[Leopold Stotch]

So i live in the area, and they sent me a letter recently about some new left turn lanes etc etc.

here's a shot of the diagram.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/shortcakesz/IMG_1182.jpg

so what they're proposing is to have TWO left turn lanes going westbound on 57th onto Knight st southbound and to have a left turn lane in both directions south and north on Knight st.

they're goign to have to removed the sidewalk on one side of knight st to make way for the extra lane, which will be construction and more delays for drivers.

i've been living in that area since i was 4, and i think with the dual turning lanes onto knight st bridge, more people will be able to get onto knight st, but not necessarily make your commute quicker as the bridge is normally quite backed up anyhow.

Seems like they're going to initiate this next year and it''ll be a trial run before anything is finalized.

so what do you guys think? will it be safer? will it be quicker?

[sonick]

YES!!!!! Southbound is terrible since the left lane is always super long with people trying to left turn. Northbound you always get d-bags who left turn during prohibited hours.

[tonyvu]

its about freakin time its always so packed during rush hours there

[sonick]

I don't really get the dual westbound left turn lanes, in my experience that lane is rarely ever that busy.

Where they really need left turn lanes are at Knight and 33rd.

[shenmecar]

I go by that intersection at least twice a day since I live around there and go to work in Richmond. Knight is 3 lanes anyways and rarely will people turn onto 57th from Knight, either southbound or northbound. I guess it will make my commute faster, but not by a lot.

They should instead put no left turn signs on 60-63th st. when going downhill (southbound) on Knight towards richmond. I've seen very many near accidents when somebody is tail gating and suddenly have to hard brake because the person in front is turning left onto those streets. Nobody will stick by the speed limit going downhill anyways.

[way2quik]

Got a letter in the mail last week about this.
Wasn't there a meeting that discussed about experimenting the two left turn lane or has it already been approved?

[GLOW]

might as well, i see douchebags doing illegal left turns in the non-turning lane in rush hour all the time. at least this way they wont cause an accident b/c people will be expecting another car turning next to them

[unit]

not really necessary southbound imo. i used to live on knight and going down towards richmond every day, 9/10 times there are no left turners on 57th at 830am.

going northbound is a little different. you cant turn left on 57th during the day so ppl turn left, right before the chevron (drives me crazy) and all along side streets intersecting knight. hate that! they def need the turning lane northbound.

[skyxx]

Housing is gonna get raped again. They removed some of the sidewalk many many years ago. Now the houses have no front lawns or sidwalks. LOl so sad...

[TheKingdom2000]

^^ that's the price of living near a major road artery.
that's just the way the cookie crumbles..

I don't really get the dual eastbound left turn lanes, in my experience that lane is rarely ever that busy.

Where they really need left turn lanes are at Knight and 33rd.

you mean westbound lanes... the two left turn lanes is on the east side.. but that doesn't mean it's eastbound...

anyways. having two turn lanes is fine at 57th because at the moment, there are two lanes that go westbound that no one really uses. So having one west bound lane would be fine. And after knight, 57th street is only one lane anyways..

[carisear]

what they need to do is pave over every body of water so that there are no bridges to bottleneck us.

heh, actually i don't mind this trial. at least it will service ALOT more people than that fucking cycling lane 'trial' on burrard st. bridge.

[hk20000]

dual left turn lanes on 57th 2thumbsup.

[CP.AR]

usually... trial = permanent.

Look at Burrard bike lanes... 2 weeks of trials and boom, its permanent - even though during the trial it proved to be a headache for many people

[danizer]

so is this like the 7-11 one? lol sweet i have to left turn there to get home afterschool :)
yay for traffic haha

[Teriyaki]

I don't really get the dual eastbound left turn lanes, in my experience that lane is rarely ever that busy.

Where they really need left turn lanes are at Knight and 33rd.

Quoted for Truth. I'm going to extend this and say they need left turn lanes on almost all the 33rd ave intersections. I've witnessed too many accidents at 33rd and Granville alone.

[ikki]

left turn lanes would be useful. no parking anytime on knight and that section of 57 would ease traffic a lot. the only thing that concerns me is how slow they would build it.

[Beefball]

before they spend the money just for one more left turn lane, which I think is useless... please fix the two small bumps westbound on 57th ave first
One is near the crosswalk and the other one right before where the left turn lane is. Anybody noticed it at all?

[snowball]

dual left turn lanes would be very usefull during rush hour, i used to commute that way and it was a sure pain in the ass.

[InvisibleSoul]

I don't really get the dual eastbound left turn lanes, in my experience that lane is rarely ever that busy.
Sometimes during rush hour, it is a problem where the left turn lane gets so backed up that it overflows onto the straight through lane and stops traffic...

[JulyZerg]

^ Canada Way/Willingdon intersection left turn towards BCIT, the straight-through lane is always backed up cause someone is trying to cut in or it's just really backed up.

[StealthFighter]

Sometimes during rush hour, it is a problem where the left turn lane gets so backed up that it overflows onto the straight through lane and stops traffic...

yeah, i've experienced this. i'm all for the idea. they should also have this on 33rd and knight. 41st and victoria should have this as well. damn annoying with left lane turners.

so 7-11 side is getting riped up?

[dkvby]

If they make the left turn lanes on Knight and 57th with advance left turn lights, traffic gonna be back up even more

[skyxx]

They should have just kept the Fraser street bridge with an expansion of 6 lanes. :/

[death_blossom]

They should have just kept the Fraser street bridge with an expansion of 6 lanes. :/

there was a Fraser street bridge?

While this extra left turn lane sounds good on paper, I'm not sure if it is necessary. This is gonna fill up Knight Street with cars coming in from the east end of 57th. It won't allow those coming from the north or west to cross that intersection.

[TheKingdom2000]

WAIT A SEC.

Are these just new left turn LANES? and NO lights?
because right now. at that intersection the only left turn LIGHT is going westbound turning onto Knight street.

or are they proposing to put left turn lights on all 4 intersections? and if they are.. that is stupid..
going eastbound on 57th does not need a left turn light at all.

[TRDood]

dual lanes are good
theres no need to dig up knight for half a year for minimal benefits...

look at 49th and knight. it was 9 months of nightmare!
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[sonick]

you mean westbound lanes... the two left turn lanes is on the east side.. but that doesn't mean it's eastbound...

Yes, thanks. That was a brainfart on my part, it was the end of a workday :haha:

[notching]

crosswalk and sidewalk are different

[vo_hantu]

WAIT A SEC.

Are these just new left turn LANES? and NO lights?
because right now. at that intersection the only left turn LIGHT is going westbound turning onto Knight street.

or are they proposing to put left turn lights on all 4 intersections? and if they are.. that is stupid..
going eastbound on 57th does not need a left turn light at all.

They have to adjust the signal timing when they change the lane configuration. I don't know what's out there, but from the diagram I would assume it's a split-phase traffic signal westbound/eastbound...so that means one side of the traffic goes first and then the other due to the geometry.

If it's "trial" it probably means permanent since they will be painting the roads lol. It's a "trial" for the drivers to get used to.

In theory it should work since the work is based on a traffic analysis/models...

Like some of you guys said before..I think they need to fix the volume along knight st bridge and not the approaching intersections lol

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i guess its good they got a specific lane for the left turn vehicles

[death_blossom]

Are these just new left turn LANES? and NO lights?
because right now. at that intersection the only left turn LIGHT is going westbound turning onto Knight street.

or are they proposing to put left turn lights on all 4 intersections? and if they are.. that is stupid..
going eastbound on 57th does not need a left turn light at all.you are right, it's the westbound lane that is getting a SECOND left turn lane.
i guess its good they got a specific lane for the left turn vehiclesthere already is a specific left turn lane, they are adding a second one.

[InvisibleSoul]

there was a Fraser street bridge?

Yes, it was one of the revelations in the Vancouver History thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?t=587745&highlight=fraser+bridge).

The bridge to Richmond used to be on Fraser Street, and it connected straight with No. 5 Rd.

[slammer111]

OP: If that info sheet is a COV referendum, please vote yes.

[ziggyx]

They need to throw in a left turn light for kingsway and fraser..going towards downtown on kingsway turning left to fraser. During peak hours that left turn is brutal. You have a line up of busses and cars that go pass the entire left turning lane itself. You only get to see like 2 cars or 1 bus doing the turn every light. So if you're at the back of the line you have to wait through 5 or 6 lights until you can actually turn left. I usually try to avoid it. But I guess knight and 33rd/57th are even worse lol. I'm glad they're finally doing something about knight and 57th.

[distanc3]

^ but the 25 bus is only temporary until they reopen king edward (which btw took forever to repair)

makes my dragonball bbt a hassle =(

[Qmx323]

does this lane make it easier to get to the mcdonalds

[hotjoint]

holy shit, its about time. I've said this since forever

[Alatar]

Yes, it was one of the revelations in the Vancouver History thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/showthread.php?t=587745&highlight=fraser+bridge).

The bridge to Richmond used to be on Fraser Street, and it connected straight with No. 5 Rd.

Good 'ol wooden bridge.

[q0192837465]

It will definitely make it easier to get back onto the left turn lane after getting gas from Petro Canada. I dun think it's necessary to have a 2nd left turn lane, but I'm not against it either.