[ziggyx]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1


Seriously? lol

[StylinRed]

in the states a lot of areas make it the law to pay a tip


only in america

[ziggyx]

^ Oh really? I didn't know that.
No wonder why it was such a big deal.

[124Y]

Wow... I really don't think tipping should be mandatory. Yes, it does protect the waiter/waitress from those under-tipping cheap bastards, but it does not encourage the waiter/waitress to provide good service to the customers since they are going to get tips anyways. Just my $0.02

[Graeme S]

The reason is that in a lot of states the minimum wage can be calculated *including tip*; ie: they Can pay servers as little as $2.50, but the minimum wage is around $7 or so.

Fucked up, huh?
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[mas604]

thats just plain dumb

[Gnomes]

Mandatory tip = shipping and handling fee (kitchen -> table)

[dachinesedude]

^if thats the case can i go get it myself

[silk]

should be no tip at all

[Shead]

Mandatory tip = shipping and handling fee (kitchen -> table)
if thats the case, then wats the minimum wage for?haha


its a service their providing, they're getting paid minimum for w/e the fuck their job is. tip is extra if i like them... ppl these days take tips for granted....i worked in the restaurant industry before too, and if ppl dont tip me i know why. so for those who suck at their job and complain about the tips, do something about it like provide the good service

[Vansterdam]

only in america.

[Gnomes]

Mandatory tip = shipping and handling fee (kitchen -> table)

One can argue shipping and handling is a product. The product that the customer got was broken therefore the customer should not be obligated to pay.

If only that argument works with Canada Post, UPS, or whatever too.

[Meowjin]

Not this shit again

:facepalm:
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[Groot]

thats just plain dumb

"i reckon" :haha:

[penner2k]

should be no tip at all

The problem with that is things will just get more expensive since businesses will have to pay their employees more.
Nobody will want to be a waiter/waitress/bartender/etc for $8 hr. Anyone that is willing to do that work for that little will be ugly and will most likely do a shitty job cuz they dont really want to be there.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

tip is overated

[kwistol]

mandatory tips is stupid. And thats why waiters and waitresses don't do their jobs properly and takes the money for granted

[shenmecar]

wow wtf.

[sil3nt]

now nobody will go to that bar lol

[skyxx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_%28gratuity%29

"Government employees

Under federal law it is considered bribery to tip federal government employees. However, they are permitted to receive unsolicited non-monetary gifts less than or equal to $20.00.[1]"

[azzurro32]

Next time I'm in the states and get shiity service il call the cops on them first
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[GLOW]

now nobody will go to that bar lol

maybe they're thinking "there's no such thing as bad publicity" LOL

[Graeme S]

The problem with that is things will just get more expensive since businesses will have to pay their employees more.
Nobody will want to be a waiter/waitress/bartender/etc for $8 hr. Anyone that is willing to do that work for that little will be ugly and will most likely do a shitty job cuz they dont really want to be there.
If the tip is mandatory, that item is already "more expensive". The real cost of the item is simply hidden by relabelling "labour costs" as "gratuity".

As of July 24, 2009 (2009 -07-24)[update], the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. Many states and municipalities have minimum wages higher than this (see List of U.S. minimum wages), but some U.S. territories (such as American Samoa) are exempt. Some types of labor are also exempt, and tipped labor must be paid a minimum of $2.13 per hour, as long as the hourly wage plus tipped income result in a minimum of $7.25 per hour.

[you!]

mandatory tips is stupid. And thats why waiters and waitresses don't do their jobs properly and takes the money for granted


cant agree more

[BMW135i]

tips are not necessary if they dont earn it.

[AzNightmare]

I hate the media.

Notice how at the end of the clip, she started with "honestly, probably gonna pay the tip anyways..."

then she got muted and the news reporter started talking.
Bet they can make a story out of that, or start throwing things in people's mouths by taking things out of content.

[hotjoint]

wow thats fucked, since when is tip mandatory? if I dont like the service then I aint tipping you shit. You earn it, its not given to you just cuz I sit down and eat.

[JeffK]

i've seen lots of places in canada do the same.

But it's usually for large groups of people. They automatically add in the tip on the bill.

Still probably not mandatory tho...

But the lady is dumb... she says:

“I understand that, you know, we didn’t pay the gratuity, but it was a gratuity, it wasn’t something that was required,” said Wagner.

Well bitch, thats where you were wrong... it WAS required... and you got your ass tossed in the back of a cop car.

still sucks tho, but it was completely her fault :)

[November]

Wow unbelievable.

The mandatory tip mainly protects the server from cheap people.

When large groups go into restaurants, the majority of the people will pay their portion + a tip. If their meal was $15 and they leave a $4 tip, the amount on the bill is reduced by $19. But some cheapasses wait till the end to ask "how much is left on the bill" and will just pay the remainder without tipping.

[slammer111]

^ Not sure in the states, but 15%-type tips are only mandatory in many places here (BC) in groups of 8+. Maybe some places have mandatory tips for even small groups? That would suck.

[Gh0stRider]

Have had restaurant staff chase after friends and I and ask where their tip was. We just told them that they provided horrible service.
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[q0192837465]

Have had restaurant staff chase after friends and I and ask where their tip was. We just told them that they provided horrible service.
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Lol, had that happened to me too.

[unit]

^this happens at chinese restaurants all the time. you get ZERO service and an attitude and they expect tips. i just walk out and pay the bill exact when this happens.

honestly restaurant servers say that tip is mandatory because its such a hard job!
i think thats bullshit considering how much harder a lot of people out there work for $8-10 an hour!
if you think this is the hardest job for minimum wage then you obviously dont know the meaning of hard work!
and before you judge yes i have worked as a server and a delivery guy before!

[bengy]

"Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends."

They had a group of eight, which usually means that gratuity of 18% is added automatically to the bill.

[El Bastardo]

http://consumerist.com/5411149/police-drop-theft-charges-against-pub-non+tippers

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/all-tip-charges-112309-cn,0,3955261.story


Obviously

[murd0c]

What a joke gotta love restaurants like that one, at least the charges were dropped

[stewie]

The reason is that in a lot of states the minimum wage can be calculated *including tip*; ie: they Can pay servers as little as $2.50, but the minimum wage is around $7 or so.

Fucked up, huh?
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and if the girl is super fucking hot with a giant rack....go ahead and only pay her 2.50$...you know damn well with all the tips she pulls in shes making roughly 25$+ an hour....wish i was a hot chick....

[AzNightmare]

I don't know what the rule is.
But most places don't put a gratuity (tip) % or value.
In those cases, I usually tip 10%.
I may pay a bit more than 10% if the service is good, or if service sucks, then less than 10%. There has been cases where I paid 0%. They didn't and can't do anything about it.

But for English restaurants that have a big party of like 10+ or something, they will add on a +15% gratuity. And it's part of the bill. When it's in those cases, I think it's mandatory to pay.
As the final TOTAL on the bill has the gratuity already calculated in. Just pay the exact total shown on the bill and you're good.

[unit]

wish i was a hot chick....

why, so you can get fucked by guys?

[Delish]

"Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends."

They had a group of eight, which usually means that gratuity of 18% is added automatically to the bill.

That still doesn't mean you absolutely have to pay for it when the service is shit. There's nothing I despise more than getting bad (not meh, but BAD) service when I'm eating with a group of friends and they tack on the mandatory large group tip. I DO understand that there's more work involved catering to bigger tables and more people but that's still no excuse for slacking off and giving poor service just because you know you're guaranteed to get a tip from that table at the end of the night. I'm sure that if service was bad enough and you complained to management hard enough you probably wouldn't have to pay the entire amount.

I've never argued against a "mandatory" group gratuity when the service was bad, although there have been plenty of times when I probably should have. Has anyone here ever tried?

[tgill]

Bethlehem Township police dropped theft charges against two college students who refused to leave a tip at a Lehigh Valley restaurant for what they said was lousy service.

John Wagner, 24 and Leslie Pope, 22, were hauled off to jail and charged with theft last month after they refused to pay a $16.35 mandatory service fee charged by the Lehigh Pub on East Fourth Street. The couple only paid $73.87 of the $90.22 bill.

The pair, who ate at the now infamous pub with six of their friends, claimed they waited more than an hour for their order. Pope claimed she had to go to the bar to get her drink refilled and pick up her own silverware.

Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said Pope and her friend were right and recommended to Bethlehem police that the charges against the couple be dropped, according to the Allentown Morning Call.

“It would not be the kind of case that should be processed criminally, Morganelli told the paper. “It was one of those matters that should be processed civilly.”

Pope, who has interviewed with media outlets across the country, told The Express Times, she is grateful she has be vindicated and looks forward to her day in court.

“It’s been six days. It didn’t take long,” she said.

The case captured nation attention and bought into question whether customers should pay a tip regardless of the level of service they receive.

NBCPhiladelphia.com received more than 3 million hits for the couple's story alone and more than 2,000 viewers left their comments about the incident.

An attorney for the Lehigh Pub said he was a bit surprised by the news.

“We do not agree with the facts as presented in the press last week. Sheenan told the Morning Call. “This is the subject of an ongoing investigation by the Bethlehem Police Department, not Lehigh Pub, and we will defer to them as the legal process plays out.”

Both Pope and Wagner are expected to appear on CNN Tuesday.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Theft-Charges-Dropped-Against-No-Tip-Couple--71865807.html

[hotjoint]

good to see charged were dropped, this shit is dumb