[CivicTypeRice]

http://www.connpost.com/ci_13807681

[RCubed]

Anderson has been charged by State Police with two counts of second-degree manslaughter in the teens' deaths.



Horrible crash. RIP.

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

they didnt even have their sirens on..

[wouwou]

fucking skytrain

:D

[jeff19]

if i were in the mazda, i wouldnt have turned left, seeing someone coming that fast.....

[alex.w *//]

cop had the right of way, and the car shouldn't have turned left

[jeff_alexander]

Left turners at fault.

[PiuYi]

*read it wrong

[hirevtuner]

wow, just wow

[Dan_Guy]

how come when this happened to me ( turning left ) ICBC found me 100% at fault?

Fucking ICBC

[StylinRed]

^^^^^^because it is your fault


WTF were those left-turners thinking....


i had a similar situation today where i was driving through the parking lot and some old bitch came flying out of the intersection (where she had a stop sign) if i didnt slam my brakes i would have tboned her on her drivers side, i honked at her and she fucking told me to 'fuck off'

oO crazy bitch doesnt realize she could have gotten fucked up

[rsx]

It's the left-turners fault.

[Ferra]

the car taking the camera was traveling at 60-70mph, the other cop car that blew pass him was probably doing 30-40mph on top of that, so why the heck was he traveling at 160km/h on a city street w/o siren on?

[threezero]

agree with left turners fault, I though that even if the car going staight its still always the left turner's fault? why the manslaughter charge?

EDIT
nvm didn't read the state law part

[7seven]

Working in the private security field, I've worked and trained with many officers, military, etc.., and I usually can understand and see justification behind their actions, however I just can't in this case.

Mello confirmed that neither Milford cruiser had its light bar or siren on, and that neither officer was being dispatched to another call at the time of the crash.

State law requires police officers traveling without lights and sirens, and not dispatched on a call, to obey prevailing speed limits, the chief said.

Wynne said that he was told by state police that Anderson was traveling at 94 mph just before the impact. "That is 138 feet per second, which doesn't leave much reaction time for another driver,'' he said.

The speed limit on that street was 40mph (65 km/h), there was no reason for the officers to be traveling at that rate of speed, 94mph is 151 km/h, they weren't being dispatched or responding to a call or have their lightbar on. It is very likely the teens in the left turning vehicle had a hard time judging the rate of speed of the cruiser coming at them, especially at night. Still the left turning vehicle isn't without fault in this case, but the officer clearly messed up to.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

bad cop

[penner2k]

Wow @ you guys that are saying it was the left hand turn peoples fault...

The cop that hit the car had the throttle pinned for something like 9 seconds before the accident. I consider myself a pretty good driver but even I would have issues judging speed in a situation like this. When the drivers decided to make the left hand turn the two cop cars most likely were traveling the same speed. Obviously there would have been lots of time to make that turn if the cop didnt decide to floor it right at that point.

How can you people say it was the left turn persons fault when the cop was going close to 3 times the speed limit.

[JSALES]

damn!

[The_AK]

Thats another reason why you dont pass on the right. Oncoming vehicle making a turn may not see the passing car until it is too late as well as passing vehicle isn't able to see around the car it is passing if there is an oncoming car making a left turn.

[threezero]

^ +1

when I come with an intersection on the right with cars on the left i always slow down a bit and maybe flash my light so the left turn cars know.

[The_AK]

^
Never went as far as flashing lights, but whenever i'm about to go through an intersection i'll have my foot ready to brake and one hand ready for the horn. Its more of a subconscience action really

[- kT]

i'm sure most of you (if not all) are drivers, so you should know that it's hard to judge the rate of speed that somebody is doing if they're going in the oncoming direction from you.

it's very likely that the driver of the mazda didn't perceive the cop to be going as fast as he was (i wouldn't either, if his sirens weren't on) and made the turn thinking it was safe

regardless of who's fault it is, bottom line is that the cop should've had his siren on if he was going to be travelling at that speed, or slowed down.

[Dan_Guy]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

sorry... sarcasm...

[lowside67]

i always slow down a bit and maybe flash my light so the left turn cars know.

That is retarded... flashing your lights is the universal "Go ahead, I'll wait..." message... that is just begging for them to turn in front of you thinking you are signalling you are letting them through.

[bengy]

That is retarded... flashing your lights is the universal "Go ahead, I'll wait..." message... that is just begging for them to turn in front of you thinking you are signalling you are letting them through.

No, only idiots think that.

[InvisibleSoul]

The car turning left probably didn't even see the cop car coming.

The speed limit was 65kmph... so before he turned left, he probably looked like a block ahead, which is where you would normally need to check, and didn't see any cars there. Little did he expect that there would be someone travelling almost 160kmph bearing down on him. Probably at the moment he looked to see if there were any cars coming, the cop car was still like more than two blocks away, so it wasn't even in the zone of where you would normally check for oncoming cars.

[Harvey Specter]

That is retarded... flashing your lights is the universal "Go ahead, I'll wait..." message... that is just begging for them to turn in front of you thinking you are signalling you are letting them through.

Not true. Most truckers flash their lights to let turning vehicles know that they can't stop and I've even seen bus drivers do this. I've done in a few times in bad weather when I know I can't stop in time.

[seakrait]

^^^ that's why you don't flash your lights. not here in north america anyway where it could mean a multitude of things. in europe, it's a different story with the flashing of lights meaning, move out of the way.

here, you make the definite act of laying on the horn. that'll be not misconstrued in any way, shape, or form.

[lowside67]

No, only idiots think that.
Oh okay, so you get to a 4 way stop with another car at the same time, you both sit there for 10 seconds waiting for the other to go, he flashes his high beams at you, and you take that to mean that HE is going? That is idiotic.

As for the buses, they flash their lights as a thank you, not as a GTFO way.

The only universally accepted time that flashing your high beams is clearly "GO!" is when they are behind you and flashing you.

[seakrait]

^^^ i think a lot of it is context too. in your example, with both parties staring at each other for 10seconds, a flash of the lights does indicate "you go first" in north america.

still, when a car is in the opposing lane of traffic and you're about to cut across its path to make a left turn and he's flashing his lights at you and he doesn't seem to be slowing down... you'd get confused here in north america. does he mean go? does he mean watch out? in europe at least, that would mean watch out. here in n. america, it's not so clear.

i think because of the ambiguity of high beams/low beams, we CANNOT depend on them as indicators of other drivers' intentions on the road.

laying on the horn is definite.

these are things you learn real quick, esp. when you ride your (motor)bike in a non-bike cultured city.

[lowside67]

these are things you learn real quick, esp. when you ride your (motor)bike in a non-bike cultured city.
Exactly where I learned to not do that!

[threezero]

^^^ i think a lot of it is context too. in your example, with both parties staring at each other for 10seconds, a flash of the lights does indicate "you go first" in north america.

still, when a car is in the opposing lane of traffic and you're about to cut across its path to make a left turn and he's flashing his lights at you and he doesn't seem to be slowing down... you'd get confused here in north america. does he mean go? does he mean watch out? in europe at least, that would mean watch out. here in n. america, it's not so clear.

i think because of the ambiguity of high beams/low beams, we CANNOT depend on them as indicators of other drivers' intentions on the road.

laying on the horn is definite.

these are things you learn real quick, esp. when you ride your (motor)bike in a non-bike cultured city.


i didn't know it could be perceived in other in the context of coming to a non stop sign intersection, learn something new everyday. What I do is I flash my lights if relatively dark out, lots of cars/big truck on the left and I couldn't even see if there are any left turn cars, I would slow down and flash my light hopefully the reflection would let the also blinded would be left turner knows there is a car coming. If I have clear view of the intersection and as I'm approaching the left turn car seem like he wants to turn or already have its head stick out way too far I would honk. You're right honking is definite but i'm the type that reserves honking to when i absolutely need too or if i'm really really really really really piss.

[Meowjin]

has anyone said fucking pigs yet? This is revscene and all cops are fucking pigs according to everyoen on this site.

[Vansterdam]

fucked up

[EcLiPsEbOi]

i agree that the police officer shouldn't have been speeding but I will have to agree with some people that the left turner shouldn't have made that turn regardless of how fast the officer was going. It's obvious that the officer was braking when he saw the car turn left. I would like to point out that he was already basically entering the intersection when the car decided to turn left.... Also, I am pretty sure the police officer had head lights, and it's not like it was so foggy to see head lights of a car coming at you especially one that's at the beginning of the intersection when you decide to make that left.

[moomooCow]

Oh okay, so you get to a 4 way stop with another car at the same time, you both sit there for 10 seconds waiting for the other to go, he flashes his high beams at you, and you take that to mean that HE is going? That is idiotic.

As for the buses, they flash their lights as a thank you, not as a GTFO way.

The only universally accepted time that flashing your high beams is clearly "GO!" is when they are behind you and flashing you.

As stated already, it's all about the context. If I'm moving towards you already then it could only be a warning sign and not a "go ahead and turn, I'm going to slam on the brakes when you do! ;)"

[Ferra]

i didn't know it could be perceived in other in the context of coming to a non stop sign intersection, learn something new everyday. What I do is I flash my lights if relatively dark out, lots of cars/big truck on the left and I couldn't even see if there are any left turn cars, I would slow down and flash my light hopefully the reflection would let the also blinded would be left turner knows there is a car coming. If I have clear view of the intersection and as I'm approaching the left turn car seem like he wants to turn or already have its head stick out way too far I would honk. You're right honking is definite but i'm the type that reserves honking to when i absolutely need too or if i'm really really really really really piss.
Quick flickering hi-beam = "Go"
Hi-beams constant on = "Don't Go"

Generally speaking of course

[MR_BIGGS]

Only at a 4 way stop do I ever flick my lights on and off to tell the other driver to go. At a light controlled intersection, if you ain't stopping you best me laying on the horn. The cop should not have been going that fast.

[shenmecar]

holy crap! GG.

[hk20000]

for the flashing beam thing I think what you should do is hold the high beam up if you just want to make the left turner see you coming. If you turn the highbeam on throughout the intersection I think that leaves no room for misunderstanding.

Flashing could be disastrous....potentially.

[simsimi1004]

isn't it in the L book that you flash your highbeams to pass?

[GabAlmighty]

2 counts of manslaughter?

That'll turn into nothing more than a slap on the wrist..

[greendb7]

what were they street racing?

[you!]

this is what happens when cops street race ...ftl

vtec just kicked in yo

[dizzystar]

suspended with pay.

[bengy]

Oh okay, so you get to a 4 way stop with another car at the same time, you both sit there for 10 seconds waiting for the other to go, he flashes his high beams at you, and you take that to mean that HE is going? That is idiotic.

As for the buses, they flash their lights as a thank you, not as a GTFO way.

The only universally accepted time that flashing your high beams is clearly "GO!" is when they are behind you and flashing you.

Your example is idiotic. First, if we get there at the same time, he wants to turn, and I'm going straight, I have the right of way, so no, I would not be waiting 10 seconds for the tard to make up his mind, I would just go through, and if he turns, he better have good brakes :thumbsup:

[GabAlmighty]

what were they street racing?
never followed a cop car before eh?