[Harvey Specter]

A hamburger isn't, by itself, a terrible nutritional choice. Topped with some lettuce and tomato, ketchup, and mustard—and placed in a relatively small bun—a burger is a high-protein treat that shouldn't pack too much fat or too many calories. But just as country music went from skinny little Hank Williams playing honky-tonks to Garth Brooks touring stadiums—and just as baseball went from wiry Jackie Robinson stealing home to muscle-bound Barry Bonds stealing homers—so have our burgers evolved from lean and simple to very fat and complicated.

How hard has it become to decode the once-simple hamburger? Get a load of these. With Eat This, Not That! 2010 we've unearthed the biggest fast-food burger bombs in America, and offer reasonable and delicious alternatives.


http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_cheeseburger_w_everything.jpg
Worst Cheeseburger with Everything

Wendy’s Double with Everything and Cheese
700 calories
40 g fat (17 g saturated, 2 g trans)
1,440 mg sodium

In the pantheon of fast-food burgers, this cannot compete with the atrocities wrought by the Double Whoppers and Six Dollar Burgers of the world. But there are too many burgers at Wendy’s to end up with this mistake. Take the Double Stack below—with small chili—for example. With 37 grams of protein and 6 grams of fiber, it might be the most satisfying $2 meal in America.

Bonus tip: Find out which Wendy’s burger meal made our list of the 39 Healthiest Foods in America.

Eat This Instead!
Double Stack with Small Chili
550 calories
24 g fat (10.5 g saturated, 1 g trans)
1,640 mg sodium



http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_burger_and_fries.jpg

Worst Burger and Fries
In-N-Out Burger Hamburger and French Fries
790 calories
37 g fat (10 g saturated)
895 mg sodium

You’re heading into dangerous territory whenever you add fries to your order at In-N-Out. Sure, they’re trans-fat-free, but that won’t protect you from the 400 greasy, gut-bloating calories they carry. Instead, skip the fries and get serious about your burger. In-N-Out was offering up the low-carb treat long before other restaurants started making money off the Atkins craze. Take advantage of their prescience—and the 150-calorie savings—by simply tacking the phrase “protein style” onto your order.
Bonus tip: Another way to shed pounds quickly? Download Eat This, Not That! to your iPhone. It's like having your own personal nutritionist (and details on 30,000 foods) at your fingertips!

Eat This Instead!
Protein Style Double-Double with grilled onion, ketchup, and mustard
440 calories
30 g fat (16 g saturated)
1,080 mg sodium



http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_plain_cheeseburger.jpg

Worst Plain Cheeseburger
Five Guys Cheeseburger (plain)
840 calories
55 g fat (22.5 g saturated)
1,050 mg sodium

Even if you get the regular (i.e., bi-pattied) cheeseburger naked, you’ll still be taking in more than 250 calories and 20 grams of fat extra over the seemingly decadent bacon and sauteed mushroom burger. That’s because what Five Guys calls a “Little Burger,” healthy people call a “normal burger.” Plus, if you limit yourself to a single beef patty, you can get away with a couple of indulgent toppings like cheese or bacon.

Eat This Instead!
Little Bacon Burger with Sauteed Mushrooms and A1 Steak Sauce
575 calories
33 g fat (14.5 g saturated)
920 mg sodium



http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_burger_breed.jpg

Worst Burger Brand
Carl’s Jr. Six Dollar Burger
890 calories
54 g fat (20 g saturated, 2 g trans)
2,040 mg sodium

What’s scary about the basic Six Dollar Burger is that with the exception of the bunless version, this is the leanest of the Six Dollar Burgers. That’s not a compliment—the rest of the line is just trashed beyond repair with egregious piles of bacon, guacamole, and teriyaki sauce. When at Carl’s, choose a Big Hamburger instead. Sure it’s big, but it’s not so big that you’re going to have to spend the next 3 days recovering. In fact, kids’ burgers aside, this is the only hamburger offered that won’t cost you in excess of 500 calories.

Eat This Instead!
Big Hamburger
460 calories
17 g fat (8 g saturated, 0.5 g trans)
1,090 mg sodium



http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_original_burger.jpg

Worst “Original” Burger
Hardee’s Original Thickburger (1/3 lb)
910 calories
64 g fat (21 g saturated)
1,560 mg sodium

Shockingly, this is one of the least offensive of the Thickburgers. If you really need 1/3 pound of meat for lunch, make it the low-carb version and save yourself 490 calories. Or, choose a Double Cheeseburger, instead. It’s far from a model of sound nutrition, but the same could be said of Hardee’s itself. So if you want a burger with substance, you need to settle for the lesser of many evils.

Bonus tip: Find out which burgers and other fast-food favorites we picked on our must-see list of Top Swaps for Weight Loss.

Eat This Instead!
Double Cheeseburger
510 calories
26 g fat (5 g saturated)
1,120 mg sodium



http://www.menshealth.com/images/MensHealth/Yahoo_fast_food_cheeseburger.jpg

Worst Fast-Food Cheeseburger in America
Burger King Triple Whopper Sandwich with Cheese and Mayo
1,250 calories
84 g fat (32 g saturated, 3.5 g trans)
1,600 mg sodium

This Triple Whopper is triple trouble. You could remove two patties and still be looking at more calories than you should tussle with in one sitting. And the fact that it’s got more trans fat than you should eat in a day only adds insult to injury. The problem with BK burgers is that not a single one comes without the heart-harming trans-fatty acids, despite their long-standing promise to (someday) make their menu trans-fat-free. Your best bet when dealing with the King is to choose a chicken sandwich instead.

Eat This Instead!
Tendergrill Chicken Sandwich with Mayo
490 calories
21 g fat (4 g saturated, 0 g trans)
1,220 mg sodium

[Qmx323]

i always stop by taco bell when i'm down in the states

its time to stop for some of these now :)

[!SG]

good god, triple whopper? ive never even had a double whopper!

[AVS_Racing]

all of those look delicious

[El Bastardo]

Aw. I always thought In'N'Out Burger was bulletproof.

[SkinnyPupp]

Fail.

They keep focusing on the fat content and "calories". That's not what makes fast food bad.

The information cascade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade) continues.

[carisear]

good god, triple whopper? ive never even had a double whopper!

my buddy ordered a Quopper years ago ... never again.

[willystyle]

The Carl's Jr 6 dollar burger is fuckin money, it's awesome..

same goes for the In N' Out burger.. fuck this article.. :)

[hal0g0dv2]

last one looks good

[ilvtofu]

Had McDix today, pleasantly surprised how few calories my big mac actually contained :)

[LiquidTurbo]

Fail.

They keep focusing on the fat content and "calories". That's not what makes fast food bad.

The information cascade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade) continues.

So why are you allowed to give fails but not receive them? I find that hilarious. Self conscious much?


So what exactly makes fast food bad, if it's not the high fat content and sodium?

[orange7]

Read the title and was expecting mcD to be on the list.

[BinsentoW]

So why are you allowed to give fails but not receive them? I find that hilarious. Self conscious much?


So what exactly makes fast food bad, if it's not the high fat content and sodium?

He never mentioned sodium in his post. He said fat and calories

[SkinnyPupp]

So why are you allowed to give fails but not receive them? I find that hilarious. Self conscious much?


So what exactly makes fast food bad, if it's not the high fat content and sodium?
Sugar, sugar, sugar, and the fat that they cook things in (vegetable oil with trans fats).

Eating a lot of beef and cheese and bacon isn't going to make you fat, or unhealthy (actually it's exactly the opposite). Eating garbage like fries, non-diet soda, and other garbage cooked in hydrogenated oil is what makes fast food bad.

[!SG]

at the same time, its still a lot of calories and mass of food at one sitting!

Sugar, sugar, sugar, and the fat that they cook things in (vegetable oil with trans fats).

Eating a lot of beef and cheese and bacon isn't going to make you fat, or unhealthy (actually it's exactly the opposite). Eating garbage like fries, non-diet soda, and other garbage cooked in hydrogenated oil is what makes fast food bad.

[Meowjin]

Sugar, sugar, sugar, and the fat that they cook things in (vegetable oil with trans fats).

Eating a lot of beef and cheese and bacon isn't going to make you fat, or unhealthy (actually it's exactly the opposite). Eating garbage like fries, non-diet soda, and other garbage cooked in hydrogenated oil is what makes fast food bad.

i think being greek would disagree withy ou.

[Culture_Vulture]

And you know what else?
We can't get most of these in Vancouver!

/fuck

[SkinnyPupp]

at the same time, its still a lot of calories and mass of food at one sitting!
Yeah! That's a whole other issue though

[!SG]

thats actually the sick part about eating in the states at fast food joints. its not so much how greasy or how fattening the food is. its the sheer size and portion. Here, our "regular" is the "small" size in the states. the worse mistake u can do is supersizing ur fries, u get a bucket, a BUCKET of fries!

[SkinnyPupp]

Yup I totally agree. It's disgusting to eat so much food at once. These burgers are totally absurd! But the whole anti-fat slant the article takes is irritating. It just continues the BS 'information cascade' (I love that term! It's perfect for this, and global warming :D) that has been going on since the 80's.

But I find AYCE sushi places far more disturbing than any of these burgers.. Seeing people stuff themselves sick with low quality sushi and huge gobs of rice.. eww!

[Matsuda]

half the world is starving, the other half is eating themselves to death with hamburgers and pounds of fries. Makes me wanna....mmmm fries..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

shit now im hungry looking at those unhealthy burgers

:haha:

[Preemo]

You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.

It hurt going down.

=(

[tgill]

good god, triple whopper? ive never even had a double whopper!
http://i49.tinypic.com/98eq9k.jpg
:haha:

[CorneringArtist]

You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.

It hurt going down.

=(

I want to try the Baconator. My brother tells me it's good.

Was it a stroke on a bun kind of feeling when you ate it?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.

It hurt going down.

=(

ate that 2 times in my life, never again

by the time u finish you will be gulping down a XL coke just so you can wash out all the grease

[hotong]

no wonder america is ffull of fat fucks

[LiquidTurbo]

Fail.

They keep focusing on the fat content and "calories". That's not what makes fast food bad.

The information cascade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade) continues.

LOL. I'd fail you if I could. You might as well remove your "Failed 0 times" Out of your signature!

Sugar, sugar, sugar, and the fat that they cook things in (vegetable oil with trans fats).

Eating a lot of beef and cheese and bacon isn't going to make you fat, or unhealthy (actually it's exactly the opposite). Eating garbage like fries, non-diet soda, and other garbage cooked in hydrogenated oil is what makes fast food bad.

Sugar, sugar, sugar = Calories. Which contradicts your first post.
Guess what the processed cheese contains? Hydrogenated palm oils! And the processed beef patties are loaded with saturated fat.

So focusing on calorie / fat content is definitely a valid concern.

[!SG]

sugar = calories, but its also how ur body can burn it.

say u eat protein, yes its calories too, but ur body has to break it down first to get at the calories. think of it as a game w/ a time limit. sugar on the other hand. now once u eat that, it can be instantly burned. this is what is bad for you! spikes your sugar gluclose levels right up, and this is whats unhealthy!

fats, that im not too sure on. im not fully educated on this, but if i see saturated fats, i try to keep those on the minimum. unsaturated is the better choice.

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL. I'd fail you if I could. You might as well remove your "Failed 0 times" Out of your signature!



Sugar, sugar, sugar = Calories. Which contradicts your first post.
Guess what the processed cheese contains? Hydrogenated palm oils! And the processed beef patties are loaded with saturated fat.

So focusing on calorie / fat content is definitely a valid concern.
You are so wrong, I can hardly think of how to respond to your post. I'll try though, and I am not going to be rude or confrontational here. Just follow:

I agree that fake cheese is disgusting. And it's part of what I talked about when I said that there are many things that are bad in fast food.

But the point is, this stupid article focuses on none of it. Instead, they lump it all together into two categories: Fat and Calories. It's just spreading the ignorance, and your post is a perfect example of what this sort of misinformation causes.

We'll just ignore your "all calories are the same" comment. It is so fundamentally wrong, that I am not even going to bother with it. Go read. But regarding this article... Fact is, the only good thing in these burgers is the meat. If it's just ground beef with nothing added, it is perfectly healthy. Saturated fat is good for you and will lower your bad cholesterol levels and triglycerides. Protein of course is good for you too.

So skip the disgusting chemical they call "cheese" and lose half the bun when you go for a triple whopper. You'll get a lot of good protein, a lot of good saturated fat, some lettuce, tomatoes, a little bit of unhealthy garbage "mayonnaise" and some carbs from the half-bun. It goes from being a disgusting freak of nature food to something that is healthier than most people eat on a day to day basis ;)

Not something we should all be eating every single day, but perfectly fine for when you want fast food. Skipping it and going with a dry chicken breast burger with no sauce but having it fries and a non-diet Coke would be far, far worse. Or one of those chicken salads drenched in disgusting dressing...

[LiquidTurbo]

Saturated fat is good for you and will lower your bad cholesterol levels and triglycerides..

That's straight up wrong.


From:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html

"Saturated fats boost total cholesterol by elevating harmful LDL. Like all dietary fat, saturated fat also raises the protective HDL.Unsaturated fat is much preferable since it lowers the bad cholesterol and raises the good. "

What can I do to lower my total cholesterol and LDL?
Several strategies can help you lower the amounts of total and harmful LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream, and thus your risk of heart disease:

Exercise regularly.
Aim for a healthy body weight.
Avoid trans fats.
Limit foods rich in saturated fat, like red meat and whole milk, ice cream, and other full-fat dairy foods.
Focus on foods rich in unsaturated fats, dietary fiber, and healthful protein. Fruits, vegetables, fish, beans, nuts, and seeds are all excellent choices."



My source is the Harvard School of Public's Health's opinion, as is many other reputable sources. What's yours?

[Lomac]

You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.

It hurt going down.

=(

I :love: the Baconator. There's just something great about a burger that doesn't even bother with a token leaf of lettuce.

I'll only get one maybe once a month and only when I know I'm going to have an extra hour or so afterwards to "drop the kids off at the pool."

[LiquidTurbo]

^ Hahaha. That's hilarious. While I understand the charm of the Baconator, I personally can't eat any burgers from fast food. Much prefer burgers from a pub, or a nice reputable burger shack. Yum.

[Harvey Specter]

They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac.

[LiquidTurbo]

They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac.

They can claim that all they want. The place to get the one of the best burgers in the Lower Mainland is the Guildford Station Pub. Only like $2 more than a Bigmac Meal.

http://assets.urbanspoon.com/w/s/NX/i3thlttb5qlfSX-640m.jpg

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/14/1309168/restaurant/Vancouver/Guildford-Station-Pub-Surrey

Damn. This thread is making me hungry.

[goo3]

thats actually the sick part about eating in the states at fast food joints. its not so much how greasy or how fattening the food is. its the sheer size and portion. Here, our "regular" is the "small" size in the states. the worse mistake u can do is supersizing ur fries, u get a bucket, a BUCKET of fries!

LOL..

what i don't understand is just because they give it to you, it doesn't mean you have to finish it.

[RenoMan]

i remember when im working outside, i mean freeze your balls of tempurature i'll eat 2 baconators , some chicken strips, fries and coke and this on a consistent basis. drooling thinking about it...

[LiquidTurbo]

Your sources dont mean anything to Skinnypupp its been done and discussed before, give it up.

If you have any scientific studies or information (not pseudo-science masquerading as science) regarding how saturated fats are good for you, I'd love to read it.

[JSALES]

the baconator is so good, yay! heart attack!

[!SG]

its also one of the smaller ones now too! it was the BIG MAC, like back in the day, but now its just the the tiny mac from punchout compared to the other burger joints!

They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac.

[!SG]

very true. but remember when we were kids, and our parents always told us to finish our food, dont be so wasteful, there are hungry starving kids out there.

its all about value for buck, and sense of control.

everyone tends to over eat if put a load of food in front of them!

but ive learned to just say no, its seriously too much. especially when u feel like taking a nap afterwards.

LOL..

what i don't understand is just because they give it to you, it doesn't mean you have to finish it.

[!SG]

ive only had it once, and that was when working at advance, and i knew the afternoon was gonna be a lot of work so i could burn it off.

after trying it, i completely avoided eating the fries...

the baconator is so good, yay! heart attack!

[RenoMan]

spicy baconator is where its at. You guys should also try double whooper and throw in the onion rings with the zesty sauce. This also applies for a&w burgers , just top it off with there onion rings . so goooooood

[SkinnyPupp]

That's straight up wrong.


From:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html

"Saturated fats boost total cholesterol by elevating harmful LDL. Like all dietary fat, saturated fat also raises the protective HDL.Unsaturated fat is much preferable since it lowers the bad cholesterol and raises the good. "

What can I do to lower my total cholesterol and LDL?
Several strategies can help you lower the amounts of total and harmful LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream, and thus your risk of heart disease:

Exercise regularly.
Aim for a healthy body weight.
Avoid trans fats.
Limit foods rich in saturated fat, like red meat and whole milk, ice cream, and other full-fat dairy foods.
Focus on foods rich in unsaturated fats, dietary fiber, and healthful protein. Fruits, vegetables, fish, beans, nuts, and seeds are all excellent choices."



My source is the Harvard School of Public's Health's opinion, as is many other reputable sources. What's yours?
I am actually really glad you wrote that. I am not even going to fail you for it :)

Because it absolutely perfectly demonstrates the effects of the information cascade that I have been referring to all along.

What you have done is what almost everyone does - go to what you think is the correct "source" for "information".

However, the information that you are relying on as being 100% fact, is actually the exact source of the misinformation. It is not even fact - it is simply a hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_hypothesis) that was written in the 1850's. In the 1950's, the US government decided that they would use this hypothesis to set their dietary guidelines. Naturally, this fell perfectly in line with what the lobbyists wanted. And you can trace today's US agriculture economy straight back to it.

Now that brings us to today - why are scholars still spreading this unproven (and some say, proven factually incorrect) hypothesis? It almost sounds too simple, but it really comes down to having to show results and support for what their source of income wants to hear. If they don't, they are almost always completely dropped from research funding. This has been happening since the govt. started using these guidelines in the 50's.

So the cascade started 60 years ago, and has been pouring and building ever since. You can go ahead and follow what you think is true. You can blindly and unquestionably listen to the US government. I have no problem with that, except that it just keeps the cascade running in perpetuity.

Now if you wanted, you could look for other sources of information. You could look into non-lobbyists groups, whose best interests are in research and not simply lining their pockets doing bogus work, following the status quo.

Most of these scientists do not receive government funding, because they can't. So to support their work, they write books.

The #1 book I think everyone should read is Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. This book is amazingly well researched, and completely unbiased. And it is credited for changing the minds of so many people, including those that formerly just followed along with the what the government wanted to hear. Of course, those people still exist in huge numbers, as your link shows.

I must warn you though, the book is... well it's not exactly a dynamic piece of literature. It's very dry, and filled with recaps on research papers, annotations, etc. I hear he is writing a new book that is more palatable to the every day reader, and not just people who are interested in this. Hopefully when that comes out, even more people will open their eyes.

Now there are tons of studies that contradict your link's statements. I have posted videos and links throughout other threads. If you really want to learn more, and aren't out to just try to prove a point, then I suggest you find those links.

My favourite is the recent study done at Berkely. They compared 4 diets - low fat/high carb, low fat/low carb, high fat/low carb, and "normal". The poor scientist was a life-long vegetarian, and he had to tell everyone that on the Atkins diet, people lost the most fat, stayed on the diet the longest, and had the best cholesterol levels of all groups.

Of course that information shouldn't surprize anyone who has read recent literature, but it's still nice to see proven in numbers, from someone who should have all the motive in the world to prove it wrong. But he was a good researcher, and let the numbers to the talking.

Those are the people you need to follow, not the ones who just go with the flow and have to fuck around numbers if they have to.

If the concept of saturated fat being good for you still seems totally ludicrous to you, I recommend reading this post by Dr. Mike Eades at Tim Ferriss' blog (http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/06/06/saturated-fat/). It does a great job of explaining these concepts to people for the very first time. Also before you reply to me, read the comments on that blog post. Everyone has already said what you are going to say to me, and Dr. Eades has probably responded already, in a better way than I ever could :)

As for the trolls and flamers (and the "thankers") the only thing I am going to say to you is: Nice try. I am not going to get sucked into another flame war. I don't fall for that any more. Have a good Christmas :D

[RFlush]

After reading the information Skinnypupp has provided, I think he is right. You know why? Because I believe in Truthiness. Now I'm sure some of the 'word police,' the Wordinistas over at Webster's are gonna say, "Hey, that's not a word!"

Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books - they're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true or what did or didn't happen. Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I want to say it was happened in 1941, that's my right.

I don't trust books. They're all fact, no heart. And that's exactly what's pulling our country apart today. 'Cause face it, folks: we are a divided nation. Not between Democrats and Republicans, or Conservatives and liberals, or tops and bottoms. No. We are divided between those who think with their head, and those who know with their heart.

So I applaud you Skinnypupp, you are a good man with a good heart. Your information comes straight from the heart and that is all that matters. No one can argue against it, because simply its the best. I am on your side!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wikiality/images/b/b6/Motivator5105778.jpg
Good thing this thread is in Vancouver Off-topic forum so this post does not violate any rules against RS.net.

[EndLeSS8]

My favorites probably of all time:

Carl's JR Portabello Mushroom 6 Dollar burger
Carl's JR Chili Cheeseburger

sooo good.

[CorneringArtist]

I only had Carls Jr. for the first time a few weeks ago when relatives brought it up from the States (probably illegal but border guards didn't check). It was just the standard Cheeseburger, but it was 10 times better than most burgers I've had.

[!SG]

go for the regular carl's jr burger, its enough burger for anyone. all their other ones are freakin huge!

[unit]

They can claim that all they want. The place to get the one of the best burgers in the Lower Mainland is the Guildford Station Pub. Only like $2 more than a Bigmac Meal.

http://assets.urbanspoon.com/w/s/NX/i3thlttb5qlfSX-640m.jpg

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/14/1309168/restaurant/Vancouver/Guildford-Station-Pub-Surrey

Damn. This thread is making me hungry.

seriously, station pub is the best pub in the gvrd.
great prices, great food. conductor burger ftw

[Ducdesmo]

I love station pub...especially their $2 rib nights..

[!SG]

so by posting in a thread which you had NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE other than putting fuel to the fire to start something is warranted?

you mad? because your mass pm'ing every moderator about your issue was basically yelling, kicking, screaming for attention in the middle of futureshop so that they would give you a discount on the lcd just to shut u up.

if you have an issue with skinny, take it to pm.

PM'ING EVERY MODERATOR INCLUDING ME ABOUT YOUR ISSUE WITH HIM DOES NOT GET ON MY GOOD SIDE. NEITHER DOES STARTING WITH THE LINE "IVE BEEN A MEMBER OF RS SINCE ____"



go calm down, and have a burger.


After reading the information Skinnypupp has provided, I think he is right. You know why? Because I believe in Truthiness. Now I'm sure some of the 'word police,' the Wordinistas over at Webster's are gonna say, "Hey, that's not a word!"

Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books - they're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true or what did or didn't happen. Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I want to say it was happened in 1941, that's my right.

I don't trust books. They're all fact, no heart. And that's exactly what's pulling our country apart today. 'Cause face it, folks: we are a divided nation. Not between Democrats and Republicans, or Conservatives and liberals, or tops and bottoms. No. We are divided between those who think with their head, and those who know with their heart.

So I applaud you Skinnypupp, you are a good man with a good heart. Your information comes straight from the heart and that is all that matters. No one can argue against it, because simply its the best. I am on your side!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wikiality/images/b/b6/Motivator5105778.jpg
Good thing this thread is in Vancouver Off-topic forum so this post does not violate any rules against RS.net.

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow, good one :thumbsup:

[GFunk]

so by posting in a thread which you had NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE other than putting fuel to the fire to start something is warranted?

you mad? because your mass pm'ing every moderator about your issue was basically yelling, kicking, screaming for attention in the middle of futureshop so that they would give you a discount on the lcd just to shut u up.

if you have an issue with skinny, take it to pm.

PM'ING EVERY MODERATOR INCLUDING ME ABOUT YOUR ISSUE WITH HIM DOES NOT GET ON MY GOOD SIDE. NEITHER DOES STARTING WITH THE LINE "IVE BEEN A MEMBER OF RS SINCE ____"



go calm down, and have a burger.

Do you think someone who doesn't even enable his own fail button is open to listening to RFlush's issues with him via pm? Where'd RFlush's thank button go? I'd like to use it.

It's good to know though SG that if I had an issue with a member, you're a useless resource to turn to.

[raygunpk]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1661/1259117382820.gif

[LiquidTurbo]

Anyway, I read through the blog and probably will pick up the book to read over the holidays. I enjoy reading other points of view that go against general consensus.

Seems to me these kinds of discussions are like the global warming or existence of God. You read your own convincing 'science' or 'logic' and then defend it.

For me, I've basically concluded that just like how everyone learns differently, different people respond to different diets. So while some cultures thrive on fats from seals and olive oils, other thrive on their agrarian diets (for example, the Okinawa peoples who are among the longest living peoples). They are also respectively disease free too.

There's also lots of genetic predispositions too. Some bodies/ethnicities respond negatively to fats. I randomly came across a youtube video the other day where a trucker who had diabetes and stage 2 colon cancer and was morbidly obese lost 203lbs, just by going from a primarily meat diet, to a primarily raw foods diet. My point is, there is no "one ideal diet fits all" solution. .


Hell, Michael Phelps consumes 12,000 (mostly carb) calories a day. This is the diet that cutting edge doctors are advocating for him.


http://medicalmyths.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/phelps-diet.jpg
"OMG So many complex carbs oh noes is he going become fat?!"




So I really disagree when you advocate to everyone in bold letters they should consume more saturated fats because it's good for you, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

There's still a lot to learn out there in terms of ideal nutrition, especially when in the context of tailoring it to an individual.

[SkinnyPupp]

So I really disagree when you advocate to everyone in bold letters they should consume more saturated fats because it's good for you, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

There's still a lot to learn out there in terms of ideal nutrition, especially when in the context of tailoring it to an individual.
I didn't call anyone a moron for disagreeing with me. If everyone who followed huge "information cascades" was a moron, that would defy the definition completely. People trust what they're told for the most part, and this misinformation has been ingrained in our psyches for decades now. I believed it strongly too. In fact, I recently had to go edit some reviews I posted on a recipe site, because of all the negative comments I made to recipes that used too much saturated fat! :lol Back then, I weighed about 220 lbs, was "skinnyfat" and had terrible cholesterol levels. Now my diet is 70% fat, much of it saturated, I was down to 180 lbs and have better than "recommended" cholesterol levels. (though I did gain some fat in the last few weeks eating junk food - 'tis the season right? ;)) My wife also saw improved numbers, although she doesn't eat exactly like I do. She tolerates carbs a lot better than I do, so a lot of her fat intake is replaced by that. But she still eats a lot more fat than typical, and has great bloodwork. Especially important for someone who had cholesterol issues in the past (she had her gall bladder removed when she was 18).

The morons are the people who dismiss facts, and resort to posting stupid threadbomb pics, and starting flame wars. Also, the people who knowingly spread misinformation. People like Al Gore are morons. The people who follow him are not. They just believe what they believe, and that's fine.

If you disagree with me, that's is fine. Everyone has the right to believe what they wish. When you can't harm anyone but yourself for living your life a certain way, I have absolutely no issues with it.

If you want to argue with me about something I believe in, I'm game. I love it! But the whole "let's gang up on SkinnyPupp" trend that is occuring lately is highly irritating. It's like so many people have been proven wrong, that they finally want to "get" me. Well it won't work - from now on, I'm just going to delete all those posts, and not respond to them at all. Maybe things will return back to normal, and we can go back to the good old days of people accepting new information, or not accepting new information, without resorting to threadbombs and fails. :thumbsup:

[!SG]

Rflush mass pm'd every mod to complain. might as well result in running into futureshop, yelling, kicking, and screaming, to grab attention.

we have created parts of this forum for situations like that, but he FAILED to even go thru that route. Proper routes get resolved.

and my pet peeve are ppl that start every pm w/ "ive been a member since ____". what is that suppose to prove? that what wrong doing they may have done is justified because they have been a member for a while? If that is his trump card, then sorry, it doesnt work like that.


Go have a burger, this will resolve a lot more.

And you are absolutely right, i am a useless resource in this case to turn to, because i couldnt give a flying fuck because it seems like Rflush is crying that Skinnypupp stepped on his puma.

Koodos' for standing up for him though. Messaging every buddy buddy mod he knows was another brilliant idea.


Do you think someone who doesn't even enable his own fail button is open to listening to RFlush's issues with him via pm? Where'd RFlush's thank button go? I'd like to use it.

It's good to know though SG that if I had an issue with a member, you're a useless resource to turn to.

[RFlush]

You really think PMing two mods is mass PMing? I PMed you and the VAC head mod, two out of many. I had thought since you were running RS I would PM you, and Orgasm_Donor since he is the head VAC mod. If you end up heading to futureshop, make sure you go grab a calculator because clearly 2 mods is not every moderator.

As you can see, it is not just me who has a problem with SP, but many other members as well. Members that support RS and members who help contribute to make it the community it is. There is no doubt that what Skinnypupp did to RS is astonishing and no one is arguing against that. What I and many other members appear to have problems with is that when we post valid opinions or points, skinnypupp will just 'Fail' us, say we are wrong, then when we prove we are right, he deletes the posts, or edit it or hands out bans. He suffers from some low self esteem issues that clearly everyone sees. Banning people and removing posts to silence people? Come on, this isn't Germany circa 1939.

I would love to go out and have a burger and I invite you Skinnypupp to come grab one with me since we are both in HK.

[SkinnyPupp]

RFlush don't worry about it, it's all water under the bridge. From now on I am just going to keep that water flowing :)

[!SG]

i sat back and thought about it for one second and realized this.

Things regular members dont see, but assume.

1) even if a post is deleted, i still see a little link click on the top right corner of that post that i can click on which will show the post that was deleted

2) no fail button is set on the usergroups with admin control panel access. one existing usergroup has to have that function.

3) whenever any situation happens, its always the moderators fault.

ok my bad on this one, i made the assumption you pm'd every mod it seemed every mod forwarded the issue to me.

Many members have an issue with taylor192, with hypa, with mugen evolution, with asian1, ulic, hyde the list goes on. sorry sunny, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL AND YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE.

so this all comes down to having a stupid little button called FAIL?! SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING WITH ME??? DID THIS HURT YOUR E-PRIDE? If thats the case, I'll tell skinny to have it removed. Seems many ppl can adopt the praise of thanx, but the thought of fail, a tad little button at the corner of someones post, can cause so much drama. shit son, grow some, you are still on here arent you???

This isnt germany, you are right, but this isnt a democracy either. Private message board. PRIVATE. if only everyone in the rest of the REAL WORLD outside of this message board say all the shit that is said in here, and based their assumptions on the true person via those words, we would ALL BE FUCKED...

Im not in HK. and i totally dare you to go meet up with skinny, take a pic, and post it up on RS.

You really think PMing two mods is mass PMing? I PMed you and the VAC head mod, two out of many. I had thought since you were running RS I would PM you, and Orgasm_Donor since he is the head VAC mod. If you end up heading to futureshop, make sure you go grab a calculator because clearly 2 mods is not every moderator.

As you can see, it is not just me who has a problem with SP, but many other members as well. Members that support RS and members who help contribute to make it the community it is. There is no doubt that what Skinnypupp did to RS is astonishing and no one is arguing against that. What I and many other members appear to have problems with is that when we post valid opinions or points, skinnypupp will just 'Fail' us, say we are wrong, then when we prove we are right, he deletes the posts, or edit it or hands out bans. He suffers from some low self esteem issues that clearly everyone sees. Banning people and removing posts to silence people? Come on, this isn't Germany circa 1939.

I would love to go out and have a burger and I invite you Skinnypupp to come grab one with me since we are both in HK.

[SkinnyPupp]

Water uynder the bridge, SG. People clearly don't like the way I act, so something's gotta change since I have responsibilities here as more than just a member ;)

[hotjoint]

mmm those look tasty :)

[MWR34]

Fail.

They keep focusing on the fat content and "calories". That's not what makes fast food bad.

The information cascade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade) continues.
well the allowable % of fecal matter admissible in our beef for 1.

[SkinnyPupp]

This study (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1?papetoc) was just published today. They analyzed 5 other studies that included over 300,000 subjects. It shows that there is no evidence that saturated fat increases risk for heart disease.

[orgasm_donor]

When I was in Vegas last week I went to In 'N out burger twice. Yes, their burgers are great! Not massive, just tasty and super fresh!

My recommendation of a great fast food burger similar to that of the In 'N out burger is at 'Bronco Belle' in Brentwood mall. The $4.50 lean beef burger is very simple, very fresh and quite delicious!

[skyxx]

^ I must try tomorrow!

[JulyZerg]

^ Let us know how it goes!

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's another (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752542?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed _ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2) meta-analysis from last year. You can click on the "full text" icon to read it. Well written, worth checking out!

[Ryyanbell]

makes you wonder what the calorie and fat rating thingers are for Vera's burger shack. Theres a couple burgers on that menu that make me cringe lol

[q0192837465]

ppl know wut they'r getting into when they order the burger. But i dunno why ppl who r already obese still order these lumps of grease.

[RenoMan]

just like smoking^

[mikemhg]

I call bs on this. How come to ban an account for failing one of your posts than?

[Mkhun]

all look delicious...

[RacePace]

ppl know wut they'r getting into when they order the burger. But i dunno why ppl who r already obese still order these lumps of grease.

Because they don't care