[Pumbaa]

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/03/new-mercedes-benz-amg-twin-turbo-v8-makes-563-horsepower.html

AMG vehicles equipped with the new engine will still be referred to as "63s" though because Mercedes likes the sound of it.

According to Mercedes, the S63 AMG will go from 0 to 60mph in 4.5 seconds in standard tune and a tenth quicker with the Performance Pack.The M157, as it's known internally, weighs slightly more than its predecessor (450 lbs. vs. 438), but fuel efficiency is way up. Mercedes says the S63 AMG will get up to 23.5 mpg on the highway, a 25% improvement. A stop/start feature is one reason for the increased efficiency.

[bcedhk]

should of sticked with n/a....

[TOPEC]

should of sticked with n/a....

no...

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

surprised they are going turbo now

[boostfever]

Their V12 6 liter engines on the 65 models have always been twin turbocharged. im not surprised.

[q0192837465]

^But the whole point of a 63 version is for the high revving n/a goodness. There's not really much of a point in a 63 if both 63 & 65 r FI

[Vale46Rossi]

Theres a reason tho, due to the new laws in europe about emissions and everything also this is good for modding now haha

[hk20000]

the overall fuel economy of the fleet of car a company sells in US also make this a sensible decision.

the only cars under the limit are like base C and B classes, E class bluetec and S class hybrid....so by lowering their 63 series fuel economy they can continue to sell big power saloons in the US.

[Z3guy]

^now with BMW, Mercedes, and Audi all in the turbo game, the real crazy hp wars have just begun........I say within the next 5yrs, we will see 800 OEM hp.....now 500hp seems normal....

[cococly]

Their V12 6 liter engines on the 65 models have always been twin turbocharged. im not surprised.

Those S600 SOHC V12 have always been Twin-turbo charged since the mid 90s.

[Pumbaa]

CSM Worldwide estimates downsized direct-injection turbo technology improves mileage by about 11 per cent and costs about $1,000 more. The question is whether consumers will pay the extra money when gas prices remain low. CSM figures at $3 gas, it would take more than five years to break even on the technology.

In truth, we are still paying for all these improvements. I would still pick up a N/A C63 once the used car price drops :D

[boostfever]

Those S600 SOHC V12 have always been Twin-turbo charged since the mid 90s.

true. i forgot about the 600 models.

the 73 AMG was also another engine AMG developed in late 90s and used it on SL model (R129).

[.Renn.Sport]

Those S600 SOHC V12 have always been Twin-turbo charged since the mid 90s.

pre 04 V12s are all NA

[Solo_D33A]

PRE 03 are NA 6.0L. 99ish to 03 have cylinder deactivation which gives higher mpg, but tend to break as time goes by. (360ish hp)

03 and up (with facelift) is 5.5L twin turbo, no cylinder deactivation, but stronger more reliable that previous engine.... (495hp, but people dyno it to have a general higher number... people argue since 03 have 55 AMG which makes 495hp, the 600 that's not supposed to be "sport" cannot have a higher power rating than the AMG)

[youngq]

^now with BMW, Mercedes, and Audi all in the turbo game, the real crazy hp wars have just begun........I say within the next 5yrs, we will see 800 OEM hp.....now 500hp seems normal....

please, mercedes always wins out of the 3 every time.

[Johnrb]

^now with BMW, Mercedes, and Audi all in the turbo game, the real crazy hp wars have just begun........I say within the next 5yrs, we will see 800 OEM hp.....now 500hp seems normal....
Yeah we might see a few 800hp cars

but for the most part..
these german manufacturers are going to turbos for efficiency
i don't how efficient (or necessary) an 800hp car would be

[Z3guy]

^ wins what? being the heaviest? worst handling? numbest steering feel?...if I wanted a drag car, I would buy a CTS-V

[TOPEC]

^ wins what? being the heaviest? worst handling? numbest steering feel?...if I wanted a drag car, I would buy a CTS-V

really? a CTS-V as a drag car???

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^ wins what? being the heaviest? worst handling? numbest steering feel?...if I wanted a drag car, I would buy a CTS-V

a ZR-1 swapped CTS :thumbsup:

[chromechevy]

BMW is doing turbos in their v8s, benz had to adapt aswell... too bad benz handle like poo

[Iron Chef]

mercedes will always win in the HP war

[Z3guy]

^ they better win something because they won't win handling or quality wars....

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

True that!!! :thumbsup:

YouTube- BMW M3 vs Mercedes C63 AMG vs Audi RS4 in Spain - Top Gear - BBC

[hk20000]

Driving a Merc is like playing a video game - very little feedback but everything seems to be so heroic when you do it. Complete with the comfort of your la-Z-boy at home.

[yvrnycracer]

i am just curious what they are doing to combat the inherent problems with a Direct Injection engine...

[Supafly]

Their V12 6 liter engines on the 65 models have always been twin turbocharged. im not surprised.

thank you....the older models have bi-turbos aswell...this is old news.

theres a member with a older s-class making whopping amounts of whp....thanks to a powerchip tune.;)

[rcoccultwar]

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/03/new-mercedes-benz-amg-twin-turbo-v8-makes-563-horsepower.html

AMG vehicles equipped with the new engine will still be referred to as "63s" though because Mercedes likes the sound of it.

According to Mercedes, the S63 AMG will go from 0 to 60mph in 4.5 seconds in standard tune and a tenth quicker with the Performance Pack.The M157, as it's known internally, weighs slightly more than its predecessor (450 lbs. vs. 438), but fuel efficiency is way up. Mercedes says the S63 AMG will get up to 23.5 mpg on the highway, a 25% improvement. A stop/start feature is one reason for the increased efficiency.

Neat thread. If my memory serves me correctly, Renntech had a 600series in the 90's that was emissions compliant even in California.

You know, Jay has a nice original red 300sl gullwing awaiting an engine transplant. Could this be the one??

[TOPEC]

i am just curious what they are doing to combat the inherent problems with a Direct Injection engine...

what kind of problems??

[yvrnycracer]

what kind of problems??

Quite notably the carbon build up problem seen in DI engines from VW, Audi, BMW, Porsche...

And has there even been an announcement with regards to this engine being also in the 2011 C63?

[TOPEC]

Quite notably the carbon build up problem seen in DI engines from VW, Audi, BMW, Porsche...

And has there even been an announcement with regards to this engine being also in the 2011 C63?

it'll only be a matter of time before the engine makes it across the whole fleet of car.

with the current 6.3 v8 engine, the only amg that i can think of that dont use the current 6.3 v8 are the SLK55 and G55.

[Solo_D33A]

... ain't it 6.2?:rolleyes:

[pismeov]

ok, a lot of misinformation going on here:

1. merc v12s only started being bi-turbo since 2003. it started with the s600/cl600/sl600 5.5l v12 (not 6.0l) making 493hp. this engine is further revised for the maybach to develop 543hp. in the same year, amg introduced a larger bi-turbo v12 making 612hp. as a sidenote: it has taken bmw 7 years to have a proper counter to the s600's biturbo v12. and until now, no bmw car has an engine that overpowers the 65 series amgs. to this day, very few production cars out-torque these amgs....

2. prior to 2003, the w220/c215/r230 models from 2000 had the 5.8l v12 making 362hp. this v12 had cylinder deactivation.

3. before 2000, starting from 1991, mercedes had a n/a 6l dohc v12 originally making slightly over 400hp and was slightly detuned to 389hp soon after. this was the first post-war v12 from mercedes. amg had a 7.3l v12 introduced in the 90s and was fitted into the sl73amg. this engine has been further refined and now is being used as the engine of the pagani zonda. aside from this engine, amg had various other v12s made through the years (in very small quantities). the original s63/cl63 w220/cl215 cars introduced early into the 21st century actually had 6.3l v12s making 444hp. however, all these engines were always based on mercedes v12s.

4. aside from the bi-turbo v12s, amg has had made other force-induction motors. the most famous is the 5.5l v8 used anywhere from the w211 e55 to the slr mclaren. this engine made anywhere from 476hp to over 620. this engine was well-known for its unmatched torque figure and unmistakable exhaust note (ever hear an slr go by? it's so different than other exotics.) amg also had the 3.2l supercharged v6 fitted into the c32 and the slk32. again, these engines were based on regular mercedes motor with the corresponding cylinder count.

extra info:

5. the amg 6.2 is the first amg motor to be completely designed from scratch by amg. this is why this motor has no similarity to the current merc 5.5 v8.

6. the upcoming 5.5l bi-turbo v8 will be the second motor to be completely developed by amg.

7. mercedes is no stranger to force induction; they were the first manufacturer to introduce supercharging to the automobile.

8. the 6.3 moniker has always been special to mercedes as prior to the 90s, their largest motor mercedes had was a 6.3l v8. the legendary 300 sel amg used a 6.3l engine and was the inspiration for the new s-class amg concept featuring the new biturbo v8.

original amg s-class:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_UYUyHACXkrA/SI7Wc464DII/AAAAAAAAHLA/gYxJi9Y4Wvc/s1600-h/1971+Mercedes-Benz+300+SEL+6.8+AMG.jpg