[SilverBlitz]

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would this be under entrapment?

[silk]

Ontario ?
I heard a story from my buddy who went to university in Toronto, he once saw a suited up Accord turns out to be ghost car, is it true ?

[CRS]

http://forum.ontarioconditions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5601&start=0&view=print

would this be under entrapment?

Why would it be entrapment?

Did the pseudo taxi prompt you to speed or race him?

[quasi]

would this be under entrapment?

entrapment [ɪnˈtræpmənt]
n
(Law) the luring, by a police officer, of a person into committing a crime so that he may be prosecuted for it


An example of Entrapment:

PRESSURE: Entrapment occurs if the defendant committed the crime as the result of an officer’s threats or other pressure such as badgering, coaxing, cajoling, or importuning.10 For example, in People v. Barraza11 the California Supreme Court ruled the defendant was entitled to a jury instruction on entrapment because there was evidence that the defendant, a recovering heroin addict with a steady job, sold heroin to an undercover police agent only because, (1) the agent telephoned him repeatedly at work; (2) he was afraid he would lose his job if the agent kept calling, so he agreed to meet with her; and (3) during the meeting, which lasted more than an hour, the agent “importuned him relentlessly until his resistance was worn down and overcome.”


Using a Police Car that looks like a Taxi really doesn't fit the bill. :)

[hotjoint]

do taxi drivers get get pulled over for speeding? those motherfuckers speed like crazy

[SilverBlitz]

Why would it be entrapment?

Did the pseudo taxi prompt you to speed or race him?

lol no it wasn't me. I thought police vehicles aren't allowed to be disguise as legitimate businesses?

[CRS]

lol no it wasn't me. I thought police vehicles aren't allowed to be disguise as legitimate businesses?

Nope, just like how they can stick on the 'N' or 'L' sign and still ticket you for speeding.

(P.S. I was referring 'you' as a general statement, not directly saying you.)

[danny_d19]

I've seen a bunch of different undercover minivans with N and L badges on the back. Sneaky cops!

[twitchyzero]

those steelies with fat sliver centercaps are dead giveaaway

[BNR32_Coupe]

thats not new. there's a two-tone teal with white colored top ghost car in vancouver. from far away it looks like a taxi. no actual taxi logos or anything on it tho, but it just looks like those airport taxi cabs because its two tone white and teal

[Ikkaku]

i remember stories a long time ago involving a modified impreza ... went to racing events and stuff.

and then Fast and Furious came out

[shenmecar]

Well, its become a habit of mine to slow down whenever I see a crown vic. This isn't even that well disguised as a ghost car since its still a crown vic.

[InvisibleSoul]

I can totally see how this would play out...

Speeder: Damn, I see a Crown Vic up front. <Slows down> Oh... it's just a taxi. <Speeds up> Something doesn't look right... <Crown Vic flashes cherries> :fuuuuu:

[The_AK]

cheeky bastards...
lol

[InvisibleSoul]

Well, its become a habit of mine to slow down whenever I see a crown vic. This isn't even that well disguised as a ghost car since its still a crown vic.
That's the beauty of it... because Crown Vics are also used for taxis... so when they see the taxi sign on top, they'll let their guard down.

[thumper]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/u-think-we-t575848.html?t=575848&highlight=police+taxi

[underscore]

I'm guessing that number is just the non-emergency police number?

Regardless that's not entrapment, unless he tries to race you

[bcedhk]

i thought thread was about ghost riding

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fE03nX4gqrw/SAP6DS09CBI/AAAAAAAAAJE/P0yIL03N6pA/s400/ghostridewrong2.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

do taxi drivers get get pulled over for speeding? those motherfuckers speed like crazy

they rarely signal too

[underscore]

do taxi drivers get get pulled over for speeding? those motherfuckers speed like crazy

I think the officers just note the cab # from the rear and sends the ticket in?

[Leopold Stotch]

entrapment [ɪnˈtræpmənt]
n
(Law) the luring, by a police officer, of a person into committing a crime so that he may be prosecuted for it


An example of Entrapment:

PRESSURE: Entrapment occurs if the defendant committed the crime as the result of an officer’s threats or other pressure such as badgering, coaxing, cajoling, or importuning.10 For example, in People v. Barraza11 the California Supreme Court ruled the defendant was entitled to a jury instruction on entrapment because there was evidence that the defendant, a recovering heroin addict with a steady job, sold heroin to an undercover police agent only because, (1) the agent telephoned him repeatedly at work; (2) he was afraid he would lose his job if the agent kept calling, so he agreed to meet with her; and (3) during the meeting, which lasted more than an hour, the agent “importuned him relentlessly until his resistance was worn down and overcome.”


Using a Police Car that looks like a Taxi really doesn't fit the bill. :)

when i first read that
i was like, wait so a cop can trick you into modding your car? that's rough.

[you!]

yeh ive been driving around van for ages and i've never seen a cop pull a taxi over...wtf is up with that

[penner2k]

Off topic..
How are the laptops in the cop cars connected to the station? Is it a wireless network to a cell router in the trunk?

[TRD Rs200]

I think the officers just note the cab # from the rear and sends the ticket in?

I doubt it, i think they like pulling ppl over. it makes them look powerful

[godwin]

They are connected via APRS packet radio, no need for a router, it is on a card.

Off topic..
How are the laptops in the cop cars connected to the station? Is it a wireless network to a cell router in the trunk?

[the_rickster]

would this be under entrapment?

do you know what entrapment is?


if it was a cab full of money and the door was unlocked and there was a sign on top that said "steal this car full of money", but it was being monitored by a group of police from a distance who were recording the whole thing, then busted you as you attempted to steal the car, it would entrapment. this is just an undercover cop car dressed up as a taxi.

[InvisibleSoul]

do you know what entrapment is?


if it was a cab full of money and the door was unlocked and there was a sign on top that said "steal this car full of money", but it was being monitored by a group of police from a distance who were recording the whole thing, then busted you as you attempted to steal the car, it would entrapment. this is just an undercover cop car dressed up as a taxi.

Um... I don't believe your example qualifies as entrapment either.

I think entrapment is where the police put pressure on you to commit an illegal act.

In your example, even though the police are certainly enticing you, there is no pressure from them to make you steal the car.

[penner2k]

They are connected via APRS packet radio, no need for a router, it is on a card.

oh that sucks..
I was reading about how in some areas of the states some ppl when looking for networks would pick up a certain network whenever a cop was parked by their house... The network usually had something about police right in the name too. If that worked out here it would make it really easy to track police (more so in not so populated areas)

[Cman333]

do taxi drivers get get pulled over for speeding? those motherfuckers speed like crazy

I've seen it many times before. Especially during that time they were enforcing Granville st.

[Cman333]

do you know what entrapment is?


if it was a cab full of money and the door was unlocked and there was a sign on top that said "steal this car full of money", but it was being monitored by a group of police from a distance who were recording the whole thing, then busted you as you attempted to steal the car, it would entrapment. this is just an undercover cop car dressed up as a taxi.

Don't think that's entrapment. If it was our ICBC Bait Car program would fail.

They basically do something similar like leave a wallet or something valuable in the car to entice the thieves.

[jeepwreck]

those steelies with fat sliver centercaps are dead giveaaway

lol ya and the color is a give away too not too many non yellow or orange cabs running around the city

[lilaznviper]

i saw a camery ghost car
now that was something new

[jaguar604]

what if i get into that thing drunk, thinking its a taxi and they take me to cells. is that entrapment? lol

[slammer111]

Um... I don't believe your example qualifies as entrapment either.

I think entrapment is where the police put pressure on you to commit an illegal act.

In your example, even though the police are certainly enticing you, there is no pressure from them to make you steal the car.If a cop tailgated you on the highway, switched lanes when you did (to stay behind you), then pulled you over when you tried speeding up to put some distance between the two of you, that'd be entrapment.

Happened to me once back in tha day. I was then busted for speeding, what a prick. Too scared to dispute though (Chinese upbringing) so I just paid it. :cry:

[moomooCow]

^ don't think you could have disputed it as you could have lightly tapped your brakes or just pull over and let them pass, that's what they would say to you.

[cococly]

those steelies with fat sliver centercaps are dead giveaaway

YES! I spotted that too.

Why didn't they just use a PRUIS taxi as a ghost car? I mean not too many people would have guts to try to run away :)?

[lilkulit]

do taxi drivers get get pulled over for speeding? those motherfuckers speed like crazy

seen a few, but there was this one time a taxi zoom by me going over 100km and then saw a nissan exterra(?) with N following the taxi going the same speed. next thing i know the exterra flashes the blue and red lights. now that's more of a ghost car than that taxi. heck i even saw a beat up mazda 626 in downtown pulling over someone.

[thumper]

lol ya and the color is a give away too not too many non yellow or orange cabs running around the city

keep in mind that this is in ontario, not bc. they still use ex-police cars over there, so no priuses, corollas, etc... that's just a west coast thing.

[underscore]

keep in mind that this is in ontario, not bc. they still use ex-police cars over there, so no priuses, corollas, etc... that's just a west coast thing.

I'm in Ontario right now, none of the cabs are ex cop cars as best I can tell, they're a whole mix of stuff but none of them are purple Crown Vics.

Then again my friend from Timmins tried to wave down a campus security van thinking it was a cab and promptly got busted for having an open beer :lol so maybe parts of Ontario are like that? idk

[thumper]

I'm in Ontario right now, none of the cabs are ex cop cars as best I can tell, they're a whole mix of stuff but none of them are purple Crown Vics.


really... my cousin was in ontario and he said that at pearson there was many crown vics in the taxi waiting line :confused:

[underscore]

Maybe in Toronto but I don't see running a Crown Vic around a big city like that to be a good idea (gas wise), either way even the shitty cab companies here (Thunder Bay) paint their cars so I don't think anyone would run a purple CV with no paint or logo or anything.

[static]

It'd be entrapment if the cop pulled up alongside you called you a good for nothing ricer that could never catch him in your import piece of shit and offered to race you for your pride or that of your virgin gfs. Completed aforementioned race, and then turned on the red and blues.

[penner2k]

YES! I spotted that too.

Why didn't they just use a PRUIS taxi as a ghost car? I mean not too many people would have guts to try to run away :)?

Why wouldnt ppl have the guts to run from the Prius?
Unless you are driving it like it is supposed to it gets pretty horrible gas mileage.. Top Gear did a test before. M3 vs Prius. The M3 just had to keep up with the Prius around the track. M3 made better gas mileage.

[jlenko]

It may have a bubble on top like a taxi... but that number is the police, and it clearly says "Police" on the top, not Taxi.

[godwin]

Actually Toyota is only big in West Coast.. it is Ford city out East. Remember Toronto is way bigger than BC. There aren't that many stop and go traffic.

Maybe in Toronto but I don't see running a Crown Vic around a big city like that to be a good idea (gas wise), either way even the shitty cab companies here (Thunder Bay) paint their cars so I don't think anyone would run a purple CV with no paint or logo or anything.

[the_rickster]

Um... I don't believe your example qualifies as entrapment either.

I think entrapment is where the police put pressure on you to commit an illegal act.

In your example, even though the police are certainly enticing you, there is no pressure from them to make you steal the car.

enticing you into a crime with the purpose of prosecuting you for it. thats what entrapment is. and thats exactly what i exemplified.

[The_AK]

off-topic but how successful HAS the bait car program been?

[Qmx323]

off-topic but how successful HAS the bait car program been?


bait car as in car waiting for u to steal? or bait car as in try to make u race them.

either way i'd say low cuz no ones that stupid

[thumper]

off-topic but how successful HAS the bait car program been?

http://www.baitcar.com/

[InvisibleSoul]

enticing you into a crime with the purpose of prosecuting you for it. thats what entrapment is. and thats exactly what i exemplified.
And what I said is just the act of enticing is not sufficient. They must be a distinct element of being pressured to perform the illegal act.

[CRS]

http://www.baitcar.com/
:lol

You can clearly see his face at 3:28

And the stats on the program though correlation =/= causation.

http://www.baitcar.com/prevention