[s2k_powa]

I know the demographic of RS tends to be a little childish with these types of topics but it's an honest question, so could we please keep it on topic?

I would like to know is there a type of martial-arts, like MMA, muay-thai, kick boxing or boxing that would be best to learn/have the knowledge of during a street fight? I'm not asking this cause I want to start shit but it's just to protect myself as you know people these days kids loves to start shit for no reason and it's better to know how to protect yourself/self-defense then to rely on someone there to help you.

I know that some forms of martial-arts are pretty much useless in a street fight, I also know that anything goes during a street-fight, like weapons and what-not.

Mods feel free to move this to Sports section but I thought this topic should be better suited in OT.

[TOS'd]

Neither of those.

On the streets, you fight to kill.

[notching]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu0rMM0iV7A

[illicitstylz]

I considered taking mma lessons over summer with this exact intent in mind, plus interest in the sport as well.

However, when it comes to real life and practicality in a street fight, I figured you bshould just use any weapon you can in order to give yourslef the advantage. A baseball bat should theoretically always be better in a street fight than a fighting technique, unless he's a ninja of course.
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[Eclypz]

Just learn to walk away...it's more effective.

Knowing how to fight gets you into more trouble than you know. It's always in the back of your mind that "I'm probably more trained than this guy...let's put my 3 years fighting training to use". Trained fighters don't walk away from fights....an untrained person will, and it's almost always the better decision.

And all it takes is for the guy to pull weapon on you....game over.

[Shead]

^wat if he is being cornered?then u cant walk away and must fight

[Eclypz]

^wat if he is being cornered?then u cant walk away and must fight

How often is some random guy going to corner you to fight you for no reason?
When push comes to shove, you'll defend yourself, whether you had any training or not.

[fishing666]

kick the guy in the balls and run like hell.
u do whatever u can to get out of the danger

[s2k_powa]

then he probably did something to deserve it. People don't hurt each other for no reason. And you don't have to be trained to defend yourself. When push comes to shove, you'll defend yourself, whether you had any training or not.

That's false. For instance my friend was walking home and he had a pair of earphones on, they weren't even white or ipod ones. The guys kicked the shit outta him and jacked him up. I'm sure he didn't provoke them or anything cause hes one of the nicest guys I know.

[Shead]

touche.

[Eclypz]

That's false. For instance my friend was walking home and he had a pair of earphones on, they weren't even white or ipod ones. The guys kicked the shit outta him and jacked him up. I'm sure he didn't provoke them or anything cause hes one of the nicest guys I know.

he got blind sided....unless your training gave you eyes on the back of your head, you wouldn't have seen it coming regardless.

[spoon.ek9]

I know the demographic of RS tends to be a little childish with these types of topics but it's an honest question, so could we please keep it on topic?

I would like to know is there a type of martial-arts, like MMA, muay-thai, kick boxing or boxing that would be best to learn/have the knowledge of during a street fight? I'm not asking this cause I want to start shit but it's just to protect myself as you know people these days kids loves to start shit for no reason and it's better to know how to protect yourself/self-defense then to rely on someone there to help you.

I know that some forms of martial-arts are pretty much useless in a street fight, I also know that anything goes during a street-fight, like weapons and what-not.

Mods feel free to move this to Sports section but I thought this topic should be better suited in OT.


out of curiosity, which types of martial arts do you think are useless in a fight?

[Eclypz]

btw, just to clarify something. I have nothing against training so long as its for the right reasons. I have seen too many of my friends go this route to "protect themselves" and end up being the aggressor, because they know they can kick everybody's ass. (some do it for the art...some do it to stay fit, etc)

To an extent, this is no different than saying "I'm going to buy a gun to protect myself against all the others with guns out there"

[spoon.ek9]

it's never a bad idea to learn how to protect yourself. when and why you use that knowledge is up to you.

[NSX]

There are too many variables in a street fight. Thing is, when youre fighting on the streets, there are no rules, and where there are no rules, its fighting for survival. You never know what the other person is going to do. If a guy pulls out a machete, no type or style of martial arts will save you. (perfect example is that thead where the cop got slashed.) Weapons, size, speed, Number of people, cheap shots, blindside, jump from behind, etc...all comes into play. People take whatever advantage they can get...not to win, but to survive.


Best suggestion here is actually from Eclypse. Walk away, use your communication skills, and just give up your pride and whatever material they want from you.

Having said that, the best type of martial arts is something that will stop your opponent quick and fast, not the bestlooking....perhaps one that involves kicking the nuts, gouging the eyes, pressure points, and breaking small joints.

Heres a vid. Seems silly, but a lot of truth in it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHFPzNrkKQ0

[spyker]

Next summer,I plan on taking a trip down to L.A for a few weeks to learn krav Maga from a former Israeli spec-ops insctructor that has a training studio down there.He trains LAPD officers and prison gaurds and anyone else who wants to learn.

Currently I have been trained in Filipino knife fighting,it's a pretty brutal form of martial arts if your the guy on the recieving end.

I have walked away from many fights,I do not feel like fighting anyone and risk getting hurt.The worst part of a fight is,what if the guy your fighting has Hepatitus C or AIDS?

[spyker]

That's false. For instance my friend was walking home and he had a pair of earphones on, they weren't even white or ipod ones. The guys kicked the shit outta him and jacked him up. I'm sure he didn't provoke them or anything cause hes one of the nicest guys I know.

Your friend should never be walking alone at night with headphones on.

The only time I walk at night with my ipod with headphones on,is when I'm out walking the dog,I can get away with it cause I have a pitbull right beside me.Other than that,I won't walk at night with headphones on......ever.

[Meowjin]

Your friend should never be walking alone at night with headphones on.

The only time I walk at night with my ipod with headphones on,is when I'm out walking the dog,I can get away with it cause I have a pitbull right beside me.Other than that,I won't walk at night with headphones on......ever.

EAST VAN. HARDCORE.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[PiuYi]

out of curiosity, which types of martial arts do you think are useless in a fight?

"tai gik" granny style :lol

[Volvoman]

you mean tai chi?

Anyways, if you're getting jacked, best is to give up whatever it is. You can be a man and fight but if the dude has a gat under his shirt, game over..all for an ipod.

However, if you're in a backyard streetfight and you know you're throwing down with another dude, thats different. Thats why Kimbo never got stabbed

[jlo mein]

Next summer,I plan on taking a trip down to L.A for a few weeks to learn krav Maga from a former Israeli spec-ops insctructor that has a training studio down there.He trains LAPD officers and prison gaurds and anyone else who wants to learn.


I've heard there's Krav Maga training in downtown Vancouver. Always thought about trying it but I would prefer to go with a friend and none of mine are interested.

To OP: Best self-defense technique to learn would be sprinting. Being able to quickly avoid a fight is the best self-defense.

[azzurro32]

To answer your question I would say boxing. Be logical, you aren't going to bust an armbar during a street fight. I've thought about Steven segals style, but that looks much easier in the movies, and you need years to pull off a move like that fluently.

So take boxing, get in shape and learn to throw precise strong punches if your not gonna walk away.
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[s2k_powa]

spoon.ek9: Nothing in particular but I mean the flashy stuff, like some martial-arts are extremely flashy and could easily be countered.

"Sprinting" is a good idea but your SO or family member might not be as quick of a runner as you.

azzurro32: Exactly! I doubt busting an arm-bar or something of the likes is any useful during a all-out street fight. Boxing is a good suggestion or maybe kick-boxing might be good too.

[jdmhaze]

just makes it look too easy...

http://i25.tinypic.com/2backg.gif
http://i25.tinypic.com/2dkenap.gif

[Leopold Stotch]

kick him in the shins
or palm him in the nose.

that usually gets the job done.

although i've never done both so...

[Kamui712]

fights tend to be up close hand to hand and more often than not end up on the ground.

Boxing, Wing Chun, JuJitsu are pretty good.

I've done various martial arts, Jujitsu was really good for on the ground and submissions. Boxing and wing chun are good for fast/accurate hits.

Really... it depends most on who's teaching, and your own abilities.

I'd recommend NOT fighting at all if possible.

[SkinnyPupp]

Learn some BJJ. You will get mad street cred if you put a guy in a triangle during a fight! ;)

[CanadaGoose]

The best self defense is not looking like a sucker to begin with... your friend should've NEVER been walking at night with headphones on, that was a very dumb idea. You wouldn't walk around blind folded at night, so why would anyone walk around with basically ear plugs in? Building that street sense and always being aware of the situation you're in is going to help you a lot more then any self defense class ever will.

But for self defense, you NEED a weapon. Because it doesn't matter how much training in anything you have, if someone rushes you with a pipe, a bat, a machete or an icepick, you're done. So keep a weapon in your trunk, and if something goes down, make a run for your car (yes, run away first) and THEN decide if you want to come back. Otherwise just run and stay away safe, or if you really think it's worth it use your car as a weapon. Getting jumped on the streets is no joke, people get mangled, their faces busted over curbs, stabbed with dirty weapons, put in wheelchairs for life... don't believe you have to stay and fight, you can always run and live to fight another day.

[LengJai]

well as eclypz said, learn to walk away
at my gym, tho we train muay thai, BJJ, best method, is ALWAYS the ABCs
Avoid [the problem first hand]
Breathe [relax yourself, dont' get yourself heated]
Communicate [Use your words]

following those is, if all else fails, then kick the guy's ass
but in all circumstances, it all starts with avoiding, whether it be avoiding situations where shit could occur, avoiding areas, certain gatherings, people, etc etc

besides, once you have the ability to severly hurt someone, you don't want to. for me anyway, i am a real hothead, but ever since i started training a few years ago, my temper has gone down cuz of the responsibility

like spiderman says, with great power comes great responsbility, use your spidey sense and try to bang felicia harding and mary jane at the same time

[CanadaGoose]

like spiderman says, with great power comes great responsbility, use your spidey sense and try to bang felicia harding and mary jane at the same time

Wahh~ ho leng jai, because SPIDEYSENSE is going to help you more then any martial art on the street. Avoiding getting yourself into a situation is a lot easier then trying to dig your way out of one.

[GLOW]

just take a self defense course and boxing as stated above. self defense courses should teach you how to act, think, and avoid being a victim if possible. such as not walking around at night with headphones on, taking away a vital sense: hearing. and also when you know there's trouble you cant get out of, how to look meek and use surprise to your advantage.

and whoever said tai chi is useless, i hope that's a joke

[jeff_alexander]

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[SkinnyPupp]

Press play (http://www.myxer.com/ringtone:246350/) :D

[Supafly]

Press play (http://www.myxer.com/ringtone:246350/) :D

:haha:

[spoon.ek9]

spoon.ek9: Nothing in particular but I mean the flashy stuff, like some martial-arts are extremely flashy and could easily be countered.

"Sprinting" is a good idea but your SO or family member might not be as quick of a runner as you.

azzurro32: Exactly! I doubt busting an arm-bar or something of the likes is any useful during a all-out street fight. Boxing is a good suggestion or maybe kick-boxing might be good too.

if you're talking about something like wushu, then yes i agree. you're not exactly gonna do a no-hand cartwheel in a street fight :lol

"tai gik" granny style :lol

just because a technique is practiced slow, does not mean it's useless ;)
you'd be surprised how many grannies and grandpas who would kick your ass

[nack]

krav maga, hands down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcyrGuUnmMk

EDIT: if you get bullied, send a video explaining your problem to Mayhem from Bully Beatdown. :{D

[s2k_powa]

The best self defense is not looking like a sucker to begin with... your friend should've NEVER been walking at night with headphones on, that was a very dumb idea. You wouldn't walk around blind folded at night, so why would anyone walk around with basically ear plugs in? Building that street sense and always being aware of the situation you're in is going to help you a lot more then any self defense class ever will.


It's best you don't jump to conclusions :) It was around 3:30-4:30pm, even in the Winter the sun would still be brightly visible. I never asked him if he had his headphones on or not, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as well.

[cococly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGL-JIs3as

[GFunk]

That's false. For instance my friend was walking home and he had a pair of earphones on, they weren't even white or ipod ones. The guys kicked the shit outta him and jacked him up. I'm sure he didn't provoke them or anything cause hes one of the nicest guys I know.

It's best you don't jump to conclusions :) It was around 3:30-4:30pm, even in the Winter the sun would still be brightly visible. I never asked him if he had his headphones on or not, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as well.

Why wouldn't he assume that his headphone were on considering YOU were the one that said they were in the first place

[s2k_powa]

Why wouldn't he assume that his headphone were on considering YOU were the one that said they were in the first place

Ooo I can see how that can be miss-interpreted. My bad, but I'm not sure if he had them on or took them off when he was walking or when he just got off the bus. :thumbsup: better?

[AzNightmare]

In my opinion, people should learn/train martial arts because to stay fit and for the enjoyment of learning the martial art.

It can be used for self defense, but probably best if you would never have to use it outside of an official event.

Too many factors take place in a street fight for any martial arts to really be practical.
And if you get jumped by a few guys... chances are, you wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

Real Life is not like Ong Bak and Jackie Chan movies.

[spyker]

I've heard there's Krav Maga training in downtown Vancouver. Always thought about trying it but I would prefer to go with a friend and none of mine are interested.


There is,I think 2-3 places that teach it,but I want to learn it from this particular instructor in L.A.He is one of the best in the world when it comes to Krav Maga.You should just go yourself,you will quickly make new friends while your learning.

To OP,never carry a weapon on you if you don't know how to use it,especially if your being confronted.The last thing you want to happen is have the weapon being taken away from you and used against you by the attacker.

[kangel]

Like what endless said, use a weapon. go to canadian tires and buy urself a can of bearmace and use it when u feal threaten

[Gh0stRider]

hehe..bas rutten

[Ch28]

I've heard there's Krav Maga training in downtown Vancouver. Always thought about trying it but I would prefer to go with a friend and none of mine are interested.

To OP: Best self-defense technique to learn would be sprinting. Being able to quickly avoid a fight is the best self-defense.

Msg 7seven.

He has krav maga training and will be able to point you in the right direction.

[Gh0stRider]

fitness world offers Krav Maga, but don't go there..lol

[GabAlmighty]

I can beat up everyone, I have no fear. hahaha

[dimsum119]

Just learn to walk away...it's more effective.

Knowing how to fight gets you into more trouble than you know. It's always in the back of your mind that "I'm probably more trained than this guy...let's put my 3 years fighting training to use". Trained fighters don't walk away from fights....an untrained person will, and it's almost always the better decision.

And all it takes is for the guy to pull weapon on you....game over.

I tend to disagree in my own case anyways, Ive had 9 yrs of training in muay thai and a 7 years in bjj. For myself, knowing how to fight and what I CAN do the person has stopped me from fighting adn also the training helps you calm down and attempt to talk it out first.

I believe the ones who don't know how to fight would be the ones actually scrapping it out because they have something to prove whether to themselves or others. Ones who train extensively for a long tend not to fight unless absolutely forced to.

[notching]

learn sanshou

[GabAlmighty]

I tend to disagree in my own case anyways, Ive had 9 yrs of training in muay thai and a 7 years in bjj. For myself, knowing how to fight and what I CAN do the person has stopped me from fighting adn also the training helps you calm down and attempt to talk it out first.

I believe the ones who don't know how to fight would be the ones actually scrapping it out because they have something to prove whether to themselves or others. Ones who train extensively for a long tend not to fight unless absolutely forced to.
I agree with this. It teaches you discipline and self control. All that matters is that YOU know what you can do to the guy.

[spoon.ek9]

^ bingo (for the last 2 comments)

[Nintensity]

A buddy of mine teaches Krav Maga. Good guy. Teaches down in Richmond Marial Arts.

for sure I have to agree with some of the people here. I wouldnt say martial arts is useless in a fight, as it trains you to become more aware with your surroundings and helps you with your reflexes, but other than that, you're a lone puppy on the battlefield here. There's too many variables that can happen, and all it takes is just a weapon to end the fight.

My 15 years in Martial arts, I have never expereinced an encounter. And if one day that time comes, a simple 'no, I don't want to fight' and walking away is all that it takes to save myself from harm.
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