[punkwax]

I searched, found an '08 Civic vs. Fit thread but it wasn't specifically SI and I figure since then more people have had opportunity to compare the two.

I'm seriously considering selling my IS250 and getting into something a little more practical. (Everything considered, gas mileage, premium vs. reg gas, maintenance, repair costs etc.)

At first, I was set on the new SI coupes. Love the look, decent HP, 6sp manual etc. but the more I was looking into them the more I read people saying Fits are just as, if not more, fun to drive and much more practical / economical.

Lack of HP is a minor concern of mine as I have a few hills to negotiate on my daily commute. My old 1.6EL kind of sucked going up these hills and I'd usually turn off the AC going up them because I could really feel the difference in torque. :o

For me, here are the pros and cons in comparison of each other:

Civic pros - styling, HP, 6sp manual
cons - premium gas, gas mileage, higher insurance

Fit pros - reg gas, gas mileage, storage (hockey gear), less insurance
cons - lack of HP, need mods asap (to be more "me")

Of course I plan to test drive both before making a decision but want to know if anyone on RS has any input or experience with both.

Thanks!

[BoS_DC2]

Have you considered the CIvic SI Sedans?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Si all the way


FIT = gutless, whether u need the power or not. 110hp is 110hp

[orange7]

nooo... don't sell your IS250...

[hotong]

i would go with the si

[orange7]

if you want something economical & practical, have you considered those other choices: mazda 3, kia koupe, golf gti, .............

[albert116]

I have a 08 FG2 and it's surprisingly practical. Managed to fit a 46 inch LCD TV into the back on one occasion, and also managed to fit 3 ppl + ski /snowboard gear on another occasion...so i think it should be no problem for you if you are looking to fit in your hockey gear.

not getting good gas mileage on mine, however...getting around 12L/100km these days (mostly city), with spirited driving once in a while...insurance wise i am paying just over $1700 with 43% discount.

it's definitely a fun car to drive if you don't mind shifting at 3.5k-4k rpm (my car is completely stock and you'll want to shift at least 3.5k anyways--as the car feels really slow if you shift anywhere below that)

[punkwax]

Have you considered the CIvic SI Sedans?

Yes, if I found a sedan that was a better purchase, (less kms, no acc, 1 owner, better shape etc) I would take it.

if you want something economical & practical, have you considered those other choices: mazda 3, kia koupe, golf gti, .............

Yes I have :)

Si all the way


FIT = gutless, whether u need the power or not. 110hp is 110hp

Have you driven one? I've heard they're surprisingly quick and fun to drive for the HP.

[punkwax]

I have a 08 FG2 and it's surprisingly practical. Managed to fit a 46 inch LCD TV into the back on one occasion, and also managed to fit 3 ppl + ski /snowboard gear on another occasion...so i think it should be no problem for you if you are looking to fit in your hockey gear.

not getting good gas mileage on mine, however...getting around 12L/100km these days (mostly city), with spirited driving once in a while...insurance wise i am paying just over $1700 with 43% discount.

it's definitely a fun car to drive if you don't mind shifting at 3.5k-4k rpm (my car is completely stock and you'll want to shift at least 3.5k anyways--as the car feels really slow if you shift anywhere below that)

Should've been more specific, sometimes I drive others to hockey and have to borrow wifey's LR3. So the Fit would be good for hockey gear x 2.

I don't plan to shift below 3.5K. :D

Thanks for input.

[spoon.ek9]

if you don't mind paying for the Si, do it up. i have nothing against the Fit, it's just a totally different platform to start with.

and don't worry about Mugen Evolution, he hates any civic/fit that doesn't have a k20a in it :p

[Jackygor]

SI all the way

[JqC]

I'd go with the SI all the way, almost bought one myself a while ago. The 8000+ redline will be worth any extra costs you'd have to pay over the Fit.

[gilly]

i own a 09 fit and the gas mileage on the car is great. I average. 6.5-7 L/100km city and highway. When i have 5 people in the car, they say its surprisingly roomy for a small car. Trunk is big too. For power, its alright. You don't have to turn off a/c or anything like that when going up hills.

[optiblue]

I would go with the SI

[RabidRat]

you really, REALLY need to test drive a Fit first. these people who say that Fits are amazing to drive and handle awesome are speaking about it compared to the rest of the market segment. they may very well blow the competition out of the water. but the Si is a whole other story. even if you were to throw money into a K20 swap or go FI, swap in racing seats, the driving position, steering feel, shifting feel, all of that as a driving experience package is totally different.

honestly you'd have to be pretty undiscerning to be able to test drive them back to back and not really notice much of a difference. the only way you'd find out if you're that jaded to driving experience is to go try them back to back.

[!Aznboi128]

I test drove both fit and the si and I like the fit more fits my purpose but the problem is I figured I need to spend a lot of money to make the fit where I want it but still no where close to the si price.

I say fit, just cause it's fun little car, and a civic si is a civic. (Not that it's bad but there's so many)
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[punkwax]

you really, REALLY need to test drive a Fit first. these people who say that Fits are amazing to drive and handle awesome are speaking about it compared to the rest of the market segment. they may very well blow the competition out of the water. but the Si is a whole other story. even if you were to throw money into a K20 swap or go FI, swap in racing seats, the driving position, steering feel, shifting feel, all of that as a driving experience package is totally different.

honestly you'd have to be pretty undiscerning to be able to test drive them back to back and not really notice much of a difference. the only way you'd find out if you're that jaded to driving experience is to go try them back to back.

^ Not entirely true. I've been reading people changing their minds about civics and going Fit after comparing the two. I understand what you're saying, but the examples I was referring to were in comparison of another.

I definitely plan to drive both back to back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting the Fit to be an SI on the road, just seeing if anyone else has gone through the same situation and seeking input.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

dont see how 110hp can be anywhere NEAR quick

[KingCrimson]

I say SI...
but how much are you selling IS250 for??
Lol

[Anjew]

i have an SI and my gf has a fit, si all the way

[spoon.ek9]

dont see how 110hp can be anywhere NEAR quick

hey, that's 18 more hp than my EF's d15b7 :lol

[spoonek4]

hey, that's 18 more hp than my EF's d15b7 :lol

Fit's got more power but it's much heavier & runs a drive by wire setup which I really hated. U really can't compare those two coz they simply came from two different generation.

I'm a 07 fit owner myself. I had the same question in my mind before I got the fit. I wanted the si sedan badly however, not even available in the market back then. I had to sell my previous car so I bought a fit.

Anyway, if you can afford a si sedan, go for it. If it's a little hard for you to pay it off/insurance is too much for you, then go with the fit.

[Ikkaku]

sometimes I wonder if people use peppy and fast interchangably, and why?

I can see the Fit being peppy for city driving, but not fast in the sense of highway driving?

[TL_99]

if you don't plan to shift below 3.5k RPM, get the SI, the fuel economy on the fit is not going to be "great" if u shift at 4K RPM every time. You're probably looking at around 7.5-8.5 L per 100km.

The fit is gutless because of its tiny engine. But if you drive manual, it is fun and pretty quick. Just downshift more often.

[tofu1413]

driven all three. Older fit is funner to drive.

SI is nice to own, other else than it wont be as practical as the hatchback of a Fit.

Mileage on both cars should be similar too assuming you arent lead footed.

[joquio]

I sold my 07 Fit for a 08 Civic SI Sedan.

Never looked back.
Fit is peppy and fun to drive but the SI is even "funner".
Reving past 8k just feels too gooooood :)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

anything thats underpower shall never be categorized in the fun factor setence.

[eurochevy]

honestly the fit is like said above absolutely gutless...it goes no where..and thats why u get such good gas mileage out of it..its 110hp engine ...when your actually cruising along you don't need much power to keep ur speed generally hence the gas savings of having such a tiny engine...but if u don't mind getting from 0-60 in forever and the almost not being able to get up a hill without reving it or having it rev high then no problem..the thing gets tremendous gas milage ..my friend fills up like once for every like 2-3 times that i fill up

[spoon.ek9]

Fit's got more power but it's much heavier & runs a drive by wire setup which I really hated. U really can't compare those two coz they simply came from two different generation.

I'm a 07 fit owner myself. I had the same question in my mind before I got the fit. I wanted the si sedan badly however, not even available in the market back then. I had to sell my previous car so I bought a fit.

Anyway, if you can afford a si sedan, go for it. If it's a little hard for you to pay it off/insurance is too much for you, then go with the fit.

haha i wasn't trying to make a serious statement there :lol

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

honestly the fit is like said above absolutely gutless...it goes no where..and thats why u get such good gas mileage out of it..its 110hp engine ...when your actually cruising along you don't need much power to keep ur speed generally hence the gas savings of having such a tiny engine...but if u don't mind getting from 0-60 in forever and the almost not being able to get up a hill without reving it or having it rev high then no problem..the thing gets tremendous gas milage ..my friend fills up like once for every like 2-3 times that i fill up

exactly, i dont know what kind of expectation people have. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

110hp called fun seriously makes me laugh my ass off

Try going up Galardi, good luck with that, or merging on the hwy. even if u metal to the medal it aint going anywhere

[XtC-604]

turbo fit, problem solved

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

anything turbo, problem solved.

You point?

[twitchyzero]

i think we understood your fit-bashing opinions by the 10th post...no need to be reinforcing that. People think the fit is a zippy car for what it's worth, let it be

[c4@urdoor]

It blows my mind why someone would buy a fit, and then turbo it.
1)It's strictly an economy car
2)Now that you turbo'ed it, the economy part is now out the window.
3)You are now making only 180* (* estimate depending on boost) which is still not enough to keep up with a NA Civic Si, and now your gas mileage is complete shit.
4)It's a freakin fit.
5)Engine is gonna blow up sooner than later.

Why oh why.

[shenmecar]

Depends on needs. I think the Civic Si would be funner to drive. But the Fit is a lot cheaper to buy and to maintain. A Fit can be just as fun as a Civic Si, but you'll compromise gas mileage and practicality if you turbo/supercharge it.

A stock Fit is gutless going up a hill but its all you need to zip around town.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

get a corolla than

that thing should be fun to drive around town as well. hell even a geo metro shall be fun

[tofu1413]

or.......


get a really really clean ITR or even RSX type S. Si fun, fit practicality.

[Leopold Stotch]

^ i refuse to believe anything that has less than 150 ft/lbs of torque to be enough in the city.

[XtC-604]

It blows my mind why someone would buy a fit, and then turbo it.
1)It's strictly an economy car
2)Now that you turbo'ed it, the economy part is now out the window.
3)You are now making only 180* (* estimate depending on boost) which is still not enough to keep up with a NA Civic Si, and now your gas mileage is complete shit.
4)It's a freakin fit.
5)Engine is gonna blow up sooner than later.

Why oh why.
1) so the civic isn't an economy car right? Fast n Furious style.
2) like i said, the civic is by no means a sports car :haha:
3) 180 to the wheels is plenty enough to beat an Si
4) imo Fits look better than the Civics. More practical as well.
5)Build the engine to take high boost. Damn 30+ Psi on a built engine and it will tear those civics to shreds.
Either way both are econoboxes, least the fit has some novelty in it (girls find it cute atleast) :)


^ i refuse to believe anything that has less than 150 ft/lbs of torque to be enough in the city.
Damn, i guess all the bikes don't have enough tq yet they'd destroy what you drive in a heartbeat

[XtC-604]

exactly, i dont know what kind of expectation people have. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

110hp called fun seriously makes me laugh my ass off

Try going up Galardi, good luck with that, or merging on the hwy. even if u metal to the medal it aint going anywhere
BTW miatas had ~110 as well. So that must of been a boring car too right ?

[notching]

this is like a honda calling another honda rice

imo, both are honduhs, both have no torque, both are fwd econo platforms
funny to see them owners spaz at each others honda models

[Tapioca]

or.......


get a really really clean ITR or even RSX type S. Si fun, fit practicality.

Bang on. It's too bad that Honda stopped making hatchbacks with proper VTEC engines. The RSX was a good car, but the Integra was an even better car (for its time, anyway.) Save the cash and buy something nice for your wife, or your house.

[XtC-604]

this is like a honda calling another honda rice

imo, both are honduhs, both have no torque, both are fwd econo platforms
funny to see them owners spaz at each others honda models

no man according to mugen evolution his idea is that the SI is a mega monster uber powerful sportscar Lololololol

[PiuYi]

Civic pros - styling, HP, 6sp manual
cons - premium gas, gas mileage, higher insurance

gas mileage on a civic is a CON??? that's pretty stingy on gas mileage hahaha

i think it all boils down to what you really want/need, style and speed definitely go with SI, practicality and cost, go with the fit

i must add though, the 5spd is kinda annoying on highways, if they made fit with 6spd it'd be much better

exactly, i dont know what kind of expectation people have. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

110hp called fun seriously makes me laugh my ass off

Try going up Galardi, good luck with that, or merging on the hwy. even if u metal to the medal it aint going anywhere

i think you're exaggerating quite a bit here, i have a 07 fit and ive never ever had problems with its power going up any hill in GVRD or merging in highway... obviously with such a small engine you'd have to rev it up to 4-5k rpm to make use of all 110hp, but i don't mind revving up a honda engine more often (sounds great and feels great to know you're using your engine to its max potential)

all in all its not gonna win you races but i've never found it lacking in power

[c4@urdoor]

1) so the civic isn't an economy car right? Fast n Furious style.
2) like i said, the civic is by no means a sports car :haha:
3) 180 to the wheels is plenty enough to beat an Si
4) imo Fits look better than the Civics. More practical as well.
5)Build the engine to take high boost. Damn 30+ Psi on a built engine and it will tear those civics to shreds.
Either way both are econoboxes, least the fit has some novelty in it (girls find it cute atleast) :)



Damn, i guess all the bikes don't have enough tq yet they'd destroy what you drive in a heartbeat


Wow where do I start?
1/2)It's helluva more sporty than a fit, turbo or not.
3)Wrong.
4)It's your opinion.
5)Exactly, how much does it cost to build the engine, then turbo it?
If we are talking internals here, must be at LEAST 6-7k when its all said and done. With 2k I can get I/H/E, and Hondata and fucking destroy a 30 PSI Fit, and look better doing it.
5k into engine and suspension and an Si is far from an econobox.


Regarding the bike comment. Wtf, seriously. You are comparing 400 pound bikes on 2 wheels to 2500 pound cars on 4 wheels.
Try trolling better please.

[XtC-604]

Wow where do I start?
1/2)It's helluva more sporty than a fit, turbo or not.
3)Wrong.
4)It's your opinion.
5)Exactly, how much does it cost to build the engine, then turbo it?
If we are talking internals here, must be at LEAST 6-7k when its all said and done. With 2k I can get I/H/E, and Hondata and fucking destroy a 30 PSI Fit, and look better doing it.
5k into engine and suspension and an Si is far from an econobox.


Regarding the bike comment. Wtf, seriously. You are comparing 400 pound bikes on 2 wheels to 2500 pound cars on 4 wheels.
Try trolling better please.
I can't believe this :haha::haha::haha: Sporty :haha::haha::haha: FWD econobox = sporty :haha:
I know for a fact that a 180WHP fit will beat an SI
You really think that an SI with I/H/E and a flash will beat a 30PSI fit ? Lets say we use a small turbo, a 18g Lol, thats still more than enough to beat that SI at 30PSI.

So tell me why an SI is far from an econobox?? does that make the XRS far from an econobox as well?

Trolling? lmao by that reasoning of weight. You've just hurt your own argument.
2010 fit sport ~2500lbs 2010 civic si ~2900lbs
L15 123nm tq @ 4600rpm K20 189nm tq @ 6200rpm.
So that 400lb more is covered by 66nm more TQ? lOlololol damn that SI must fly up hills, not to mention its alot higher in the revs

[c4@urdoor]

I can't believe this :haha::haha::haha: Sporty :haha::haha::haha: FWD econobox = sporty :haha:
I know for a fact that a 180WHP fit will beat an SI
You really think that an SI with I/H/E and a flash will beat a 30PSI fit ? Lets say we use a small turbo, a 18g Lol, thats still more than enough to beat that SI at 30PSI.

So tell me why an SI is far from an econobox?? does that make the XRS far from an econobox as well?


I know see comprehending the English language is not your forte.
Ok, would it help if I added these?
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha::haha::haha:

I said its MORE sporty than A FIT.
I know for a fact you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You obviously have never driven a tuned k20.

Again, read carefully, 5 k into a k20 engine and suspension, are you're telling me an Si wouldn't be a sporty ride?

What kind of idiot would invest at least 7k into a fucking fit anyways?
You are looking at roughly 20+k for a newer, properly built and turboed fit. Guess what, with that money I can buy a stock s2000 and dummyfuck your fit. There is no justification in putting any money into a fit. Period.

[XtC-604]

I know see comprehending the English language is not your forte.
Ok, would it help if I added these?
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha::haha::haha:

I said its MORE sporty than A FIT.
I know for a fact you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You obviously have never driven a tuned k20.

Again, read carefully, 5 k into a k20 engine and suspension, are you're telling me an Si wouldn't be a sporty ride?

What kind of idiot would invest at least 7k into a fucking fit anyways?
You are looking at roughly 20+k for a newer, properly built and turboed fit. Guess what, with that money I can buy a stock s2000 and dummyfuck your fit. There is no justification in putting any money into a fit. Period.
oh excellent you've finally mentioned a sports car. I acknowledge that you've said MORE sporty, but what you are not understanding is they are both econoboxes, thats like saying my apple is a better fruit than your pineapple.
In this day in age, the word sporty is being tossed around and exchanged with the word peppy far too often. I would say an SI with 5k into it would be a peppy ride, but not a sporty ride. An FWD will never be a sporty car. As the term SPORTY comes from the root word SPORT. Last time i checked there were no sports cars that were FWD. Further more none of the sports cars i can think of were ever based off an econobox platform.
PS useage of smilies does not indicate level of english proficiency. However it does indicate the amount of laughs i had reading your rebuttle.

BTW you still haven't explained to me how a civic SI is far from econobox. Lol i should go around telling people that their corolla XRS isn't an econobox the next time i see one :haha:

[joquio]

I can't believe this :haha::haha::haha: Sporty :haha::haha::haha: FWD econobox = sporty :haha:
I know for a fact that a 180WHP fit will beat an SI
You really think that an SI with I/H/E and a flash will beat a 30PSI fit ? Lets say we use a small turbo, a 18g Lol, thats still more than enough to beat that SI at 30PSI.

So tell me why an SI is far from an econobox?? does that make the XRS far from an econobox as well?

Trolling? lmao by that reasoning of weight. You've just hurt your own argument.
2010 fit sport ~2500lbs 2010 civic si ~2900lbs
L15 123nm tq @ 4600rpm K20 189nm tq @ 6200rpm.
So that 400lb more is covered by 66nm more TQ? lOlololol damn that SI must fly up hills, not to mention its alot higher in the revs


So....Why would you want to spend 10g for turbo and build engine on the Fit JUST TO BEAT the SI?
Doesn't make much sense to me. Why not get the SI in the first place?
Much cheaper and way less hassle for the same, if not more power?:crazy2:

[XtC-604]

So....Why would you want to spend 10g for turbo and build engine on the Fit JUST TO BEAT the SI?
Doesn't make much sense to me. Why not get the SI in the first place?
Much cheaper and way less hassle for the same, if not more power?:crazy2:
read again, you could probably do a bolt on kit on the Fit and make 180WHP which is better than the SI's 200hp @ the crank. So Fit + 4g or so on turbo kit = win Lololol. I've already explained the benefits of a fit. It looks cuter (+1 in the girls column :D) its peppy enough as is, but if you really wanted to spank an SI there you have a way. It's cheaper by shit tons in that market segment. It's more practical. Cheaper to maintain / operate.

[c4@urdoor]

read again, you could probably do a bolt on kit on the Fit and make 180WHP which is better than the SI's 200hp @ the crank. So Fit + 4g or so on turbo kit = win Lololol. I've already explained the benefits of a fit. It looks cuter (+1 in the girls column :D) its peppy enough as is, but if you really wanted to spank an SI there you have a way. It's cheaper by shit tons in that market segment. It's more practical. Cheaper to maintain / operate.

Please stop with this nonsense.

With the money you put into a bolt on kit, again, I can use that for I/H/E and Hondata with the Si, and boom, your turbo'ed fit is obsolete. And i'd still have plenty leftover for suspension/aesthetics.
Cuter? Who the fuck wants a cute car? Do you wear a skirt?
It's NOT peppy as is. What the hell is wrong with these people calling the fit peppy?
CSX/CivicSi is not a whole lot more expensive than a fit. Not when you consider how much more of a car you are getting.
How is it more practical? Hatchback? Big effin deal.

Cheaper to maintain/operate? How? I'm a dumbfounded by these comments.
A stock Honda fit and Si will cost exactly the same to maintain and operate, aside from an extra 2-3 km's a litre with the fit. Perhaps insurance too.

If you are talking about turbo, the fit will cost 100x more to maintain and operate than a tuned Si.

[joquio]

read again, you could probably do a bolt on kit on the Fit and make 180WHP which is better than the SI's 200hp @ the crank. So Fit + 4g or so on turbo kit = win Lololol. I've already explained the benefits of a fit. It looks cuter (+1 in the girls column :D) its peppy enough as is, but if you really wanted to spank an SI there you have a way. It's cheaper by shit tons in that market segment. It's more practical. Cheaper to maintain / operate.

It won't be cheaper to maintain/operate after you turboed it.
Don't get me wrong, I owned a 07 Fit Sport before and while it's good car in regards to fuel consumption and practicality. Performance wise is just not on the same level as the SI and I don't even consider the SI as a "Sports Car".
You said 4g for the turbo kit from which company? HKS? T1R? those give around 160WHP not 180. For 180WHP you need 6g plus tune.

[joquio]

Please stop with this nonsense.

With the money you put into a bolt on kit, again, I can use that for I/H/E and Hondata with the Si, and boom, your turbo'ed fit is obsolete. And i'd still have plenty leftover for suspension/aesthetics.
Cuter? Who the fuck wants a cute car? Do you wear a skirt?
It's NOT peppy as is. What the hell is wrong with these people calling the fit peppy?
CSX/CivicSi is not a whole lot more expensive than a fit. Not when you consider how much more of a car you are getting.
How is it more practical? Hatchback? Big effin deal.

Cheaper to maintain/operate? How? I'm a dumbfounded by these comments.
A stock Honda fit and Si will cost exactly the same to maintain and operate, aside from an extra 2-3 km's a litre with the fit. Perhaps insurance too.

If you are talking about turbo, the fit will cost 100x more to maintain and operate than a tuned Si.

LOL beat me to it.

Good points and exactly what I thought too.
I only spend around 3g for I/H/E + Hondata Flashpro + Buddyclub Coilover and I don't think a "turboed" Fit can do much of your shredding to my car.

[ajax]

check out http://www.8thcivic.com if you get the SI!

[XtC-604]

Please stop with this nonsense.

With the money you put into a bolt on kit, again, I can use that for I/H/E and Hondata with the Si, and boom, your turbo'ed fit is obsolete. And i'd still have plenty leftover for suspension/aesthetics.
Cuter? Who the fuck wants a cute car? Do you wear a skirt?
It's NOT peppy as is. What the hell is wrong with these people calling the fit peppy?
CSX/CivicSi is not a whole lot more expensive than a fit. Not when you consider how much more of a car you are getting.
How is it more practical? Hatchback? Big effin deal.

Cheaper to maintain/operate? How? I'm a dumbfounded by these comments.
A stock Honda fit and Si will cost exactly the same to maintain and operate, aside from an extra 2-3 km's a litre with the fit. Perhaps insurance too.

If you are talking about turbo, the fit will cost 100x more to maintain and operate than a tuned Si.

Lol... i guess the smiley face didn't give up the sarcasm note. It's plenty peppy, it has more readily available TQ than the SI. incase you didnt know the feeling of peppiness comes from TQ and not the 90HP difference. 30,665 after taxes is what a base SI will cost you. 22,713 for a base fit sport after taxes. HMMMM NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE. ONLY 8G hmm....8g/23g thats only 35% of the Fit's total cost. No not much difference at all. Considering the features are the same. Operation costs...lol i believe the insurance cost on a Fit is alot lower than the SI because of all the fast and furious drivers that the SI attracts. According to EPA, its more than 2-3kms more per liter Lmao. 29mpg average on the Fit. and 24 on the SI.
hmm with the 8g difference, id probably say you could do a K20 swap from an RSX-S. Actually it has been done, by quite a few people actually using hasport mounts and Kpro dual ecu setup. Then you'd have a lighter car with the same power OMG!

BTW you didn't haven't explained to me how a Civic SI is far from econobox?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

what kind of crack are you smoking. NO one mentioned SI is a race car or anywhere near that line. FIt? gutless, end of story. SI at least it can go when you want it to go, not sitting in traffic and all you hear is noise.


Mazda 3, econo box. Speed 3 , SPORT-IER version. NO one going to debate that MS3 is a race car. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


110hp is 110hp, not much to defend or is it? goes around the city? yes! grocery getter? perfect! good on gas and thats it. Nothing more nothing less, dont bring FUN to drive and semi sporty along those lines, because it simply doesnt belong in that category.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Yes, if I found a sedan that was a better purchase, (less kms, no acc, 1 owner, better shape etc) I would take it.



Yes I have :)



Have you driven one? I've heard they're surprisingly quick and fun to drive for the HP.

i test drove 09 TSX, CSX (none type S) and i find it underpower. If those car are under power than no i do not need to test out a 110hp and be expecting it can accelerate properly.

my last EK had 127hp and i find it slow. All you hear is noise, dont think minus 17hp i can expect it to do any better now can i.

[punkwax]

gas mileage on a civic is a CON??? that's pretty stingy on gas mileage hahaha

In direct comparison with a Fit, yes it's a con. I was comparing the two, remember? :p

Anyway, thanks to those who've added some useful input.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

econo box? i think not

YouTube- Civic Type R Returns (FD2) - CTR MEGA TEST & BATTLE - Best Motoring International


corners faster than a FD, R34, EVo6, regular NSX. better yet its an FWD, so keep on bashing your ignorant shit. DC2 R was based on a econo box, look how it can keep up with other RWD in its class no problem.


YouTube- INTEGRA Type R MEGA TEST & BATTLE - Best Motoring International

I dont see the RX8/IS300 with their almighty RWD smoking the FWD platforms

[eurochevy]

OR just not get a civic or a fit lol all this fighting over 2 economy cars when u boil down to it

[c4@urdoor]

Lol... i guess the smiley face didn't give up the sarcasm note. It's plenty peppy, it has more readily available TQ than the SI. incase you didnt know the feeling of peppiness comes from TQ and not the 90HP difference. 30,665 after taxes is what a base SI will cost you. 22,713 for a base fit sport after taxes. HMMMM NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE. ONLY 8G hmm....8g/23g thats only 35% of the Fit's total cost. No not much difference at all. Considering the features are the same. Operation costs...lol i believe the insurance cost on a Fit is alot lower than the SI because of all the fast and furious drivers that the SI attracts. According to EPA, its more than 2-3kms more per liter Lmao. 29mpg average on the Fit. and 24 on the SI.
hmm with the 8g difference, id probably say you could do a K20 swap from an RSX-S. Actually it has been done, by quite a few people actually using hasport mounts and Kpro dual ecu setup. Then you'd have a lighter car with the same power OMG!

BTW you didn't haven't explained to me how a Civic SI is far from econobox?

Ok, now I know you are trolling.

Si with 5k in engine and suspension is far from an econobox. As Joquio if he considers he ride an econobox. This whole FF cant be sporty shit is ridiculous.

You wouldn't ask that stupid question if you've actually driven a tuned Si before, instead of babbling out your ass.

You can swap whatever the hell you want into a fit, in the end of the day its still an ugly little bug.

GUESS WHAT I CAN THROW A SMALL BLOCK INTO A DATSUN 510 (which I have) AND KICK THE SHIT OUT OF A FIT WITH K20 SWAP WOWOWOWOWOW

You can go on and on about swapping engines out of cars, that defeats the purpose of this entire conversation. This is about Civic Si vs Fit.
Not Civic Si vs Fit with transplanted k20.:facepalm:

Who the hell buys new cars anyways? Worst investment ever.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pml/cto/1645397397.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/cto/1640213354.html

Both 07's. Both near the same mileage. Hell, that Fit isnt even the sport model.

WOW THE SI IS CHEAPER OMG!

[eurochevy]

econo box? i think not

YouTube- Civic Type R Returns (FD2) - CTR MEGA TEST & BATTLE - Best Motoring International (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaUTJUEzDg)


corners faster than a FD, R34. better yet its an FWD, so keep on bashing your ignorant shit. DC2 R was based on a econo box, look how it can keep up with other RWD in its class no problem.

i'd like to see a cobalt ss turbo up against this and see how they react lol

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

cobalt SS turbo is a beast, that thing has tons of potential. Its too bad there are a very rare breed on the street. THey have proven its performance thru the track, > MS3

[eurochevy]

cobalt SS turbo is a beast, that thing has tons of potential. Its too bad there are a very rare breed on the street. THey have proven its performance thru the track, > MS3

;) 330hp 350 tq with just a good tuner

[PDKGD3]

rofl.
Fit mileage isnt as great as you think.
A civic would get better mileage.

..and lol@30lbs to get 180whp.

Get a 4dr civic.

[cressydrift]

This is Apple vs Orange nitwits. The guy is wondering if he wants a solid apple or a zesty orange. I keep seeing is250 as your current car, why not just keep that?

An option I see no one is really talking about or suggesting is a high class, stunning super model of a car, 1982 Toyota Tercel (shit brown colour with tan interior). Peppy, reliable, cheap a real looker. Lots of options including glass and a seatbelt. If your looking for a point A - B car then call Sally and shoot the dog.

[XtC-604]

i test drove 09 TSX, CSX (none type S) and i find it underpower. If those car are under power than no i do not need to test out a 110hp and be expecting it can accelerate properly.

my last EK had 127hp and i find it slow. All you hear is noise, dont think minus 17hp i can expect it to do any better now can i.
learn to drive. If my friends mom who is the worst fucking driver i know can accelerate and merge on highways properly. I believe that it has enough power. You also are forgetting weight into equation, hello the CSX is heavier than a regular civic. We are talking a difference of 400+ lbs yet only a 66nm TQ diff thats not as easily accessible. I don't need to know who you are or seen how you drive if this is how you think. If you want acceleration, you've gone to the wrong car. Assuming you drive a Honda. Get a merc, one with an AMG engine to it or a Ford, you know those mustangs, chargers etc

econo box? i think not

YouTube- Civic Type R Returns (FD2) - CTR MEGA TEST & BATTLE - Best Motoring International (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaUTJUEzDg)


corners faster than a FD, R34, EVo6, regular NSX. better yet its an FWD, so keep on bashing your ignorant shit. DC2 R was based on a econo box, look how it can keep up with other RWD in its class no problem.


YouTube- INTEGRA Type R MEGA TEST & BATTLE - Best Motoring International (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7GDQ_kxnoY&feature=related)

I dont see the RX8/IS300 with their almighty RWD smoking the FWD platforms

Wait so your telling me stripped out econobox that can keep up = sporty and not econobox???? Hell its time to buy myself an SI and go compete in JGTC or formula one. Lmao. You ever wonder why the preferred flatform in most types of racing or real sports cars have been rear drive or rear biased awd ?because it STEERS PROPERLY.
Having your drive wheels doing steering as well is retarded and creates something known as torque steer, you know when your dashboard vibrates like shit and you ain't going anywhere? yea that sound, the sound of fail.

rofl.
Fit mileage isnt as great as you think.
A civic would get better mileage.

..and lol@30lbs to get 180whp.

Get a 4dr civic.
no i didn't mean you'd actually need to go 30 PSI to get 180whp. Most kits from say HKS or T1R have stock boost at 8-9 PSI and that gets ~180.

[hchang]

I would choose Honda Fit.

Those things have amazing gas mileages, and look pretty good, and amazing with mods.
Like you've already mentioned, Civics insurance more expensive, and imo theres way too many of them on the road... in richmond at least.

[c4@urdoor]

@ XTC
LMAO, Type R is a stripped out econobox?

You are a tool like no other.

[XtC-604]

@ XTC
LMAO, Type R is a stripped out econobox?

You are a tool like no other.
Read what you typed again. Doesn't it awfully sound alot like ricer fags that say
OMGGGGGG TYPE RRRRRRRR
or if you're chinese TYPE AR LO
The type r does have it's merits, more output from the engine, reinforced chassis and weight reduction. hmmm doesn't that awfully sound alot more like a sports car. Regardless, its not a luxury car by far or a race car. Which makes it an econobox thats peppy. Oh btw, we're talking about a civic and a fit. Last time i checked there is no CTR in canada. Go on now little one, go rip on your civic around town like a race car.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: did u even spend the time watching the vid


obviously not

talking smack out of ur ass


never said FWD is superior, im well aware of the torque steer. BUt gotta give props to where it belongs. The CTR does faster time around the track than a AWD/RWD, while those cars are all low 13s, high 12s cars

[TypeRNammer]

@ XTC
LMAO, Type R is a stripped out econobox?

You are a tool like no other.

Let me correct you on that,

He was already a tool to begin with, since he tried to throw in modifications to make the cars more comparable.

Given that my car is for sale for $7,500.

Top it off with 20 grand in mods just to make sure it's in between the price range of the Honda Fit and Civic SI, it would just simply rape them easily.

But stock for stock, my car is a piece of shit against the 2:haha:

[XtC-604]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: did u even spend the time watching the vid


obviously not

talking smack out of ur ass


never said FWD is superior, im well aware of the torque steer. BUt gotta give props to where it belongs. The CTR does faster time around the track than a AWD/RWD, while those cars are all low 13s, high 12s cars

here you go
YouTube- FRONT vs REAR vs ALL WHEEL DRIVE
incase you didn't know front wheel drive was developed for ECONOMICAL reasons and for safety as it provides a bigger crumple zone.
BTW do you know how much a type R would cost in Canada if they brought one in? Just to give you an idea. The only other place in the world that you can currently get a CTR in is malaysia, going for 199,000RM which is equal to 61,000CDN Hondas are more expensive there. IE the EX Civic there is 35,000CDN, so for a fair deduction lets say deduct 15,000 from the price, so the EX civic would be 20,000 and the Type R would be 46,000 Lololol. 46000 for a civic. That still has no heated seats or nav or 6 air bags or anything luxurious. So how is that far from econobox? it's basically a extreme factory modded Civic. I'm sure you could do better if you bought an SI for 25000 and dumped 21000 into mods. BTW, in regards to your NSX, FD and w.e comments LOL. the FD is how many years old? the NSX is ? R34? those are all 10 years or older cars. i sure fucking hope cars have gotten better since then. Thats like saying if i bought a Cosworth Escort it could beat like ferraris from the 60s. Why dont you compare that Civic Type R with a Lotus Exige? both are similar cars. Light weight, stripped, only diff is drive train. Btw i did watch those videos, they all commented on how stiff the suspension is, hardly a street car if you ask me. Where as the VSPEC, RX7 and NSX are i would say more comfortable, if even a pro driver says it's stiff.

[Guinness]

... After reading all these, I just cant help but post something.

I used to own a Turbo 07 Fit (GD3) and I remember that before I add the turbo, i have to admit that the car is NOT giving me the power I desire... However, once you accept the fact that the fit an ECOBOX, you will learn to appreciate how the car is built. In my humble opinion, I think the fit is better than cars of the similar class because of its versatility (SP) - I'm thinking Yaris, Rio... etc.

I modded my Fit for a number of reasons:

Power - I know I can spend the money elsewhere for more powererful car but you don't get to drive a turbo fit everyday.

Unique - Like above, you don't see Turbo Fit's everywhere... not to mention that Honda do not offer Turbo as a "Sports Package" for the fit. Heck, we don't even have a sunroof option.

Hatchback - Now when was the last time Honda made the Hatchback? You have to give them credit for making the fit =)

Obviously, if the OP is looking for POWER, then forget about the Fit... but if he/she wants something ORIGINAL, a Fit is worth thinking... there's so much to play /spend on the fit that by the time you know it, you could of buy a GTI, a WRX, or maybe another fit easily (and thast even before you do an engine swap)

What do I think about the SI? Sorry but I never driven one. I ain't going to say Fit is better than Si or whatever car. I only had a Fit before, and I never regret modding it. If I go back in time, will I still spend the money to mod the fit - answer is YES. Its worth every penny. Not only that I had a unique car, but because of it, I was introduced to one of the friendliest club and get to know some really good people in GVRD.

I hope my comments here are informative enough to help the OP decide. But then again, only you know which car is best for you. You are the one who is going to drive that car everyday - so go for the test drive, visit the forums, and do your homework =)

As for the rest, why not just respect what other people enjoy doing and share your personal experience with the car (if you have one)? We all love the cars we own, if not, why would you buy it to begin with?


*Note* Stop bashing one another, Fit / Si are both Honda. Both have Vtecs (or i-Vtec)~!
=== In case you care, here are my answers for the 5 Questions ===

It blows my mind why someone would buy a fit, and then turbo it.
- Perhaps the same reason why you but a Si and then Turbo it?

1)It's strictly an economy car
- When does Car Mod must NOT be done on a ecobox?

2)Now that you turbo'ed it, the economy part is now out the window
- Yes and No, depends how you drive it. I had to give the car 92+, but it still does 450km/tank city driving running 6psi - quite a lot of psi for a small 1.5 litre engine

3)You are now making only 180* (* estimate depending on boost) which is still not enough to keep up with a NA Civic Si, and now your gas mileage is complete shit.
- Like I said, it depends how you drive the car. You can get SHIT milage driving on a Hybrid if you don't how to control your throttle. And again, not everyone who mods their car just want to go fast. If thats the case, then there will be no carshows~

4)It's a freakin fit.
- And your point is?

5)Engine is gonna blow up sooner than later.
- Again, it depends how you drive your car, who tunes it, and how well you maintain it. I don't think Stock Evos or GTi are designed to BLOWUP after a while...

[c4@urdoor]

Read what you typed again. Doesn't it awfully sound alot like ricer fags that say
OMGGGGGG TYPE RRRRRRRR
or if you're chinese TYPE AR LO
The type r does have it's merits, more output from the engine, reinforced chassis and weight reduction. hmmm doesn't that awfully sound alot more like a sports car. Regardless, its not a luxury car by far or a race car. Which makes it an econobox thats peppy. Oh btw, we're talking about a civic and a fit. Last time i checked there is no CTR in canada. Go on now little one, go rip on your civic around town like a race car.



Hey you little racist shit head, im not Chinese FYI, the only civic i've ever personally owned is 100% stock for DD.
I'm a big white boy and I doubt you would be using that tone if we had this discussion face to face.
I don't like riced out civics either, but you are getting way too out of hand with this anti-civic. anti FF shit. I appreciate the k20 engine, as well as type R development from Honda. So what? It's a fucking awesome engine. i-VTEC is a considerable engineering feat. Does that make me a ricer?
If I still had my small block datsun id come run you over in it.
List me some project cars you've had? You seem to talk shit like no other.
No RC toys don't count.

[Leopold Stotch]

In direct comparison with a Fit, yes it's a con. I was comparing the two, remember? :p

Anyway, thanks to those who've added some useful input.

Sorry to see that your thread has gone into an ego driven argument. Anyhow, as a hockey player myself, i can say that the civic SI should fit your needs

now i'm not sure how great the Fit is in terms of cargo space, but i was able to fit 2 hockey bags in my G35, and compared to my friends civic coupe, my trunk is non existent. i'm confident that you can fit at least two bags in the civic's trunk. could probably fit another bag and person in the back seats if you put the bag parallel to the length of the car. i mean, driving one friend is usually the most you wanna pack into a car comfort wise for a compact car like a civic.


I mention the above because i can honestly say, i can't see myself driving a Fit as opposed to a Civic SI.

[Guinness]

..Now i'm not sure how great the Fit is in terms of cargo space, but i was able to fit 2 hockey bags in my G35, and compared to my friends civic coupe, my trunk is non existent. i'm confident that you can fit at least two bags in the civic's trunk. could probably fit another bag and person in the back seats if you put the bag parallel to the length of the car. i mean, driving one friend is usually the most you wanna pack into a car comfort wise for a compact car like a civic..


Agree~ the civic CAN hold quite a bit of stuff, but you need to be good with organising. Every bit of space count~

To give you a better visual, the Civic Coupe has enough space to carry all the loot my girlfriend got over a 2-day Portland Outlet Shopping spree... and good enough milage for me to make one pit stop for the gas on the way back =\

But like I said, I don;t know about the Si, I had an Ex back then

[Energy]

@XTC
Try to tone it down a bit, the way you post gives me a headache and makes you sound like an immature kid.

RWD can be fun but even modern front wheel drive cars that were specially designed to handle well can keep up or even exceed rwd as seen in the BM CTR video. See, the reviewer even said that the CTR handles like a rwd and on the track can take on rwd rivals.

There is a difference between a front wheel drive that is set up to be safe and cost effective, and one that is optimized to give maximum handling and enjoyment (e.g. Type Rs)


To the OP, you said that the pros for the fit are:
reg gas, gas mileage, storage (hockey gear), less insurance

Instead of the Si coupe, get the Si sedan.
Gas mileage depends on you and how often you hit vtec. The sedan has more room for gear and people. It costs less to insure because its a 4dr and it will be slightly cheaper to purchase (I think its less $200 from the coupe). The si sedan has more than enough torque to get you wherever you want and it handles well enough too thanks to a suspension that is tuned more towards being sporty and it has an LSD.

Also, the Si drives so much better and being able to hit vtec and the 8000 rpm redline makes it way more fun than a stock fit.

[Toeknee]

I love how all the SI threads Ive seen on revscene have ended up being FC worthy. This car gets all the love.

I don't know if I want to call my car a sports car exactly haha. I don't think it's exactly an econobox either, since the engine loves to spin high and it's not exactly fuel efficient. At least it puts up a good fight with anything in the same price range and that's all it matters. Dude with a mommy-bought s2k and clk won't understand how these comparisons work.

And the reason why type R gets so much respect: despite its displacement and FWD setup and weight, Honda managed to optimize the car so much that it has consistently beat s2k stock-to-stock in all the BM videos I've seen. I don't know about the price though.

OP: any alternative options that you might be exploring? Do you want more fun or fuel economy? I can't get more than 500/tank on my SI driving mostly surrey/highway haha

[XtC-604]

Hey you little racist shit head, im not Chinese FYI, the only civic i've ever personally owned is 100% stock for DD.
I'm a big white boy and I doubt you would be using that tone if we had this discussion face to face.
I don't like riced out civics either, but you are getting way too out of hand with this anti-civic. anti FF shit. I appreciate the k20 engine, as well as type R development from Honda. So what? It's a fucking awesome engine. i-VTEC is a considerable engineering feat. Does that make me a ricer?
If I still had my small block datsun id come run you over in it.
List me some project cars you've had? You seem to talk shit like no other.
No RC toys don't count.
Racist shit head? i'm chinese. It was another joke if you didn't get it already. I'm not anti civic, just i am able to realize what the civic is and not praise it like fucking god. I'm not anti FF either, just pointing out what the limits of that platform is and thats under 250whp. ie i love mini coopers specially the Cooper S with JCW package.

I love how all the SI threads Ive seen on revscene have ended up being FC worthy. This car gets all the love.

I don't know if I want to call my car a sports car exactly haha. I don't think it's exactly an econobox either, since the engine loves to spin high and it's not exactly fuel efficient. At least it puts up a good fight with anything in the same price range and that's all it matters. Dude with a mommy-bought s2k and clk won't understand how these comparisons work.

And the reason why type R gets so much respect: despite its displacement and FWD setup and weight, Honda managed to optimize the car so much that it has consistently beat s2k stock-to-stock in all the BM videos I've seen. I don't know about the price though.

OP: any alternative options that you might be exploring? Do you want more fun or fuel economy? I can't get more than 500/tank on my SI driving mostly surrey/highway haha
BTW in their own respective markets. The Si is probably competing against the MS3, SRT4, Colbalt Turbo, which i prefer all over to the Si except that colbalt. And those cars offer better value, more standard features.
Lmao if your argument is that my "mommy" bought me my S2K and Clk thats pretty weak. Cause quite obviously i'm suggesting the OP to get the Fit. If anything the S2000 has an even more econobox interior than both those cars. The price i've posted is accurate. Check the malaysian website for honda or honda.co.jp if you wish. Relatively sure that if they brought it here, it'd be for 49g, brembo brakes bbs wheels and what not. Ya it beats the s2k stock to stock, but what honda has done to it, isn't exactly what i'd call normal either.
PS i bought the s2k myself, just love it when people automatically assume mommy bought it when its nicer than what someone else has.

[XtC-604]

Hey you little racist shit head, im not Chinese FYI, the only civic i've ever personally owned is 100% stock for DD.
I'm a big white boy and I doubt you would be using that tone if we had this discussion face to face.
I don't like riced out civics either, but you are getting way too out of hand with this anti-civic. anti FF shit. I appreciate the k20 engine, as well as type R development from Honda. So what? It's a fucking awesome engine. i-VTEC is a considerable engineering feat. Does that make me a ricer?
If I still had my small block datsun id come run you over in it.
List me some project cars you've had? You seem to talk shit like no other.
No RC toys don't count.
Talk shit? i'm stating facts here. I guess you just can't handle a heated debate can you. Run along now, go rip around in your Civic like a race car mmk?

[Toeknee]

Racist shit head? i'm chinese. It was another joke if you didn't get it already. I'm not anti civic, just i am able to realize what the civic is and not praise it like fucking god. I'm not anti FF either, just pointing out what the limits of that platform is and thats under 250whp. ie i love mini coopers specially the Cooper S with JCW package.


BTW in their own respective markets. The Si is probably competing against the MS3, SRT4, Colbalt Turbo, which i prefer all over to the Si except that colbalt. And those cars offer better value, more standard features.
Lmao if your argument is that my "mommy" bought me my S2K and Clk thats pretty weak. Cause quite obviously i'm suggesting the OP to get the Fit. If anything the S2000 has an even more econobox interior than both those cars. The price i've posted is accurate. Check the malaysian website for honda or honda.co.jp if you wish. Relatively sure that if they brought it here, it'd be for 49g, brembo brakes bbs wheels and what not. Ya it beats the s2k stock to stock, but what honda has done to it, isn't exactly what i'd call normal either.
PS i bought the s2k myself, just love it when people automatically assume mommy bought it when its nicer than what someone else has.
Ok I have nothing against you anymore then because I don't priase civic like god:). I don't think anyone does actually. I think you just came out strongly as a civic hater, which I believe you when you say you're not. When people in this thread mentioned that it's a sporty car, it's all relative to a fit, which is a reasonable statement.

For the price, I meant I'm not sure about how to justify it. I think Honda fandom is half the factor in making people fork over so much money. Personally I'd get STi for that money.

[Energy]

BTW in their own respective markets. The Si is probably competing against the MS3, SRT4, Colbalt Turbo, which i prefer all over to the Si except that colbalt. And those cars offer better value, more standard features.
Lmao if your argument is that my "mommy" bought me my S2K and Clk thats pretty weak. Cause quite obviously i'm suggesting the OP to get the Fit. If anything the S2000 has an even more econobox interior than both those cars. The price i've posted is accurate. Check the malaysian website for honda or honda.co.jp if you wish. Relatively sure that if they brought it here, it'd be for 49g, brembo brakes bbs wheels and what not. Ya it beats the s2k stock to stock, but what honda has done to it, isn't exactly what i'd call normal either.
PS i bought the s2k myself, just love it when people automatically assume mommy bought it when its nicer than what someone else has.

If you're comparing the Si to those cars, all you must care about it straight line speed. That is not the end all be all for a car.

Take into account how fun it is to drive. The Si is not the fastest car but it really is fun to drive and that fun factor alone is enough to convince many people to choose it over those cars. You should understand the benefits of a high revving engine on a small light platform that handles well as an owner of an s2k.

Oh and the interior of the s2k is not econobox like. I like to think of it as purposeful :)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Exige must be a ecnobox too, the interior looks like shit

[daproblem]

lets just say anything you can do to gain more power in a fit can be done to an si

FIT+TURBO=FAST
SI+TURBO=FASTER

[exhil]

I actually had the same thought between si and fit....in the end..Im picking up my 2010 white sedan si this weekend. It's more practical for me and of course fun to drive. "vtec just kick in yo!"
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[XtC-604]

Ok I have nothing against you anymore then because I don't priase civic like god:). I don't think anyone does actually. I think you just came out strongly as a civic hater, which I believe you when you say you're not. When people in this thread mentioned that it's a sporty car, it's all relative to a fit, which is a reasonable statement.

For the price, I meant I'm not sure about how to justify it. I think Honda fandom is half the factor in making people fork over so much money. Personally I'd get STi for that money.
I'm not hating the civic, i just believe its not worth the money they are selling it for. Like i said earlier, relative to the fit i would still say the SI is only peppier than the fit. 400lb diff covered only by 66nm TQ. so in an every day commute the Fit is funner to drive. More accessible low range TQ that you don't have to beat the living shit out of to get to. Trust me on this one. The S2000 i have, you really have to beat the shit out of it.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

FIt is like $21-22g before taxes

SI is like $27-28g before taxes


how is that a rip off

s2k new was selling $47g

Exige is like $60-70g for a 2zz GTS engine
all 4 n.a cylinder needs to be revved in order to make power, simple as that

mazda speed 3 must be a rip off too right? becuz it costs nearly $10g more than a regular mazda 3

the 2.0 should be FUN to drive around the city, and more than enough power to purchase ur daily grocery.


the M3 is nothing more than just a beefed up 323 that charges people 3 times more, according to your theory

[XtC-604]

FIt is like $21-22g before taxes

SI is like $27-28g before taxes


how is that a rip off

s2k new was selling $47g

Exige is like $60-70g for a 2zz GTS engine
all 4 n.a cylinder needs to be revved in order to make power, simple as that

mazda speed 3 must be a rip off too right? becuz it costs nearly $10g more than a regular mazda 3

the 2.0 should be FUN to drive around the city, and more than enough power to purchase ur daily grocery.


the M3 is nothing more than just a beefed up 323 that charges people 3 times more, according to your theory
I said compared to it's competitors. Say for example the MS3, projectors, 263 hp(lets not even go to TQs)
MAZDASPEED half-leather, sport type bucket seats
Intelligent key system (keyless entry and push button start)
Colour Multi-Information Display System (MID) with compact navigation screen
Bluetooth® Hands-free phone system with AudioProfile®
60/40 split fold-down rear seatback
AM/FM 6-Disc CD player with MP3 capability , Bose 10-speaker audio system
SIRIUS Satellite Radio
Steering wheel-mounted audio controls
Alloy foot pedals and driver's alloy foot rest, perforated design
Black leather-wrapped with red stitching shift knob and 3-spoke steering wheel
8-way power adjustable driver's seat with memory function
Theres quite a few interior differences, not to mention the ext and performance including DIRECT INJECTION engine. IIRC alot of the above are options for the SI and some aren't even available.

We're talking about DDs here. I'd think very few DD an exige.
Its also well known that S2ks had a huge markup in canada. compared to say the states 33k USD

Face it, Hondas are quite overpriced now, trending very much like toyota making appliances. Whatever happened to all the real sports cars NSX and the S2000. Honda expects their followers to just simmer down to a Civic Si or a TL-SHAWD for fun cars.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

true, but you gotta admite hondas in general are a lot more reliable compare to others brands. Subie, mitsu, nissan, mazda, hell even toyota. You can rev all day and its still reliable, as long as you do your regular maintenance and no mis shifts.

K20 has proven itself, better than the old b series. its reliable, and responde well to bolt ons with Kpro tune.



indeed the s2k sold in canada is way overprice, US MSRP was around $37-40g i believe

[XtC-604]

true, but you gotta admite hondas in general are a lot more reliable compare to others brands. Subie, mitsu, nissan, mazda, hell even toyota. You can rev all day and its still reliable, as long as you do your regular maintenance and no mis shifts.

K20 has proven itself, better than the old b series. its reliable, and responde well to bolt ons with Kpro tune.



indeed the s2k sold in canada is way overprice, US MSRP was around $37-40g i believe

Reliability i find is always a fun topic lol. People say german cars are unreliable, specially the electronics. My CLK has had no problems with it's electricals, only a shattered diff but that was under warranty. People say japanese cars are reliable but thats not entirely the case. I have a friend with an MDX shawd, who has had numerous problems with that AWD system. There are going to be lemons in every brand. So i hardly ever pay attention to these brand reputations. I look at the recall/TSB list instead.

The s2k had a price of 33.5k USD, i was debating whether i wanted a brand new AP2 or an AP1

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

older TL/MDX with their stupid auto tranny had numerous problems, new ones are a lot better.


germans are good to look at, well engineered. But too many friends and relatives had problems with theirs. 01 A4, 05 A4, 01 S4, A6, first gen ML,other benz, first gen X5 4.4 and others with numerous problems. Repair bills are sick to look at

Co workers 08 GTi the fuel pump went before it even hit 40,000km, luckily it was covered under warranty

[XtC-604]

older TL/MDX with their stupid auto tranny had numerous problems, new ones are a lot better.


germans are good to look at, well engineered. But too many friends and relatives had problems with theirs. 01 A4, 05 A4, 01 S4, A6, first gen ML,other benz, first gen X5 4.4 and others with numerous problems. Repair bills are sick to look at

Co workers 08 GTi the fuel pump went before it even hit 40,000km, luckily it was covered under warranty
it was an 09 mdx. but like i said its much better to look at tsb / recall lists

[AzNightmare]

We really need to define what classifies as a sports car.
Is it styling? Is it power? Is it drivetrain? Is it performance (lap time) on a track?

What makes a LanEvo or STI a sports car?
If a MS3 was AWD instead, would it be in the same category as a STI??

In the end, I don't think the OP really gives a crap anyway.
But I believe if the OP was driving a IS250, and he intends to mod anyway...
Civic SI should be the obvious choice. Modding a Fit is pretty lame.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

indeed

[Mancini]

true, but you gotta admite hondas in general are a lot more reliable compare to others brands. Subie, mitsu, nissan, mazda, hell even toyota. You can rev all day and its still reliable, as long as you do your regular maintenance and no mis shifts.


Speaking about engine reliability:

You're saying a Honda inline 4 is more reliable than a Subaru Boxer?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Last time I check not one single problem with k20 nor b18c5
Boxer engine? Hmm
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[punkwax]

In the end, I don't think the OP really gives a crap anyway.
But I believe if the OP was driving a IS250, and he intends to mod anyway...
Civic SI should be the obvious choice. Modding a Fit is pretty lame.

I would mod the Fit more than I would an SI. Don't think it's lame at all, I've seen some pretty sick Fits.

[tofu1413]

Speaking about engine reliability:

You're saying a Honda inline 4 is more reliable than a Subaru Boxer?

that is questionable.


older boxers no. the new boxers yes. new boxers blow up quite a bit, especially head gaskets. at least thats what i heard.



honda 4cyls are almost bullet proof.... with the exception of those that do end up burning oil usually the high performance vtec motors (h series vtecs, B series vtec heads)

[XtC-604]

that is questionable.


older boxers no. the new boxers yes. new boxers blow up quite a bit, especially head gaskets. at least thats what i heard.



honda 4cyls are almost bullet proof.... with the exception of those that do end up burning oil usually the high performance vtec motors (h series vtecs, B series vtec heads)

new boxers are reliable as long as we the end users don't fuck with them

[Anjew]

new boxers are reliable as long as we the end users don't fuck with them


fuck with them how? like rev high? i've been looking at upgrading an STI for a year now and the only thing holding me back is the shit i hear about it on the sti forums...

[Jackygor]

fuck with them how? like rev high? i've been looking at upgrading an STI for a year now and the only thing holding me back is the shit i hear about it on the sti forums...

Fuck with them as in cranking put on parts without getting a proper tune, thus making the engine run too lean as well as increasing knock counts. I wouldn't worry about it too much, normal maintenance and not being a dumbfuck can make any engine reliable. If anything, I gota say the new 4b11T is pretty darn reliable, I changed the MAF sensor housing, and in effect, fucked up my AFR as well as my boost level, so I was logging my car in four gear and I found out I was overboosting at 30 psi and had consistent over 30-40 counts of knocks over 4000-7000 RPM :eek:. In other words, I almost blew my engine, thank god it didn't.

[Mancini]

that is questionable.
older boxers no. the new boxers yes. new boxers blow up quite a bit, especially head gaskets. at least thats what i heard.


Modified boosted boxers, sure. Does not apply to NA (since we're comparing to a Honda). Which takes us back to your point about old boxers.

[TheSalesman]

IMO you should just drive both and see which one you like more. In the end, it is your decision.

[!Yaminashi]

IMO you should just drive both and see which one you like more. In the end, it is your decision.

i agree, dont buy a car because others dont consider it "sporty" enough

[sobranie33]

I got a SIR. so SI hands on

[umpadupa]

civic si hands down, get a 4door or something if u want a bit more room.
u will ALWAYS regret getting the fit later on when u just want that LIL bit of power and knew u could of had a choice of the SI, thats just human nature.

as 4 xtc's comment about boosting the fit.. if u REALLY wanna throw 30psi into a lil engine... go 4 it..but in the end ur gonna wish u had the 4g's 2 blow on something else and a sunroof in ur car :thumbsup: