. I can't remember the last time I had to bother revving up to 3,000 rpm in my daily driver. I shift at like.. 1,500...

So true. :)

[J-Chow]

Pfft... you guys need motors that make torque sooner. I can't remember the last time I had to bother revving up to 3,000 rpm in my daily driver. I shift at like.. 1,500...

I used to shift at 1500 when I first bought my car. But I was getting passed by everyone, including grandpa/grandma and C-lais. :(

I think the most ideal RPM range to change between 1st and 2nd would be between 2000-3000. I would rarely go over 3000rpm unless I wanted to pass or needed to change lanes.

[k20a]

Maybe the car behind just has a lot of torque? haha jk.

[you!]

oh no sorry here's the clarification

60km/h, signal right, brake down to ~30, shift into neutral, coast into the turn, once i pass the apex i slip into 2nd gear and let it revmatch automatically.

i find that if i downshift to 2nd BEFORE i take the turn, i'm moving too slow but i guess it's better for my transmission and clutch.

ohh dude u shouldnt coast while in neutral before turns
what ur doing is like an accident waiting to happen..

[TripleXXX]

I always watch out for those people when I'm on a hill... But I use my e-brake so don't roll back.



Practice makes it perfect, try parking on the hill and try to move you car up without backing down. I never use e-brake on a hill on a full stop because it makes harder moving the car up and only noobs does that.

[ziggyx]

Don't do this. Your car should always be in gear except at a dead stop. There might be some cases which you will want or need to exit the corner in a hurry. Incidentally, coasting in neutral is illegal as you don't have full control of your car. Finally, your technique could (could, not will) lead to ... adventures ... in low traction conditions.

Basic technique:

50kph ;). Signal, brake to cornering speed, shift down to second and let out the clutch fairly slowly. Both brake and clutch should be fully out/released before turn-in. Turn in and apply throttle as you exit the corner.

As you get comfortable with this, you can try stuff like heel-toe, but leave that for later.


+1

You should never put your car in neutral while moving.

As for the technique for right turns I do what Blinky says ;)

[Zyzz]

buy a 100k car so u can shift to 2nd when u hit 50 km/h

[XtC-604]

hm i never thought about getting out of first gear at 2000-2500, i've always done 3k shifts for all my gears.

someone mentioned that you do ride the clutch when starting out from dead stop, it may be riding the clutch but i'm sure it's designed to take it to some extent.

how do you guys take your right turns?

signal, slow down, neutral, make the turn, slip the clutch into 2nd and let it revmatch automatically?
Well it depends on your car, for my s2000 i usually shift at about 3500rpms cause if i shift a 2800-3400 the car has like zero power in the next gear. And yes you do ride the clutch when you take off for some smooth starts.
When i right turn, i break, revmatch downshift and then accelerate as i exit.

[crazyazn]

Like others have said...revmatch before the turn...doesn't have to be heel toe...i rarely heel-toe normally only when im going pretty fast at a red light/turn.

[TOS'd]

All this right turning advice shit goes out the door when there is a pedestrian or traffic from the cross road. lol

[illicitstylz]

+1

You should never put your car in neutral while moving.

As for the technique for right turns I do what Blinky says ;)

how about rolling up to a guaranteed red light?

i've heard two different schools of thought.

1) braking in gear is bad hence better to put it in neutral and brake (if you know it's going to be a full stop for sure )

2) opposite of 1* (what ziggy said, to never put car in neutral while moving


....so can anyone clarify?

[ziggyx]

^ I don't see why they would tell you that braking in gear is bad. Otherwise would you always put it into neutral when you brake?

Are you sure they didn't say engine braking is bad?

Either way I say you should always have the car in gear (unless you are just being lazy at a red light and want to take your foot off the clutch). Other than that, I don't think you should be in neutral regardless if you are about to stop or whatever the reason.

If I'm wrong I would like to hear what others have to say.

[unit]

Pfft... you guys need motors that make torque sooner. I can't remember the last time I had to bother revving up to 3,000 rpm in my daily driver. I shift at like.. 1,500...

my car has torque, but 3k comes so quick in first that i usually shift around 3-4k daily driving. if i shift at like 1.5k that would be shifting within one second of starting, or at like 15kph or so.

dont you drive a cavelier?

[1990TSI]

so the first problem, you sound like a woman. Why is this a problem? because if you are a woman, you shouldn't be driving a car. Now bake me some delicious cake.

also, your logic is all wrong. you're shifting waaay too early. I just assume you're in a honda of some sort, and hondas make about 40ft lbs of torque and 110hp, but not until 8000rpm. If you shift before 4k rpm, you're making less than 3ft lbs, and that's why people are "tailgating" you.

The proper procedure is to rev the piss out of the car while stopped, watch the other directions traffic light for a yellow, and as soon as it hits red, drop the clutch and make sure the RPMs are over 9000. once the tires start to connect with the road, watch the speedo until it hits 60k and throw it back into 2nd, without the clutch (saves the clutch from wearing) and continue doing this until 5th gear when you hit over 9000 rpm.


Hope this helps!

[illicitstylz]

also, your logic is all wrong. you're shifting waaay too early. I just assume you're in a honda of some sort, and hondas make about 40ft lbs of torque and 110hp, but not until 8000rpm. If you shift before 4k rpm, you're making less than 3ft lbs, and that's why people are "tailgating" you.



is there actual truth to this.

i've been trying at 2500 and it's just about the same as doing it at 3000-3200, still getting tailgated.

and yes it's a honda (acura) d series engine.

[PDA_86]

Yeah, I don't quite understand. When I first learning manual from my dad, he told me to just brake at whatever gear your in and just simply shift to neutral as I watch the rev meter come down to about 900rpm to make a complete stop. Now that I'm a little familiar with manual and the clutch points on my car, I've learned to rev-match to decrease speed. But I still brake watching the revs come near 900rpm. A friend of mine tells me that it's unhealthy to the engine this way though, and it somehow wears the clutch down faster. I don't quite understand how this makes sense.

Anyone clarify this for me, please?

[hk20000]

is there actual truth to this.

i've been trying at 2500 and it's just about the same as doing it at 3000-3200, still getting tailgated.

and yes it's a honda (acura) d series engine.

If it's gonna be the same you might as well shift low. Why waste gas?

[skyxx]

so the first problem, you sound like a woman. Why is this a problem? because if you are a woman, you shouldn't be driving a car. Now bake me some delicious cake.

also, your logic is all wrong. you're shifting waaay too early. I just assume you're in a honda of some sort, and hondas make about 40ft lbs of torque and 110hp, but not until 8000rpm. If you shift before 4k rpm, you're making less than 3ft lbs, and that's why people are "tailgating" you.

The proper procedure is to rev the piss out of the car while stopped, watch the other directions traffic light for a yellow, and as soon as it hits red, drop the clutch and make sure the RPMs are over 9000. once the tires start to connect with the road, watch the speedo until it hits 60k and throw it back into 2nd, without the clutch (saves the clutch from wearing) and continue doing this until 5th gear when you hit over 9000 rpm.


Hope this helps!

:rofl::bowrofl:

[SpuGen]

If you're slowing down, or going down a hill:
Please engine brake to coast down, or use your brakes. Engine braking doesn't waste a drop of gas. Being in neutral does because it's "idling". And use your brakes. I hate it when some noob is neutral coasting and flying towards my car just to save a buck or 2.

Get off the damn clutch.
Unless you're shifting, or engaging a gear, stay off the clutch. You have no reason to be holding onto the clutch, and a few months later, you'll be making a thread on what clutch you should buy because you burnt yours to shit.
Rev match properly. Meaning actually tap the throttle when you're downshifting instead of pussy footing and riding the clutch to "slip" it into a lower gear. It's not hard.
Clutch in, select lower gear and blip throttle, let off the clutch. One fluid motion like upshifting but tapping the throttle in between.

Use the right gear.
If you're barely touching the throttle and you're moving, you're in the right gear. Lower RPM + Higher gear does not mean fuel economy. Not bogging your engine does.

That said:

This is what I did:
Signal for the turn, rev match to 2nd for right turns, and 3rd for lefts just before the turn.
Full throttle, weight transfer, kick the clutch, and full lock out.

But I was RWD and this made sense. You could do this in a Genesis, but not a Civic Si. lulz

[shenmecar]

so the first problem, you sound like a woman. Why is this a problem? because if you are a woman, you shouldn't be driving a car. Now bake me some delicious cake.

also, your logic is all wrong. you're shifting waaay too early. I just assume you're in a honda of some sort, and hondas make about 40ft lbs of torque and 110hp, but not until 8000rpm. If you shift before 4k rpm, you're making less than 3ft lbs, and that's why people are "tailgating" you.

The proper procedure is to rev the piss out of the car while stopped, watch the other directions traffic light for a yellow, and as soon as it hits red, drop the clutch and make sure the RPMs are over 9000. once the tires start to connect with the road, watch the speedo until it hits 60k and throw it back into 2nd, without the clutch (saves the clutch from wearing) and continue doing this until 5th gear when you hit over 9000 rpm.


Hope this helps!

LOL!

[ilvtofu]

Yeah, I don't quite understand. When I first learning manual from my dad, he told me to just brake at whatever gear your in and just simply shift to neutral as I watch the rev meter come down to about 900rpm to make a complete stop. Now that I'm a little familiar with manual and the clutch points on my car, I've learned to rev-match to decrease speed. But I still brake watching the revs come near 900rpm. A friend of mine tells me that it's unhealthy to the engine this way though, and it somehow wears the clutch down faster. I don't quite understand how this makes sense.

Anyone clarify this for me, please?

I agree with your dad, it's more fuel efficient, and slowing down with your brake pads is most likely cheaper than using your gears and engine braking

[1990TSI]

engine braking costing gas?

weird. my car at high speed/ mid level rpms uses 0L/100 off throttle. in neutral it's pretty poor L/100

and brake pads are cheap!

[unit]

engine braking uses zero gas according to my car.
the moment you clutch in and put the car in neutral, you start using gas.

[Blinky]

the reason why one should shift down through to second before coming to a stop:
- you may want to move the car in a hurry when someone looks like they might rear end you.

As for "saving fuel" while coasting in neutral -- quite frankly you don't. On a modern fuel-injected car, an engine needs to burn fuel to idle, whereas the EFI system shuts down the injectors for an engine coasting down a hill in gear.

[ilvtofu]

oh right... modern cars

[1990TSI]

oh right... modern cars


Yep, it's about time you get one.

only a few weeks left until you find a new one to make a new thread about.

my guess is it'll be the Kia forte Koup. We got a couple in at school and they look good. You should buy one, or at least make a thread about it soon, asking for opinions, while you wait to sell your car for twice what it's worth.


:thumbsup:

[SpuGen]

All cars don't use any gas while engine braking. Not just modern ones ,Any fuel injected car.

But please do feel free to chime in whenever you don't know the facts, and spread even more useless and WRONG information.
Or make a post or thread about something because you're oh so qualified and experienced in everything.
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