[BNR32_Coupe]

As some of you may know, the LHC is the worlds largest science experiment. It's a 24km dia. particle collider meant on uncovering the fundamental elements which create all matter that exists. Basically, they can recreate the events of the big bang in their own laboratory, in a much smaller scale.

A lot of people think that doing this could create a black hole on our planet (search youtube: blackhole LHC), or worse, create another big bang that would consume the rest of the universe along with it.

The machine had successful testing in, I think, early 2009. It was due for its first experiment in summer 09, but a bunch of helium escaped one of the cooling chambers and fucked up a bunch of magnets or something. Then, most recently, some bird dropped some food on some magnets which fucked it up too.

Anyways, the main point of this is, some people speculate that these glitches are more than a "coincidence" and that the machine is actually being sabotaged by the future! Since it has the power to destroy reality as we speak

Source: FOX NEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572567,00.html)

[Meowjin]

why the fox news source? at least use the ny times source.

[TOS'd]

fox news sucks.

[nack]

if you believe the world will end because of this, your a tool

(no offense to op)

[laureate]

Fox News. We alter reality. You are sold a preconceived narrative.

btw isn't this "being sabotaged by the future" garbage from a month ago?

[orange7]

if you believe the world will end because of this, your a tool

(no offense to op)


+1

[Gnomes]

lol fox news

[KingDeeCee]

Did anyone laugh when they read the bolded text? Like I just imagined futurama or one of those lame newpaper comics.

[you!]

damn birds

[Veleno]

Did anyone laugh when they read the bolded text? Like I just imagined futurama or one of those lame newpaper comics.

I still laugh thinking about the last guy on RS that thought it was the Large Hardon Collider :rofl:

[threezero]

I don't believe LHC will end the world, I do believe eventually through manipulation of black hole we will be able to time travel.

If this machines makes time traveling possible, this means the day the machines was created the the earliest date ppl from the future can travel too.

possiblity is limitless. Just in case I left my future self a joint in the mailbox in exchange for some sports betting tips

[ilvtofu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCw8b1JKmQ
shut up fox news is full of professionals!


damn what's the point of funding that collider?
7.3 billion fuck just to shut up some whining science nerds...

[Corey Darling]

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[tegz]

Wasn't this machine in Angels vs. Demons?

[Corey Darling]

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[CP.AR]

fox needs to stick with movies. this stuff is golden.

[TheKingdom2000]

if you believe the world will end because of this, your a tool

(no offense to op)

why do you say this?
in theory, the LHC could create a black hole with enough mass to f sh*t up?

[skyxx]

It will not fuck the current world up but another world parallel to ours. ;)

[MelonBoy]

why do you say this?
in theory, the LHC could create a black hole with enough mass to f sh*t up?

+1
Its that .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% thats gonna fuck us up XD..

[AVS_Racing]

lol sounds like they ran out of interesting news stories

[Vansterdam]

lol fox

[punkwax]

Riiight. Because in the future, we can telepathically control birds from the past.

[RTS]

Some things should just be left alone. Even if there is a 0.0001% chance of this machine doing damage, should a small group of mostly atheist scientists really take that chance?

[ienhz]

Would you prefer it if they were Christian scientists? How is that even relevant?

[threezero]

Would you prefer it if they were Christian scientists? How is that even relevant?

there is no christian scientist. any scientist that is religious will be look down upon by their colleagues and will lose credibility in their work.

being religious is the exact opposite of being scientific

[RTS]

Would you prefer it if they were Christian scientists? How is that even relevant?

I would prefer if they had a healthy respect for the limits of our intellectual capacity as human beings.

[TheKingdom2000]

Riiight. Because in the future, we can telepathically control birds from the past.

I lol'd hard at this one
maybe it was a remote controlled bird? :D

Some things should just be left alone. Even if there is a 0.0001% chance of this machine doing damage, should a small group of mostly atheist scientists really take that chance?

I agree. 0.0001% chance is 0.0001% too much.

there is no christian scientist. any scientist that is religious will be look down upon by their colleagues and will lose credibility in their work.

being religious is the exact opposite of being scientific

I don't think this is true. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of scientist who believe in various religions.. But they separate their work and their religion.

ie. a scientists who studies at CERN with the LHC. they don't have to believe that the world was created by a big bang.. but they can still be interested in what would happen if we collided two protons at near light speed. This is completely independent of their religion. They just want to study the phenomena?

[ienhz]

there is no christian scientist. any scientist that is religious will be look down upon by their colleagues and will lose credibility in their work.

being religious is the exact opposite of being scientific

I wasn't exactly being serious there...


I would prefer if they had a healthy respect for the limits of our intellectual capacity as human beings.

You've got to be kidding me.

[Sid Vicious]

I would prefer if they had a healthy respect for the limits of our intellectual capacity as human beings.

you christians say the darndest things. (and by darndest i mean fucking stupid)

lets not forget that several hundreds of years ago, we believed that the sun rotated around the earth...solely because of religion. intellectual capacity of human beings...smh

[slammer111]

The rap pretty much explains the purpose of the LHC.

The facts are spot-on. Too bad we can't say too much about the scientists' dancing.. Enjoy. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

[threezero]

^ dunt forget virgin birth ;P

[StaxBundlez]

LOL@ the FOX news source!!

[moomooCow]

I would prefer if they had a healthy respect for the limits of our intellectual capacity as human beings.

That is an unbelievably stupid thing to say... what is our "capacity"? Back when we were cavemen? This is all part of our learning process... if we can under stand it, is it not within our "intellectual capacity"? Or are you content with knowing what you know and never learning more? If so, go back to shitting your pants and crying to getting what you need as you imply that we should never explore the unknown and we should just be content with what we know.

[StylinRed]

Sounds like these news sources are running with some scientists musings



That is an unbelievably stupid thing to say... what is our "capacity"? Back when we were cavemen? This is all part of our learning process... if we can under stand it, is it not within our "intellectual capacity"? Or are you content with knowing what you know and never learning more? If so, go back to shitting your pants and crying to getting what you need as you imply that we should never explore the unknown and we should just be content with what we know.

trying to read this post gave me a headache



and lol at all the self-appointed PHD geniuses in this thread (even if u were a phd it wouldnt matter)

[TheKingdom2000]

you christians say the darndest things. (and by darndest i mean fucking stupid)

lets not forget that several hundreds of years ago, we believed that the sun rotated around the earth...solely because of religion. intellectual capacity of human beings...smh

first of all the the bible said nothing about what revolved around what.
it was merely those catholics that dictated what people believed. they still do.

i'm baptist and i find it really offensive that you think i'm fucking stupid because i'm christian.

and if you didn't know. being catholic and christian are two very different things.

[91LS-VTak]

How would people from the future know that this machine will "destroy the world"? Clearly it won't, or else there would be no future. Unless this is some kind of weird "Back to the Future" thing where people in a picture slowly fade away because the past is changing...:high:

[RTS]

That is an unbelievably stupid thing to say... what is our "capacity"? Back when we were cavemen? This is all part of our learning process... if we can under stand it, is it not within our "intellectual capacity"? Or are you content with knowing what you know and never learning more? If so, go back to shitting your pants and crying to getting what you need as you imply that we should never explore the unknown and we should just be content with what we know.

I don't know what our capacity is, but I know it's finite. Having said that it's one thing to seek to understand the world we live in, and quite another to conduct an experiment which could potentially destroy humanity. It is not right for a small group of scientists to take a risk like this without due regard for the rights of everyone else.

[RTS]

you christians say the darndest things. (and by darndest i mean fucking stupid)

lets not forget that several hundreds of years ago, we believed that the sun rotated around the earth...solely because of religion. intellectual capacity of human beings...smh

Please point out where I said that science should be frowned upon? All I am saying is that we should respect the limits of science. Unless of course you happen to know everything there is to know... do you?

[no_mercy]

i believe that without science progressing, our society/economy etc. would be very saturated... by that I mean we wouldn't be gaining more knowledge. Look what science have done to us. All our computers, cell phones, transportation, television, cars, airplanes, everything... all this stuff is science in the technological side. You don't know what other great discovery from the LHC will lead to another innovation.

So i fully support this research!

[slammer111]

^ +1 Science = finding out and understanding stuff we didn't know/understand before. The LHC is pretty much the ONLY way (based on current technology) to find out if the Higgs Boson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson) really does exist. Of course if it does, it just validates our understanding of matter. If it turns out our current models are wrong, this could lead to the rewriting of all of our scientific textbooks; even more so than when they found out the world wasn't flat.

This kind of research doesn't just lead to more gadgets. It could lead to huge advances in medicine, travel, stuff that nobody today can even imagine. I'm all for it too.

[FiveDime]

^ +1 Science = finding out and understanding stuff we didn't know/understand before. The LHC is pretty much the ONLY way (based on current technology) to find out if the Higgs Boson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson) really does exist. Of course if it does, it just validates our understanding of matter. If it turns out our current models are wrong, this could lead to the rewriting of all of our scientific textbooks; even more so than when they found out the world wasn't flat.

This kind of research doesn't just lead to more gadgets. It could lead to huge advances in medicine, travel, stuff that nobody today can even imagine. I'm all for it too.


x2, i couldnt agree more. Finding the Higgs boson would be a huge step for humanity.

[TheKingdom2000]

x2, i couldnt agree more. Finding the Higgs boson would be a huge step for humanity.

at what cost though?
what if shit hits the fan and somethings goes horribly wrong?
i don't think it's worth it.

[CP.AR]

I for one, really think that the LHC will bring the greatest scientific discovery all of humanity has seen to date.

I really believe that deep down, this could pave the path to a real life "Warp Drive" (yes, being a star trek fan does make me a bit crazy...)

[no_mercy]

at what cost though?
what if shit hits the fan and somethings goes horribly wrong?
i don't think it's worth it.

i think it's safe to assume that scientists want to live as much as we do. if they knew we all had a high chance of dying due to some mini black hole, then would you think they persists this research? they would want to live as much as we do to learn and understand the result of the proton proton collision... they wouldnt want to die and learn nothing from it...

there have been theoretical physicists working and proving theories on why this won't happen or very highly unlikely won't happen.

we all will benefit from this. not only in a sense that higgs boson complete the standard model of physics, but what new data and techniques can we extract from this that will be a leap forward in our society.

sort of what quantum mechanics did for us and etc etc.

[goo3]

I don't know what our capacity is, but I know it's finite.

Don't worry, if it's too much for one person, ppl just specialize. It's like how one person doesn't build a house.. a whole team does it.

Same with science.

Only a fraction of the ppl in the world actually get educated. So our capacity as a whole is way bigger than you think.

And it's not like ppl memorize everything.. we have books and hard drives to store knowledge.

[Graeme S]

first of all the the bible said nothing about what revolved around what.
it was merely those catholics that dictated what people believed. they still do.

i'm baptist and i find it really offensive that you think i'm fucking stupid because i'm christian.

and if you didn't know. being catholic and christian are two very different things.
Strictly speaking, the protestant reformation was still kind of going on when that happened, and Protestantism (baptists included) are still a sect of christianity, as are catholics...so really, Sid's kind of right.

[91LS-VTak]

I don't mean to alarm some of you, but apparantely the LHC is gonna be starting up again soon. The end of the world nears (queue spooky music)

[FiveDime]

at what cost though?
what if shit hits the fan and somethings goes horribly wrong?
i don't think it's worth it.



Without risk their is no reward.

[nack]

i qoute from the g.i. joe movie "science requires SACRIFICE!!"

[RRxtar]

1: this thing is going to do its thing eventually, so if it were people from the future making a bird shit on it, apparently there are still people in the future with an ability do travel in time, so apparently this thing doesnt destroy all everything.

2: if the future people REALLY wanted this thing to not work, they would probably try harder than making a bird shit on something.

and 3rd: the future people have alot more to worry about that this thing, like how we prevent the lizard people taking over in 3 years. or whatever.

[2damaxmr2]

anti matter ftw

[91LS-VTak]

The machine is now running, but we all haven't been destroyed yet. I was told death was coming. Explain.

[MR_BIGGS]

Fox News Fail:

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/political-pictures-michelle-obama-malkin-baby-mama.jpg

[BNR32_Coupe]

has anyone ever thought that maybe they collided the particles, but nothing happened, so they just told everyone that they're doing maintenance (since countries invested 100's of trillions) while theyre actually revising the design?

[skyxx]

The easiest way to the future is through yourself. ;)

[TheKingdom2000]

i think it's safe to assume that scientists want to live as much as we do. if they knew we all had a high chance of dying due to some mini black hole, then would you think they persists this research? they would want to live as much as we do to learn and understand the result of the proton proton collision... they wouldnt want to die and learn nothing from it...

there have been theoretical physicists working and proving theories on why this won't happen or very highly unlikely won't happen.

we all will benefit from this. not only in a sense that higgs boson complete the standard model of physics, but what new data and techniques can we extract from this that will be a leap forward in our society.

sort of what quantum mechanics did for us and etc etc.

you are not understanding the point... I KNOW there isn't a high chance of us dying.. I KNOW that there is actually a REALLY REALLY LOW chance that nothing will happen. But, the fact is, there is still a chance.
The probably of something bad happening is probably 1 in a billion, trillion.

Frankly, those odds are not good enough when it comes to my life.

Strictly speaking, the protestant reformation was still kind of going on when that happened, and Protestantism (baptists included) are still a sect of christianity, as are catholics...so really, Sid's kind of right.

just because catholics stem from christianity, it doesn't mean they are anything like a baptist. They have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ideologies and theologies, especially when it comes to interpreting the bible.

Catholics pray to Mary and to the Saints???
That in itself is blasphemy.


Without risk their is no reward.

Are you serious? how can you risk the life of the entire planet? this isn't like playing poker or asking a girl out for dinner...

[TheKingdom2000]

has anyone ever thought that maybe they collided the particles, but nothing happened, so they just told everyone that they're doing maintenance (since countries invested 100's of trillions) while theyre actually revising the design?

umm. the LHC was about $4.6 billion...

and your post doesn't make sense... the whole point of the LHC is to collide protons at near light speeds...

if they managed to collide the protons the experiment was a success?

if nothing happened when they collided the particles that is still a result that they would have to report.
if something amazing happened. ie. finding the higgs they would report it..

either way, they will report it.. if they don't find anything that is just as important as finding something... Scientific Method. It's pretty simple. And all real scientist abide by it.

[TheKingdom2000]

The machine is now running, but we all haven't been destroyed yet. I was told death was coming. Explain.

you're an idiot.

1. death is coming. you cannot escape death
2. in theory, there is a chance that a black hole could form and we could all get trapped in the black hole. (black holes do not suck btw)

So what more does anyone need to explain?

[skyxx]

Anything is possible. ;)

[91LS-VTak]

you're an idiot.

1. death is coming. you cannot escape death
2. in theory, there is a chance that a black hole could form and we could all get trapped in the black hole. (black holes do not suck btw)

So what more does anyone need to explain?

1. If I'm an idiot because the world hasn't ended yet, then I hope I keep on being an idiot for the rest of my life, sir.

2. Well, a black hole hasn't formed yet, so we haven't been trapped in one. In theory, it's possible that a black hole won't form and we will all be spared the horrible death of being stuck like flies on fly paper.

Could you explain to me the likelyhood of a black hole actually forming, and where you got that data from. Or are you just pulling that info out of your ass and hoping that an idiot like me will just accept it at face value?

[spoon.ek9]

late response much?

[91LS-VTak]

better late than never...

[DC5-S]

one day telekinesis will be real.. i mean just look at gravity, it can move things.. i wanna be like sylar lol

[Black SC2]

you are not understanding the point... I KNOW there isn't a high chance of us dying.. I KNOW that there is actually a REALLY REALLY LOW chance that nothing will happen. But, the fact is, there is still a chance.
The probably of something bad happening is probably 1 in a billion, trillion.

Frankly, those odds are not good enough when it comes to my life.


Do you live in a bubble? Odds are better than that you'll drop a lung on the shitter and bleed out cold with your pants down. Do you still poop? Driving anywhere must be hell on your nerves.

[SpuGen]

umm. the LHC was about $4.6 billion...

and your post doesn't make sense... the whole point of the LHC is to collide protons at near light speeds...

if they managed to collide the protons the experiment was a success?

if nothing happened when they collided the particles that is still a result that they would have to report.
if something amazing happened. ie. finding the higgs they would report it..

either way, they will report it.. if they don't find anything that is just as important as finding something... Scientific Method. It's pretty simple. And all real scientist abide by it.

Yeah cause like.... The Financial bankers really wanna know that they invested a whole bunch of money into a big machine that doesn't work.

What the fuck are those Teen Pastors feeding you kids now?
The last time I went 5 years ago, they told me that Evolution was all a LIE, and that GOD put everything there for us to find.

[CRS]

Yeah cause like.... The Financial bankers really wanna know that they invested a whole bunch of money into a big machine that doesn't work.

What the fuck are those Teen Pastors feeding you kids now?
The last time I went 5 years ago, they told me that Evolution was all a LIE, and that GOD put everything there for us to find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUaO0LNhKcQ

[Pocakj]

do they use red matter? : D

[rsx]

blah blah blah, everything has some weird conspiracy theory behind it.

fuck off. you guys watch way too many sci fi movies. You think these average-joe-scientists constructed an experiment with billions worth of investment without due diligence?

Just think of all the research you do for a nerdy ass gadget you are planning to purchase...

morons. world's going to end, blah blah blah. Go suck a nut and live your life.

[TheKingdom2000]

1. If I'm an idiot because the world hasn't ended yet, then I hope I keep on being an idiot for the rest of my life, sir.

2. Well, a black hole hasn't formed yet, so we haven't been trapped in one. In theory, it's possible that a black hole won't form and we will all be spared the horrible death of being stuck like flies on fly paper.

Could you explain to me the likelyhood of a black hole actually forming, and where you got that data from. Or are you just pulling that info out of your ass and hoping that an idiot like me will just accept it at face value?

"Black holes are usually conceived as being the remnant of a massive star that has used up its nuclear fuel, and crushed itself under its own weight. Its gravitational pull at its surface then becomes so great nothing can escape, not even light. It becomes literally a “hole” in the fabric of space-time, and anything that enters can never escape.

In theory, however, a black hole can be of any size, not just very large ones. Any amount of matter, if crushed in upon itself, can theoretically form a black-hole, albeit a very small one if only a small amount of matter is crushed. Some theories suggested that miniature black holes might have been formed in the earliest history of the Universe. Other theories suggest that particle colliders, by crushing two atoms together at tremendous speed, might create a miniature black hole of very tiny dimension. Stephen Hawking in the early 1970s theorized that such miniature black holes were once in great abundance, but later “evaporated” by a quantum tunneling process, so that such miniature black holes no longer exist in our Universe. This process, first theorized by Stephen Hawking, would possibly cause a black hole to evaporate. "

^^ That is from my Astronomy Book.
The Cosmic Perspective: Stars, Galazies & Cosmology
5th edition, Bennett, Donahue, Schneider, Voit
Astro 310/311
UBC

To sum it up.. if you collide two particles together at high speeds.. ie. near light speeds a black hole can form..
Is that ^^ enough support for you? or would you like to come down to UBC and talk to my astro prof?

STAY IN SCHOOL KIDS.


Yeah cause like.... The Financial bankers really wanna know that they invested a whole bunch of money into a big machine that doesn't work.

What the fuck are those Teen Pastors feeding you kids now?
The last time I went 5 years ago, they told me that Evolution was all a LIE, and that GOD put everything there for us to find.

Are you for real? What are you arguing here?
Do you even know what the machine/experiment is supposed to do?
It is supposed to collide particles together at NEAR LIGHT SPEEDS.

if nothing happens when the particels collide- wtf are the financial backers supposed to do? cook the books and make believe that they found the higgs? Seriosuly?

The fact is, if the LHC can collide TWO particles together... IT IS A SUCCESS. END OF STORY. The Large Hadron Collider is supposed to collide things? and if it does that.. how does it not work? the result is independent of the LHC working. Just because the LHC works, doesn't mean they'll find shit.

[TheKingdom2000]

Do you live in a bubble? Odds are better than that you'll drop a lung on the shitter and bleed out cold with your pants down. Do you still poop? Driving anywhere must be hell on your nerves.

what are you arguing here????

the fact still remains.. it is possible. that is all that i am saying. like i mentioned before... the odds are LOW. Very LOW.. But, I already said that like 1000000 times...