[Hondaracer]

i think it might be the PSU..last night using the computer there were a few times where i noticed the computer hung for a second, i would feel a fan, im asuming PSU fan maybe? start up and get goin again, then the computer would kick back in

this morning i tried to turn it on and all its been doing is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxMCeliGWw

in the video you can see that the heatsink on the CPU kind of twitches when it gets the signal, it doesnt start spinning though and then everything shuts off again, if the heatsink fan there suppose to start and continue to spin?

this problem comes after installing a new secondary HD about 3 days ago?

I also pulled the ram, reinstalled it as well as loosned up the heatsink, blew it all out with compressed air then reinstalled the heatsink

[johny]

spining fans for a few secs is normally PSU. changed one a couple days ago at work doing the same thing. (and fixed it..) not the first one I've changed doing the same thing.

[hotjoint]

could be your psu or your comp overheating. Make sure to clean the dust in the fan so it the air can flow through. I had a same problem about a year ago but my comp would turn off every few hours. I thought initially it was the psu so I replaced it and the comp was fine for about 1 day. I looked at the fan and it was dusty as hell and the vents were clogged, so the air wasnt flowing. I clearned it up and havent had any problems since. Hopefully that helps

[John]

Make sure the CPU fan is spinning fast.
Then replace the PS.
Then replace the MB.

[Hondaracer]

its hard to see but in that video, once i press the power button, about 1 second after the lights come on, the CPU fan twitches, like it gets a little jolt but not enough to spin

then the computer dies, the fan at no time in that 3 second start up before it resets spins

[Soundy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

[Crowtservo]

What kind of PSU do you have?

I assume you tried unplugging the new harddrive and seeing if it turns on?

Also you mentioned you "loosened up the heatsink". I'm not sure entirely what you mean but if it isn't seated properly it won't be cooling the CPU and that will cause your problems. Before replacing anything get some thermal compound if you don't have any, take the HSF off and clean both sides with some q-tips and microfibre cloth. Thoroughly clean the HSF while you're at it. Apply the thermal compound (google the best way to do it if you don't know how - I like the bean/rice blob method) and re-attach the HSF. If you're problems persist it's most likely your PSU which will require more troubleshooting to determine.

[Hondaracer]

its just some 330W PS i got with this computer about 2-3 years ago now

i unplugged the new HD, as well as the DVD drive as to take more strain off the PS but it just did the same thing and reset

k, now i pulled off the heatsink fan completely, the old thermal compound [im asuming thats what it is] is on the fan/CPU cover, pics:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/sniperslayer/DSC04665.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/sniperslayer/DSC04667.jpg

anything look wrong with that?

[Soundy]

If it's heat-related, the thing won't be shutting down within a few seconds of powering up, especially if it's been off for a while - it won't shut down until it actually heats up.

[Hondaracer]

yea thats what i figured.. as well if it was the heatsink problem, it would also start up and run until it overheated correct?

because as i said the heatsink fan only twitched on startup, it did not spin at all, but would a dead heatsink cause that 3 second reset?

just trying to plan out what i need to buy tom

[Soundy]

You should be able to run it for a few minutes with no heat sink at all, assuming it's starting from dead-cold.

[johny]

just trying to plan out what i need to buy tom

well now you need some new heat sink paste. and clean the old stuff off with some rubbing achohal or something.

[underscore]

^ exactly, even with no fan from sitting cold it should be fine for several minutes before crashing due to heat

[Hondaracer]

yea fuck this stupid heatsink i broke the little arms that hold it in place so gonna have to buy a new one tom anyways, clean everything off and re-paste it

also gonna get a new PS, will report back tom

[yameen]

don't worry honda, computer parts can be annoying. when i first switched processor chips, i didn't know there was a latch to lock the pins in place, and i accidentally snapped a pin off. luckily this comp was about 4 years old, so the processor was cheap.

[Crowtservo]

yea fuck this stupid heatsink i broke the little arms that hold it in place so gonna have to buy a new one tom anyways, clean everything off and re-paste it

also gonna get a new PS, will report back tom

The stock intel heatsinks are terrible. The pushpins are the worst design ever conceived and I'm amazed they are still using them. I would suggest getting an OCZ Vendetta 2, they are the best/cheapest HSF out there imo (usually find it for about $30). Also get the Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste.

As a general rule I would never remove and replace the HSF without cleaning and reapplying thermal compound. For the average person it's probably fine most of the time but with aftermarket heatsinks and overclocking it's better to be safe.

I don't have any recommendations for PSU as I haven't bought a PSU under 650W ever. For your needs it seems you are probably fine with ~400W considering your old one was only 330W.

Good luck!! let us know what you end up picking up.

[Hondaracer]

lol funny you recomended the Vendetta cause thats what i got lol

anyways.. so i also bought a BFG 550W PS, replaced that, installed my new heatsink, as well as a couple new fans, tried it

no picture..

so i took it upstairs and took out my 8800GTS from the other comp and tried it in mine, turns out the video card was fried too, dunno if it was from a power surge or whatever caused the PS to crap out as well?

anyways.. so now im in the market for a new video card too lol, any recomendations?
the comp:

intel core 2 6420 @ 2.13ghz 2.13ghz
4 gigs of ram
550W PSU now

looking at this:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42237&vpn=HD487AZWFC&manufacture=XFX#CustomerReviews

[InvisibleSoul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

Yeah, my guess would be it's a motherboard problem, and caused by the above. I have dealt with several systems that had the exact same behaviour as what you have.

[Crowtservo]

lol funny you recomended the Vendetta cause thats what i got lol

anyways.. so i also bought a BFG 550W PS, replaced that, installed my new heatsink, as well as a couple new fans, tried it

no picture..

so i took it upstairs and took out my 8800GTS from the other comp and tried it in mine, turns out the video card was fried too, dunno if it was from a power surge or whatever caused the PS to crap out as well?

anyways.. so now im in the market for a new video card too lol, any recomendations?
the comp:

intel core 2 6420 @ 2.13ghz 2.13ghz
4 gigs of ram
550W PSU now

looking at this:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42237&vpn=HD487AZWFC&manufacture=XFX#CustomerReviews


The 4870 is a good card for your system I think unless you are planning to upgrade the whole thing anytime soon in which case I would recommend spending more on a card that you can continue to use later on (like a 5000 series ATI card or GTX 285). Or you could just spend a bit more and upgrade to a 4890 or GTX260 (~$200)

[Hondaracer]

Do you guys think that I still could be the MB?

Because it seemed to run fine with the 8800 in it, but could there be underlying issues?
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[Dragon-88]

Do you guys think that I still could be the MB?

Because it seemed to run fine with the 8800 in it, but could there be underlying issues?
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Most likely

[A.RSXS]

Why don't you take the PS and try to use it on another computer. That might isolate out if PS is really the issue...

[Hondaracer]

Well as soon as I swapped out the PS for the new one I was getting constant power, no more resets

but then I was also gettng no video

swapped in the 8800 then I got video and it seemed to run normal
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[underscore]

try all these parts in a different machine. did the old video card have dedicated power running to it or did it go through the mobo?

[Hondaracer]

Dedicated power, as did the 8800 that worked
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[nabs]

im pretty sure its ur PSU... does it make a clicking noise? does it show the bios screen?


edit: just watched video...

something shorting out in ur psu and to save the computer its turning itself off. try a new one.

[SaviorSelf_666]

did you ground yourself before doing any of the mods? reset your cmos?

[InvisibleSoul]

It might be working now, but you may very possibly start seeing the same symptoms again soon.

Like I said, I had a machine that had the exact same problem, and doing various things helped, but only for a little while. For example, even swapping the power cord made things better for awhile. How, I have no idea... but in the end, it was still the motherboard that was the problem.

[Crowtservo]

I think we can definitively say that it was your PSU causing the problems. If it was a problem with the motherboard then swapping out the PSU shouldn't have fixed it. That being said it's likely the old PSU screwed up the video card and it's possible it might have caused problems in other components (the mobo, cpu, ram etc.).

I wouldn't recommend replacing your mobo on the off chance that it was the original cause of your problems.

Also does the "fried" video card work in your other computer? double check that it is in fact busted before replacing it but it looks like you'll have to pick up a new video card too.

[Hondaracer]

no it does not work in the other computer, did the same thing as when it was in mine, just comes up with no display although the fan still works on it

tonight i installed the new 4870, so far so good i added 2 fans inside the case and with the new heatsink the temps should be much lower now

I inspected my MB throughly and i did not see any capacitors with signs of wear, exploding, etc. they all looked perfect

is there anything i can do to test the motherboard? also if the MB was the problem [although the PSU seems to have been the main culprit] do you guys think anything could potentially happen to my new video card?

i appreciate all your guys help very much, my computer looks totally different inside now and it's stepped up quite a bit performance wise :D

[underscore]

potentially, the whole thing could burst into flames and burn your house down. But it's not very likely. I think the PSU is the only thing with enough power to be able to really cook anything independantly, (although there's probably some way for a mobo to take out a video card). If you're really paranoid get a new mobo and CPU and have two machines (if you have any sort of use for 2)

[John]

It's possible to damage a video card by removing if when the mobo is in standby. The computer appears to be off but it's still powered up. I think everyone has done this at some time.

[Crowtservo]

It's possible to damage a video card by removing if when the mobo is in standby. The computer appears to be off but it's still powered up. I think everyone has done this at some time.

haha I wouldn't say everyone but I can see someone making that mistake. Before I even open the side panel on my computer I turn off the PSU manually and unplug the power cord. After opening I make sure the mobo light is off. I wouldn't touch any hardware unless I was standing on hardwood floors or wearing a static strap.

[Hondaracer]

Sure is nice to play fallout 3 with no graphic lag :)
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