[GabAlmighty]

What's everyones opinion on doing this? Want to get a discussion going about how people feel about this (although i kinda have a feelings I know how it's gonna go).

[SpuGen]

Custom Bilstein.
Do it.

[Presto]

Where's the "back of the hand" button? That's what i want to give you.

[Hondaracer]

meh, if you do it right im sure it's fine

the other day i drove my old civic that my brother drives now, it has some shit lowering springs in it at like -2.25 all around, theyve been in that car for like 4 years now on the same shocks and the ride is better than almost all non-adjustable coil over's i've ridden in [on other civics]

[TRD Rs200]

used springs are usually ~$100. dont be cheap when it comes to modding your car. its for your own safety too

[GabAlmighty]

Ya, this came up on my other forum. Lots of nay sayers, but on the surface there isn't much difference with this and a lowering spring. I mean it's a shit ride and is bouncy. But, as far as cheap aesthetic mods that give you improved handling I dont see anything terribly wrong with it. I should be doing it saturday, will update.

Custom Bilstein.
Do it.

The price it would cost me for a full set of bilsteins custom valved for my applicationt it would be worth it for me to just shell out the extra money and get proper coilovers

[iamaudi]

Cutting springs is cutting corners, bad idea.

[GabAlmighty]

used springs are usually ~$100. dont be cheap when it comes to modding your car. its for your own safety too

Don't have 100. Plus, they're usually round 150-200 for lowering springs for me.

[GabAlmighty]

Cutting springs is cutting corners, bad idea.

So are lowering springs, similar..

[LenovoTurbo]

Cutting stock springs won't change the spring rate or will it? If it doesn't your car will bounce up and down and bottom out easily.

If you decide to cut, use the old hack saw way because using a cutting torch may weaken the strength of the springs.

Lowering springs have higher spring rates which have less chance of you bottoming out from less bouncing up and down.

[supman7]

Don't have 100. Plus, they're usually round 150-200 for lowering springs for me.

If you don't have the money then don't do it. Save up and do it right.

[CorneringArtist]

I have a choice with my car: Get used springs off of another car that work (but are VERY limited in availability), or pay out the ass for a suspension setup because they don't make lowering springs or coilovers for my car so I have to put something together out of generic race springs (trust me, there's no clean cut suspension for my car, they only have coilovers for the FRONT, and they aren't exactly name brand).

[b-dub]

Don't listen to the nay sayer's. Cutting springs was popular 10 years ago. It's not that popular anymore because of marketing guru's from (suspension company) that tells people that it's terrible for their car.

I've always cut springs on all my cars including my M3 and G35c. Best thing about cutting springs, you decide how long you go and most of the time the suspension is already settled.

[ncrx]

just get GC's, they'll fit nearly anything

[Mr.Jay]

Cutting stock springs won't change the spring rate or will it? If it doesn't your car will bounce up and down and bottom out easily.

If you decide to cut, use the old hack saw way because using a cutting torch may weaken the strength of the springs.

Lowering springs have higher spring rates which have less chance of you bottoming out from less bouncing up and down.

My Civic came with cut springs. The ride was stupid bouncy. Every bump it would be close to bottoming out unless I took it real easy.

I don't recommend it.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cutting springs is ghetto to the max

[GabAlmighty]

My old car now has cut springs, it is really bumpy. I have no misconceptions about the shitty rideability. You can use a grinder you just gotta be careful, like you said, to heat it up and thus making the springs useless.

Mugen, you don't seem to understand. Ghetto is the only way with my car... And with some more "ghetto" mods it will probably out handle a few cars on an autox track; stacking swaybars comes to mind, as well as welded diff's. Hell, maybe even a turbo setup from the jy.

[skyxx]

Back in my dad's days, they used to cut springs and do all sort of Hack mods. :lol Do it at your own risk, don't come crying to Revscene. :lol

[GabAlmighty]

Back in my dad's days, they used to cut springs and do all sort of Hack mods. :lol Do it at your own risk, don't come crying to Revscene. :lol

Oh I wont haha. The only thing i'm really worried about is having the springs come out of their perches if I get it airborne, but I haven't really heard any stories of that happening so who knows. Gonna use a seatbelt and make a travel limiter eventually.

[Jackygor]

Cutting springs will shorting your travel distance therefore making your car handle worst. You could prematurely blow your struts as the the spring rate is now changed...but its really the same as lower springs, most people don't lower there cars to improve handling anyways, go for it.

[orgasm_donor]

If you like 'Uncle Buck suspension' then by all means....bounce away!

[GabAlmighty]

Jackie, it wont handle worse.. I've been in a car that had uncut then cut springs, it isn't the best, but like you said; no different than lowering springs. The wagon was on lowering springs and that thing out handle alot of ish...

And my shocks and struts are already fucked up (it's like driving a caddy) so I honestly don't give two shits about them.

[GabAlmighty]

If you like 'Uncle Buck suspension' then by all means....bounce away!

I ALWAYS bounce with my car haha

[!e.lo_]

whoa whoa... this isn't fuckin 1960/70's.
i hear stories of my dad and uncle's friends who would chop springs on old toyotas and datsuns. fuckin rode like shit but it looked ill.

in a physics standpoint, cutting a spring is just horrible.
springrate isn't increased, causing more stress on shock absorber components. also, with a lowered ride on stock shocks, the gas is always under load, causing it to wear faster and theres a HIGH chance they'll just blow.

btw, lowered ride does NOT equal better handling. many many other factors come into play. suspension geometry mainly.

[b-dub]

When I cut my suspension on my M3 it improved the performance alot! I could take the corners faster and it felt more stable to the ground.

This is a good DIY mod!

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

When I cut my suspension on my M3 it improved the performance alot! I could take the corners faster and it felt more stable to the ground.

This is a good DIY mod!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ok...

[fliptuner]

If you like 'Uncle Buck suspension' then by all means....bounce away!

I want the Uncle Buck backfire. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Mr.Jay]

I just find it funny that you can afford a M3 but not proper coil overs or springs

[!Yaminashi]

I have a choice with my car: Get used springs off of another car that work (but are VERY limited in availability), or pay out the ass for a suspension setup because they don't make lowering springs or coilovers for my car so I have to put something together out of generic race springs (trust me, there's no clean cut suspension for my car, they only have coilovers for the FRONT, and they aren't exactly name brand).

I know what you mean, coilovers available for my car suck ass

[The_AK]

i want to see before and after pictures

[Hondaracer]

i 100% guarantee you the ride is only slightly better with some shit chinese coil overs then it is with cut or lowering springs

coil overs that only have adjustable height still run 1000+ and the ride is -shit-

[GabAlmighty]

in a physics standpoint, cutting a spring is just horrible.
springrate isn't increased, causing more stress on shock absorber components. also, with a lowered ride on stock shocks, the gas is always under load, causing it to wear faster and theres a HIGH chance they'll just blow.

btw, lowered ride does NOT equal better handling. many many other factors come into play. suspension geometry mainly.
I completely agree with you here. But on the whole, the benefits outweigh the negatives to the suspension geometry.
Everyone buys lowering springs, cutting springs is the exact same thing (geometry wise)
Lowering springs damage your shocks also, unless they're shortened.
And my shocks are already blown so I don't really care at this point, bilsteins will probably go into it this summer hopefully


i want to see before and after pictures
Cars at tractor height now... It's gotta change

[jlenko]

Cutting springs with stock struts... that's SUCH a Civic thing to do. Lame.

I've seen the results of cut springs... when the guy cut 4 coils out of a spring, and it didn't have enough pressure to stay compressed in the strut anymore, so it coiled out. Put the wheel thru the fender, shredded the tire, snapped the lug nuts and the wheel flew off... at highway speed. Not too pretty.

If you're cheap enough to hack-job the suspension of a car... stay the fuck away from me when you drive that accident-waiting-to-happen. I kinda like living.

Oh.. and a cut stock spring (if you're lucky enough to have progressive rate springs...) are NOT going to have the same spring rates as an aftermarket spring. Even worse if you have linear rate springs stock (like Crapaliers do). And good luck on getting all your spring rates close to each other...

Fuck, I hate people who are stupid enough to go cheap on important stuff... like suspension.. brakes.. etc.

[ericthehalfbee]

Cutting springs is illegal according to the MVA. It is one of the primary criteria for an automatic fail of an inspection regarding suspension condition/modifications.

[lowside67]

What is the magical mystery car with NO aftermarket suspension options that you drive that necessitates this retarded course of action? You talk about wanting to improve your autocross performance, this is absolutely the opposite - it is much better to have a higher ride height then to bottom out. Bottoming out while cornering is extremely detrimental to grip, a lot of times this will cause the tire to fully lose cohesion to the surface - in English, that's "bottom out, then slide, then post crappy times."

[The_AK]

it would be hilarious if you cut each spring a different length

[Berzerker]

Stock suspension is far superior to cut springs in autocross. If your gonna cut the springs lets call a spade a spade and be honest your only doing it for looks. I cut my springs in my EF 15 years ago and I will say without hesitation it does NOT improve handling. Made the car bouncy as shit. I remember driving around Stanley Park and in one of the corners my car changed lanes due to the front end hopping off a bump around a corner. Not good.

Berz out.

[GabAlmighty]

If you're cheap enough to hack-job the suspension of a car... stay the fuck away from me when you drive that accident-waiting-to-happen. I kinda like living.

Oh.. and a cut stock spring (if you're lucky enough to have progressive rate springs...) are NOT going to have the same spring rates as an aftermarket spring. Even worse if you have linear rate springs stock (like Crapaliers do). And good luck on getting all your spring rates close to each other...

Fuck, I hate people who are stupid enough to go cheap on important stuff... like suspension.. brakes.. etc.
They're not progressive rate springs, I know I am a ruhtard but. And you know what, I actually applaud the fact that you used a real world example and didn't just use a paper racer excuse. I am not going to cut out 4 coils, probably 3 coils. 2.5 coils off the stock spring brings to around the same height as our aftermarket lowering springs (which people have run forever on stock struts, or unshortened shocks/struts), so I figure another .5 coil really isn't going to destroy the shock outright. Plus, I'll be getting billy hd's hopefully in the summer so I can get a little bit of dampening back.

Cutting springs is illegal according to the MVA. It is one of the primary criteria for an automatic fail of an inspection regarding suspension condition/modifications.
The car's been a registered Canada car all it's life... And it takes all of 30 mins to swap in stock springs if for whatever reason I get a VI

What is the magical mystery car with NO aftermarket suspension options that you drive that necessitates this retarded course of action? You talk about wanting to improve your autocross performance, this is absolutely the opposite - it is much better to have a higher ride height then to bottom out."

It's a volvo. There's a handful of companies that make lowering springs for my car, average price is 250usd, which I don't have. And I never said I wanted to improve my autox times; I don't even fucking race the thing. I was using it has an example for what other people have reported I believe. And my car is at tractor height, it would take alot of lowering to get the thing to bottom out on corners, the first that would scrape is the front spoiler (which race cars do all the time), IF for some reason I was able to get the rear underbody of the car to scrape under braking, well... I'd be fucking impressed.

[GabAlmighty]

it would be hilarious if you cut each spring a different length
Hahahah, I would lol

Stock suspension is far superior to cut springs in autocross. If your gonna cut the springs lets call a spade a spade and be honest your only doing it for looks. I cut my springs in my EF 15 years ago and I will say without hesitation it does NOT improve handling. Made the car bouncy as shit. I remember driving around Stanley Park and in one of the corners my car changed lanes due to the front end hopping off a bump around a corner. Not good.
Berz out.

Ya, my car on lowering springs bounced around to shit on those roads too. What's your point?

[Lomac]

Ya, my car on lowering springs bounced around to shit on those roads too. What's your point?

His point is that it was unsafe. Imagine what would have happened if there was a car in the lane next to Berz when it jumped lanes...

[GabAlmighty]

His point is that it was unsafe. Imagine what would have happened if there was a car in the lane next to Berz when it jumped lanes...
I'm not saying he was wrong nor am I refuting his point. But another that "anology" all cars with lowering springs are unsafe as they do the exact same thing as cut springs (assuming you don't put shortened shocks/struts in in it)

edit: and yes, looks are a fair good reason why i'm doing it

[Berzerker]

My car with coilovers doesn't do that now. There is a difference between bouncy because of bumps in the road and unsafe because of the actions of a car with cut springs. On regular occasions I'm sure my front tires were leaving the ground over man holes and various road bumps.

I'm not saying don't cut them as when you have limited options you do what you have to. However just be aware of the effects on your car and on how its going to react.

Berz out.

[Berzerker]

Another point on lowering springs is that even though they may be the same height as cut springs, they are progressive and do a better job at preventing bottoming out. What your car hits the bump stops that is where the danger lies.

Berz out.

[GabAlmighty]

I'm not saying don't cut them as when you have limited options you do what you have to. However just be aware of the effects on your car and on how its going to react.

Berz out.
Yup, done a fair amount of reading. Driven my old car which is now on cut springs, I know what i'm getting myself into. Thanks for being cool about it haha and having real world knowledge

[ericthehalfbee]

The car's been a registered Canada car all it's life... And it takes all of 30 mins to swap in stock springs if for whatever reason I get a VI

*sigh* You're missing the point. The reason cut springs are illegal isn't because there's some import hating ogre that makes up rules just to screw guys like you over - it's because they're unsafe.

I'm not saying he was wrong nor am I refuting his point. But another that "anology" all cars with lowering springs are unsafe as they do the exact same thing as cut springs (assuming you don't put shortened shocks/struts in in it)

edit: and yes, looks are a fair good reason why i'm doing it
If you actually believe that lowering springs and cut springs do the exact same thing, then there's no point in trying to explain anything to you - you're like Timpo - you just don't get it.

[Lomac]

Another point on lowering springs is that even though they may be the same height as cut springs, they are progressive and do a better job at preventing bottoming out. What your car hits the bump stops that is where the danger lies.

Berz out.

:thumbsup:

Yup, done a fair amount of reading. Driven my old car which is now on cut springs, I know what i'm getting myself into. Thanks for being cool about it haha and having real world knowledge

I've driven pretty much every possible setup out there when it comes to lowered cars, from cut springs on 20 year old shocks in my old Nissan 200sx right up to a full-blown MK1 Jetta auto-x track car with close to $10k in suspension modifications alone, and almost everything in between. Let me state that there's a huge difference between riding on cut springs and lowered cars with stock shocks. As stated, lowered springs tend to be progressive, which help prevent the car from bottoming out on the bump stops. Chances are your stock springs are progressive, since most cars come this way (as far as I know, at least), but byy cutting a portion of that out, you're effectively eliminating a chunk of the safety margin engineers have put into the spring. Couple that with shocks that are (I imagine) close to a decade and a half old, if not more, then you're creating for yourself a large safety hazard, as well as a potential mechanical disaster. Yes, many people used to cut their springs "back in the day" but chances are they were going purely for the look, nothing more.

That said, cutting springs can positively affect your spring rate, if done correctly. It can be done in a manner that wont be too bad, safety wise, but it takes a lot of effort and knowledge. But for this, you have to base what you cut off by the spring rate you want, not the ride height. I'm not sure what the Volvo springs look like, but many springs have tapered ends and if they're not cut properly, they wont sit on the perch properly anymore. Also, as stated, do not use anything that throws heat. That will change the spring rate just as much as cutting off too many (or too few) coils. Chances are if you're doing just for looks, you're going to create for yourself too many hassles that will outweigh the pro's of how it looks.

[GabAlmighty]

Can someone update that cutting springs thread I had on Revscene for me. I got a 7 day ban for stirring the pot...

Anyways, went over to Mikes house today and we both had a nice learning experience cutting the springs. Everything went according to plan except the fronts where we couldn't get the top strut bolt loose so we just cut the spring with it all together (BIG BANG!).

I cut 3.5 coils all around. I wanted to do 2.5 but we fucked up on the first one so I had to bite the bullet. Was worried right after because my exhaust was dragging... Turns out it was just my exhaust clamp that had the threads pointed to the ground, quick little flip and she's good to go (think I need to tighten it down, I can smell carbon monoxide and my ears hurt).

Moreover, the car is now silly low and it's awesome. I can't take ppl in the back seat cuz it'll drag the exhaust so that's gonna come out. It handles really well and bounces all over the place.

All the pics:
http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010412.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010413.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010414.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010415.jpg

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http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010418.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010420.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010421.jpg

http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010422.jpg

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http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/GabAlmightu/P1010428.jpg

[jlenko]

It all makes sense now. I see the "N"!

It handles really well and bounces all over the place.

Yeah, because that's not contradicting yourself or anything :haha:

Try not to kill anyone else, when you lose control with it bouncing all over the place.

[GabAlmighty]

It all makes sense now. I see the "N"!


Was supposed to get rid of that pull me over sticker in December

[Shun Izaki]

lol, have fun with that... cut springs = awesome bucko

[hotong]

wtf is with your spoiler

[FN-2199]

Woo, you've solved your image problem...

Just don't kill anybody bouncing all over the place :thumbsup:

[GabAlmighty]

wtf is with your spoiler

It's sagging? Don't know why, i'm a little angry about it.

[RabidRat]

LOL THAT'S AWESOME

i like how you cut the springs while they were still COMPRESSED ROFL "bang" :p

yeah this is definitely one of those times you should be stating the obligatory "don't try this at home kids".

you will definitely be hitting the bump stops if you're not already riding on them (this is the difference between cut stock springs and lowering springs - the spring rate here isn't high enough to keep your suspension from going too far and hitting those bump stops). worse, the springs might fly out of the perches in the rear over bigger bumps / jumps, and it would be an epic disaster if this occured. but you knew that.

regardless, it looks great. you knew full well that it would ride like ass and that you would be bouncing all around so that's taken care of. just be careful out there is all - it might be pretty unpredictable when your suspension bottoms out and handling becomes erratic.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

......................................




:rolleyes:

[TypeRNammer]

Say byebye to your front lip :p

[brute_4s]

my dad did this to his 87 mustang gt....in 1992....or something like that...some things should just stay in the past....at least buy lowering springs

[CorneringArtist]

my dad did this to his 87 mustang gt....in 1992....or something like that...some things should just stay in the past....at least buy lowering springs

For my car, you can't get lowering springs unless you pay around $400 shipped for them, JUST for the springs themselves (mentioned before that I drive an 87 Toyota Cressida). For half that I get front coilovers, but then again, there's cutting and welding to be done that I lack the resources for.

I'd have to buy universal racing springs if I want springs on the cheap, and there's so many out there that can fit my car and there's dozens of combinations that people use that I can't decide what's best for me. And as I mentioned before, it's either chop-chop or finding stock Mk2 Supra springs that don't exactly offer a good amount of lowering. More often than not Cressidas in my model generation run cut springs, even if the ride is shitty, they know that. Hell, if I wanted short-stroke shocks, I'd have to run shocks off of OTHER cars, and those need a bit of adjustment to fit properly.

Yeah "you gotta pay to play", but there's a limit on how much one should pay, especially if you drive an older car.

[impactX]

Looks like it's going to the junkyard soon.

Unless you are actually upgrading the parts, whatever happened to leaving it stock?

[Mancini]

Cut springs? Why bother.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

do it right or dont do it at all

seriously, i understand its an OLDDD car, why not just leave it as it is


cutting springs ..............no comment

[eurochevy]

Cutting springs is cutting corners, bad idea.

So are lowering springs, similar..

no lowering springs have their own spring-rate...cutting oem springs changes the spring-rate so that its not designed in conjunction with the car

[GabAlmighty]

Looks like it's going to the junkyard soon.

Unless you are actually upgrading the parts, whatever happened to leaving it stock?
No.
And that was me being in denial haha
seriously, i understand its an OLDDD car, why not just leave it as it is

Because. These cars are easy to work on, and can go respectively fast for pretty cheap. You can turbo them for cheap. They can handle really well with the right parts. Nobody suspects them. Everyone thinks their ugly, nobody thinks anything of them. Furthermore, it's a $1000 manual rwd car that will take near everything you throw at it.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

are u sure?



if its true than......continue the project than i guess?
:confused:

[GabAlmighty]

are u sure?
if its true than......continue the project than i guess?
:confused:

Am I sure about what? And it's not a "project" persay. A project doesn't get DD'd to abby everyday from the tri cities.

[Berzerker]

OH snap I forgot to tell you the HOW and help you out that way.

Next time... lol.... compress the spring with a jack under the control arm then wrap a metal coat hanger around it to keep it compressed. That way you can undo the Bolt keeping everything together without there being to much tension. Then you undo the hanger and let the spring uncompress. Once you've cut the spring is should fit back into the Hats without needing to be compressed.

Berz out.

[The_AK]

for your next mod you should remove the springs completely

[Berzerker]

Did that in a sprint.... now THATS a bumpy ride... hahaha

Berz out.

[Soundy]

wtf is with your spoiler

It's supposed to be that way - completes the ghetto look.

regardless, it looks great.

It looks retarded. Volvos aren't supposed to be lowered, that's just patently ridiculous.

Looks like it's going to the junkyard soon.

Unless you are actually upgrading the parts, whatever happened to leaving it stock?

I can see that... my last '87 Accord came to me with ghetto cut springs, ass-end was dragging all the time, dampers were bagged, handling was shit... then an upper rear ball joint snapped because of the extra strain from riding at its limit all the time, and I had to get the car towed home... woulda been a $200+ tow charge if my buddy didn't have BCAA Gold.

This thread is just dripping with failsauce.

[FN-2199]

YouTube- The Smoking Tire and Super Speeders Together: Vehicular Carnage

Your next mod?
Jump to 3:00.

You'll lose a lot of weight on the car that way so you can ride FASTERRRRRRR
You'll thank me in the future :thumbsup:

[jlenko]

I'd have to buy universal racing springs if I want springs on the cheap,

Yeah "you gotta pay to play", but there's a limit on how much one should pay, especially if you drive an older car.

I will NEVER understand why people are willing to 'go cheap' on their SUSPENSION!!

It's your car for crying out loud!! The single biggest purchase you'll make in your lifetime, aside from a house. Going cheap on suspension could cause an accident... which could KILL YOU or others.. and leave you financially F'D for your lifetime...

WHY?!?!? :cry:

[c4@urdoor]

Relax its a beaten up 25+ year old volvo and the driver is a youngun'. Not quite the biggest purchase of a lifetime.
Everyone needs experience. For better or worse.

[GabAlmighty]

It looks retarded. Volvos aren't supposed to be lowered, that's just patently ridiculous.

Somedays, I really wish I hadn't sold my last car.

edit: and a car being the second biggest purchase of a lifetime? Really?

[SpuGen]

For my car, you can't get lowering springs unless you pay around $400 shipped for them, JUST for the springs themselves (mentioned before that I drive an 87 Toyota Cressida). For half that I get front coilovers, but then again, there's cutting and welding to be done that I lack the resources for.

I'd have to buy universal racing springs if I want springs on the cheap, and there's so many out there that can fit my car and there's dozens of combinations that people use that I can't decide what's best for me. And as I mentioned before, it's either chop-chop or finding stock Mk2 Supra springs that don't exactly offer a good amount of lowering. More often than not Cressidas in my model generation run cut springs, even if the ride is shitty, they know that. Hell, if I wanted short-stroke shocks, I'd have to run shocks off of OTHER cars, and those need a bit of adjustment to fit properly.

Yeah "you gotta pay to play", but there's a limit on how much one should pay, especially if you drive an older car.

Serialnine makes coilover kits for Cressies.
$1500 is cheap. And they're Stance Coilovers.
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[CorneringArtist]

Serialnine makes coilover kits for Cressies.
$1500 is cheap. And they're Stance Coilovers.
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Knew about S9 for quite some time now, and I'm pretty stoked that the X7 coilovers came out, they're damn worth it if I had cash like that. But something costing that much for a first car is a bit excessive unless I intend to keep the car for a LONG time or wanting to track my car. As far as I know, Stance is ridiculously high-quality from what I hear. Megan Racing is doing R&D on X7 coilovers as well.

I will NEVER understand why people are willing to 'go cheap' on their SUSPENSION!!

It's your car for crying out loud!! The single biggest purchase you'll make in your lifetime, aside from a house. Going cheap on suspension could cause an accident... which could KILL YOU or others.. and leave you financially F'D for your lifetime...
WHY?!?!?

And that whole thing about "springs on the cheap". The springs in question are generic Eibach race springs, that are built shorter and stiffer than the stock springs, which in a way is a universal lowering spring that would work for my car.