[twitchyzero]

i just got into my first accident, unfortunately it was with a bus. It was pulling out and i was turning right into an alley. the impact was less than 10km/h. The quarter panel of the car is dented real bad but the door, wheel and everything else seems to be okay. the bus was basically untouched (only my paint scrapes on his left side of front left bumper). exchanged info, transit supervisor came on site and both parties got witnesses.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8157/ohnoesj.png

Would the fault be 75/25%?
i wondering if anyone has ever dealt with translink through icbc. I'm really concerned because the car is my parent's (rarely drive it) and i'm wondering if they'll just stereotype me (young guy,class 5 for 1.5 year).

Update: so after 4 weeks they finally determined liability.
bus driver was 100% at fault. thank goodness for the two witnesses or it would've likely been a 50/50.
damage was only $2000..a lot less than i expected.

[bcedhk]

i think it will be 100% your fault. and your parents will proibably pay a premium too

[kayceeee]

Were u turning right from the left lane??

Transit might pull some shit out saying u gotta yield to busses or whatever
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[Volvoman]

yeah a bus always has the right of way..so pwnd. but then again, asshole bus drivers never look, just signal and go.

The same thing almost happend to me. Bus stopped near the intersection I wanted to turn right at. However, he pulled to the side, i passed him, signaled right, he didn't signal left, pulled out anyways, i had to swerve left to avoid hitting him. laid on the horn and ended up going straigt. Before all this, I shoulder checked left to make sure i could swerve left in case the bus did such a thing. This is the sort of thing you end up doing with more experience as a driver

[murd0c]

100% your fault since the bus always has the right away
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[Jackwimmer]

man ive seen bus drivers who dont care and just start turning left even when theres cars BESIDE THEM *shakes head*

[twitchyzero]

i was turning from the right lane and the bus was in the curb/parking lane. the thing about the right of way was that my car was already at the front of the bus (right UNDERNEATH his mirrors) so i have the impression he didn't even see me until i was few inches away

[godwin]

What do you think they will do to you even if they stereotype you?

ICBC will represent you. Unless your name is not the principle driver etc since you said:

I'm really concerned because the car is my parent's (rarely drive it)

You will be fine..

Oh you are at fault.

[godwin]

If you are adamant about that, make sure you highlight that point. The way you are telling the story makes it appears you are at fault. It depends on the witness statements.

i was turning from the right lane and the bus was in the curb/parking lane. the thing about the right of way was that my car was already at the front of the bus (right UNDERNEATH his mirrors) so i have the impression he didn't even see me until i was few inches away

[Klobbersaurus]

i will say its not your fault, bus driver didnt look before merging into traffic unless he had his signal on while you were behind him and you just decided to ignore it

[twitchyzero]

i'm shitting my pants right now..first accident is so nerveracking even though no one was hurt.

[ajax]

Lol calm down dude! no one was hurt there was minor damage and you may have a chance at not being at fault. stressing about it will only make it worse.
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[TheKingdom2000]

I think you might have a case if you say the bus driver didn't signal.

They only have the right of way when they signal.
How are you supposed to yield to a bus if you don't know what it's doing?

So if you can say the bus didn't signal, as it's supposed to always do when in a static position then you might have a case.

Chances are you parents are road stars... so if they're at the highest tier.. you get one freebie before you get dropped to the lower tier.

Here is the tiering table...
43% is the highest discount

http://www.icbc.com/autoplan-insurance/understand-costs/crs.pdf#Variables._frag_

[Jsunu]

I think you might have a case if you say the bus driver didn't signal.

They only have the right of way when they signal.
How are you supposed to yield to a bus if you don't know what it's doing?

So if you can say the bus didn't signal, as it's supposed to always do when in a static position then you might have a case.

Chances are you parents are road stars... so if they're at the highest tier.. you get one freebie before you get dropped to the lower tier.

Here is the tiering table...
43% is the highest discount

http://www.icbc.com/autoplan-insurance/understand-costs/crs.pdf#Variables._frag_

My guess is the bus DID signal but twitchy was past that point to see the bus turn signal. My assumption is that the bus driver didn't check before making the left turn.

[bengy]

Is that a one lane or two lane road?

[PiuYi]

depends if the bus signaled and if you had time to yield for him
if he started moving before he signaled then its his fault for not looking when merging
if he signaled and you still cut infront of him then its your fault for not yielding
bus might be given benefit of the doubt though

[optiblue]

Actually, it's pretty hard to prove that he didn't signal unless you have a witness that said he didn't signal. That said, the bus has a yield sign on it... it's like hitting the law! The curb/parking lane is actually the "right turning lane" when there's no cars there. Since the bus was probably very close to the intersection/alley, it's a tough call who's at fault, but my guess is to prepare for the worst! At least you didn't hit or kill anyone... most that will happen is your license gets dinged a few % discount back and your parents will lose some discount as well if they're not roadstar. All will be forgiven in a few years whereas hitting a pedestrian or a cyclist would screw you over!

[hchang]

Was this in Richmond yesterday at No 5 and Blundell around 11 ish?

[nipples]

LoL it comes down to a guy who drives for a living, long history, and a guy who has his new license...I'm gonna assume he's asian too...parents have multiple cars under one name, none of which are the OP's. Icbc will rape u.
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[DuhDang]

Some bus drivers are major assholes.
One time me and a friend were in a e92 m3 and a bus driver turns out with no signal.
Luckily the m3 had killer brakes, it felt like my face was getting pulled off...

[shenmecar]

Some bus drivers are major assholes.
One time me and a friend were in a e92 m3 and a bus driver turns out with no signal.
Luckily the m3 had killer brakes, it felt like my face was getting pulled off...

Totally, in any other car you would've crashed and be sent to a place with many M3's.

[wonton1017]

If the turn was as tight as you've drawn it to be, you must be driving pretty slow to make that turn... so the bus driver would've seen you if he was half awake.

Just my point of view.

[MaximalLazy]

I'd say you're not at fault because you were turning from the RIGHT LANE, the asshole driver just didnt bother checking.

[fishing666]

no, it's his fault. Notice that this is an alley way and not a street

If you ever see bus stops they are always after a stop light to prevent problems like this one. You cannot turn right from a middle lane unless it's one of those guided arrow lanes.

just pray for a miracle that the witnesses are on your side. It would be a small loss for Translink compared to what you would lose.

[anti_rice]

by your description and drawing that you posted. I'm going to say it is your fault. It appears you are trying to make a right turn in the 2nd lane. I doubt the bus was changing lanes. It's probably leaving the bus stop and going straight down the curb lane.
Signalling or not it doesn't matter and will not win a case because of it regardless of what happened in this situation. The bus driver can say the same thing. He/She can say you didn't signal to turn right. As for dealing with translink, you deal everything through ICBC and ICBC will deal with translink because buses are insured through a private company.

[SkinnyPupp]

Show us the exact corner in Google Maps, that will help determine how much was your fault.

[slammer111]

Welcome to the "been in an accident" club" :D

No point stressing over something that's happened. Roll with the punches. It's not the end of the world. Most importantly, nobody got hurt. And I'm sure your parents will be forgiving since you weren't doing something stupid like trying to drag race the bus. :)

[CP.AR]

idiot translink decides to put bus stops at intersections where drivers are already occupied with the following: pedestrians, oncoming traffic, bikes.

idiot translink also likes to give bus drivers all the power they desire, which somehow makes bus drivers always 100% right, even though I rarely see any of them shoulder check.

Sorry man but unless the bus was running a definate red you will be 100% liable. So many times have I had close calls with busses whenever I am beside them, even if I am right beside the driver's window they just turn into me, so most of the time I say fuck it and either speed up or stay behind it.

[FI-Z33]

some friend of mine works for an insurance company and once told me that buses do have the right of way..HOWEVER, if you were already at the front half of the bus or sth and they merge out and hit you, its their fault

JUST what i remember..better if you ask icbc ^^

[Gunsmokez]

Actually, I don't think it is your fault. He hit your quarter panel and rear- door. So, saying that it shows you were clearly IN FRONT already.

That bus has the right of way etc only applies if you are not in front of him. This sounds similar to a incident of a friend of mine who got hit while making a left. The other car hit her back end. It Ended up being the other persons fault as it was the back side. Clearly showing she was already in the intersection.

So, this might go for you as well.

Anyway good luck

[rsx]

Tough. It seems like this will be your fault.

You're making a really awkward lane merge and turn in, basically, the intersection. You should've waited behind the bus.

[Not really racist!]

Like somebody stated before, post a googlemap link of the ally intersection

[jtanner_]

^ In for pics...

I definitely think you can go off something here as people have said that the damage is to the rear end of your car... which obviously would mean you're well in front of the bus... making the bus driver potentially liable for this...

[twitchyzero]

a guy who has his new license...I'm gonna assume he's asian too...parents have multiple cars under one name, none of which are the OP's.
Sorry that is a piss poor assumption.

It happened at 41st and vic
The alley and intersection is really awkard since the road is curvey, it was a 2 lane road excluding parking/curb lane, and yes the bus was about to pull into the right lane.

it is a tough call since my car was already turning right as the bus was pulling out (was already past the bus signal lights).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=E+41st+Ave+%26+Victoria+Dr,+Vancouver,+Greater+V ancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+Cana da&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.51141,114.169922&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FTQ77wIdTCuq-A&split=0&hq=&hnear=E+41st+Ave+%26+Victoria+Dr,+Vancouver,+Great er+Vancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+ Canada&ll=49.232685,-123.06619&spn=0.001289,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=49.232685,-123.06619&panoid=gqD8Q9CO1rrMULcu0Srpdg&cbp=12,326.33,,0,15.46
as you can see, there is about 2m distance from the alleyway to the bus stop and at the time there was already a car waiting in the alleyway intersection.

what a fucking irony, i took the 41st bus home from work tonight.

[cococly]

i was turning from the right lane and the bus was in the curb/parking lane. the thing about the right of way was that my car was already at the front of the bus (right UNDERNEATH his mirrors) so i have the impression he didn't even see me until i was few inches away

If you can prove that you have already passed by the point that even when you stopped and yielded to the bus, the bus couldn't safely pull out.

Only when you could prove that point, you might get a 50/50..... :(

[Benz_05TSX]

^ Ya, but doesn't matter, you should ALWAYS SHOULDER CHECK, yes I just got my class 5 today so I know. Why is it important?? Because if you shoulder check, you would see the bus signaling to go out. If you see that, you should've just stay at where you are, yield for the bus to come out first then turn. In normal cases, you *might* argue 50-50 but because you still turn from the outside into the vehicle, it is half your fault. With Translink, all I can say is, Good Luck fighting!

[hchang]

^ 50/50 is the same thing as saying he's 100% at fault though. Both parties insurance goes up.

[jtanner_]

^ Ya, but doesn't matter, you should ALWAYS SHOULDER CHECK, yes I just got my class 5 today so I know. Why is it important?? Because if you shoulder check, you would see the bus signaling to go out. If you see that, you should've just stay at where you are, yield for the bus to come out first then turn. In normal cases, you *might* argue 50-50 but because you still turn from the outside into the vehicle, it is half your fault. With Translink, all I can say is, Good Luck fighting!

But is he point more or less that as he was approaching the alley the bus had yet to signal he was pulling out? I agree with you in terms of the well its translink goodluck buddy, but at the same time... when you see buses stopped to pickup/dropoff passengers everyone around the bus doesn't suddenly stop until it starts moving again and pulls back onto the road... I think the bus driver probably didn't notice you were beside him until it was too late..

[Mr.Jay]

shit

that alley way is a death trap so amny accident there.

this is a toss up if you really wanna know who is in the wrong however the fact that its was an accidnet with a bus makes it very hard to prove you were at fault.

where you gonig to Kent's Kitchen? I love their tofu there soo good. Sorry when I saw the map it was the 1st thing that came to mind

[cococly]

Sorry that is a piss poor assumption.

It happened at 41st and vic
The alley and intersection is really awkard since the road is curvey, it was a 2 lane road excluding parking/curb lane, and yes the bus was about to pull into the right lane.

it is a tough call since my car was already turning right as the bus was pulling out (was already past the bus signal lights).



I completely understand how you feel :cry:

I also had a near-miss a while back. I was pulling out from the alley, while a Dodge minivan was turning in from 41st. That place is just too narrow..

That alleyway needs improvements.

It is especially hard to turn into the plaza when there is a bus at that bus stop and you just turned left onto 41st from Vic Drive.

[Eff-1]

It's not your fault.

Well, actually, it depends who you ask.

In the eyes of the law, one could argue it's legally your fault since you failed to yield to a bus pulling out. But you could argue by saying the bus pulled out when it wasn't clear. It's not an open and shut case. This would be for a judge to decide.

BUT in the eyes of ICBC it's not your fault. The collision occurred because the bus driver pulled out into traffic when it wasn't safe to do so. This isn't that complicated.

I'm not sure, but I would bet that Translink doesn't insure their vehicles with ICBC. So that means it will take a while for your claim to be settled, while ICBC negotiates fault with Translink civil lawyers. ICBC may try and avoid doing this because the dollars aren't significant and there was no damage to the bus. You might have to fight them for this otherwise you'll get stuck with the bill for the damage to your car.

Good luck.

[nipples]

Sorry bout the assumption. I just figured from the genral demo of rs members.
But with your case, if the bus was going straight...and you left your lane....accidents are usually your fault.
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[bengy]

i was turning from the right lane and the bus was in the curb/parking lane. the thing about the right of way was that my car was already at the front of the bus (right UNDERNEATH his mirrors) so i have the impression he didn't even see me until i was few inches away

I don't think there is a "curb lane", just left and right. You and the bus were both in the right lane. Should have moved quicker if you wanted to pass the bus and cut in front of him to make your turn.

I think this will be your fault, but let us know how it goes.

[CRS]

When I first read the thread and saw your diagram, I thought you would be 100% at fault.

But after you clarified, you might actually be able to better your odds. Though it will not likely be 100% his fault but you can at the very least get some percentage of it back. You'll need to prove that you were already in position (so like witnesses) and how the bus failed to safely go into an open lane. You basically need to prove that you were occupying that lane and was already about to make a turn so it was basically him hitting you without checking.

It is going to be a tough situation. You should call your witnesses to ask them what they saw so that you can get a better picture of what happened.

If you were already occupying the lane, I think your odds are pretty good. But if you were cutting it, you're going to be hooped.

[twitchyzero]

Should have moved quicker if you wanted to pass the bus and cut in front of him to make your turn.


in normal circumstances this makes sense but this alley way is like >90 degrees since the road is curved. I could honestly say i was probably 5-8km/h when the impact occured.

could mods move this back into VOT for the next day or 2..i'm trying to get as much traffic on opinions

[SkinnyPupp]

Sorry that is a piss poor assumption.

It happened at 41st and vic
The alley and intersection is really awkard since the road is curvey, it was a 2 lane road excluding parking/curb lane, and yes the bus was about to pull into the right lane.

it is a tough call since my car was already turning right as the bus was pulling out (was already past the bus signal lights).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=E+41st+Ave+%26+Victoria+Dr,+Vancouver,+Greater+V ancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+Cana da&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.51141,114.169922&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FTQ77wIdTCuq-A&split=0&hq=&hnear=E+41st+Ave+%26+Victoria+Dr,+Vancouver,+Great er+Vancouver+Regional+District,+British+Columbia,+ Canada&ll=49.232685,-123.06619&spn=0.001289,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=49.232685,-123.06619&panoid=gqD8Q9CO1rrMULcu0Srpdg&cbp=12,326.33,,0,15.46
as you can see, there is about 2m distance from the alleyway to the bus stop and at the time there was already a car waiting in the alleyway intersection.

what a fucking irony, i took the 41st bus home from work tonight.
So you were passing a bus that was stopped to pull into that alley way? That was a really poor driving decision. In fact it is extra dangerous, what if a kid got off the bus and started walking across the alley street? Or in front of the bus at all?

Chalk this one up to lesson learned. The expense of fixing your dad's car and maybe him kicking your ass is nothing compared to how bad this could have turned out.

[Eff-1]

could mods move this back into VOT for the next day or 2..i'm trying to get as much traffic on opinions

sorry.

you'll get lots of hits here too.

[jackmeister]

So you were passing a bus that was stopped to pull into that alley way? That was a really poor driving decision. In fact it is extra dangerous, what if a kid got off the bus and started walking across the alley street? Or in front of the bus at all?

Chalk this one up to lesson learned. The expense of fixing your dad's car and maybe him kicking your ass is nothing compared to how bad this could have turned out.

Ok I'm not sure if you live around there, I do, and I go through that alley weekly or twice weekly. My experience is that the front of the bus stops right at where the lightpole is, or VERY close to it. No one tries or dares to drive into that alley at anything over 5-10kmh because there are always big vans coming out of that alley or police cars parked in the alley. Besides, the only way you would be going at a faster speed turning into that alley would be coming from 41st westbound with little traffic, and you would most likely slow down anyways because that bus is there quite often and is usually an articulated bus that takes up half the block.

Anyway my point is:

a) if you drive like a normal person in that area, you would've probably stopped beside the bus, looked to see its clear, then turn in, or maybe you've turned a little so that your car is already in front of the bus, while the bus is not moving, and then the bus moves and hits your car. If thats the case, its probably not your fault.


b) If you stopped beside the bus and it started moving, you're already beside him so if he forced his way out, you would've lost your front passenger side of the car. He hit you, so its not your fault. but this didnt happen.

c) if the bus is already signalling and you're being a jackass by not letting him out, and he smokes you, it should still be bus's fault because, yes you didnt yield, but bus driver has responsiblity to turn out when its CLEAR TO DO SO.

d) if you see the bus moving forward and you tried to beat it by turning faster, you're just an idiot. but because its such a tight area i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didnt do this.

if you think you didnt do anything wrong, make sure you're damn confident about it and tell icbc what happened. it would also be nice to take some pictures in that area, especially when a bus is there.

[cctw]

Actually, I don't think it is your fault. He hit your quarter panel and rear- door. So, saying that it shows you were clearly IN FRONT already.

That bus has the right of way etc only applies if you are not in front of him. This sounds similar to a incident of a friend of mine who got hit while making a left. The other car hit her back end. It Ended up being the other persons fault as it was the back side. Clearly showing she was already in the intersection.

So, this might go for you as well.

Anyway good luck

picture kinda shows op is still trying to merge into the right lane..therefore op would be at fault cos that means he's not fully ahead. If he was fully ahead and into the right lane and the bus hits the OP's bumper then it would be bus' fault. Your theory would mean that if I got my car 3 quarters of the way ahead of you and merged into your lane and your car hit my rear door and quarter panel you'd be at fault which doesnt make sense.

Besides, bus could always argue he had already signalled out of the bus stop and was going straight, hence the reason why the signals were not on when the accident happened. How far the bus was away from the bus stop when he hit the OP's car could be a factor in determining who is at fault if the OP were to argue the signalling thing.

[twitchyzero]

c) if the bus is already signalling and you're being a jackass by not letting him out, and he smokes you, it should still be bus's fault because, yes you didnt yield, but bus driver has responsiblity to turn out when its CLEAR TO DO SO.


C is the closest description of the scenario in your list, but i never intentionally trying to cut the bus off from merging, as i was coasting up to the alleyway i didn't see any signalling or the bus moving.

Being my first accident i think i handled it okay, just shitty luck. However, the biggest mistake here is that I didn't take the picture of the actual impact positions, i moved the car outta the way first then shot the individual damage pictures. So next time instead of worrying about holding up the traffic up on 41st, i really should've just taken 20 seconds to put hazards on, step out and take a photo, especially if the other party is a subsidary of the government.

The only convincing proof i have is a picture of the bus slanted outwards.

edit: also wouldn't icbc look at the individual damage to assess/confirm stories? or is that only for severe cases?

[Rogue951]

idiot translink decides to put bus stops at intersections where drivers are already occupied with the following: pedestrians, oncoming traffic, bikes.

idiot translink also likes to give bus drivers all the power they desire, which somehow makes bus drivers always 100% right, even though I rarely see any of them shoulder check.



umm.. you realize in a bus shoulder checking is next to impossible right?
all there is is the mirror.
even turning to shoulder check u can only see so much aisde from leaning out the window.

[Roach]

So you were passing a bus that was stopped to pull into that alley way? That was a really poor driving decision. In fact it is extra dangerous, what if a kid got off the bus and started walking across the alley street? Or in front of the bus at all?

Chalk this one up to lesson learned. The expense of fixing your dad's car and maybe him kicking your ass is nothing compared to how bad this could have turned out.

You're assuming he's just blindly ripping into the alley. He went ahead of a stationary bus. That's all the facts you or I have. There was no kid. No pedestrian struck. Nothing. Save the assumptions and hypothetical scenarios.

And if the kid started walking across the bus and consequently into the street the kid would be dead and his parents could chalk this one up to lesson learned on teaching your kids the rules of the road. It would not be the OP's fault.

Twitchy, IMO, you are not at fault. The bus stopped in the curb lane. It is the bus driver's responsibility to ensure the slow lane is clear before entering. Although one is required to yield to a bus, I would think the onus is still on the bus driver to pull out when it is safe. Failure to yield has to be proven, and even if so, it is not free-will for the bus driver to play carmageddon. Furthermore, judging by the location of the damage on your vehicle, you were already past him at the point he pulled out. Use the facts you have in your favour and fight it. I think ICBC will try to assess partial fault to both of you as that makes the most financial sense for them, but there are several facts that are in your favour. All the best!

Kev

[freakshow]

If the bus start turning out after you were turning in front of him already, you wouldn't have been able to see him signal out, then he should have checked for it to be clear before pulling out.

If you were next to the bus, then the bus started signaling, then you passed him to turn anyways, it will be much harder to get ICBC completely on your side.

Your goal should be to convince them that the first scenario happened. Keep us updated!

[Roach]

Out of curiousity, did either witness allude to what they saw?

Kev

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

bus drivers are gay!
they just switch lane whenever they feel like without looking

[twitchyzero]

Out of curiousity, did either witness allude to what they saw?

Kev

to be honest my witness won't be too convincing since he was on the bus and didn't see the actual impact. He mentioned the bus was pulling out and slammed the brakes. I haven't spoken to the 2nd witness yet.

and just reiterating this question again, would icbc look into individual damage to assess/confirm the stories of both parties + witnesses? i think just the damage itself could be in my favour. I'm not sure if they do this for every case or only for serious crashes with injuries/major $$$ on the line. for now i'll be skeptical knowing they'll mostly likely side with translink..i wonder if the bus driver's at even partial fault would there possibly be supsension with pay on his part..?

[freakshow]

From my experience, ICBC will also look at the damage of the cars individually to assess fault.

[1exotic]

This whole situation could have been avoided.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8157/ohnoesj.png

[gearshifter]

I hate the alley way... But it seems like a lot of people like to use it.
Almost got into accident from asians pulling out to "peek" from the alley too much.

[Phil@rise]

stupid spot for a bus stop

[Roach]

I hate the alley way... But it seems like a lot of people like to use it.
Almost got into accident from asians pulling out to "peek" from the alley too much.

I believe that alley is access to the plaza containing London Drugs/McDonald's/VPD station.

If it's the same one I'm thinking of, it's very busy.

Kev

[moomooCow]

I avoid that alley way as much as I can because, chances are, there are cars there and I have to wait for them to clear out before I get to turn in... or I'd have to watch out for the idiot bus drivers there... I try to plan my route so I make a left turn on Victoria and 40th? 39th? instead!

But anyways, as it has been said already, I think the most important thing is to convince ICBC that you were in the midst of your turn already when the bus pulled out and hit you.

[Great68]

The yield to bus rule only applies if you are BEHIND the bus when it puts its signal on.

If anything, I think you could get nailed for unsafe lane change...

[!LittleDragon]

The yield to bus rule only applies if you are BEHIND the bus when it puts its signal on.

If anything, I think you could get nailed for unsafe lane change...

I always wondered if that was the case. The Yield sign s at the back of the bus. What if you're beside it where the sign isn't visible to you and the bus driver starts changing lanes right into you...

[synchrocone]

Chuckles.. I remember always wearing out my synchros on that "intersection".
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[noventa]

what kind of bus did you get involved with? Is it an electric trolley? A lot of the trolley's have additional equipment that will record stuff that may pertain to your accident. The bus records down when the brake is engaged, when the left /right signal is on, and the force of a collision.

[noventa]

also some electric trolleys are outfitted with cameras and one of them is a front facing one

[97ITR]

If it is deemed your fault you should look into paying the claim. I doubt the bus driver is going to make an injury claim for this and there isn't very much damage so there's no sense in you or your parents losing their discount.

[twitchyzero]

what kind of bus did you get involved with? Is it an electric trolley? A lot of the trolley's have additional equipment that will record stuff that may pertain to your accident. The bus records down when the brake is engaged, when the left /right signal is on, and the force of a collision.

no it's the newer hybrid buses with the large windows.

[AzNightmare]

It could totally be up to the witnesses that decide the fault on the case.

From what I observed, it seems like a bus has auto left turn signals or something.
Cause when the bus is crowded ,and I have to stand up by the front, I notice the bus driver doesn't have to do anything to signal when he's pulling out. Which leads to why some buses just signal left even when they aren't pulling out after leaving a bus stop (they are staying in their right lane)

Can anyone confirm this?? Is there some kind of foot pedal signal? Cause I can definitely see both his hands are on the wheel at all times, and the signal just comes on as soon as he starts gasing and turning the steering wheel left.

Btw, don't worry about the accident so much. No one died, it's not a big deal. Even if you're 100% at fault, you're not gonna get thrown in prison or anything.

[noventa]

^yeah on the bus we have here, the signals are operated by the left foot manually. I guess the bus he was involved with are of the NOVAs. They currently have no data recording system that will pertain to your accident unfortunately.

[typ.]

what a dick bus driver. i hate bus drivers.

[twitchyzero]

update: both of the witnesses are backing me up. The witness said the bus driver was running to mcdicks to grab coffee and was likely to be in a rush. The witness saw me already in the/near the front of the bus preparing to turn into the alley and the bus pulled out when it wasn't safe to do so. One of the witnesses also has a Class 1 and drives large trucks so hopefully that'll hold some value.

wish me luck

[sonick]

That is awesome news, good luck!

[Roach]

update: both of the witnesses are backing me up. The witness said the bus driver was running to mcdicks to grab coffee and was likely to be in a rush. The witness saw me already in the/near the front of the bus preparing to turn into the alley and the bus pulled out when it wasn't safe to do so. One of the witnesses also has a Class 1 and drives large trucks so hopefully that'll hold some value.

wish me luck

Awesome man. Let us know what ICBC decides.

Kev

[hchang]

update: both of the witnesses are backing me up. The witness said the bus driver was running to mcdicks to grab coffee and was likely to be in a rush. The witness saw me already in the/near the front of the bus preparing to turn into the alley and the bus pulled out when it wasn't safe to do so. One of the witnesses also has a Class 1 and drives large trucks so hopefully that'll hold some value.

wish me luck

I think you got a good chance here dude.

Good luck!
Keep RS posted!

[typ.]

ooo thats good news. keep us updated! :)

[twitchyzero]

will do, this could however drag out for weeks, even months.

unreliable and inefficient translink at its best!

[umpadupa]

do ur parents have the 10+re discount on the car? and make sure ur parents dont cancel their insurance for the next couple on years, till the claim has been done with, or else it will have a chance on jumping onto ur licence and effect ur discount

[twitchyzero]

update: so after 4 weeks they finally determined liability.
bus driver was 100% at fault. thank goodness for the two witnesses or it would've likely been a 50/50.
damage was only $2000..a lot less than i expected.

thanks for those that input your opinions. I put the update in initial post as well just in case something similar happen to another poor soul on RS

[TOPEC]

u were really lucky with those 2 witnesses.

[flagella]

congrats man!

[SkinnyPupp]

update: so after 4 weeks they finally determined liability.
bus driver was 100% at fault. thank goodness for the two witnesses or it would've likely been a 50/50.
damage was only $2000..a lot less than i expected.

thanks for those that input your opinions. I put the update in initial post as well just in case something similar happen to another poor soul on RS
I hope the positive outcome doesn't discourage you from learning your lesson about cutting busses off (even when stopped) and driving like that!

Congrats though

[twitchyzero]

^ i guess you missed my post..again
i never cut the guy off...he never had his signals on thus no way others drivers would know of his intents to turn. not to mention i was already at the front end of the bus when he decided to pull out...

[SkinnyPupp]

From what you described, he was pulled over at a bus stop that was in front of an alley, and you drove in front of him quickly into the alley. If he pulled out or not, it's a good thing some kid didn't get off the bus and run across the alley or something.

If that's not what happened, I guess I misunderstood your description and picture.

[twitchyzero]

likely previously mentioned, i was turning at around 5-8km/h

[SkinnyPupp]

OK :thumbsup:

[mb_]

Congrats man, those witnesses really saved your ass!