[ilvtofu]

Okay, so finally set on a car >.<
no more kia soul... or nissan cube... or scion XB

what do you guys think about the saturn astra?

They have 7k discount now, and potentially an extra 2k based on your situation (if you own another gm car $1000 loyalty discount for down payment, First 2 finance payments paid for if you are a recent high school graduate) so around 1800 off so almost 9k!

Went in to richmond dealer today, great service, holy crap were they friendly. Test drove the car, feels way better and more solid than any of the imports I test drove recently (sx4, impreza, scion, cube, soul)

Power is somewhat sluggish, but definitely enough for city use, I test drove the 4 spd auto btw, they're sending over a 5spd manual from alberta for me which should be over in about a week.

compared to the auto corolla, power doesn't feel as agile and light, but then again the car i drove was almost 2900lbs with 3 grown men in it...

So basically the price we were looking at for a manual with a/c and all the discounts included was about 13k before tax.

The interest rate for finance was a little high at about 6% but then again you're saving a lot, and nothing of a similar price for a new car comes near.

Car feels 100% german, heavy steering, stiff solid suspension, clunky doors, passing turn signals, and overall substantial feel :thumbsup:

Definitely a heck of a lot safer than driving around in an 88 z car...:rolleyes:

[68style]

I think they're nice cars... should feel the same as the Corolla power-wise though, the share the same engine

[ilvtofu]

nah the astra has a 1.8L opel-gm family engine with 138 hp a bit more than the corolla, but the corolla is way lighter

:haha: opel badges or vauxhall badges? >.<

[roastpuff]

I like it... too bad it only had a short run. :(

It's a nice little car! The design I find more attractive than any other small compact on the market.

[ilvtofu]

^the design, the way it drives, the price!!!

only deppreciation to worry about, especially if opel decides they want to come to canada

[synchrocone]

I like the value of the Astra if your quotes are correct.

For me, the Saturn nameplate will always stick. After much development and planning in the 80's, Saturn finally introduced the 1990 SC1. I can recall it did very well but unfortunately it was never able make any money at all. Reasons included startup costs for marketing, capital for factory setup, high wages, and expensive parts (eg. exclusive plastic body panels).

Nonetheless, its success undoubtedly hinged on the fact that for the consumer it represented individuality. In a positive business sense, there was no cannibalization effect on other gm products. It was created as a fighter brand, built to directly go head to head against the competition, not with itself.

For me Astra represented Saturn's need for help.

With the Chevy Volt getting a $5000 government rebate, why not save Saturn while your at it? I have a feeling the shakedown while continue at GM. On who's back seems to be the touchy question.

[ToyotaPowah]

I don't know anyone that owns one and I don't have any personal experience with it, but I love the way it looks! Then again, I like most hatchbacks.

[thumper]

i don't know if anyone should be buying anything saturn right now. the few saturn dealerships left locally are trying to dump stock before the brand disappears, now that penske is no longer buying the brand. and i'm doubtful opel will ever come here, despite the magna corporation being canadian... i think it's some sort of internal GM thing, and opel has it's own problems in it's own markets overseas.

[ilvtofu]

^because the brand is dead doesn't mean you shouldn't buy the car, the parts are just as easily sourced as any other euro import car, and the GM dealerships will respect the warranty and service the car.

[danizer]

ilvtofu...i think if you get an astra...you should invest some money into getting full opel/vauxhall badge...looks mean :)

http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/10366/Vauxhall_Astra_VXR-L.jpg
and you can say...i drive an opel/vauxhayy ;D
http://www.arabam.com/fuar/2004/paris/opel_astra_gtc.jpg

[thumper]

^because the brand is dead doesn't mean you shouldn't buy the car, the parts are just as easily sourced as any other euro import car, and the GM dealerships will respect the warranty and service the car.

so, when saturn goes away, all the other GM dealerships will take over parts/service?

[ilvtofu]

^yup yup,

LOL I thought about the vauxhall badging when I was looking at the car too! >.<

opel/vauxhall definitely looks meaner than ... SATURN... haha maybe some VXR badges, but that'd be a little rice

Does anyone on RS even drive a saturn?

[danizer]

^yup yup,

LOL I thought about the vauxhall badging when I was looking at the car too! >.<

opel/vauxhall definitely looks meaner than ... SATURN... haha maybe some VXR badges, but that'd be a little rice

Does anyone on RS even drive a saturn?

haha if after buying the car you got a little extra moolah...you should def buy a VXR kit to go with it...OMG SO COOL! one of a kind :haha:

[cococly]

^yup yup,

LOL I thought about the vauxhall badging when I was looking at the car too! >.<

opel/vauxhall definitely looks meaner than ... SATURN... haha maybe some VXR badges, but that'd be a little rice

Does anyone on RS even drive a saturn?

If only Saturn, or GM or whoever would import the VXR/OPC version with 240hp, I might go for it as well :D
http://www.astraforum.ro/forums/storage/43/81361/opel-astra-opc-4991.jpg

BTW, are the "Saturn" Astras made in Germany? or South Africa or in the US?

[ilvtofu]

They're made in belgium I believe

The saturn ones have been selling like hot cakes since they came up with this 7k discount! thats why my manual one has to be ordered from alberta :cry: They said they don't even care about the deposit that much cos they'll definitely sell it.

Richmond dealership said they had close to 90 earlier this year and now they only have 10 left...
Only autos left, but selection is not too bad for autos

[cococly]

^ Where is the Richmond Saturn dealership??

I know it was right next to ICBC, but it became LEXUS now?

[!Aznboi128]

if u get it you'll need the vauxhaul badges and maybe even do a engine swap lol

[ilvtofu]

^ Where is the Richmond Saturn dealership??

I know it was right next to ICBC, but it became LEXUS now?

It's at the new dueck, since saturn is gone after 09, saab is gonna be open there too, on the same lot, but they will have a seperate building, apparantly koenigsegg has some good plans for saab.

[danizer]

They're made in belgium I believe

The saturn ones have been selling like hot cakes since they came up with this 7k discount! thats why my manual one has to be ordered from alberta :cry: They said they don't even care about the deposit that much cos they'll definitely sell it.

Richmond dealership said they had close to 90 earlier this year and now they only have 10 left...
Only autos left, but selection is not too bad for autos

im surprised! i thought the astra was made in UK lol...

i think it would be pretty hard to find local sale of that body kit...as for engine swap..................................

[too_slow]

I've been looking at one as a daily as well! I love the 3dr styling. The cheapest I've been quoted for with the premium package was about $16k. :(

[JesseBlue]

I test drove it before. to me it was average. if you are paying cash it probably has good value rather than financing. i dont like the seats though. cant recline it fast enough :D

[ilvtofu]

I test drove it before. to me it was average. if you are paying cash it probably has good value rather than financing. i dont like the seats though. cant recline it fast enough :D

For me it was well above average, mainly cos of how solid the doors and suspension felt, and also how the steering wheel felt connected, as opposed to the "average" japanese import which often feels like a video game...

[danizer]

For me it was well above average, mainly cos of how solid the doors and suspension felt, and also how the steering wheel felt connected, as opposed to the "average" japanese import which often feels like a video game...

lol...they play too much GT5...and theyre like "hey...i rike this feering...we should make honda shibiku feeru just rike this!"

[maxx]

good car for the money

[hk20000]

After 15 years you can put on collector's plate.

Who doesn't want a "sidekick" of a car for when your main heart and soul car is down? Perfect.

[freakshow]

Wow... 13K sounds like a steal for a brand new one..

[ilvtofu]

^except you'll be paying out the butt for retained value, but it's not a big deal when the car's that cheap :) and it's about 5k cheaper than said nissan cube with taxes and discounts in, and 5 years down the road I doubt this will be worth that much less.

[JesseBlue]

the price was alright for the ride...again to me, the ride was average...but average to me is good...coupled with a low price, then it becomes great...wife doesn't want it though because it seems that there is not much leg room in the back and i agree...
you know the price on it went up, right? there was a thread in redflag that the car was priced 11-12k in ontario and 14k here...grrr...i guess i'll let them have that since the leafs suck so much

[ilvtofu]

lolol yeah, rear legroom isn't very good, but trunk space was quite good IMO
wow 11-12k! :eek:

[wahyinghung]

That's a really good deal there and Gm should have bought over re badged Opel's like a decade or two ago..............

[ilvtofu]

^Or just brought over the brand, I'd much rather drive an opel than a saturn! :D
Two decades might be a bit of a stretch though, but definitely within the last 10 years there have been some pretty nice opels, speedster anyone?

[ilvtofu]

GODDAMNIT!!! SOLD OUT!!!
no manuals left :cry: jeez

[Meowjin]

owned.

[orange7]

owned.

+1


so how long till they have manual ones?

[Lomac]

That's a really good deal there and Gm should have bought over re badged Opel's like a decade or two ago..............

They did. They rebadged the Opel Omega as a Cadillac Catera... and it failed horribly.

[ilvtofu]

At least I got my N today... but no astra to drive around in... :cry:

should I settle for an auto?

[Great68]

They did. They rebadged the Opel Omega as a Cadillac Catera... and it failed horribly.

"The caddy that zigs"

[kchan]

At least I got my N today... but no astra to drive around in... :cry:

should I settle for an auto?

dont ! dont get smth you wont like and regret later :p
find a manual!!!

[ilvtofu]

Lol i don't mind the auto, I just prefer 5 speed cos it's cheaper >.<
I haven't even test driven it, frankly I don't think it'll be any more fun anyways based on my experience with the base civic.

[dogeatcookie]

it's a great, proven car. go for it, get a manual

[ilvtofu]

^no manuals left in bc or alberta >.<
they're not making new ones anyways..
so yeah...
maybe from the states but such a hassle, auto isn't bad compared to say a matrix

[danizer]

^no manuals left in bc or alberta >.<
they're not making new ones anyways..
so yeah...
maybe from the states but such a hassle, auto isn't bad compared to say a matrix

lol i thought u drove arond in the Z before...tsk tsk driving before your license :P
lol i didnt know before u were my age haha...now it seems like astra for someone our age is a bit weird :/

[Gt-R R34]

^except you'll be paying out the butt for retained value, but it's not a big deal when the car's that cheap :) and it's about 5k cheaper than said nissan cube with taxes and discounts in, and 5 years down the road I doubt this will be worth that much less.

if I were you, i'd run this car to the ground instead of selling it off afterwards for the retain value.

*if you find that manual! :)

11-14k car. Run it to the ground....drive it as a beater, trade in value or used sales value won't be any good anyways. Why not when you're looking at a say another new car down the road, use this as your beater.

[ilvtofu]

I'll run the Z to the ground :D
but yeah, definitely retained value isn't important in a 13k car, they should be fairly reliable as long as you keep them maintained, If the engine blows do I smell cobalt SS turbo? ;)

LOL yeah danizer, I'm still kinda iffy on the brand >.< not so much the age thing, the car looks pretty hip-ish (considering it's 5 years old...) but the brand... most often associated with possibly the most undesirable cars!

And yeah didn't I tell you i was in grade 12 in your intro thread?

[too_slow]

There's a few manual Astras here in Kelowna.. :P

I popped over to the Saturn dealership after seeing the page on RFD about Astras going out the door for $13k (taxes included!!!!)

BTW, an Astra drives much nicer than a Honda Civic LX, and is much much more upscale inside.. The shifter have really long throws.. The interior has the same 'upscale' feeling as a MK5 Rabbit..

I was hoping to snatch a 3dr XR for under $15k.. :(

[ilvtofu]

^OMG HE LIED TO ME!?!?!?!
I'm shocked that a car salesman lied to me >.<

lolol, i gotta go check that out, thanks btw!
any colour choice?

[kchan]

^OMG HE LIED TO ME!?!?!?!
I'm shocked that a car salesman lied to me >.<

lolol, i gotta go check that out, thanks btw!
any colour choice?

GO GET IT NOW! :haha:

[skyxx]

Give me a ride when you get it for 13K :D

[ilvtofu]

GO GET IT NOW! :haha:

I sent an e-mail to their dealership last night, waiting for a reply

btw too_slow when was it that you saw these manuals?

[kchan]

I sent an e-mail to their dealership last night, waiting for a reply

btw too_slow when was it that you saw these manuals?

make sure, i can come check it out and sit in it when u get it :thumbsup:

[danizer]

LOL yeah danizer, I'm still kinda iffy on the brand >.< not so much the age thing, the car looks pretty hip-ish (considering it's 5 years old...) but the brand... most often associated with possibly the most undesirable cars!

And yeah didn't I tell you i was in grade 12 in your intro thread?

lol i forgot :D
yea def rebadge as vauxhall ^^

[ilvtofu]

RS TO THE RESCUE
called langley saturn, they have a sexy 3 door XR in 5 speed, blue with all the goodies, (maybe not sunroof)

Danizer shouldn't you be in school right now?

[kchan]

^
hes a bad boy that skips and stays home to fap

ilvtofu: go get it, and debadge it, and give me a ride :) i like the car :D

[danizer]

^
hes a bad boy that skips and stays home to fap

ilvtofu: go get it, and debadge it, and give me a ride :) i like the car :D

lol who faps in the morning...LOL...
didnt have first block 8D...got to wake up at 9:30 lol..

damn, blue as in like the VXR blue? as jeremy clarkson says....SWEEEEEEET!

[too_slow]

Kelowna has three left..

Blue 3dr XR - Auto + leather
White 3dr XR -5spd base
Black 3dr XR - 5spd base

[ilvtofu]

lol who faps in the morning...LOL...
didnt have first block 8D...got to wake up at 9:30 lol..

damn, blue as in like the VXR blue? as jeremy clarkson says....SWEEEEEEET!

lol you fap when everyone else is in school?
XD I had first block off too this morning

nah it's not the vxr blue, it's a dark blue similar to some bmw 5 series blue

[TRDood]

wow, you get projector headlights?
go for it! it's better than a hyundai accent!

[ilvtofu]

So the one I'm looking at now is 17500 with PDI in,
"twilight" blue, (maybe that'll help with the LG hunting :haha:)
5 speed manual
XR 3 door coupe
Has MP3 capability
Leather and heated seats
traction stabilitrak and that bs
and that's about it.

[too_slow]

Is 17500 out the door, or you have to add taxes on top?

[ilvtofu]

Yeah before tax, so just about 20k with tax in

but then you add 1000 to the down payment from GM Loyalty
And an extra 800 for first 2 payments
But interest rate for 36 month finance is about 5.7%

[too_slow]

I thought the $7000 incentive is for cash purchases only! 5.7% is pretty high.. Get a loan from the bank from your parents to co-sign, and you should be able to get one in the 2% range..

[ilvtofu]

^
I see, it's a GMAC loan, but I'll look into that, my parents are co-signing, the car is going under my brother's name because he has a GM vehicle and recently graduated.

The OD line interest is also only about 4.5% LOL

It's only about a couple hundred difference on such a cheap car though.

[godwin]

In my book, always walk into a dealership with cash in hand, else it just saps your negotiation power.

^
I see, it's a GMAC loan, but I'll look into that, my parents are co-signing, the car is going under my brother's name because he has a GM vehicle and recently graduated.

The OD line interest is also only about 4.5% LOL

It's only about a couple hundred difference on such a cheap car though.

[danizer]

So the one I'm looking at now is 17500 with PDI in,
"twilight" blue, (maybe that'll help with the LG hunting :haha:)
5 speed manual
XR 3 door coupe
Has MP3 capability
Leather and heated seats
traction stabilitrak and that bs
and that's about it.

presenting....ilvtofu's new car
http://www.saturn.com/assets/en/images/model/2008/astra/gallery/exterior/2009_saturn_astra_783_11.jpg

yeeee looks mad bro :)

oh yea...and i win at LG hunting cuz i got this...
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2338/22102009637.jpg

ilvtofu: "wanna ride? my car is TWILIGHT blue?"
lgs: "hell no...perv...go away"

danizer: "wanna ride? i got a shit load of candy"
lgs: *legs spread already*

[ilvtofu]

Just picked it up today
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs038.snc3/12539_159217257911_505467911_2794093_5128871_n.jpg
$2300ish a year insurance on 25% discount
pretty cheap IMO, probably cheaper than a civic or a smart car

Funny story
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs038.snc3/12539_159217242911_505467911_2794090_6613582_n.jpg

Spider stuck inside the headlight, don't know how to get it out... :haha:

On my way to richmond from langley, saw SG outside of lansdowne, doubt he saw me though.

Clutch takes a little getting used to, very light and catch point is way higher than the Z which is in about the middle.

On my way home got a taste of my own medicine while the Z was following me, FUCK HIDs!!! >.<

Another funny story on my way to richmond, tried calling on star, waited for phone to ring for at least a minute... lady answers, "how may i help you" then hangs up on me :cry:

[too_slow]

Awesome colour.. The optional 5spoke 18" wheels look awesome on the car (same as the brochures).. YOu should pick up a set of those..

[ilvtofu]

^nowhere to be found,
I found a set of the 5 spoke Sky ones that look similar, but the guy sold them, he still has a chrome set, but not really digging the chrome.

Tirerack has a good selection but locally not much in 5x110, surprising since the cobalt uses this bolt pattern too.

[too_slow]

Get these:

Body kit:
[URL="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Body-Kit-OPEL-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-OPC-Look_W0QQitemZ310163193606QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ca rsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item48372abf06[/URL]


Wheels:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/18-ALLOY-WHEELS-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-OPC-05-VXR-5x110_W0QQitemZ110437271940QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2864 8QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo% 3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26ps%3D6

[danizer]

Just picked it up today
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs038.snc3/12539_159217257911_505467911_2794093_5128871_n.jpg
$2300ish a year insurance on 25% discount
pretty cheap IMO, probably cheaper than a civic or a smart car

Funny story
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs038.snc3/12539_159217242911_505467911_2794090_6613582_n.jpg

Spider stuck inside the headlight, don't know how to get it out... :haha:

On my way to richmond from langley, saw SG outside of lansdowne, doubt he saw me though.

Clutch takes a little getting used to, very light and catch point is way higher than the Z which is in about the middle.

On my way home got a taste of my own medicine while the Z was following me, FUCK HIDs!!! >.<

Another funny story on my way to richmond, tried calling on star, waited for phone to ring for at least a minute... lady answers, "how may i help you" then hangs up on me :cry:

SWEET DUDE!!! GRATS!!!! 8D

[RE-Jo]

congratz~ finally bought a car after 10 threads?
nice colour~! hatchback is the only way to go

[godwin]

Get the dealer to replace the headlight for you. You have warranty, don't do it yourself. Modern headlights are sealed, and you don't want any moisture problems down the line.


Funny story
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs038.snc3/12539_159217242911_505467911_2794090_6613582_n.jpg

Spider stuck inside the headlight, don't know how to get it out... :haha:

[underscore]

My friends had one for about 6 months or so now, identical to yours, great car

[Great68]

The astra would be an even better car if GM stuffed the LNF into it...

[ilvtofu]

Get the dealer to replace the headlight for you. You have warranty, don't do it yourself. Modern headlights are sealed, and you don't want any moisture problems down the line.

On second thought, I don't think it's sealed all that tight, I checked today and was shocked to find THE SPIDER WAS ALIVE!!! Crawling all over the housing, made himself a nice spider web. I'll be sure to bring it back, Those lightbulbs look like a pain in the ass to change anyways.

[hk20000]

hey how's the power and handling, ride comfort and stuff after a few days of impression?

[ilvtofu]

Handling is great, power not so great >.<
But hey what do you expect for 17k?
But handling is pretty impressive, very planted on the highway etc. better than the last FWD car we owned 2005 TL, and better than the corolla, you can actually corner pretty fast not much body roll.
Suspension is pretty stiff though which explains the lack of body roll, but I don't mind.

Not liking how the car makes you feel so small :haha:, not sure how you describe it but you can't see outside much, but basically the opposite of http://evertak.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/very-tall-man.jpg

[skyxx]

Okay you just made me want an Astra especially with that Euro VXR kit! :)

[Jsunu]

What are you going to do with the Z?

[ilvtofu]

Wait till it gets stolen?
Run it to the ground?

[CivicTypeRice]

Wait till it gets stolen?
Run it to the ground?
lol...You hate your Z that much?

[ilvtofu]

LOL nah, it's actually quite lovable, but pointless right now, especially when you can't afford to do much with it.
It's fun, but not the most practical or safest thing a New driver like myself should be driving in.

[danizer]

Wait till it gets stolen?
Run it to the ground?

lol what did it do to you? hahaha dude slam that shit now :) (the astra)

[ilvtofu]

It's already lower than the Base XE because it's the XR doesn't really seem to need to be any lower.

[too_slow]

I'm so tempted to pick up the last 3dr Salsa Red -5spd here in Kelowna now.. THe only thing that's holding me back is the lack of ass warmers .. :(

[ilvtofu]

LOL mine has ass warmers *nana nana poo poo*

[too_slow]

Is it effective?

The ones on my old MK4 GTI would fry your ass if you're wearing shorts.

Well, my other option is to pick up the white one with the premium pkg, but it's an auto.. I'd rather freeze my ass than to have to drive an auto ..

[ilvtofu]

I used them last night, they have 3 settings, I don't know personally I'm not a fan of butt warmers so even on the lowest setting it was uncomfortable for me, but yeah they work.

[some_punk]

Get these:

Body kit:
[URL="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Body-Kit-OPEL-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-H-OPC-Look_W0QQitemZ310163193606QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ca rsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item48372abf06[/URL]


Wheels:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/18-ALLOY-WHEELS-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-OPC-05-VXR-5x110_W0QQitemZ110437271940QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2864 8QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo% 3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26ps%3D6


I am paying for the car, no way in hell i am going to get a body kit for that thing.

[danizer]

Is it effective?

The ones on my old MK4 GTI would fry your ass if you're wearing shorts.

Well, my other option is to pick up the white one with the premium pkg, but it's an auto.. I'd rather freeze my ass than to have to drive an auto ..

lol...why would u need ass warmer if its warm enough to wear shorts? or why would you wear shorts in winter? LOL!!!

[underscore]

^ because he can

I used them last night, they have 3 settings, I don't know personally I'm not a fan of butt warmers so even on the lowest setting it was uncomfortable for me, but yeah they work.

If you ever end up feeling you really want them just get them added in later?

[hk20000]

you make me wanna just wear triangular underpants and sit in my AMG and turn the butt heater on.
http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/borat-preview-1.jpg

[ilvtofu]

That just inspired me for a Halloween costume

[ilvtofu]

Hmm where should the RS sticker go?
Or just switch over my LPF?

[CivicTypeRice]

What made you go for the Astra...Don't you want something quicker?

[danizer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKvt_NQ5QQ

if only i knew which marking meant 60...lol

[ilvtofu]

What made you go for the Astra...Don't you want something quicker?

not much quicker brand new for 20k with taxes included with heated leather seats and 17 inch wheels

besides it's not the only car in our garage...

[kchan]

not much quicker brand new for 20k with taxes included with heated leather seats and 17 inch wheels

besides it's not the only car in our garage...

list all your cars

[CivicTypeRice]

^+1

[PiuYi]

congrats on car
post more pics up!!!

[underscore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKvt_NQ5QQ

if only i knew which marking meant 60...lol

the third slightly bigger light. at the end it just reaches 100 at the 5th light so 20 mph/big light, or 10mph/light regardless of size.

[Great68]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKvt_NQ5QQ

if only i knew which marking meant 60...lol

That was pretty underwhelming...

[TypeRNammer]

Wait till it gets stolen?
Run it to the ground?

That's not a nice thing to say when you're trying to sell it:haha:

[ilvtofu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKvt_NQ5QQ

if only i knew which marking meant 60...lol

That doesn't even sound like the stock one!
Took pics today wif my SLR :)
But gonna resize em first, maybe I'll take some real pics, but first the quest for a new grille!!! even though I don't really mind the saturn one nemore, it's not so bad driving a saturn :)

[skyxx]

Wait? YOU GOT AN SLR? ;)

[some_punk]

That's not a nice thing to say when you're trying to sell it:haha:
right now I rather have it stolen, that way I can claim more money from ICBC than if I tried to sell it myself.

[danizer]

the third slightly bigger light. at the end it just reaches 100 at the 5th light so 20 mph/big light, or 10mph/light regardless of size.

wow...that took about....8 secs :/...i guess its ok...justin will hopefully make it crazy haha

That was pretty underwhelming...

lol werd...sounds kinda cool though...reminds me of rally cars

[ilvtofu]

That's not a nice thing to say when you're trying to sell it:haha:

That's true, plus if it's stolen and isn't recovered, they'll just reimburse the market value anyways right? which would probably be around $2000 which is probably half of what I could sell it for.