[cococly]

What if human activites are not causing climate change? ;)

Any RS member interested in viewing the data could get it from the internet.

Hundreds of private e-mails and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.

The e-mails, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics, and casual comments--in some cases derisive--about specific people known for their skeptical views. Drafts of scientific papers and a photo collage that portrays climate skeptics on an ice floe were also among the hacked data, some of which dates back 13 years.



At first, said Michaels, the climatologist who has faulted some of the science undergirding the global-warming consensus, his instinct was to ignore the correspondence as "just the way scientists talk."

But on Friday, he said, after reading more deeply, he felt that some exchanges reflected a concerted effort to block the release of data for independent review.

He said that some e-mails mused about a way to discredit him by challenging the veracity of his doctoral dissertation at the University of Wisconsin by claiming he knew his research was wrong.


In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millennia, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a "trick" employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to "hide a decline" in temperatures.

Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often use the word "trick" to refer to a good way to solve a problem, "and not something secret." "It sounds incriminating, but when you look at what you're talking about, there's nothing there," Mann said.


Source: http://news.cnet.com/Hacked-e-mails-fuel-climate-change-skeptics/2100-7349_3-6250248.html

[1exotic]

no it doesn't matter! beucase some other hippies will make up some BS saying this and that causes global warming tomorrow.

Basically who gives a fuck, it is what it is.

[JesseBlue]

i still blame icbc...lol...

[bigassbooger]

global warming is all BS its just a cash grab from the governments

[ilvtofu]

i still blame icbc...lol...

it was the canada line dude...

[StylinRed]

I put a thread up before with a bad title (thought it was a crazy world govt conspiracy video at first due to a snippet)

but this guy who's a viscount goes around refuting climate change arguments, even got the UK Govt. to make changes to Al Gore's movie if its shown in school

here's a lecture he did in the states

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

[spyker]

it was the canada line dude...

Does the carbon tax ring a bell?

[SkinnyPupp]

Well duh

Only an idiot thinks that Global Warming is a certainty, and if it exists, is certainly caused by humans.

[kroy546]

one day I will get a phD proving carbon tax is bull shit

[Minata]

regardless of whether climate change is true or not, i think we should still do preventative measures anyways...we are quite wasteful.

[akalic]

one day I will get a phD proving carbon tax is bull shit

focus on passing high school first big boy

[cococly]

focus on passing high school first big boy

Kroy is almost getting his Ph.D :thumbsup:

[danizer]

automakers + oil companies fault....evidence?

hybrids, EVs and rising oil prices...i mean EVs and hybrids are awsome innovation but...they arent gonna "save us" from global warming...which i dont think exists :)

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm pleased to see that a lot of RSers have a clue about the global warming propaganda. Good on you everyone! :thumbsup:

[cococly]

I'm pleased to see that a lot of RSers have a clue about the global warming propaganda. Good on you everyone! :thumbsup:

I realized someone is terminating the exisiting files/links from the internet. It feels like a big orgainzation is trying to cover this up.

[spyker]

one day I will get a phD proving carbon tax is bull shit

A retard with downs syndrome will even know the carbon tax is complete bullshit.

It does not take a person with a phd to figure that out.

[MG1]

Global warming is for the benefit of the scientists. They are the ones who are getting the attention and funding.

Case in point.....David "the prick" Suzuki has always played the media to look like a genius and get on the world stage.

BTW, David Suzuki is not of Japanese origin. He got cosmetic surgery done so he could look Asian. There's no Asian in him. If he were to look like any other caucasian scientist, he'd be nothing special.

[91LS-VTak]

Scientists are liars. All of them. Down with science. Nuke the scientists.

[spyker]

Global warming is for the benefit of the scientists. They are the ones who are getting the attention and funding.

Case in point.....David "the prick" Suzuki has always played the media to look like a genius and get on the world stage.

BTW, David Suzuki is not of Japanese origin. He got cosmetic surgery done so he could look Asian. There's no Asian in him. If he were to look like any other caucasian scientist, he'd be nothing special.Global warming was just a well thought out plan to scam the world of more taxes.

David Suzuki is the biggest self righteous asshole in the lowermainland,he thinks he is better than everybody else,he looks down on people that are,"inferior" to him,meaning "less educated" in his eyes.One day,someone will kick him off his very high horse.

[Volvo-brickster]

i cant wait till aircare dies

[spyker]

i cant wait till aircare dies

Aircare won't really go away,it will just come back in another form of tax to make up for the lost revenue generated by aircare.

Who knows,it might come back as a once a year vehicle safety inspection.

[kroy546]

Global warming was just a well thought out plan to scam the world of more taxes.

David Suzuki is the biggest self righteous asshole in the lowermainland,he thinks he is better than everybody else,he looks down on people that are,"inferior" to him,meaning "less educated" in his eyes.One day,someone will kick him off his very high horse.

In terms of David Suzuki, I have no idea how he is but...
Did the government charge us anything for having raising water level? or melting glacier? or 14 million hectares of dead lodgepole pine forests?

[trip]

apparently david suzukis daughter is a slut lol

[spyker]

apparently david suzukis daughter is a slut lol

GOOD!

I hope one day she gets impregnated by some big black uneducated street slang talking nigga from the ghetto and decides to marry him.

I have seen his daughters,they are nothing special,I would not hit neither of them,no matter how drunk I am.

[spyker]

Did the government charge us anything for having raising water level? or melting glacier? or 14 million hectares of dead lodgepole pine forests?

Nope.

But the government definately charges us for damn near everything else and blames people for the rising water and glaciers melting.

I'm sure if they could,they would charge us for the stuff you mentioned.

Oh wait,they do,it's in the form of aircare,environmental levy's,carbon tax.

What's next,get taxed for farting?

[StylinRed]

LOL David Suzuki seems really cool irl, why the hate?

[spyker]

LOL David Suzuki seems really cool irl, why the hate?
Ya and Charles Manson seems like a cool guy too.....until you try and talk to him.

[skyxx]

"Climate Change" is a money maker. ;)

[StylinRed]

lol, sounds like he killed your dog

but yeah that's what i mean once you actually start speaking with him he's pretty cool.. but as with any academic they're a little bit of an asshole at the beginning and then they open up

[goo3]

automakers + oil companies fault....evidence?

hybrids, EVs and rising oil prices...i mean EVs and hybrids are awsome innovation but...they arent gonna "save us" from global warming...which i dont think exists :)

We can't feel it cuz a few degrees means nothing to us, but we can see the Arctic melting and shipping lanes opening up in the Summer. And everybody's doing the land grab up north trying to get their stake of oil. So something's happening..

BTW, most of these "scientists" in suits aren't really scientists.. more like politicians talking a good game. Cuz that's what they do. Throw out factoids and talk out their ass.

[Jsunu]

Global warming is for the benefit of the scientists. They are the ones who are getting the attention and funding.

Case in point.....David "the prick" Suzuki has always played the media to look like a genius and get on the world stage.

BTW, David Suzuki is not of Japanese origin. He got cosmetic surgery done so he could look Asian. There's no Asian in him. If he were to look like any other caucasian scientist, he'd be nothing special.

Whoa where is all the Suzuki hate come from? Im honestly curious about this, I always thought he was universally loved?

[mgarba]

Global warming is for the benefit of the scientists. They are the ones who are getting the attention and funding.

Case in point.....David "the prick" Suzuki has always played the media to look like a genius and get on the world stage.

BTW, David Suzuki is not of Japanese origin. He got cosmetic surgery done so he could look Asian. There's no Asian in him. If he were to look like any other caucasian scientist, he'd be nothing special.

Are you fucking stupid, or actually serious?

[MG1]

Are you fucking stupid, or actually serious?

What do you think........ I was kidding........ are you serious? Really.

god bless........

[skyxx]

Damn, I guess people need to go fix their Sarcasm detector. I hope it's still under warranty.

[MG1]

Whoa where is all the Suzuki hate come from? Im honestly curious about this, I always thought he was universally loved?

Sent you PM with the story.............

[SkinnyPupp]

You guys should all read State of Fear by Michael Crichton. One of his best books, and it deals with the kind of bullshit the environmentalist groups are into. It's really good.

[jeff_alexander]

Exactly the reason why I keep 2 55gallon barrels of diesel burning in my backyard 24/7.

[jeffh]

You guys should all read State of Fear by Michael Crichton. One of his best books, and it deals with the kind of bullshit the environmentalist groups are into. It's really good.


truth, awsome book

my copy is within arms reach right now



im so fucking PUMPED this kind of stuff is finally comming to light, now i when i tell people global warming is BULLSHIT they might not look at me like im retarded :haha:

[StylinRed]

Climate change help for the poor 'has not materialised'
cattle carcas on drought landscape

Large sums promised to developing countries to help them tackle climate change cannot be accounted for, a BBC investigation has found.

Rich countries pledged $410m (£247m) a year in a 2001 declaration - but it is now unclear whether the money was paid.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has accused industrialised countries of failing to keep their promise.

The EU says the money was paid out in bilateral deals, but admits it cannot provide data to prove it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8376009.stm

[TheKingdom2000]

I took ecology at UBC and my prof said people do not give the earth enough credit.
he said, "The earth is one resilient mother fucker".
He actually swore.

He also said that there is no significant data that humans have cause/changed anything significant in our climate. he also, said that global warming is a joke. Where this is also no significant data to implicate that we're doing anything to make the earth warmer...

65 million years ago, when the dinosaurs ruled the earth, the mean temperature was about 15-20 degrees C higher...

the earth goes through cycles.. this is what i learned... he said there are too many people who think they know what is going on and and have a grasp of how the world works...

We can't even accurately predict the weather...
This is just what i learned.. it seems pretty logical to me. but nothing is for certain..

[BNR32_Coupe]

What I wanna kno is who were the idiots arguing with me about this topic a few months ago? Also, to everyone saying humans don't effect the climate, where the hell were u when I was flame waring on this??
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[MG1]

where the hell were u when I was flame waring on this??

Wow, sorry man. I must have missed that thread. If I had come across it and knew you were in the thick of things, I would have sided with you. I think everyone else would have, too.



god bless............

[hk20000]

LOL I remember Dick Suzuki was on the radio saying

"why waste clean and purified water on your lawn?"

my answer is "coz if I don't fucking use it it's going to go back into the sea? Or do you want me to pee into the lawn instead?"

Is he realistically thinking about building water pipes around half the globe or something and feed the water to 3rd world countries? US buys our water yes, but we are still having way too much water for our population, just drive around a bit.

[Crowtservo]

It sounds like fox news in here. People are just throwing out talking points and opinions seemingly based on nothing. I realize some people are being sarcastic but it seems others believe they know what they are talking about.

The only controversy is how fast the climate is changing and what implications that will have. You're right mx703, "the earth is one resilient mother fucker". Unfortunately humans are not and it is more likely the earth will adapt and live on and humans will die out (no I'm not saying this is what is going to happen).

The greenhouse effect is fact. The amount of change we have experienced is measurable. The amount of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions (carbon, methane, sulfur etc.) is measurable. The uncertainty is what effect other factors (cloud libedo, surface radiation, how much carbon the oceans can absorb) will have.

We're not going to see some catastrophic 2012 type event but you can't argue the fact that the earth is, and will continue to, change.

If people want to have an intelligent conversation about it I'm happy to but don't just repeat stuff you hear on the news or from others. Research and decide for yourself. If you want some good scientific reports (not the political garbage) to read I have many good sources for you.

Oh and I wrote a term paper on carbon tax vs cap and trade (emissions trading) and I can tell you it isn't "bullshit" but the politics supporting it might be.

[MG1]

This is Revscene. On top of that, this is the off-topic section. A place where people hang out and shoot the bull..........

Honestly, what did you expect?

Term paper, huh? Nuff said..........




god bless

[MelonBoy]

apparently david suzukis daughter is a slut lol

pics or :gtfo: :p

edit: o gwad nvm.. google ftl :(

[4chinit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oi8651Acu4

A pretty old vid, but this basically says..."even if its not true, why take the risk of doing nothing."

[SkinnyPupp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oi8651Acu4

A pretty old vid, but this basically says..."even if its not true, why take the risk of doing nothing."
Because it is destroying our economy

[unit]

Sent you PM with the story.............

that made me curious! send it over

[Crowtservo]

This is Revscene. On top of that, this is the off-topic section. A place where people hang out and shoot the bull..........

Honestly, what did you expect?

Term paper, huh? Nuff said..........




god bless

I'm aware of what forum this is, I've been around for 5+ years.

Honestly I expected remotely intelligent remarks.

Your last comment implies that my input should be somehow discounted as it was only a "term paper" even though it was for my environmental sciences minor at university. It's a topic I'm passionate about and certainly know more about than you so i hardly think you are entitled to scoff at my experience.

[spyker]

LOL I remember Dick Suzuki was on the radio saying

"why waste clean and purified water on your lawn?"

I guess that hypocrite should not water his lawn too then,he should also not flush the toilet while he's at it or wash the food before he eats it or take showers/baths or wash his expensive car.

I cannot imagine living next door to a person like David Suzuki.I would probably tell him to "go fuck yourself" within a week of living next door to him.

[MG1]

and certainly know more about than you.

You sure about that? I've done my share of term papers, too. Albeit 30 years ago. Anyway, god bless............


Edit: sorry to make light of your passion and minor in Environmental Sciences. I have degrees from both UBC and SFU and I wouldn't take kindly to people making light of my studies.

[Crowtservo]

You sure about that? I've done my share of term papers, too. Albeit 30 years ago. Anyway, god bless............


Edit: sorry to make light of your passion and minor in Environmental Sciences. I have degrees from both UBC and SFU and I wouldn't take kindly to people making light of my studies.

Thank you and it was unfair of me to assume I knew more about the subject than you. My original comments were not intentionally directed at you, mostly at spyker haha.

Because it is destroying our economy

I disagree, care to explain?

[SkinnyPupp]

Thank you and it was unfair of me to assume I knew more about the subject than you. My original comments were not intentionally directed at you, mostly at spyker haha.



I disagree, care to explain?
To start, go read any criticisms you can find of the Kyoto Protocol

[impactX]

I put a thread up before with a bad title (thought it was a crazy world govt conspiracy video at first due to a snippet)

but this guy who's a viscount goes around refuting climate change arguments, even got the UK Govt. to make changes to Al Gore's movie if its shown in school

here's a lecture he did in the states

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

LOL he's a nutjob who claims to be in the House of Lord (even though he never was) and wears a fake Nobel Prize pin made by his friend.

[StylinRed]

LOL he's a nutjob who claims to be in the House of Lord (even though he never was) and wears a fake Nobel Prize pin made by his friend.

the nobel prize pin is a joke, because he got some group to correct their findings and that group went on to get a nobel prize (cant remember the name of the group but that group got the nobel prize for preaching global warming)


and he's a "hereditary peer" his father was a viscount and his father, unlike "life peers" who are appointed their rank and cannot pass it on. and everyone who has such a rank is automatically in the 'house of lords'




pics or :gtfo: :p

edit: o gwad nvm.. google ftl :(

she looks much better in person (im assuming you're referring to sari)

[some_punk]

doesnt david suzuki drive a toyota FJ cruiser, a car that is not good on gas or that practical.

[ZhangFei]

I got a question for you guys


if global warming as you claim is not real, then why is it that the glaciers are melting? the second part of my question is, what is going to happen when the glaciers melt?

[CallTransOpt]

Just be like me and cloud seed your hometown, that will teach those bastards

[JKam]

I got a question for you guys


if global warming as you claim is not real, then why is it that the glaciers are melting? the second part of my question is, what is going to happen when the glaciers melt?

they're not saying its not real.. they're saying it's not our fault... reading comprehension ftl.

[cococly]

I got a question for you guys


if global warming as you claim is not real, then why is it that the glaciers are melting? the second part of my question is, what is going to happen when the glaciers melt?

From my limited-knowelge,

1, We are supposed to be in an inter-glaical period. ( if you have never seen this before, try bing/google it)

2, The earth has been without any glaciers for a number of times. In contrast, they were also evidences that the earth was at least at one point completely covered by snow. ( SNOWBALL earth, again, try to look it up. )

That's what I have learnt at UBC, Don't blame me. Blame D.Suzuki.lol

[trip]

lol... this is why i declined to originally make the same post that OP did.. this is RS

i personally dont believe that we are causing global warming single handedly

[trip]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230122/How-climate-change-scientists-dodged-sceptics.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1230113/The-devastating-book-debunks-climate-change.html

[SkinnyPupp]

From my limited-knowelge,

1, We are supposed to be in an inter-glaical period. ( if you have never seen this before, try bing/google it)

2, The earth has been without any glaciers for a number of times. In contrast, they were also evidences that the earth was at least at one point completely covered by snow. ( SNOWBALL earth, again, try to look it up. )

That's what I have learnt at UBC, Don't blame me. Blame D.Suzuki.lol
Also keep in mind that while some glaciers are melting, many are growing. Either way, we can't be blamed for it.

[ZhangFei]

growing? wtf?

I think humans have SOME effect on the environment. With all our garbage landfills, our polluting or diverting lakes and rivers, chopping down trees, oil spills.... you can't say that these man-made disasters doesn't impact on the environment at all. I think there is some effect, but I'm not sure exactly how much.

Regardless, it ain't good anyways.

[rslater]

Also keep in mind that while some glaciers are melting, many are growing. Either way, we can't be blamed for it.

Your wrong here. Its many glaciers are melting and a few are growing.

[SkinnyPupp]

growing? wtf?

I think humans have SOME effect on the environment. With all our garbage landfills, our polluting or diverting lakes and rivers, chopping down trees, oil spills.... you can't say that these man-made disasters doesn't impact on the environment at all. I think there is some effect, but I'm not sure exactly how much.

Regardless, it ain't good anyways.
You have to realize how absolutely insignificant humans are in the grand scheme of things. We are so incredibly minute and useless, the only beings that think human life is of any consequence are other humans.

We're just a bunch of beings thriving in an environment that happens to be right for us at this short point in the planet's history. It wasn't always like this, and it won't be like this forever. Nothing we do has changed that, one way or the other.
Your wrong here. Its many glaciers are melting and a few are growing.
Some are growing, some are melting. Don't buy into the propaganda.

[JKam]

polluting lakes/rives does not equal global warming. Thats fucking up the lake, not making the glaciers melt

[alwaysideways]

doesnt david suzuki drive a toyota FJ cruiser, a car that is not good on gas or that practical.

Not nearly as bad as the huge tour bus he travels around in. For someone who preaches global warming and cutting down on green house gases ect maybe he could start himself if he wanted to be taken seriously.

Global warming...not a big deal. Global pollution...BIG DEAL. Our oceans are filling up with plastic...not the best for fish/animals that live in it. Never mind the oil spills and oil run-off from our streets. Then the one I'm wondering about... How many nuclear powered submaines are sitting at the bottom of the ocean just corroding away waiting to let all that nice shit into the ocean? That'll be nice :)

Either way humans are fucking the planet whether or not global warming exists. Good job everyone :thumbsup: (myself included) LOL

[spyker]

Not nearly as bad as the huge tour bus he travels around in. For someone who preaches global warming and cutting down on green house gases ect maybe he could start himself if he wanted to be taken seriously.


If he was so concerned about the earth and greenhouse gases,he should be biking everywhere,not driving or riding in anything that has a internal cumbustion engine.

He should also convert his home to run on solar and windpower to power all his electrical appliances,I wonder if his stove,hot water heater and furnace all run on natural gas?

Shit,I think he should not even wear glasses,considering what it took to make them,the amount of greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere to make the steelframes and the glass lense.

I wonder if he has a problem with money too(although he has millions of it),cuase you know,you gotta gut down trees to make paper bills and melt steel,releasing toxic fumes into the air to make the coins.

[spyker]

she looks much better in person (im assuming you're referring to sari)

No thanks,I don't care how she looks,she is most likely one of those unshaven "save the planet tree hugging" hippie chicks that don't belive in deodorant.

[cococly]

growing? wtf?

I think humans have SOME effect on the environment. With all our garbage landfills, our polluting or diverting lakes and rivers, chopping down trees, oil spills.... you can't say that these man-made disasters doesn't impact on the environment at all. I think there is some effect, but I'm not sure exactly how much.

Regardless, it ain't good anyways.

Yes. Glaciers can grow in size, if the snow accumlation rate exceeds snow Ablation rate.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/Graphics-Geol/geomorph/longsect.gif

Diverting lakes and rivers could alter the local climate, but not to a gobal scale.
See Aral Sea.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Aral_Sea_1989-2008.jpg/240px-Aral_Sea_1989-2008.jpg

The Aral sea is only 5% of its formal size. Surrounding areas have been observed to be colder in winter and hotter in the summer.

Just a thought, I remembered some stupid newspaper article a few years ago were saying the gobal sea level is going to raise for 10m by 2020 or something.

What a Scam :D~

[alwaysideways]

Just a thought, I remembered some stupid newspaper article a few years ago were saying the gobal sea level is going to raise for 10m by 2020 or something.

What a Scam :D~


SWEET! I would be that much closer to owning beach front property! Hahaha

[jeffh]

What I wanna kno is who were the idiots arguing with me about this topic a few months ago? Also, to everyone saying humans don't effect the climate, where the hell were u when I was flame waring on this??
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pretty sure me and pup were there. either way, theres no way im spending hours regurgitating research for a bunch of punks on RS to read. im just glad this stuff is all ocmming to light before we royally fuck ourselves putting more $$ into Gore's pocket

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Scientists are liars. All of them. Down with science. Nuke the scientists.

dude if you're not gonna believe the scientists, who you gonna believe? the priests? haha...

I'm aware of what forum this is, I've been around for 5+ years.

Honestly I expected remotely intelligent remarks.

Your last comment implies that my input should be somehow discounted as it was only a "term paper" even though it was for my environmental sciences minor at university. It's a topic I'm passionate about and certainly know more about than you so i hardly think you are entitled to scoff at my experience.

...if you've been here for 5+ years you should know who you're arguing against. and he's far more qualified than you are.

[silk]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aycYfReNQtk/SclLeCIh4WI/AAAAAAAAAMI/l8n74gnyoOw/s400/Motivational_Poster_Global_Warming.jpg

[Crowtservo]

d
...if you've been here for 5+ years you should know who you're arguing against. and he's far more qualified than you are.

Qualified for what? You don't even know who I am.