[Lomac]

So my store recently had two attempted break-ins, as you'll be able to tell by the following pictures:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/lomac/Picture028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/lomac/Picture144.jpg

The first picture was their first attempt. In this one they managed to bust through the cinder blocks and actually into the store.
The second picture was their second attempt. This time, they only broke through the inner drywall and drilled two holes to see where they came out of.
Both times were in locations that aren't visible from a road, parking lot, or any other area that has much in the way of traffic. They're obviously looking for an area where there's expensive stuff, but as of yet haven't found what they're looking for. I can almost guarantee that it's going to happen again.

What I'm curious is what sort of protection or preventative measures do you think would be viable to prevent another attempt like this? I'm not talking about the RS Beatdown Crew, Trunk Monkeys or freakin' sharks with laser beams; rather, things like steel plates over the walls and the like.

Thoughts?

[El Bastardo]

I'd say get one of those fake security cameras with the red LEDs, put it outside pointed at the hidden area, and let fear do the rest

[Toeknee]

http://i48.tinypic.com/k9auqe.jpg

[classified]

LOL^^

but all seriousness get a good security system. im surprised yours didnt detect anything

[tonyvu]

^:haha::haha:

[Manic!]

Add motion sensing lights, cameras, and an alarm system.

[RenoMan]

if there willing to do that then theres not much you can do construction wise except thinker walls. Cinder block are pretty hard to break unless yuou have thin cinders, those look thin by the pictures takens

[CanadaGoose]

HAHAHAHAH kool aid man, niceee

and woww they went through the walls both times!? What the hell is inside that they want so bad?! Plant tall thick shrubs against the wall to block acess to it, you know they type that are almost all springy branches. Or if you have the money, a chain link fence right in front of the wall, like 24 inches or so, and sandwiching the shrubs in between, that'll make it a bitch to get to.

You can also pour a cement wall about 4-5 ft high in front of the wall, very close, so they have to climb it to get to the building, but then there's no space in between to swing a sledgehammer or use tools. It'll also stop them from using a vehicle to ram it in the future. Camera won't help because they are probably wearing masks.

Hope this helps

[yellowpower]

The cinder blocks look pretty damn thin.

[Lomac]

Yeah, the building is made out of thin cinder blocks. I'm not entirely sure what they're after, though. The first time they busted through they didn't actually go inside. The second time they just drilled the two peep holes to see inside. *shrug*

[- kT]

you must be selling some pretty valuable things if they're willing to go to such effort/risk to get at it =\

anyway, i think the fake things would go a lot farther then you think. but at the same time, depending on what your store sells, it's probably worth going for the real deal (cameras, motions sensors, whatever)

after all, they've attempted it twice before. third times the charm, especially with things like these. i'm surprised your lesson wasn't learned after the first time it happened though

[GLOW]

hire 1 security guard from 7pm to 7am? having a live person walk the grounds probably would deter people from knocking down walls. but then again, people are stupid, and security guards can be found sleeping in their car or something.

[hal0g0dv2]

land mines

[Culture_Vulture]

I'd say get one of those fake security cameras with the red LEDs, put it outside pointed at the hidden area, and let fear do the rest
And let the camera get stolen?

[seakrait]

grow brambles... bushes with thorns. so that they can't get close enough to smash the walls... i assume it's done with sledegehammers? i'm surprised they don't just back a truck right into the store through the cinder walls...

of course, you could go crazy and then install thin steel plates on the inside of the walls... (so that the outside of the building retains the same look)...

i forget what was said but is there a security patrol for the complex at all? security cameras won't do much unfortunately unless there are security cameras elsewhere that can perhaps catch the plate of the vehicle they're using....

and yeah, what DO you keep in there? since your walls are so thin, maybe I'll stop by for an visit myself. ;)

[91LS-VTak]

hire a masonry company to fill up the wall with cement so that it will be a lot harder to break?

[hchang]

The most inexpensive way would probably be to grow prickly shrubs but that can take a while.

Personally I'd get a fake camera pointing towards that area and maybe a few more areas around the store, it can also test how ballsy and desperate they are if they spray paint the camera, cover it, or even just take it away... but these things are cheap to buy.

If that does not work the best way would probably be a good security system.

Hope this helps.

[CanadaGoose]

If they really want to get in they will though, unless someone is patrolling. I really want to know what you keep in there! Hahaha

I'm going to play devils advocate to my own post above, but they can still just go buy a cheap ryobi battery powered chainsaw (very quiet), and crop all the shrubs/bramble bushes at very bottom where the trunks are, pull it away, and get back to the wall in no time.

I'd seriously be expecting a stolen vehicle to be smashed through the wall next, you should put down some logs or beefy curbstones around your building until you can figure out exactly what you want to do next.

[hchang]

I really want to know what you keep in there! Hahaha



I'll second that.

[dj.ac]

i work construction, give me a sledge hammer and i can take down enough of that wall to drive a truck through in 10 - 15 min.

i suggest you get the brick guys to pour cement down every hole in the blocks when you do repairs, not just the ones with rebar. Its 10X harder to bust through when they are cement filled.

[CanadaGoose]

Okay here's a few more ideas... double check your insurance coverage, buy a big ass safe and have it anchored to the subfloor, and put whatever it is they want inside it every night, they'll probably get in once and then give up.

The only guaranteed way to keep them completely out is someone to physically watch over the place at night, because if that wall is completely unattended for like 6-7 hrs every night, they'll find a way to get in no matter what you do to it. I hate to keep playing devils advocate, but if you fill the cinder blocks with cement, it makes it easier because they can just drill anchor bolts into it, and pull an entire section of the wall down with a truck. Yeah it sounds far fetched, but then again who breaks in through a wall?!

I don't know what you have inside the store, so this might not be very practical, but you can never go wrong with dogs... a few of these guys sleeping inside...they'll go apeshit if someone comes through the wall in the middle of the night lol

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3658/dobermanpinschers.jpg

[Shun Izaki]

If the made that kinda effort and so and so forth to get through that kinda wall.. then they're totally set to come back.

I'd get one of those prox sensors, those things are pretty good.

[Vansterdam]

3rd times the charm

[ziggyx]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1341/727663041_63325260bf.jpg

lol but in all seriousness.. the dogs that endless mentioned would fuck anyone up that's trying to break in or at least scare the shit out of them.

also what other people have mentioned try for motion sensing lights, a camera and a bitch ass shrub to cut down. It's probably the cheapest deterrent if it has any affect on the burglars at all. If that doesn't work hire a guard or maybe make the wall better.

I don't know what kind of area you are in but maybe try letting other stores know? It might be a long shot but if they notice anything suspicious maybe they can let police or you know.

[Lomac]

We have some expensive electronics inside, which is what they're probably going after. Coincidentally (or not), the first day we got hit was the same day the local Future Shop was broken into. That B&E was a bit more sophisticated; apparently they cut out a hole in the roof and zip lined down to the laptop cages on top of the shelves, Mission Impossible style. They managed to avoid all the motion sensors in the store that way.

We do have a full blown alarm system complete with motion sensors and cameras, but by the time the police show up, they could have grabbed what they're after and be long gone. Exterior proximity alarms wont work because there's a lot of wildlife in the area. The building next to us used to have exterior cameras, but they were constantly stolen, despite the fact that they're twenty-odd feet up in the air. We've also taken to hiring a security guard to do patrol when we're closed, but even the guard we were given expressed concern for his own safety in case the guys came back while he was in the building... :lol Dogs wont work, unfortunately.

We've got a police officer coming in on Wednesday who specializes in preventative measures to see what she can suggest we do, but I'll definitely bring up some of the ideas that have been mentioned in this thread. :)

[mickz]

LOL^^

but all seriousness get a good security system. im surprised yours didnt detect anything

A security system won't detect a hole knocked through a wall, there are no contacts there. There's probably a few PIRs somewhere inside the building that will detect motion (in reality it doesn't, only senses a change in IR in an area) and that will set off the alarm.

As with any security device, it's only made to deter thieves and keep in mind if they really want to steal something, they can get it.

Is this a well-lit area? If not you might want to consider adding a few spot lights. Are you able to restrict access to this area by putting up a fence? If the thief breaks into the building and steals something they'll need an easy way to get back out with the loot.

[Shun Izaki]

We have some expensive electronics inside, which is what they're probably going after. Coincidentally (or not), the first day we got hit was the same day the local Future Shop was broken into. That B&E was a bit more sophisticated; apparently they cut out a hole in the roof and zip lined down to the laptop cages on top of the shelves, Mission Impossible style. They managed to avoid all the motion sensors in the store that way.

We do have a full blown alarm system complete with motion sensors and cameras, but by the time the police show up, they could have grabbed what they're after and be long gone. Exterior proximity alarms wont work because there's a lot of wildlife in the area. The building next to us used to have exterior cameras, but they were constantly stolen, despite the fact that they're twenty-odd feet up in the air. We've also taken to hiring a security guard to do patrol when we're closed, but even the guard we were given expressed concern for his own safety in case the guys came back while he was in the building... :lol Dogs wont work, unfortunately.

We've got a police officer coming in on Wednesday who specializes in preventative measures to see what she can suggest we do, but I'll definitely bring up some of the ideas that have been mentioned in this thread. :)


Wait a second, i remember that FS bust in... apparently and inside job from what i was told from someone working there at the time... Rmd FS too right?

[jeffh]

you attached to any other stores? like a shared wall?
theres been a couple break-in attempts like this in kelowna. they break into one store, and then break through the shared wall between the stores to get what they want

either way, curbing so they cant ram shit and some mean ass shrubs (poison oak?)
any lawn around there so you can have the sprinklers come on randomly? not gonna stop anyone but its gonna make their lives hell while they are doing it

[quasi]

Security mesh between the steel stud and block would slow them down. It's usually used in between two store units where you wouldn't want someone cutting through the other side of the wall to get into your store. It isn't impermeable but it will slow them down for sure, would have to be cut through with a torch.

http://amico-securityproducts.com/mesh.htm

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

http://i48.tinypic.com/k9auqe.jpg

:haha::haha::haha: lollll nice job

i miss that commercial

[Soundy]

We do have a full blown alarm system complete with motion sensors and cameras, but by the time the police show up, they could have grabbed what they're after and be long gone. Exterior proximity alarms wont work because there's a lot of wildlife in the area.

Need to add Video Analytics to your camera system - software that can determine the difference between human and animal subjects, and trip and alarm if it sees a person a defined area. We're using this on a couple sites, including one with thermal-imaging cameras, and it works great.

The building next to us used to have exterior cameras, but they were constantly stolen, despite the fact that they're twenty-odd feet up in the air.

Probably using either standard box cameras in wall-mount housings, or cheap-ass IR bullet cameras - those are usually pretty easy to get down, just toss a rope over the mounting arm and give it a good yank. A solidly-mounted dome enclosure will be difficult if not impossible to remove, especially if you can't access it directly.

We've got a police officer coming in on Wednesday who specializes in preventative measures to see what she can suggest we do, but I'll definitely bring up some of the ideas that have been mentioned in this thread. :)

If you haven't guessed already, I work in video surveillance... drop me a PM if you want, I can come take a look at your setup, if you want to go that way.

[CP.AR]

I work for a steel manufacturing/engineering firm. I can hook you up with my boss if you want steel

[Soundy]

^how about if he wants to drop steel on the perps' heads? :D

[Rich Sandor]

maybe they didn't actually want to steal anything, they just wanted to smash some walls down.... or maybe they were practicing for smashing into a different building..

[you!]

i say just scatter some bear traps in the area and call it a day

[punkwax]

Same thing happened to my old office years ago. Irony is they stole a bunch of brand name surveillance equipment and probably had no idea what was in the boxes as they grabbed it.

Not much you can do prevention wise. There are siesmic detectors out there which are typically used for bank vaults and are quite expensive. Or you could use a regular dry-wall mounted shock sensor on the inside, but they'd have to be through the cinder block and pounding the drywall before they'd trip. Either one won't stop the physical damage from being done, the seismic may minimize it, but the alarm will sound and hopefully they'll flee before getting to your product.

[twitchyzero]

the first day we got hit was the same day the local Future Shop was broken into. That B&E was a bit more sophisticated; apparently they cut out a hole in the roof and zip lined down to the laptop cages on top of the shelves, Mission Impossible style. They managed to avoid all the motion sensors in the store that way.


Wait a second, i remember that FS bust in... apparently and inside job from what i was told from someone working there at the time... Rmd FS too right?
holy shit:eek:

[Soundy]

Same thing happened to my old office years ago. Irony is they stole a bunch of brand name surveillance equipment and probably had no idea what was in the boxes as they grabbed it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/3xLOGICvideo#p/a/u/2/jBXqWQAmtiI (BTW, these are the same systems we install).

[CP.AR]

^how about if he wants to drop steel on the perps' heads? :D

as long as he pays the cash for the steel :D

the place I work for manufactures everything from small steel plates to 10 tonne steel frames. take your pick!

[Soundy]

Oooo, a steel pick! That could be handy ;)