[haymura]

Ok, the time has come for me to purchase a newer, more reliable car. Ive been doing some fair research on different vehicles and ive narrowed it down to a few choices.

2010 Honda Accord coupe EX-L (not the V6)

or

2010 Hyundai Genesis 2.0L GT (not the 3.8L, 306hp)

or

2004 - 2006 Acura TL (used one)

My ideal wants in a car is a hint of luxury, leather interior, hint of sporty as well, interior space, sharp looking style, cheap maintenance, and reliability.

Ive test driven all 3 of the cars but its still hard to decide at this point becuz of a few factors:

-Acura TL is a 4dr which means more space but it is used and has quite a bit of mileage. Its definitely got luxury and style but once again, its a used car. (price is around $27,000 - $32,000 depending on mileage and year)

-The Honda Accord has a sharp look and nice overall design. room space is pretty good considering its a coupe plus it is brand new so its a fresh beginning. (price is around $35,000 $39,000 depending on model)

- Hyundai Genesis is sporty looking but with nice luxury leather interior, room space is not too bad for a 2dr, lots of options included, cheap maintenance, and the price is very tempting. (price is around $31,000 - $40,000 depending on model)

I would like to hear opinions on which one i should choose. im trying to consider the fact that the pricier ones are brand new versus the cheaper ones but used with quite a bit of mileage. My budget is $40,000 max.

[RL604]

you can get a 07+ TL for about 27g's-33g's, even the type s

[ikki]

cpo 3 series

[shenmecar]

TL is not that expensive.

I would choose the Genesis. RWD = Win.

[haymura]

cpo 3 series


bmw's are out of my list cuz the maintenance is expensive.

[orange7]

get a toyota?

[haymura]

get a toyota?


nothing really luxurious in the toyota side right now. the camry is not bad but the interior is not too stylish plus camrys are used as taxi cars commonly. also the recent recalls on toyotas have turned me off with getting a toyota for awhile.

[orange7]

nothing really luxurious in the toyota side right now. the camry is not bad but the interior is not too stylish plus camrys are used as taxi cars commonly.

used IS250? even the base model fits into your price range.

I see a lot of teens and c lai drive that around town. Plus it's a lexus :D

[haymura]

used IS250?

I see a lot of teens and c lai drive that around town. Plus it's a lexus :D

i do like the lexus line but remember, im trying to find a car with cheap maintenance. lexus is the high end of toyota so the maintenance prices are almost identical to a BMW or mecerdes.

[orange7]

Nissan maxima?
it has a vq engine!

[StylinRed]

genesis looks pretty damn good

but id feel safer with a honda but thats probably due to prejudice

[haymura]

genesis looks pretty damn good

but id feel safer with a honda but thats probably due to prejudice


i feel the same way. it took the salesman a lot of effort to convince me consider the genesis while it only took 30 seconds to convince me to consider an accord or TL. The name itself is a big thing already.

[SpuGen]

Cheap maintenance?
If you're not gonna really DRIVE it, I would go for the Accord.

Honda reliability, rear seats actually have room, and it'd be comfier than the Genesis.
I also don't know how well you can drive and what kind of driving you do, so that's why I'm suggesting the Accord. The TL would actually be my choice since you can actually use the room. You might think you don't need room to move stuff, but you will, and 4 doors > 2 doors for room.

[haymura]

Cheap maintenance?
If you're not gonna really DRIVE it, I would go for the Accord.

Honda reliability, rear seats actually have room, and it'd be comfier than the Genesis.
I also don't know how well you can drive and what kind of driving you do, so that's why I'm suggesting the Accord. The TL would actually be my choice since you can actually use the room. You might think you don't need room to move stuff, but you will, and 4 doors > 2 doors for room.


exactly my thoughts as well. ive tested the room space on the accord rear seats and they are just as comfy as normal 4 doors. i did kinda narrowed it down to a TL or an accord. I dont know what you mean though by how well i drive. if your asking if i pedal to the metal my cars then no, i do not ride my cars like im on a nurburging time attack. im mostly a subtle daily driver with the occassional "power tapping" if needed. As for 4 doors > 2 doors, i would prefer the TL since its got more space but once again its the battle between a fresh new car versus a used car, possibly not knowing the full history or whats been going on under the hood.

[hirevtuner]

before you actually decide on the car, get insurance quote for all 3 or else when you get the car, you will be in for a surprise

food for thought

[haymura]

before you actually decide on the car, get insurance quote for all 3 or else when you get the car, you will be in for a surprise

food for thought


thanks. ive already done that research as well. all 3 for me are pretty much the same price range with TL being a little bit more expensive. i am a roadstar so i get full discount.

[SpuGen]

^^
Yup. That's a big one that people don't really check out before choosing a car.

What I meant by "how well you drive", I was talking about your ability to handle your car in an emergency situation. RWD + heavy foot + not knowing what to do = pole. That's why I added the "what kind of Driving you do" I don't know you personally, so thats why I asked. I don't wanna see an RS member making a thread about crashing thier new car.

New would always be better than old. You also gotta remember that the TL's V6 has a good amount of power. it would be the best if you do random quick sprints, but it wouldn't be as economical as the Accord when you step on it. That said, I would go for the TL if you need space / if you don't have another car at home to haul big stuff. I still haul stuff around in my SC4, even though it has zero usable space. Looking back, I should've gotten something with 4 doors instead. The Accord looks really nice in white though.

[orange7]

wait for toyota+subaru rwd car?

um.. my last question is: are you really sure you really want a fwd?

[?NR]

how long are you planning to keep this new car?

[hk20000]

^ hi5 for fellow RCi helmet owner.

Depreciation is what you have to look into in this. Strangely enough the Hyundai is likely to fair very well in this because it's in such a special market.

[saiko]

Genesis Coupe would be my choice. I've heard of and seen many bad transmissions coming from the TL's and a 4cyl Accord wouldn't cut it for driving fun. V6 is where it's at.

So then a Genesis Coupe 2.0T could definitely slap a good smile on your face from time to time.

[haymura]

Orange7 - yes i prefer a FWD over RWD. i currently drive a 94 3 series RWD and i just prefer the FWD goodness plus its a little easier come snow season.

Niteraven - i plan to keep this car for as long as the car can last. I dont plan to swap cars anymore becuz of the hassle of looking for one. I wanna keep this for good which is why im taking so much effort deciding on the right one.

hk20000 - depreciation doesnt matter much to me right now since im planning to keep the car till it dies on me.

saiko - im curious about this transmission problems. is that applicable to the 2010 models of accord or was it just the previous years?

[!Aznboi128]

Honestly I've been looking for a 04+ TL and a 06+ accord for... a while sadly I can't decided as well. I test drove the hyundai a while back and really like the handling but I can't get over the fact the interior quality isn't up to par.

Here's some key points I found. If your getting the 08+ accord (8thgen) they are rock soild so far with not much call backs of anything. Sadly depending on model ( I was looking at the ex-l navi v6 ) the instrument cluster looks very complicated. There's a lot of buttons for the navi/hvac. Which sadly threw me kinda off so that's why I looked at a 7.5th gen (06-07)

The TL, for the 04-08 if you wanted sporty there's a 6speed option, however with the 6speed you can get the factory navi with it. I think it was a combo they never had, unless you got the type-s. But if your looking for a TL I would say get the 07+ that's when the redesigned the car a bit and upgraded the look of the interior. For the 04-06 the HVAC and audio if it was a non-navi model look kinda weird with a stripe in the middle dividing the two.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/images/04tl_int.jpg

just looks kinda weird, but with the 06+ it looks much better

https://www.agedstock.com/images/vehicles/vehicle_792088_10641790.jpg

As for tranny problems with the accord/tl yes they did have it for the 98-02 years for accord and up to 03 for tl but the 03+accords and 04+tl does not have as much of a problem. But it also depends on the driver. I mean if you do neutral drops, and sudden acceleration I'm sure it'll do it's damage to the transmission. I have a 99 accord, 03 accord and a 07 accord other then the 99 the 03 and 07 had no problems whatsoever.

[haymura]

^
thanks aznboi, good information. yea, i thought the strip in the middle of the audio looked weird like it was separated. nonetheless, i would definitely consider a TL. the only thing turning me off right now about those cars is the fact that its used and most of what ive found has quite a bit of mileage. I just dont want to go through the stress and hassle of finding out the car's history and the worry of undeclared hits and how the previous owners maintained and drove the car. just so much factors to think about versus a brand new car. although the price definitely is a big difference as well between the 2.

[!Aznboi128]

^
thanks aznboi, good information. yea, i thought the strip in the middle of the audio looked weird like it was separated. nonetheless, i would definitely consider a TL. the only thing turning me off right now about those cars is the fact that its used and most of what ive found has quite a bit of mileage. I just dont want to go through the stress and hassle of finding out the car's history and the worry of undeclared hits and how the previous owners maintained and drove the car. just so much factors to think about versus a brand new car. although the price definitely is a big difference as well between the 2.
I went to northshore automall they had a couple of used TLs on the lot and it has factory warranty + they provide their own. I believe there was a 07 there was 30-40k which isn't too bad.

have you looked at a 06-07 accords?

ex. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/1602421417.html

that's not bad good pricing same engine/base as the TL and you get leather, heated seats, sunroof, navi, bluetooth for cheap.

[haymura]

i just checked their used lot and most of their 07 and below TL have high mileage. ranging from 60,000km to 90,000km. I know honda/acura cars last long and could run strong even till 300,000km but id rather start fresh or at least something with only 50,000km or below.

[!Aznboi128]

Have you thought about a TSX?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/nvn/ctd/1605287868.html

same platform as the accord, enough power for around town.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

TL, no queston about it

258hp 235ish pounds of torque. Better styling, better equipped. Sporty suspension. get one with the navi if you can, A-spec lip makes the car even more sexier
plenty of room too

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/Spoony85/2008-acura-tl-interiorjpg.jpg


cant get any better than that

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Genesis Coupe would be my choice. I've heard of and seen many bad transmissions coming from the TL's and a 4cyl Accord wouldn't cut it for driving fun. V6 is where it's at.

So then a Genesis Coupe 2.0T could definitely slap a good smile on your face from time to time.

thats for the 99-03 gen

04 + have no problems with the tranny

[!Aznboi128]

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/Spoony85/2008-acura-tl-interiorjpg.jpg


cant get any better than that
that's the 06-07 tl

http://www.fantasycars.com/gallery/Cars/Acura/2004%20TL/acura_tl4.jpg
04-06 TL

http://image.motortrend.com/f/miscellaneous/the-lohdown-forget-the-bad-news-2006-audi-a6-or-2007-honda-accord/16969357+cr1+re0+ar1/2007-honda-accord-interior.jpg
04-07 accord

http://www.cardata.com/images/2009/Honda/Accord_coupe_dash.jpg
08+ accord

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/8214566/112_0805_07z+2009_acura_TSX+interior.jpg
09+ tsx

http://gallery.carreview.com/data/car/557/medium/acura_tsx_39.JPG
1st gen tsx


not a HUGE difference

[fishing666]

go with the used TL cuz it's already depreciated a lot so you don't have to take the hit. You'll find a TL that has been treated well. After that stock market crash, there's lots of goodies out there for sale

[Iceman-19]

A damn near fully loaded 3.8 GT is like 42-43 out of the door.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

which is hella overpriced for a Hyundai. Depreciate like shit, build quality was never proven, just because it sounds good on paper doesnt mean shit. Only time will tell

[XtC-604]

ok...so you said...you didnt want a lexus, because it's toyota's high end division so maint is gonna be expensive....did you forget that Acura is Honda's high end division? No such a thing as a free lunch. Get yourself a Subaru WRX STI :D

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

lexus parts a lot more expensive than toyota


Acura vs honda, slightly more if not similar

[q0192837465]

Don't u find that the new Accords are simply TOO BIG?

It really depends on ur use. Do u need the 4 doors of the TL? Even tho the TLs are used, the money u saved can be make towards any future repairs/maintenance. And you dun get the initial depreciation hit all new cars have. Your money can be put to better use.

[haymura]

^

lexus parts a lot more expensive than toyota


Acura vs honda, slightly more if not similar

exactly! i am aware of acura being the high end of honda but the parts n labour are also either close and almost as cheap as honda. lexus n toyota, regardless of the same company, differs greatly in maintenance price n labour. lexus is on par with bmw maintenance, parts n labour charges.
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[dimdiu]

instead of suggesting a car to you, i just wanna say dun consider the genesis...i heard it got a pretty fragile body frame and won't take a huge hit, plus it's a RWD, not as useful. Ever thought about vw jetta TDI? i was considering a diesel engine cuz of the price range nowadays are ridiculous. a 2010 vw jetta base with tdi engine is only $22k, might be the maintenance is a bit high but they do have an excellent interior and a sporty look, just wat you looking for.

but if u do choose an acura, just dun go to richmond acura for service/maintenance...had bad experience with them.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

dont know wats with all the hyundai hype all about lately

:rolleyes:

[haymura]

apparently hyundai is doing something right with their cars. Ive got the chance to test drive a 3.8L genesis and my first impression on it is pretty good. unfortunately when i stepped on that gas "pedal to the metal", it didnt feel like it has 306hp under the hood. it seemed to lack torque. i am not expert with cars but this is what i felt. I also didnt quite fancy the interior. it is nice for sure but somewhat basic in its design. the only thing that really made me consider the genesis is the price. for a 2.0 GT package the price came up to $31,000 after taxes and that was a fully loaded package.

[SpuGen]

^

lexus parts a lot more expensive than toyota


Acura vs honda, slightly more if not similar

Yup.
A front lower control arm for my SC400 / 2G GS is like $400-$600
The same part comes off the Supra, but in Aluminum and equal strength $200.

That's about the % of markup Lexus adds to thier Lexus parts. Even if a Toyota shares the same part, expect to pay more.

Cabin Air filters from Lexus? $100+
Same part from Toyota? $50.
Oil filters etc. It's retarded.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

apparently hyundai is doing something right with their cars. Ive got the chance to test drive a 3.8L genesis and my first impression on it is pretty good. unfortunately when i stepped on that gas "pedal to the metal", it didnt feel like it has 306hp under the hood. it seemed to lack torque. i am not expert with cars but this is what i felt. I also didnt quite fancy the interior. it is nice for sure but somewhat basic in its design. the only thing that really made me consider the genesis is the price. for a 2.0 GT package the price came up to $31,000 after taxes and that was a fully loaded package.

the 2.0GT is slow, the car is heavy for wat it is. For that money you are better off with a GTi or Mazdaspeed 3

[Mr.Jay]

dont know wats with all the Hyundai hype all about lately

:rolleyes:

I consider Hyundai one of the few car companies that are really evolving and listening to the customers. Look how far they have come, from the Accent to the Genesis. On paper its what car people wanted: affordable, light (ish), RWD coupe. Also I think this will cause the other companies to bring back their entry RWD cars again.

Plus if you pay attention to motor sports you will know that Hyundai has been upping their preformance and really want to start delveloping cars that can compete. For example in WRC, when they enter I laughed soo hard at this cheap car company trying to run with the big boys but after they started to constantly break into the top 10 as well as beat out Mitsubishi for 4th place in the manufacturers' world championship standings you have to give them some credit.

I would not buy a Hyundai but now with the Genesis I would consider it especially so in a couple years when/if their build quality is proven

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

well said, they have improved a lot over the past decade. Dont get me wrong, but as i mentioned earlier reliablity does not happen over night. We will see how it goes. There is still no need to jump boat just because the design as well as the spec looks good on paper.


But i would still take a japanese car over a korean made car in a blink of an eye. especially if its in the same if not similar price range.

[Mr.Jay]

true thats why I cant picture myself buying one however I would have to consider it as an option

I also forgot to mention that the engine in the 2.0T is pretty much a EvoX engine with slightly different internals, ecu and level of tuning.

[haymura]

i just saw the new vew passat cc and i fell in love with its design and luxury looks. any feedback regarding that car and how is vw's maintenance? is it just as expensive as maintaining a BMW or Audi?

[wasabisashimi]

Isnt acura more expensive to maintain too? like lexus to toyota.

Dont expect any room in the passat CC. Its a 4 seater with barely leg room the back

[unit]

if you can afford a new car, then at least buy a new-ish car.
dont buy an 06 or whatever unless u can purchase an extended warranty through the dealer. having no warranty is fine for an older car since its not expected, but if its a newer car i'd definitely want that warranty.

[StylinRed]

i just saw the new vew passat cc and i fell in love with its design and luxury looks. any feedback regarding that car and how is vw's maintenance? is it just as expensive as maintaining a BMW or Audi?

i don't know exactly, but from what i hear its more expensive than honda/toyota/domestics; but how much more no clue


and yeah the passat cc looks great

and to add i wouldn't consider an 06 car if you can get a '10 especially if your going to keep it for awhile; getting an older used one is like cutting your time with the car down and opening the door to problems sooner

[haymura]

http://www.automotorblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/vw-passat-cc-r-line-1.jpg

I cant take my eyes off this car. It has everything i want. 4 door sedan, spacious (compared to a 2dr obviously), luxury, and simple yet sexy. i may have made my choice....

[Rich Sandor]

^ that is a very nice car. it's a VW with the lines and quality of a Mercedes Benz.

But of course I have to suggest MotorTrend's 2010 car of the year: The Fusion.

A full load 3.5L V6 auto ~265hp/265tq with 7' nav screen, sync, leather, moonroof, 12speaker, etc etc is under $39,000cdn. AND you get 0% interest for up to 60 months. That's about $720 a month with 0 down. Damn good deal if you are considering an Accord or TL.

http://www.stangbangers.com/2010_Ford_Fusion_Sport_Pic4.jpg

[XtC-604]

Last time i checked, the next door's MDX had some pretty costly repairs and maintenance.

[dimdiu]

http://www.automotorblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/vw-passat-cc-r-line-1.jpg

I cant take my eyes off this car. It has everything i want. 4 door sedan, spacious (compared to a 2dr obviously), luxury, and simple yet sexy. i may have made my choice....

haha yes, IMO the passat is pretty sexy

if u r really considering a vw, i can hook u up with a dealer, when i bought my gti, no other vw dealership could beat his price~...just pm me if u want it

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^ that is a very nice car. it's a VW with the lines and quality of a Mercedes Benz.

But of course I have to suggest MotorTrend's 2010 car of the year: The Fusion.

A full load 3.5L V6 auto ~265hp/265tq with 7' nav screen, sync, leather, moonroof, 12speaker, etc etc is under $39,000cdn. AND you get 0% interest for up to 60 months. That's about $720 a month with 0 down. Damn good deal if you are considering an Accord or TL.

http://www.stangbangers.com/2010_Ford_Fusion_Sport_Pic4.jpg

indeed, except that grill is pretty much as horrible as the new acura's line ups

resale value drops more

[LanEvoMR]

I cant take my eyes off this car. It has everything i want. 4 door sedan, spacious (compared to a 2dr obviously), luxury, and simple yet sexy. i may have made my choice....

VW's are not that great for reliability

[dimdiu]

VW's are not that great for reliability

they are actually not that bad now, after the 09.

i've only got 1 recall so far, and it's just the DSG temperature sensor or smth

[haymura]

im bumping my thread here cuz i need help deciding between 2 cars. Now i know ive mentioned some standards of what car im looking for in this thread but i want everyone to scratch that and pretend im solely asking about these 2 cars in comparison.

im trying to decide whether to get a brand new Lexus IS250 AWD or an Acura TL SH-AWD. The price are pretty much the same on them with Acura obviously offering more power and options than the Lexus. But then again your paying for luxury status of a Lexus. If it came down to these 2 choices, which one would you guys pick?

[no_clue]

im bumping my thread here cuz i need help deciding between 2 cars. Now i know ive mentioned some standards of what car im looking for in this thread but i want everyone to scratch that and pretend im solely asking about these 2 cars in comparison.

im trying to decide whether to get a brand new Lexus IS250 AWD or an Acura TL SH-AWD. The price are pretty much the same on them with Acura obviously offering more power and options than the Lexus. But then again your paying for luxury status of a Lexus. If it came down to these 2 choices, which one would you guys pick?

this may sound rude but there is no luxury status in a IS250. Both are just premium small sports sedan. Although the TL is ugly, I would go with it as it has more features and it is bigger.

[haymura]

^

thanks for the input. im not offended by that nor do i find it rude at all. I like straight up opinions. i was under the impression that the IS250 is somewhat luxury since its a Lexus but hey, learn something new everyday.
Ive been struggling this past week figuring out which car would be the best. I had my original lists of:

- 2009 Audi A4 (heard tranny and electronic fails overtime, bad resale value, expensive to maintain but i do understand this is a high end brand)
- Mercedes C300 (heard good things but it is pricey and high cost of maintenance)
- Acura TL (fair price on maintenance, reliable, lots of options, a compromise in luxury, but ugly looking front grill)
-Lexus Is250 AWD (lack of power, lack of luxury-ness regardless that its a lexus, pricey maintenance)

any input about these cars? can anyone recommend me any of these?

[outlaw44]

End result in the choices listed is the TL not abig fan but I have seen few custom front ends that fixd it
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[fetched]

The older gen TL looks better in every way. The TL switched from a sport sedan to a family sedan.

[haymura]

just to give everyone an update. i am officially in the Audi world. I bought a 2010 Audi A4 quattro w/ premium package.

thanks for everyone's input! really appreciate all your help.