[sonick]

Just found out about this, apparently Chevron is going to be blending all their gasses except 94 octane with up to 10% ethanol :cry:

What's the next best alternative? Shell? Esso? I wish we had Texaco here, they add that yummy Techron goodness in their fuel too.

Just a heads up next time you go fill up at Chevron...

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

FUCK!!!!$@$$*#@$#@

so they gonna end up like...MOHAWK?

god damn



will that affect petro? since they share the same foundation where they get their oil from.

[Solo_D33A]

... Texaco IS Chevron....

Next best imo is Shell, they collect AirMiles too (although I've even thought about using AirMiles for any use...)

[Chopstick]

umm does petro canada add ethanol?

[J____]

we need the E85 mix here ~.^

[jlenko]

umm does petro canada add ethanol?

Yup. There's a sticker on every pump that says "may contain up to 10% ethanol".

For those of you who don't pay attention... as I've posted many times over many years... there is only ONE refinery in the Lower Mainland, and it's owned by Chevron. Regardless of which gas station you buy from, all fuel in Metro Vancouver comes from that one refinery, unless it's been trucked in from Alberta or the US. The only difference is the tiny amount of additives that each 'brand' adds to their fuel.

[sonick]

I buy (bought) Chevron because of the Techron.

[CRS]

It is part of the new biofuel BS.

http://www.chevron.com/deliveringenergy/biofuels/

[Chopstick]

Yup. There's a sticker on every pump that says "may contain up to 10% ethanol".

For those of you who don't pay attention... as I've posted many times over many years... there is only ONE refinery in the Lower Mainland, and it's owned by Chevron. Regardless of which gas station you buy from, all fuel in Metro Vancouver comes from that one refinery, unless it's been trucked in from Alberta or the US. The only difference is the tiny amount of additives that each 'brand' adds to their fuel.

uh ohs.... so which one is Chopstick safe at?

[Gnomes]

Can someone tell me the disadvantage of ethanol mix? A google search told me:

1. Decreased fuel efficiency
2. Kills the engine over time
3. Creates more smog

Is there any more other than the above?

[sonick]

^ outside of your engine, the creation of Ethanol by the farming of corn is a highly debated topic, as well as the effect it has on corn prices worldwide as they are refined for fuel instead of food.

[thumper]

Just found out about this, apparently Chevron is going to be blending all their gasses except 94 octane with up to 10% ethanol :cry:

What's the next best alternative? Shell? Esso? I wish we had Texaco here, they add that yummy Techron goodness in their fuel too.

Just a heads up next time you go fill up at Chevron...

ugh. i'm not sure about esso. maybe it's just me but on my mom's 10 year old car the runs on regular unleaded, i went from chevron to esso and my mileage went from 13.8L/100km to almost 16L/100kms, and i'm getting a bit of engine knock.

should i start buying techron in bottles instead?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Can someone tell me the disadvantage of ethanol mix? A google search told me:

1. Decreased fuel efficiency
2. Kills the engine over time
3. Creates more smog

Is there any more other than the above?

just those 3 sounds promising enough to stay the hell away from it

[SpuGen]

Title says Jan 21st.
It's the 25th....

Typo / Already happening?

[sonick]

Title says Jan 21st.
It's the 25th....

Typo / Already happening?

It's already happening.

[Meister1982]

does this have to do with when they changed 92 octane to 91?

[Spooling]

E85 and hybrids will surpass gasoline. Don't be so ignorant. Overall, E85 is a good thing and will become more important into the future.

[dL]

Uh oh. I've always used Chevron until now. Maybe it's time to go Shell?

dL

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

maybe its time for me use to 94 only instead of 91

:cry:

[Lomac]

E85 and hybrids will surpass gasoline. Don't be so ignorant. Overall, E85 is a good thing and will become more important into the future.

Yes... decreased fuel economy is deinitely a good thing...
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[StealthFighter]

guess i have to switch from 91 to 94.

[roastpuff]

Shell has ethanol in 87 and 89.

I fill up with 91 (V-Power), which has no ethanol content according to the sticker.

[jing]

Yup. There's a sticker on every pump that says "may contain up to 10% ethanol".



Even for their 91?

[Spectre_Cdn]

What about DOMO? :D

http://www.domo.ca/images/logo.gif

[jtanner_]

I never fill up with anything but chevron... So is everyone going on the shell bandwagon now?
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[threezero]

does shell have 94?

[kookoobird88]

damn I used to buy mohawk because they had 90 for the same price as others 87 thats the only reason why i went to mohawk, now mohawk changed the lowest octane (90) to 87. i always thought i got better milage on chevron though so I started using it, now i guess im gonna get the same milage on chevron gas as i did mohawk. bahhhhh

[roastpuff]

does shell have 94?

Nope. Only Chevron and Husky/Mohawk has 94.

[Dragon-88]

Just found out about this, apparently Chevron is going to be blending all their gasses except 94 octane with up to 10% ethanol :cry:

What's the next best alternative? Shell? Esso? I wish we had Texaco here, they add that yummy Techron goodness in their fuel too.

Just a heads up next time you go fill up at Chevron...

Source??? My sister works in the lab at the burnaby refinery and hasn't said anything, but then again I have never asked.. Lemme find out..

[sonick]

Source??? My sister works in the lab at the burnaby refinery and hasn't said anything, but then again I have never asked.. Lemme find out..

Source is word of mouth from BCBimmers forum member. I will keep an eye out and confirm when I fill up next, should be soon.

[00EM1]

damn I used to buy mohawk because they had 90 for the same price as others 87 thats the only reason why i went to mohawk, now mohawk changed the lowest octane (90) to 87. i always thought i got better milage on chevron though so I started using it, now i guess im gonna get the same milage on chevron gas as i did mohawk. bahhhhh

the Mohawks changed from 90 to 87 octane because some city's put in a local by-law's requiring all gas stations to offer the most inexpensive grade of gasoline. The only one I have seen that still offers 90 for the price of 87 is the one out at silverdale right before mission

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I never fill up with anything but chevron... So is everyone going on the shell bandwagon now?
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no, Petro canada badnwagon
does shell have 94?

not that i've seen

[Dragon-88]

Source is word of mouth from BCBimmers forum member. I will keep an eye out and confirm when I fill up next, should be soon.

Yeah talked to my sister. Apparently it started on Jan 1st Government Made all companies have ethanol blends. They have been studying the ethenol blends for over the past year.

Sucks..

[6insomnia9]

So.. Shell or Petro? Gah... I was like Wtf is this 10% ethanol shit when i was filling up at Chevron at Willingdon and Canada way a few days ago..

[pherio]

Chevron's had the notices posted on their pumps for the last couple weeks already. 87-91 octane say "May contain upto 10% ethanol" 94 octane is marked "contains no ethanol"

[willystyle]

Ok, so which gas station has no Ehanol blend in the 87? Petro?

[c32]

what is wrong with ethonal?

[Dragon-88]

what is wrong with ethonal?

The down side of blended fuels is that your motor has to burn more blended fuel to perform the same amount of work as it would burning an unblended gasoline

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Yeah talked to my sister. Apparently it started on Jan 1st Government Made all companies have ethanol blends. They have been studying the ethenol blends for over the past year.

Sucks..

sweet guess its gonna be 94 only from now on

[raygunpk]

she needs premium dude
PREMIUM!!

[q0192837465]

Rising food price, global food crisis. Everything is wrong with ethanol

[hotjoint]

No wonder I noticed my gas burning down quicker. Oh well at 87 I can't complain

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol no u shouldnt complain, at least the ones tat are using 87

[!Kodamu]

i guess i'll be filling up in Pt. Roberts only now at Texaco with Techron

[dL]

I just checked and Shell has ethanol too. 10% on 87, 5% on 89. Anyone know about petro? If petro has, then I'll stick with Chevron.

dL
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[Mkhun]

yeap..i went to chevron yesterday and there was a white sticket saying there may be up to 10% of ethanol mixed blah blah blah :(

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lol fuck it

everyone is adding 10% ethanol

http://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/formycar/143.aspx


petro is doing it, Shell is doing it


guess it dont matter where we are adding now. Quick lets all go to superstore/costco to get our gas since its the cheapest

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I just checked and Shell has ethanol too. 10% on 87, 5% on 89. Anyone know about petro? If petro has, then I'll stick with Chevron.

dL
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wats the point sticking with one gas station when everyone is the same shit different pile

[RRxtar]

i think ethanol burns alot hotter too

[Dragon-88]

All Gas stations will have ethanol blend with their lower octane gas. This is now implemented by the government.

So yes Petro, shell, everyone will have ethanol..

Sucks

[CRS]

As long as Shell is offering 91 without ethanol, they have my business.

[6insomnia9]

As long as Shell is offering 91 without ethanol, they have my business.

Me too... for now..

[taylor192]

Rising food price, global food crisis.

There's no global food crisis. When is the last time you had a problem buying anything you wanted to eat?

The problem is 3rd world countries starving cause they cannot afford food. If you give more food to a starving 3rd world country, it only creates more starving mouths to feed. They don't have any population control measures (education, contraception, ....) and the population will always expand/contract with the food supply.

[hotong]

wtf... why!!!!! ethanol fucked up my turbo itr :(

[alwaysideways]

So the government saying the all gas needs Ethanol happened because??? Its worse for the environment, cost the general population more....but the gas companies say its better for their wallets?

Anyways enough whining....when do we get E85? People in the states have been having crazy tunning success! mmm high numbers off of pump!

[Gnomes]

What govt body was responsible for this bullcrap? I need to know so I can vote their ass off next time.

[optiblue]

What govt body was responsible for this bullcrap? I need to know so I can vote their ass off next time.

Agreed!!! Well, at least 94 is unaffected... I'd be pissed if the ethanol messed up my engine!!!

[yvrnycracer]

was using petro 94 after one of the VW tuners had said that petro was better than chevron's 94... then they canceled it so had to go back to chevron... at least the 94 is untouched...

[hotjoint]

i'll still use chevron, been using them for atleast 5 years now

[roastpuff]

was using petro 94 after one of the VW tuners had said that petro was better than chevron's 94... then they canceled it so had to go back to chevron... at least the 94 is untouched...

Dude, Petro's 94 and Chevron's 94 was the same stuff. Petro got it from Chevron. :haha:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

As long as Shell is offering 91 without ethanol, they have my business.

dude they do add ethanol to it

[crazyazn]

I always thought Chevron gas (except 94) contained ethanol like everyone else? Since I got worse mileage using Chevron 92 than Shell 91 (which has NO ethanol).

Shell has been 10%/5%/0% ethanol (87/89/91) for a while

So if you guys don't require 94...then go for Shell since their 91 V-Power has NO ethanol.

[roastpuff]

dude they do add ethanol to it

Shell V-Power (91) has no ethano, as per their stickers. 87 has 10% and 89 has 5%.

[Supafly]

not a fan of shell gas.....i'd guess its time to re-tune my rocket with a powerchip and run 94... =D

[maxx]

Been using shell 91 for 7 years now

[moomooCow]

91 shell it is.

thanks guys :thumbsup:

[hk20000]

what is wrong with ethonal?

For one, it's spelled wrong. :haha:

[LiquidTurbo]

Yup. There's a sticker on every pump that says "may contain up to 10% ethanol".

For those of you who don't pay attention... as I've posted many times over many years... there is only ONE refinery in the Lower Mainland, and it's owned by Chevron. Regardless of which gas station you buy from, all fuel in Metro Vancouver comes from that one refinery, unless it's been trucked in from Alberta or the US. The only difference is the tiny amount of additives that each 'brand' adds to their fuel.

Not exactly. Shell, Chevron, Petro-Canada have their own tank farms near SFU that are piped in from Edmonton from their respective refineries through the Trans-mountain Pipeline via Kindermorgan. Trucks distribute from each tank farm daily.

[LiquidTurbo]

i think ethanol burns alot hotter too

Incorrect. The flame temperature is lower with Ethanol, and it actually creates a cooling effect when combusted. However, its energy density is lower, thus having to burn a bit more to compensate for the heat transfer in the cycle.

[Meowjin]

There's no global food crisis. When is the last time you had a problem buying anything you wanted to eat?

The problem is 3rd world countries starving cause they cannot afford food. If you give more food to a starving 3rd world country, it only creates more starving mouths to feed. They don't have any population control measures (education, contraception, ....) and the population will always expand/contract with the food supply.

WOW are you misinformed.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/cheap-food/bourne-text

Have you ever though countries that were very poor (hint china/half of south america) now have boatloads of money to eat affluently?

[jlenko]

n/m.. my source was somewhat incorrect...

[jlenko]

I was trying to figure out which stations still source their product from the US. I love Google sometimes!

Only one I can find that still does... is Super Save. Apparently, they buy from the Arco refinery in Cherry Point, Washington.

[illicitstylz]

Do the gas stations in Blaine put ethanol in their fuels? If not, more reason to fill up in the US...

[Lomac]

wtf... why!!!!! ethanol fucked up my turbo itr :(

Doubtful. Incorrect octane level probably messed it up. E10 won't do anything to the average car.
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[LiquidTurbo]

Doubtful. Incorrect octane level probably messed it up. E10 won't do anything to the average car.
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+1.

[wasabisashimi]

Paying more for worse gas quality so we can support corn growers?


How is ethanol on fuel economy rating and air pollution? dont tell me it burns dirtier

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^


must be

otherwise i dont see the point other than adding stupid ehtnanol when it does more harm than good

[CorneringArtist]

So no word on Esso here using ethanol in their 87 (no ones said anything so I'm judging that they don't have the additives that Shell, Chevron and Petro do)? Shell probably does from what I've been reading so far. I filled my tank with the Chev 87 BEFORE the 21st, so I'm a bit lucky I guess.

and RE: cars needing premium...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dceB3SKBw9w

[q0192837465]

Nothing but a marketing gimmick. The way I see it is

1) Government legislates that all gas must have ethanol
2) Ethanol demand soars
3) Ethanol price goes up
4) Farmer grow corns (which is DIFFERENT from the corn we eat, these corns are not edible) to make more money
5) More farmer grows corn means less land for growing food
6) Food prices go UP
7) Gas prices does NOT go down, all in the name of reducing carbon footprint

End result:
a) Common people have to endure higher food prices AND high fuel prices
b) Oil Company: PROFIT :thumbsup:

[fishing666]

ethanol is fairly safe at 10% or less
ethanol has less energy per unit of volume making that 1.10$/litre not worth 1.10$/litre anymore so your mileage goes down

why do they add ethanol to lower grades????
ethanol makes the octane rating go up

[wasabisashimi]

and Earth will still end in 2012 i hope. Nothing changes as mayans planned.

[tofu1413]

and Earth will still ends in 2012 i hope. Nothing changes as mayans planned.

hope you fixed your english before the world ends.

[Black SC2]

and Earth will still ends in 2012 i hope. Nothing changes as mayans planned.

Anyone who thinks the Mayans could predict the downfall of earth many hundreds of years in the future, but couldn't predict their own downfall at the hands of the Spaniards is completely retarded.

[FN-2199]

^
:haha::haha:

[GordonTse]

haven't seen any labels at chevron, but no wonder im not get 400km+ a tank like i used to. never changed my driving habits either.

[orange7]

i've been only running on chevron, would it be a bad idea to switch to shell now?

[CRS]

i've been only running on chevron, would it be a bad idea to switch to shell now?

No....

Why would it?

[StealthFighter]

i've been only running on chevron, would it be a bad idea to switch to shell now?

i'd think it would be beneficial to switch it up once a while to get a different additive in there to clean out whatever gunk techron couldn't get out.

[Black SC2]

i've been only running on chevron, would it be a bad idea to switch to shell now?

I've only been brushing with Crest my whole life, would it be bad to switch to Colgate now?

It won't make an appreciable difference to most of the cars people drive. Especially unmodified cars used for commuting. The folks most likely to notice a difference are those running at the ragged end of an aggressive tune, and you know what? They're running 94 already, and won't be affected by the ethanol blend.

[q0192837465]

ethanol is fairly safe at 10% or less
ethanol has less energy per unit of volume making that 1.10$/litre not worth 1.10$/litre anymore so your mileage goes down

why do they add ethanol to lower grades????
ethanol makes the octane rating go up

Simple. all gas is mixture of 87 & 94. If ethanol can make rating go up, they can use less 94, which has a higher profit margin.

[q0192837465]

I've only been brushing with Crest my whole life, would it be bad to switch to Colgate now?



I find that it's not good idea to switch shampoo. I get a lot of flakes whenever i switch, it takes a while for my scalp to adjust

[jlenko]

Simple. all gas is mixture of 87 & 94. If ethanol can make rating go up, they can use less 94, which has a higher profit margin.

Mmmm... some, but not all. Depends what station you're talking about.

If you want to know for sure if it's a blend, or a regular mix... then watch the analog dials, if you can see them that is (some stations are blocking them off with stickers). And not all stations have 94 to blend with...

In some states, you can get 85 octane... pretty sure they're not mixing 94 and 87 to get that ;)

[roastpuff]

What annoys me is that lots of pumps nowadays only have 1 nozzle for all 3 grades.

It means I have a probability of getting either 87 or 89 for the first few litres of my 91!

Boooo.

[Manic!]

What annoys me is that lots of pumps nowadays only have 1 nozzle for all 3 grades.

It means I have a probability of getting either 87 or 89 for the first few litres of my 91!

Boooo.

Less than a litre way less. 89 is just a mix of regular and premium.

Esso gas contains no Ethanol.

[roastpuff]

Less than a litre way less. 89 is just a mix of regular and premium.

Esso gas contains no Ethanol.

Pretty sure the piping contains more volume than 1 litre.

Yeah, but Esso has no cool additives. All they've got is a non-talking Tony the Tiger mascot. :haha:

[TL_99]

if esso gas has no ethanol in the 87, then i'm going to try esso again. if its truly that bad, then i will have to go for shell 92 or sth like that which has no ethanol

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

What annoys me is that lots of pumps nowadays only have 1 nozzle for all 3 grades.

It means I have a probability of getting either 87 or 89 for the first few litres of my 91!

Boooo.

i want them to bring back 94 to all stations

[c32]

Less than a litre way less. 89 is just a mix of regular and premium.

Esso gas contains no Ethanol.

when i was at esso it says May contain up to 10% of ethanal.. at the bottom corner where it is hard to see in small letters.. explain that?

[mekaw]

I filled up my parent's mini van today and esso said 10% ethanol in their gas posted on their pump.

I dont have issues using chevron since I only use 94 yee yee

[TypeRNammer]

FUUUUUU so far bad gas mileage on chevron 89 octane

[hirevtuner]

i filled up last night chevron victoria and 36th and saw no sticker when i filled up

[sonick]

Filled up at the Willingdon and Hastings with no stickers... weird.

[dealt]

Wow fuck that. I was wondering why I only got 300km a tank when I usually get 350km/tank.

BULLSHIT

[orange7]

No....

Why would it?

i'd think it would be beneficial to switch it up once a while to get a different additive in there to clean out whatever gunk techron couldn't get out.

so you're saying if I alternate between chevron and shell for my fill-ups, my engine would be better off than just staying with chevron?

[Manic!]

Pretty sure the piping contains more volume than 1 litre.

Yeah, but Esso has no cool additives. All they've got is a non-talking Tony the Tiger mascot. :haha:


Nope your getting less than a litre. I have had to replace gas pump hose a few times and there was less than a litre in I would say around 500 ml or less .
Esso has the additive super awesome 9000 but doesn't like t o brag.:p

I remember when shell switched to V-power. people thought it was a new gas formula and it had a a bunch of ne additives in it but it was the same old gas and they changed the name so it would have the same name as other shells around the world.

[slammer111]

^ Octane rating = a measure of how "slowly" a fuel burns.

Octane rating and energy density are 2 totally different things.

[!e.lo_]

bringing this back. why?
because, I noticed this:

In Burnaby, Imperial I believe
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a267/aznebonix/RS/IMG_1133.jpg

In North Delta, Scott Rd.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a267/aznebonix/RS/IMG_1138.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

interesting.......

[spoon.ek9]

no way...... that better be a mistake.

[PK-EK]

i worked at the one on Cambie and Gardencity for a short period of time and to this day 94 is no ethanol
i think it might be the one on Imperial just fucked up on putting the sticker on
just kids that work there anyway... just like me :D

tuned for 94 FTW!!!

[!e.lo_]

better god damn be a mistake. i noticed after i pumped and felt a bit ripped off

[CRS]

so you're saying if I alternate between chevron and shell for my fill-ups, my engine would be better off than just staying with chevron?

No... Not exactly...

Think of it as using different toothpaste. Just because you switch it up every once in a while, it doesn't mean you get better results.

I switch it up every once in a while between chevron's 94 and Shell's 91 but that's because I gas it whenever it is convenient.

[crazyazn]

I just filled up at Chevron on 16th & MacDonald...the sticker for 94 said "Contains NO ethanol"

[124Y]

i worked at the one on Cambie and Gardencity for a short period of time and to this day 94 is no ethanol
i think it might be the one on Imperial just fucked up on putting the sticker on
just kids that work there anyway... just like me :D

tuned for 94 FTW!!!

lol I'm pretty sure you've filled up my car a couple of times. I always get gas there.

[PK-EK]

nope, never done a black EVO before
I worked there in the winter of 2010.. just for 1 month, then i was like fuck this......
it was my second job that i would go to after school, but then my weekend job wanted me to come in after school too, so i quit there
slack job!

[crazyazn]

nope, never done a black EVO before
I worked there in the winter of 2009.. just for 1 month, then i was like fuck this......
it was my second job that i would go to after school, but then my weekend job wanted me to come in after school too, so i quit there
slack job!

You mean 2009? Otherwise...would you mind telling me the next set of 649 winning numbers? :D

[PK-EK]

no, it was 2010 January/February
:D
thats still winter according the calendar

[Shun Izaki]

wow wtf, that's a mistake.

Good thing all my chevrons are beside the refinery.. mmm..mmm 94.

[bcrdukes]

Yes, I know. Year old thread.

Just wondering because it's been over a year. Has anybody filled up at Shell recently? If so, is Shell 91 ethanol free or does it contain a small percentage? There were some mixed answers in this thread.

Thanks

[teaoh]

I filled up at Shell this morning on Knight and 41st. I remember it saying 91 contains no ethanol

[LiquidTurbo]

So why is everyone so scared of ethanol?

[bcrdukes]

My car runs like shit on ethanol blends.

I would have been better off buying a 1986 Dodge Aries.

[Eff-1]

I switched to Shell a year ago. No ethanol in the 91.

[Harvey Specter]

I always put Chevron 94 in my Audi/BMW. I've noticed in my A5 that when I put a lower grade it gets sluggish, hard to explain but the dealer did say that it's best to put 94.

[sonick]

So why is everyone so scared of ethanol?

Lower fuel economy, may cause issues such as the ones described, and has a tendency to corrode/dry out rubber and plastic more quickly.

[bcrdukes]

I switched to Shell a year ago. No ethanol in the 91.

You were right. And thanks teaoh for the confirmation at the Shell located @ 41st & Knight.

I just topped up $20 of Shell 91 V-Power and indeed - no ethanol as per the sticker. This was the Shell located at the corner of Clark & E. 12th Ave. Throttle response and acceleration is better compared to the Chevron 91 I had filled up a week ago.

http://www.trianglecafe.ca/misc/bcrdukes/shell.jpg

My car no longer drives like a 1986 Dodge Aries. :woot2:

[snowball]

Not sure if it's a coincidence or not, but after using chevron 91 right after they introduced ethanol one of my high mileage cars started to knock. Since then I've been filling Chevron 94/Shell 91 but the knocking continues.

[crazyazn]

I thought Chevron 91/92 always had a certain amount of ethanol in it....it's the 94 that contains no ethanol.

[Cillu]

^This is true because 91 is placed with 87 and 89 which contains ethanol and has a "may have up to 10% ethanol" sticker beside the gas pump. The 94 gas pump is by itself and always says "contains no ethanol".

[Lomac]

Lower fuel economy, may cause issues such as the ones described, and has a tendency to corrode/dry out rubber and plastic more quickly.

Only if you're running E85 on a constant basis in a car not designed for it. E10/E5 isn't going to damage components.
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[sonick]

Only if you're running E85 on a constant basis in a car not designed for it. E10/E5 isn't going to damage components.
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Effects may be minimal and likely unnoticeable for cars with fresh hoses, but you can't say E5/E10 is exactly the same as non-ethanol gas in terms of performance/economy and wear and tear on rubber and plastic components.

All things being equal, non ethanol gasoline is still the better of the two if given the choice.

[dinamix]

I drive a wrx and apparently ethanol is good for it.so confused
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803341&highlight=e85+faq
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[Timpo]

I don't know if it's something relevant but here goes...

Government Emphasis On E85 Backfires And Results In Increased Fuel Consumption
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/05/gao-government-ethanol-rules-actually-increase-gasoline-use/

http://autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/1249832104.jpg

[sonick]

Also have to consider the effects of growing all that corn to create ethanol.

From what I've read, the US gov't hugely subsidizes corn farmers in the states, which is creating a surplus of corn (most of which is inedible when unprocessed) every year even after it's used in Ethanol. This makes it super cheap for food producers to make foods with High Fructose Corn Syrup and other processed corn-based food products which ends up in our diets.

[jjson]

I'll check Shell or Chevron in the SFU Burnaby area in maybe 2-3 weeks. I'll also try to check at Esso on Saturday as well.

[slammer111]

Does 10% ethanol really kill engines? I thought all modern cars (ie last 10+ years) were designed with this fuel in mind. Tons of stations have it already blended in, and you don't see cars stranded everywhere.

[rageguy]

Newer cars will not have problems running E10. The only negative is that you MAY notice higher gas consumption, but the difference should be somewhat minuscule. For me, it's roughly 12.5l/100km vs 13l/100km.

Because there is a difference, I'll choose no ethanol. Shell V-Power (91) gets my vote.

[IMASA]

Ethanol is supposed to be more resistant to knocking, however, I find when I'm running 91 w/ Ethanol @ Chevron, my speed3 posts more Knock/Retard alerts on my Dashhawk.

[tonyzoomzoom]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Domo (No3 and Cambie in Richmond) has no ethanol in its 91 octane gas.

[crazyazn]

^Domo looks pretty sketchy though lol

[EndLeSS8]

Apart from Chevron 94, which major chain doesn't have ethanol?

[bcrdukes]

Shell, but only their 91 octane.

[cococly]

I think only Shell 91 and Chevron 94 has no enthanol bends. (as least they say so).
Chevron 91 in BC does have enthanol bends, as well as 91/92 gas in Washington.

I only fill up with Shell 91 :D

[bcrdukes]

Shell 91 in Washington contains 10% ethanol. Don't ask me how I know. :(

[orange7]

Shell 91 in Washington contains 10% ethanol. Don't ask me how I know. :(

this is true.

I was there a while ago.

so much for cheap fillups down in the states.

[UFO]

^This is true because 91 is placed with 87 and 89 which contains ethanol and has a "may have up to 10% ethanol" sticker beside the gas pump. The 94 gas pump is by itself and always says "contains no ethanol".

May have been previously posted already. But Chevron mid-grade 89/91 is essentially a mix of 87 and 94, which is why there is ethanol content from the 87 portion of the mix even though 94 is 'clean'.

Same thing with Shell, their 89 is a mix of 87 and ethanol free 91.

[Hehe]

^Domo looks pretty sketchy though lol

I gotta say the whole premium gas brand is pretty BS. (you could look it up on google, it has been debated for countless times) As a matter of fact, I can't tell any difference on my E93 from Domo 91 vs V-Power in terms of throttle response.

But coming back to original topic, no ethanol for me as long as I have a choice. I'm paying for gas, why do you put something that's not gasoline in it?

[storms]

I guess we are a little luckier here in the Okanagan, we don't have any ethanol blended fuel, unless you buy from Mohawk or Husky!