[AE98]

On March 10th a 50 years old Taiwanese visitor to Vancouver was violated by the CBSA at YVR and forced to sent back to Taiwan. This has caused a public outrage in Taiwan's media and the Foreign affair office of Taiwan has demanded the CBSA to explain its acts.


The Taiwanese woman, who planned to visit her relatives in Vancouver, arrived days ago at the Vancouver International Airport on a visitor Visa. While waiting for her luggage, she was taken to the interrogate room with no apparent reason, and have all her luggage opened. Her underwear were then violently thrown to the ground, and she was confronted by several Canadian staff custom with questions such as" if you are staying for only 10 days, why bringing in so many pieces of underwear?"(when in fact she did not bring so much) And asked why was her Visa expired, when in fact her visa was in effect. As she cannot speak English, she tried to explain that she was here only to visit her daughter’s relatives and asked if she could make a call to them, but that request was abruptly rejected, the CBSA then confiscated her cellphone and notebook, and then ordered her not to touch anything. She as then confined for more than five hours with no reasons and felt gravely humiliated. After that the custom staff threatened her to take the night flight back to Taiwan or will have her arrested and put to jail. Unable to defend for herself, she was forced to sign the form to agree to be deported, with tear running down her face.



Upon returning to Taiwan, the incident was reported to the Ministry of Foreign Affiars of the Republic of China(Taiwan) and caused an public outrage. The news was reported on the media and the Ministry has demanded the CBSA to explain for themselves. And has warned them this incident has given a bad name to Canada as a whole. Taiwan is a fully developed and prosperous country, there is no way that a woman from Taiwan will “jump plane” to Canada, and thus no reasonable ground to treat this woman with such behavior.



With the Polish immigrant case still fresh in our mind, it is unbelievable that our custom’s unacceptable practice still hasn’t changed. It is time that our government do something to improve our services at the boarder, before the CBSA embarrass us again.



The links from Taiwan’s news website:

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/100317/17/227i6.html

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/100317/17/2278q.html

http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/BREAKINGNEWS1/5480382.shtml

[raygunpk]

that's bad

real bad michael jackson

[noventa]

how does one throw underwear violently? It is so light I can imagine how this could happen. what an outrage!

[Unagi]

Unbelievable :mad:

[tool001]

so they mistook her visa for being expired? ummm i dont think CBSA are so dumbasses (even though they are dumb at times) to make that mistake...

[DuhDang]

there could be more to the story. dont judge on one POV

[hchang]

With the Polish immigrant case still fresh in our mind, it is unbelievable that our custom’s unacceptable practice still hasn’t changed. It is time that our government do something to improve our services at the boarder, before the CBSA embarrass us again.



For the record, the death of Mr. Dziekanski had nothing to do with the CBSA, it was the RCMP's actions that caused his death.


The CBSA has the right to search anybody whom they find suspicious. If I remember correctly, there has been two or three cases where Taiwanese women have flown in with an unreasonable amount of intimate underwear and bras for the time they are staying in Canada, makes it suspicious that they are here to jump plane and work as a hooker, or masseuse.

It states at the US/Canada Border that anybody whom is entering the US/Canada is subject to full searches performed by the CBSA and US Customs. Which is basically waiving your rights.

If the CBSA has doubt, they have the right to deport people. And even if they had given her her phone back, what could the people she have called possibly done? Nothing, anybody who tries to go past gate will be considered a threat and detained by the RCMP and CBSA.

The CBSA's job is to protect the country, and limit who gets in and out. Regardless of whether the country is developed or not, they can still bring trouble. If a known prostitute tries to come down to Canada from the States with all of her personal belongings, I'm sure the CBSA would deport her right back to the states. By letting them in would be wasting the country's money in seeking help for them, or sending them to correctional facilities. Although this lady might not have meant any harm, you can't blame the CBSA for doing their job and taking the safety precautions, cause someday down the road, when a lot of felons get in our country and jump plane, the media will turn their eyes on the CBSA and blame it all on them.

[sam0m0]

This story makes me mad

real mad joe jackson

[vapour_lock]

cool story bro

[you!]

pics of the undies or it didnt happen

[AE98]

For the record, the death of Mr. Dziekanski had nothing to do with the CBSA, it was the RCMP's actions that caused his death.


The CBSA has the right to search anybody whom they find suspicious. If I remember correctly, there has been two or three cases where Taiwanese women have flown in with an unreasonable amount of intimate underwear and bras for the time they are staying in Canada, makes it suspicious that they are here to jump plane and work as a hooker, or masseuse.

It states at the US/Canada Border that anybody whom is entering the US/Canada is subject to full searches performed by the CBSA and US Customs. Which is basically waiving your rights.

If the CBSA has doubt, they have the right to deport people. And even if they had given her her phone back, what could the people she have called possibly done? Nothing, anybody who tries to go past gate will be considered a threat and detained by the RCMP and CBSA.

The CBSA's job is to protect the country, and limit who gets in and out. Regardless of whether the country is developed or not, they can still bring trouble. If a known prostitute tries to come down to Canada from the States with all of her personal belongings, I'm sure the CBSA would deport her right back to the states. By letting them in would be wasting the country's money in seeking help for them, or sending them to correctional facilities. Although this lady might not have meant any harm, you can't blame the CBSA for doing their job and taking the safety precautions, cause someday down the road, when a lot of felons get in our country and jump plane, the media will turn their eyes on the CBSA and blame it all on them.


Well, the question is not whether the CBSA has the right to search, but the WAY they do their search. According to the news in Taiwan,

1) the VISA is clearly in effect, but the CBSA at YVR asked her why her visa has expired, which clearly is a tactic to threaten her, which I found very low.

2) If you had look at her on the news report in Taiwan, you will not suspect her of being a prositute. Better yet, shes over 50 years old.

3) Even if the luggages need to be opened and checked, they should be done in a respectful manner, nothing like throwing them to the ground and making her feel insulted.

4) The custom should not threaten to deport her what so ever without any concrete proof that she may post a threat.

5) Her request to call her relative was rejected for no reason..she felt the CBSA is just toying with her.

6) Lastly...how the hell can a 50 years old woman post a threat to canada's national security...is canada so weak? This is exactly like the polish guy's case, how the hell can a mid age man with a stapler post any threat to four buff and trained RCMP officers? the canadian practice is way overdue for revision.

[J____]

well if ppl from japan will claim refugee status in canada, so will ppl from taiwan. As much as i hate the actions of customs officers, it really depends on who you get and in the end they're doing their job if they feel the somethings wrong with the story. That being said i hope that Customs officer gets raped in the ass for being such a bitch.

[jaguar604]

With a single tear running down her face.

I laughed, I am mean.

[jackmeister]

that's pretty hurting

i mean if the taiwanese chick was hot and 19 there might be an issue about hookers and whatnot, but this lady is 50 years old, i dont think theres a market for her.

but in anyway, CBSA can be really anal, but to my experience only in BC, i've traveled internationally through other provinces and they're not like that at all, generally speaking they're much more friendly and not always suspecting everyone to be lying.

they give people a hard time when they bring too much, when they bring too little, staying too short, staying too long. most of my relatives/family friends vowed never to visit canada again.

while it's their job to be vigiliant about these things, sometimes they abuse their power a little too much.

[raygunpk]

This story makes me mad

real mad joe jackson

ROFL win

[StylinRed]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PN6RAmGXeCk/SMaMGmclHlI/AAAAAAAAACM/WgTzPARGQ-A/s400/english+class.jpg


heard about this... taiwanese news likes to blow everything up... their most serious news network makes puts the enquirer to shame

id like to see the appledaily for this though ;)

[tiger_handheld]

CBSA needs a database of employees + languages + On shift.

seems like a lot of shit happen cuz of mis communication.

business idea? simple access database that looks up the current employee schedule from access cards , and returns if the language input = 1

:|

[hchang]

Well, the question is not whether the CBSA has the right to search, but the WAY they do their search. According to the news in Taiwan,

1) the VISA is clearly in effect, but the CBSA at YVR asked her why her visa has expired, which clearly is a tactic to threaten her, which I found very low.

2) If you had look at her on the news report in Taiwan, you will not suspect her of being a prositute. Better yet, shes over 50 years old.

3) Even if the luggages need to be opened and checked, they should be done in a respectful manner, nothing like throwing them to the ground and making her feel insulted.

4) The custom should not threaten to deport her what so ever without any concrete proof that she may post a threat.

5) Her request to call her relative was rejected for no reason..she felt the CBSA is just toying with her.

6) Lastly...how the hell can a 50 years old woman post a threat to canada's national security...is canada so weak? This is exactly like the polish guy's case, how the hell can a mid age man with a stapler post any threat to four buff and trained RCMP officers? the canadian practice is way overdue for revision.

1) I don't see how it would threaten her. It could be an honest mistake, or they could just be being a dick. But it shouldn't be a threatening tactic. If I was a cop and I pulled you over and kept on asking you why is your Drivers License expired, it wouldn't be a threat in any way, more like me being blind and ignorant.

2) Watch an episode or two of Cops, theres so many prostitutes 50+

3) The CBSA is supposed to have the upper hand. I'm working to get into the CBSA, and a friend who is already working at the CBSA told me that even if they see somebody they know, they still have to look professional and put on that asshole face. They can't show any weaknesses, the last thing we'd want is thugs flying in thinking they can manipulate the CBSA and getting into the country.
My dad was searched once and they basically flipped through his shit and didn't bother helping him put it back. Didn't throw it on the ground or anything but just caused a hassle. I'm sure theres more to the story than what she reported. I know she must've said something or done something to a CBSA officer to provoke such an action is they're actually "throwing" underwear on the ground (which I don't see is such a big deal) In my experiences, as long as I was nice to any authourity figure, they are nice back.

4) Again, they're taking precautions cause things similar to this has already happened in the past. Woman from Taiwan, comes to Canada, jumps plane, and can't be found anymore. Happened twice.

5) Things are supposed to be kept in a professional matter, if your teacher doesn't allow you to call up your mommy or daddy during class what would you do? Nothing. You can't do anything cause It's the classroom rules.

6) No, Canada is not that weak. But do you really want to be living in a city infested with drug dealers, prostitutes, rapist, murderers and child molesters running around who all came from other countries? And you know that thanks to the CBSA who didn't deport them initially when they could've but now you can't really do anything about them because the Canadian Justice System only gives out slaps on the wrist?

[StylinRed]

i dont get it the lady doesnt speak english but she knew what the agents were asking her? and she knew she was being "threatened" with deportation?

was it her?


YouTube- Crazy Chinese Woman misses Flight, throws Hysterical Tantrum

[JesseBlue]

there are two sides to the story...the news only gave one side...

[hchang]

i dont get it the lady doesnt speak english but she knew what the agents were asking her? and she knew she was being "threatened" with deportation?

was it her?




No that lady missed her flight.

And if she was being hysterical the RCMP would've been called in again to tazer somebody :haha::haha::haha:

I saw that video a while ago... laughed so hard watching it LOL. :haha:

[nack]

i dont get it the lady doesnt speak english but she knew what the agents were asking her? and she knew she was being "threatened" with deportation?

was it her?


YouTube- Crazy Chinese Woman misses Flight, throws Hysterical Tantrum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3E-PAPiuyE)

TAAAAKKKEE IT

[dizzystar]

ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

[belka]

While in this case the CBSA might have been too extreme, I still think that Canada needs to take a stronger stance on who gets in the country. We are still pacifists and are afraid to make anyone upset. It's time for Canadians to stop being pussies when it comes immigration and religion.

[StylinRed]

chimes the troll

[TheKingdom2000]

how does one throw underwear violently? It is so light I can imagine how this could happen. what an outrage!

lmao.

[TRD3000GT]

YouTube- NMA 2010.03.17 å‹•æ–°è�ž 婦控åŠ$國海關åˆ�難 「為何帶å��幾件內衣ã€�

[danned]

stupid customs
people can bring whatever they want

[hchang]

stupid customs
people can bring whatever they want

Last time I checked, Drugs, Weapons, Dead Bodies and Bombs weren't allowed.

Please Correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:

[SkunkWorks]

YouTube- English Motherfucker

[danned]

Last time I checked, Drugs, Weapons, Dead Bodies and Bombs weren't allowed.

Please Correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:

you know.
those illegal stuff are not allowed
what about those legal stuff? clothes, foods,
or things you need to use daily?

[hchang]

Yeah by all means that was allowed.

But it just aroused the CBSAs suspicions that this lady has brought in a significant amount of underwear for a 10 day stay. And they have the right to refuse entry to people, especially if they thought at the time that her VISA was expired.

And also, food with meat or fruits in it is not allowed in either, just an fyi :)

[hotjoint]

:lol at some of the responses in here, typical rs :haha:
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[4PPLE]

LESS QQ MORE PEW PEW

that article was pretty hard to read. too much engrish

[InvisibleSoul]

I swear I read something like this on here a year or two ago...

[Greenstoner]

God damn it, the kayne's lyrics made me laugh so hard
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[Manic!]

you know.
those illegal stuff are not allowed
what about those legal stuff? clothes, foods,
or things you need to use daily?

There are limits and restrictions on food:

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5082-eng.html#s2x12

[AE98]

1) I don't see how it would threaten her. It could be an honest mistake, or they could just be being a dick. But it shouldn't be a threatening tactic. If I was a cop and I pulled you over and kept on asking you why is your Drivers License expired, it wouldn't be a threat in any way, more like me being blind and ignorant.

2) Watch an episode or two of Cops, theres so many prostitutes 50+

3) The CBSA is supposed to have the upper hand. I'm working to get into the CBSA, and a friend who is already working at the CBSA told me that even if they see somebody they know, they still have to look professional and put on that asshole face. They can't show any weaknesses, the last thing we'd want is thugs flying in thinking they can manipulate the CBSA and getting into the country.
My dad was searched once and they basically flipped through his shit and didn't bother helping him put it back. Didn't throw it on the ground or anything but just caused a hassle. I'm sure theres more to the story than what she reported. I know she must've said something or done something to a CBSA officer to provoke such an action is they're actually "throwing" underwear on the ground (which I don't see is such a big deal) In my experiences, as long as I was nice to any authourity figure, they are nice back.

4) Again, they're taking precautions cause things similar to this has already happened in the past. Woman from Taiwan, comes to Canada, jumps plane, and can't be found anymore. Happened twice.

5) Things are supposed to be kept in a professional matter, if your teacher doesn't allow you to call up your mommy or daddy during class what would you do? Nothing. You can't do anything cause It's the classroom rules.

6) No, Canada is not that weak. But do you really want to be living in a city infested with drug dealers, prostitutes, rapist, murderers and child molesters running around who all came from other countries? And you know that thanks to the CBSA who didn't deport them initially when they could've but now you can't really do anything about them because the Canadian Justice System only gives out slaps on the wrist?


The point is, there are more civil ways to do these things.
The customs want to put on asshole face, fine, but when you do a search or interrogate, at least be civil and act with some manners, by throwing a visitors things on the ground only shows how uncivilized canada is and gives the canadian a bad name. You will never see such behavior happening in asia, even in advanced countries like Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, so why here?

they way they are are just plain rude.

[Graeme S]

The point is, there are more civil ways to do these things.
The customs want to put on asshole face, fine, but when you do a search or interrogate, at least be civil and act with some manners, by throwing a visitors things on the ground only shows how uncivilized canada is and gives the canadian a bad name. You will never see such behavior happening in asia, even in advanced countries like Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, so why here?

they way they are are just plain rude.
Right. Because those people would never worry about who they let into their country.

Oh, wait. Hangon a second. Wasn't it Singapore that executed an Australian guy for bringing some Heroin through the country? Not even TO Singapore, but THROUGH the Country?

Oh, But wait. That's civilized. Executing people for being drug mules. I forgot, they didn't take out his underwear and throw it on the ground.

[raygunpk]

Right. Because those people would never worry about who they let into their country.

Oh, wait. Hangon a second. Wasn't it Singapore that executed an Australian guy for bringing some Heroin through the country? Not even TO Singapore, but THROUGH the Country?

Oh, But wait. That's civilized. Executing people for being drug mules. I forgot, they didn't take out his underwear and throw it on the ground.

THEY THREW IT ON THE GROUNDDDDDD

[bcedhk]

There are always those power tripping customs officers.. Probably this lady ran into one that had a bad day , or just hates asians.

[sam0m0]

luckily the phonies didn't pull out a tazer, and taze her butthole. over and over till her butthole was on fire. The moral of this story. Never trust the system!

[AE98]

Right. Because those people would never worry about who they let into their country.

Oh, wait. Hangon a second. Wasn't it Singapore that executed an Australian guy for bringing some Heroin through the country? Not even TO Singapore, but THROUGH the Country?

Oh, But wait. That's civilized. Executing people for being drug mules. I forgot, they didn't take out his underwear and throw it on the ground.



I don't see how executing a criminal is not civilized. Pocession of Heroin is a very serious crime and is punishable by death in many East Asian countries, including Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China and Singapore. This guy was a criminal and got what he deserved.

Whereas this lady is not a criminal, shes just a visitor from Taiwan traveling to Canada to see her relatives, yet she was treated like one, or even worse. If this is the way canada treats her visitors, I really think Canadians do have something to be ashamed about.

[The Situation]

I don't see how executing a criminal is not civilized. Pocession of Heroin is a very serious crime and is punishable by death in many East Asian countries, including Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China and Singapore. This guy was a criminal and got what he deserved.

Whereas this lady is not a criminal, shes just a visitor from Taiwan traveling to Canada to see her relatives, yet she was treated like one, or even worse. If this is the way canada treats her visitors, I really think Canadians do have something to be ashamed about.

But if you were customs, how would you know she wasn't a criminal? With all that underswear, she could be a prostitute or a mamasan.

If you treat me disrespectfully, of course I'm going to make you my bitch and throw your underwear on the ground :haha:.

[Meowjin]

The point is, there are more civil ways to do these things.
The customs want to put on asshole face, fine, but when you do a search or interrogate, at least be civil and act with some manners, by throwing a visitors things on the ground only shows how uncivilized canada is and gives the canadian a bad name. You will never see such behavior happening in asia, even in advanced countries like Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, so why here?

they way they are are just plain rude.

uh, have you ever travelled?

I got treated like shit by HK customs and Singapore customs.

Try going to germany. The guys will point submachine guns at you if you say anything stupid to them.

Bottom line. Our country. I don't know why taiwan is so butthurt that one of their citizens can't get in the country. The CBSA don't know who this lady was and they had their suspicions(sp)

Just to give you an example, a good friend of mine was flying down to seattle to visit his brother who is a pharmacist there (he hasn't had a job in over 7 years... just sits at home and day trades) and got refused entry with the basis that they think he's going to migrate to the USA.

[SpuGen]

YouTube- NMA 2010.03.17 å‹•æ–°è�ž 婦控åŠ$國海關åˆ�難 「為何帶å��幾件內衣ã€� (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saNx7vhytUY)

Can't really understand mandarin, but she brought a shitload of cash?

[Vansterdam]

i would like to find out the rest of the story before assuming anything.


also lol'd at some of theses comments

[dimdiu]

Can't really understand mandarin, but she brought a shitload of cash?

well the video meant that that woman's husband only earns $100,000 in taiwan dollar (a month?) and she spend $50,000 taiwan dollar on plane ticket, and she brought 2 46kg suitcase which is highly suspicious

also they did let her call but the woman said no one picked up so they took her cell phone away.

but still, that video is only based on the woman's story, if they get the custom officers to come out and tell their side of the story, then we can decide who's wrong

I don't see how executing a criminal is not civilized. Pocession of Heroin is a very serious crime and is punishable by death in many East Asian countries, including Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China and Singapore. This guy was a criminal and got what he deserved.

Whereas this lady is not a criminal, shes just a visitor from Taiwan traveling to Canada to see her relatives, yet she was treated like one, or even worse. If this is the way canada treats her visitors, I really think Canadians do have something to be ashamed about.

just 1 question, y are u sooo determined that the woman is 100% innocent?? are you from taiwan?

[sonick]

i mean if the taiwanese chick was hot and 19 there might be an issue about hookers and whatnot, but this lady is 50 years old, i dont think theres a market for her.

Speak for yourself :thumbsup:

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

looks like she got owned really bad....

prejustice?

[Ride]

but still, that video is only based on the woman's story, if they get the custom officers to come out and tell their side of the story, then we can decide who's wrong



just 1 question, y are u sooo determined that the woman is 100% innocent?? are you from taiwan?

you will never hear customs side of the story because thats how they operate most of the time, to not reveal what they're intentions were even if it was right or wrong unless they make a significant drug bust or any other bust that makes them look good.

[dimdiu]

you will never hear customs side of the story because thats how they operate most of the time, to not reveal what they're intentions were even if it was right or wrong unless they make a significant drug bust or any other bust that makes them look good.

ouch then i guess no one's gonna know the truth :S

[raygunpk]

ouch then i guess no one's gonna know the truth :S

you can't handle the truth

[Mancini]

Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad.

[91civicZC]

I’m not even sure I understand the problem. She’s upset because our customs officials were rude? Ummmm, so what?

[Gumby]

I’m not even sure I understand the problem. She’s upset because our customs officials were rude? Ummmm, so what?
At least she reported to the government, and didn't post about her experience on a website...

[El Bastardo]

Shes playing the role of the victim nicely. Right now shes the one making all of the statements and can manipulate the story any which way she pleases.

And trust me, one woman's statement isn't going to stop Asians from coming to Canada.

[91civicZC]

There was no violation of her rights. This isn’t her country, this is Canada. She wanted to visit, officials said no after asking her questions and searching her. It happens everyday all over to the world to plenty of people trying to get into a country other than her own. Canada is not an open border free for all, with happy go lucky Mounties waving everyone in, despite what some people from other countries would like to believe. We don’t have an obligation to let anyone in, for any reason. Customs officials can turn you away for any reason if you are not a Canadian citizen, the same as any other border in any other country.

I can only assume she couldn’t prove where she was actually going and for what purpose. I would also assume from the luggage she was bringing that they figured she was going to stay in the country illegally. Why should she be allowed to call anyone? So they can tell her what to say? That’s not how customs works. Get your shit in order before you get here, period.

As a side note for the OP: Its customs, not custom. It has a fucking "s" at the end.

[raygunpk]

There was no violation of her rights. This isn’t her country, this is Canada. She wanted to visit, officials said no after asking her questions and searching her. It happens everyday all over to the world to plenty of people trying to get into a country other than her own. Canada is not an open border free for all, with happy go lucky Mounties waving everyone in, despite what some people from other countries would like to believe. We don’t have an obligation to let anyone in, for any reason. Customs officials can turn you away for any reason if you are not a Canadian citizen, the same as any other border in any other country.

I can only assume she couldn’t prove where she was actually going and for what purpose. I would also assume from the luggage she was bringing that they figured she was going to stay in the country illegally. Why should she be allowed to call anyone? So they can tell her what to say? That’s not how customs works. Get your shit in order before you get here, period.

As a side note for the OP: Its customs, not custom. It has a fucking "s" at the end.

u mad

[ezekiel]

lol i take/bring meat all the time from korea/canada

[91civicZC]

u mad

LOL:D

[twitchyzero]

you can turn visitors down on suspicions alone?

[wouwou]

you can turn visitors down on suspicions alone?
all countries can do that at the border

[91civicZC]

you can turn visitors down on suspicions alone?

Why couldn’t you? They are visitors, not Canadian citizens.

If you are not a Canadian citizen, you don’t have the “right” to be in Canada, its privilege. That privilege can be taken away by the customs agent if he or she feels that you could cause a problem for any reason inside of Canada. This woman looked like she was probably an immigration risk (meaning that she would try to illegally stay inside of Canada) so they booted her out. Good on them.

They really don’t need to justify there actions to anyone, especially someone from another country.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

yes but if the person doesnt actually have any suspicious item nor activity, without a legit proof are you actually able to turn them down? sure if you find weapons/drugs tats another story....but luggage full of clothes? isnt that pretty standard for a traveller?

[nns]

Is anybody else annoyed about how stupid some RS members are at believing hearsay like it's 100% fact, spoken from the mouth of God himself?

Really, come on, smarten up.

Until we hear both sides of the story, playing Monday morning quarterback and second guessing this is completely ridiculous. "Oh oh oh, but couldn't they ___________", "But but but they could've done ____________", or "Wait a second, i'm a stupid retard and i have no idea wtf i'm talking about RS 14$ balla fuck the police".

[SuperSlowSS]

15 days, 2 big suitcases ... 46kg, thats over 100lbs!
No wonder customs pulled her over.

[91civicZC]

yes but if the person doesnt actually have any suspicious item nor activity, without a legit proof are you actually able to turn them down? sure if you find weapons/drugs tats another story....but luggage full of clothes? isnt that pretty standard for a traveller?

Basically they are saying from what was packed in the luggage, it looked as though this person would be staying longer than the visa allowed, and longer than what she was telling them.

In a bid to curb the illegal immigration problem we have here, they turned her away. Pretty standard. She is not a Canadian citizen, she has no “right” to be in Canada. They don’t need any other reason than they didn’t believe what she was telling them.

The odd thing here is that I think a lot of people have this idea like she should be allowed into Canada if they cant PROVE that there is something wrong. She is not a Canadian citizen, we don’t have to prove anything. Its up to her to prove she should be allowed in, not on us to prove otherwise.

[SumAznGuy]

Basically they are saying from what was packed in the luggage, it looked as though this person would be staying longer than the visa allowed, and longer than what she was telling them.

In a bid to curb the illegal immigration problem we have here, they turned her away. Pretty standard. She is not a Canadian citizen, she has no “right” to be in Canada. They don’t need any other reason than they didn’t believe what she was telling them.

The odd thing here is that I think a lot of people have this idea like she should be allowed into Canada if they cant PROVE that there is something wrong. She is not a Canadian citizen, we don’t have to prove anything. Its up to her to prove she should be allowed in, not on us to prove otherwise.

Just look at all the Honduras people in the DTES that are selling drugs.

There is a ton of paperwork and red tape to bring in filipino maids and Mexican farm workers because of this exact problem that 91CivicZC has pointed out.

As for a 50 year old prostitute, look at some of the crack heads on Hastings then give your head a shake before making a statement like
Originally Posted by jackmeister
i mean if the taiwanese chick was hot and 19 there might be an issue about hookers and whatnot, but this lady is 50 years old, i dont think theres a market for her.

[wouwou]

yes but if the person doesnt actually have any suspicious item nor activity, without a legit proof are you actually able to turn them down? sure if you find weapons/drugs tats another story....but luggage full of clothes? isnt that pretty standard for a traveller?

the border doesnt need to have any actual proof, as long as "reasonable doubt" is there.

as many people said, her visa is not a right to enter Canada.

[sobranie33]

Well, that is story from her side. She might planning to stay in Canada illegally. She failed. So she complain how rude she was treated to exaggerate the issue.

[EmperorIS]

I don't see how customs did anything wrong here, someone was suspicious so they refused entry. Only thing I would complain about is the sluggish process and perhaps the question if a translator was accessible to woman

how much is too much clothes?

[t8v6]

15 days, 2 big suitcases ... 46kg, thats over 100lbs!
No wonder customs pulled her over.

thats how much i bring when i go to hong kong xD
two large suitcases with canadian shit for my grandparents over in hk and come back with one extra one with even more shit haha

[C.Dub]

bitch is trying to apply for refugee status. thats a whole lot of crap for a visit

[Meowjin]

Is anybody else annoyed about how stupid some RS members are at believing hearsay like it's 100% fact, spoken from the mouth of God himself?

Really, come on, smarten up.

Until we hear both sides of the story, playing Monday morning quarterback and second guessing this is completely ridiculous. "Oh oh oh, but couldn't they ___________", "But but but they could've done ____________", or "Wait a second, i'm a stupid retard and i have no idea wtf i'm talking about RS 14$ balla fuck the police".

there is no second side of the story. Someone got refused, they are not a canadian citizen. Therefore good on cbsa.

[AE98]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

[C.Dub]

^where have u been during the olympics?

[raygunpk]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

Location: Taiwan

umad

[Meowjin]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

.

actually yes they can.


And the rest of your argument makes you sound like a tool.

[lgman]

you know whats the minimum level of education required to begin training for CBSA border officer? 2 years of any college and completion is optional.

[wouwou]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

yes they can, that's why you don't fuck with the borders.

and where were you during the Winter games? even the Americans admitted that Canada is a great country and Canadians are NICE PEOPLE.

[Meowjin]

you know whats the minimum level of education required to begin training for CBSA border officer? 2 years of any college and completion is optional.

your point being? It doesn't take a college degree to profile someone.

[mikemhg]

Fuck it, she should know how to speak engrish than.

[EmperorIS]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

why can't you look at it from CBSA's point of view... they rather risk turning away one dipshit then to let one in and waste our resources...

your saying just because one little pussy's feelings was hurt .. we should be more open with our borders?
fuck you

[SumAznGuy]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

Seriously, get over it. So she is from Taiwan and you are too. This has nothing to do with race, but more so with protecting our country from people trying to move here illegally.

Whenever you attempt to cross the border, you are entering someone else's space. Just look at what happened to this guy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/article974868.ece

[bengy]

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn420/gapride2008/TGA/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

[91civicZC]

just because shes not Canadian, she can be toyed with and turned down by suspicion alone.

This is exactly where the CBSA needs to change its attitude, technically they can do whatever they want, but in real life this is just gonna do damage to canada's reputation and
show how this country has no courtesy and hospitality.

Your right, we have no courtesy and no hospitality, please dont come back. Tell your friends.

[jurson]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say WHO THE FUCK CARESSSS..... they're SUPPOSE to turn ppl away based on what THEY OBSERVED during the interview/tossing suitcase/wutever else they were doing. Unless you were physically there to SEE what was going on, no one can say shit

[quasi]

Like everyone else said I'd rather see them error on the side of caution. If you're not happy with the way you were treated don't come back. Coming here even to visit is a privelage not a right.

[AE98]

yes they can, that's why you don't fuck with the borders.

and where were you during the Winter games? even the Americans admitted that Canada is a great country and Canadians are NICE PEOPLE.

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.

[nns]

AE98 is secretly the lady who got her underwear violently tossed. I bet you can't even look at them anymore without breaking into tears.

[Meowjin]

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.

You're a fucking idiot.

[matrixfwd]

the underwear also deserves some legal representation for being hurt like this.

Her underwear were then violently thrown to the ground,

[StylinRed]

maybe it had some nasty stains on it so they chucked it out of their hands

[StylinRed]

you know whats the minimum level of education required to begin training for CBSA border officer? 2 years of any college and completion is optional.

im impressed its even that

speaking with them i assumed it was just a minimum of highschool attendance

[bing]

The point is, there are more civil ways to do these things.
The customs want to put on asshole face, fine, but when you do a search or interrogate, at least be civil and act with some manners, by throwing a visitors things on the ground only shows how uncivilized canada is and gives the canadian a bad name. You will never see such behavior happening in asia, even in advanced countries like Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, so why here?

they way they are are just plain rude.

you haven't heard both sides of this story. for all we know, this woman could be making shit up. you probably don't know but lots of people come to this country on "visas" and end up applying for refugee status.. this is a goddamn country and we have a right to refuse people.. you weren't there either you read a story in a newspaper, got all emotional yourself so you came on revscene to cry... go home sheep

[belka]

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.

GTFO of my country.

[bcedhk]

2 cases of 23kg luggages is not a lot for Asians to bring in. They probably bringing clothes and gifts for their relatives.

anyways.. some of the members here need a chill pill cause
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/DJReeg21/u-mad___camron.jpg

[dspot]

prejustice?

You can't be serious... haha

[falcon]

people just don`t get `sent back` to their country for no reason. there are things we aren`t being told here and until that crying lady gets a grip and tells the whole story, none of us can judge.

[wouwou]

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.I KNOW!

I am Chinese and these damn Canadians..

oh wait.

[asahai69]

lmao. she got "Bar Watched" by Canadian customs. maybe her relatives should get up and visit her in Taiwan instead of making a 50 yr old fly half way across the world. Well, they kind of have to now cuz she got roasted.

[Lomac]

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.

:rofl:

Seriously?

I'm still trying to decide if this guy is a troll or not. I want to believe it's a troll because even though I know people believe in shit like the 9/11 conspiracies, no one can be as truly ignorant as this...

[J-Chow]

Come to think of it, AE98, wasn't that your mom that was denied entry to our country?

Just drop the fuckin ball and stop crying us a damn river. If you don't like the decision, piss off.

We are only observing her POV, which is extremely exaggerated by the media . Until you hear the other side of the story, stop jumping on the bandwagon cause you're the only one on it.

Like 91civic said, those who are not Canadian citizens or Permanent Residents have no rights when seeking entry to Canada. You must prove to the Border officer that you are a genuine visitor. A VISA does not grant you entry into Canada. It is used to help facilitate your travel towards your destined country, but doesn't grant you entry. The officer grants you entry.

Since we don't know the other POV of the story, all we can do is assume what happened. Customs/Immigration officers do not inherently reject a passenger's entry into Canada for no reason. There is always a reason or some sort of justification to do so. Border officers have full authority to grant and deny anyone into the country and must to do so in a professional manner. They have a wide range of enforcement powers based on the Customs Act and Immigration Law. If you don't agree with their attitude, and our immigration laws, by all means, go complain to the Prime Minister.

Until then, sit the fuck down.

[The Situation]

THIS IS OUT HOUSE!!

[AE98]

From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices.


Taiwanese authorities are scrambling to contain a public furore that has erupted after one of its citizens was turned from Canada by border agents at Vancouver International Airport.

The story of Chung-hua Lee, a 50-year-old self-described housewife from Taipei, has been grabbing headlines throughout Taiwan in recent days, with sympathetic listeners and readers responding to her experience in Vancouver with their own horror stories of mistreatment at the same airport.

“Everyone is talking about this. I think that it is not very good for relations between Taiwan and Canada,” said Matthew Chou, director general of the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Vancouver.

The issue has turned into a diplomatic incident, with Taiwanese government representatives in Vancouver and Ottawa consulting with Canada’s border authorities in an effort to quell growing public concerns.

The story unfolded March 10 shortly after Lee arrived in Vancouver on a flight from Taipei on her first visit to the country.

According to media reports, Lee came for a 15-day visit with distant relatives, and brought with her all the documents she thought she would need to get through customs, including a valid passport, visitor’s visa and return plane ticket.

She passed initial security checks and obtained her luggage, only to be taken aside by border security agents as she walked toward the arrivals lounge.

For the next five and a half hours, she was detained and questioned about why she was in Canada, and whom she was visiting.

Lee, who speaks Mandarin, said a translator was brought in to help with communications, but she said the conversation went only one way, with her own questions to the English-speaking border agents going ignored.

Information she did provide was also lost in the translation, she said, and she was denied the opportunity to phone her Canadian contacts for help.

Instead, she said agents confiscated her mobile phone and contacted people, including her husband in Taiwan, themselves.

The resulting confusion was made worse by cookware she brought with her as gifts for her hosts, and which border agents determined to be inconsistent with a tourist visit.

In the end, they left her with two choices: “voluntarily” leave the country immediately on a return flight, or face several days in immigration lock-up while officials sorted through the process.

She chose the first option, bitterly noting in a radio interview Thursday with CBC, “the term ‘voluntary’ is a joke.

“I was almost threatened,” she said.

More than 30 hours after she left, Lee said she arrived back home in Taiwan frightened, angry and humiliated.

Since then, her story has been widely broadcast in newspapers, radio and television, prompting the Taiwanese government to wade into the fray.

Chou said his government directed him to find out what happened in Lee’s case.

Representatives from his office met with Canada Border Services Agency officials earlier this week. Chou said the CBSA has been cooperative and “willing to provide us with information.”

Taiwanese officials in Ottawa are also talking directly with the Canadian government to resolve the issue quickly.

“From my stance, I really hope we can have something settled as soon as possible,” Chou said. “Taiwan and Canada enjoy a cordial relationship ... and we treasure it.”

Lee, meanwhile, said she received a letter of explanation from CBSA earlier this week stating her entry was refused on the grounds that she was inconsistent with information she provided.

But she maintains she did nothing wrong and is seeking an apology from the Canadian government. She is also seeking financial compensation for the cost of her flight and trauma suffered.

“I’d like an explanation from government as to why this happened,” she said through a translator in the radio interview.

Jason Wang, chair of the Taiwanese Canadian Cultural Society in Vancouver, said the issue may be the result of cultural miscommunication, rather than simply a language problem.

He said the reaction the story is drawing in Asia suggests CBSA needs to look at how its agents interact with visitors.

“There is something that resonates with a lot of the people there ... not just the Taiwanese community,” he said. “Many people are saying they’ve had less-than-pleasant experiences at the airport.”

CBSA could not answer The Vancouver’s Sun questions on the issue Thursday.

dahansen@vancouversun.com
© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Taiwan+furore+after+woman+turned+back/2699424/story.html

[AE98]

you people are idiots...From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices before canada's public image continue to deteriorate. Cut the privillege / right bs..when you get a visitor who comes to ur country legally, you treat her with respect and hospitality.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Taiwan+furore+after+woman+turned+back/2699424/story.html

[Vansterdam]

:repost:

[bsftong]

:repost:
Funny thing is he reposted his own post....:facepalm:

http://www.revscene.net/forums/yvr-custom-did-t609122.html

[SpuGen]

Taiwanese media

China doesn't give a shit about Taiwan. What makes you think Canada does?

[91civicZC]

you people are idiots...From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices before canada's public image continue to deteriorate. Cut the privillege / right bs..when you get a visitor who comes to ur country legally, you treat her with respect and hospitality.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Taiwan+furore+after+woman+turned+back/2699424/story.html

Up until now, I thought this guy was for real.

Im guessing this guy is just fucking around now, no one is actually this stupid.

I say AE98 is just trolling to get responses.

If yo are for real, please go castrate yourself so your genes do not get passed on.

[SumAznGuy]

you people are idiots...From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices before canada's public image continue to deteriorate. Cut the privillege / right bs..when you get a visitor who comes to ur country legally, you treat her with respect and hospitality.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Taiwan+furore+after+woman+turned+back/2699424/story.html

Read the friggen article. She brought with her a bunch of pots and pans. If I was working for the CBSA, a foreign visitor with a bunch of pots and pans would lead me to believe they were trying to illegally move into the country.

[jurson]

Let me restate the point I made earlier, WHO GIVES A SHITTT. if you don't like it here you're free to go back to where you came from, and if you are already there, then u should stay there. If you don't like it here but CHOOSE to stay here, then you should STFU. (you = AE86)

[Greenstoner]

Read the friggen article. She brought with her a bunch of pots and pans. If I was working for the CBSA, a foreign visitor with a bunch of pots and pans would lead me to believe they were trying to illegally move into the country.

Im pretty sure pans and pots are cheaper in Taiwan, she might wanna bring some over for her relatives. I think its a culture thing that Taiwansese people brought stuff that is cheaper from oversea when they visit a country to give or for personal use.
Same goes to the Canadaian Taiwaneses when they are going back to Taiwan, typically they will bring shit load of vitamin. I think its the same theory.

My thought on the repiles in this thread ( not directing this comment to you SumAznGuy because i quoted and replied ). No, no one from Taiwan is gonna apply refugee status in Canada and I dont think the lady made this public becasue she wanted to kept the visitor stop visitng Canada.

She probably just wanna showed she didnt got treated respectfully and demand an apology. (This happens alot in Taiwan and it seems to work, if you make a big scene, you always get what you asked) But then she probably doesnt know Canada operates different than Taiwan, making a big scene wont get you anywhere in Canada and definitely wont help the case.

I think arguing on this topic is pretty stupid, because for fuck sakes its a woman got denied into Canada, who fucking cares... God knows how many others got denied and perhaps they just didnt reported to the media.

[Marco911]

They're the border protection agency, not some tourist welcoming committee. They don't have to be nice. The U.S. Customs and Border officers are 10X nastier than in Canada.

[SumAznGuy]

Im pretty sure pans and pots are cheaper in Taiwan, she might wanna bring some over for her relatives. I think its a culture thing that Taiwansese people brought stuff that is cheaper from oversea when they visit a country to give or for personal use.
Same goes to the Canadaian Taiwaneses when they are going back to Taiwan, typically they will bring shit load of vitamin. I think its the same theory.

My thought on the repiles in this thread ( not directing this comment to you SumAznGuy because i quoted and replied ). No, no one from Taiwan is gonna apply refugee status in Canada and I dont think the lady made this public becasue she wanted to kept the visitor stop visitng Canada.

She probably just wanna showed she didnt got treated respectfully and demand an apology. (This happens alot in Taiwan and it seems to work, if you make a big scene, you always get what you asked) But then she probably doesnt know Canada operates different than Taiwan, making a big scene wont get you anywhere in Canada and definitely wont help the case.

I think arguing on this topic is pretty stupid, because for fuck sakes its a woman got denied into Canada, who fucking cares... God knows how many others got denied and perhaps they just didnt reported to the media.

I understand it is a cultural thing to bring gifts when you visit other people. It's been lost, but usually you bring a fruit basket or cookies when you go over to someone's house. But in this case, if I was a CBSA worker, I would think it would be strange for her to come here with a suit case full of pots and pans. IMO, I would think she was trying to move here, maybe become one of those prostitutes you see advertise on CL.

What I don't like is how AE98 keeps bringing up how the CBSA needs to "treat her with respect and hospitality".

We already have that problem in the eyes of the US.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html

This article is a little old, but still relevent, especially to what we are talking about.

[neggo]

u mad

real mad

[124Y]

real mad
http://cdn.okmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wenn5377394.jpg

[AE98]

check out the response on vancouver sun...









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[wouwou]

check out the response on vancouver sun...

anonymous

1:03 PM on March 19, 2010
...


dude check out the responses on Revscene!

[DuhDang]

HEY AE98 learn how to read the fucken article. As you can read in the fucken article you reposted, it says that she was not answering the questions being asked and was being a stuck up bitch.
From my experience if you don't answer the border agents questions they tell you to GTFO.
Since your an emotional retard ill give you an example.
If you go the the US border and they ask you Where are you going? What is the purpose of the trip?
And you answer "ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKEN BUSINESS WHERE IAM GOING."
Most likely your getting a finger in the bum and sent back to Canada

[tool001]

this thread reminds me of this song.. as its sooo full of fail. just like the song
YouTube- Britney Spears - Oops!...I Did It Again

[bengy]

does this mean we'll have less FOBs from Taiwan wanting to come here? THE OUTRAGE!!!!

[MarkyMark]

Jesus people are such babies these days. Yeah no doubt it sucks being rejected from a country but it's by no means national news everytime it happens...that bitch is not special, she's not unique in any way, she's just one of many who get turned away everyday so deal with it. If this was the US no one would say shit, but oh it's Canada they have to be nice or it's beloved image of being nothing but rainbows and lollipops will be tarnished.
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[no_clue]

why the hate towards CBSA? They are one of the nicest, polite customs in my experience. They clearly followed the procedures when dealing with a suspicious person.

If the OP wants to whine, he should experience the TSA (Especially if he is EI/Middle Eastern).

[wouwou]

does this mean we'll have less FOBs from Taiwan wanting to come here? THE OUTRAGE!!!!

TWANGERS!

[neggo]

http://cdn.okmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wenn5377394.jpg

ahahahahaha :haha:

[LemonH2O]

you people are idiots...From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices before canada's public image continue to deteriorate. Cut the privillege / right bs..when you get a visitor who comes to ur country legally, you treat her with respect and hospitality.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Taiwan+furore+after+woman+turned+back/2699424/story.html

Can you at least use SOME proper grammar and correct spelling if you're going to come on a local site to bash "us people" in our language, which by the way, is ENGLISH.

Why are you speaking on behalf of "alot of chinese cities" if you're from Taiwan? Last I checked, there are no "Chinese" cities in Taiwan, those are in CHINA. I've had many friends and relatives visit from Hong Kong and China and I can't personally say any of them have had such "questionable practices" implied on them. Maybe because they don't give Canadian Customs reasons to suspect them of alterior motive than they say.

If you haven't heard already, you are douche bag of the month and I hope you don't expect respect or hospitality from "us people" if you ever come to OUR country.

[Rich Sandor]

looks like AE98 is making a lot of new friends. LOL.

[Yuu]

Ummm, so a translator was used but it was not useful to her? Sound like she was baby.

And obivously you don't questions the Enforcement officer if you don't answer their questions first.

Lee, who speaks Mandarin, said a translator was brought in to help with communications, but she said the conversation went only one way, with her own questions to the English-speaking border agents going ignored.

[falcon]

why do we give a shit anyways? we (most of us) live here already so who gives a fuck? it is about time the CBSA and Immigration tighten up on everything. our laws are too lax.

[Mercy]

Canadians are only nice to their american and english masters. When a person from a non-english country comes to canada, eg: poland, they just kill him. Real nice...this just shows how barbaric the canadian pratice is.

Hi I'm from Poland my family immigrated here in 89 and we've had no problems since and everything i remember since then in terms of people being nice everyone's been real nice. What happened to Robert could of happened to anyone things happen people make mistakes don't think you're special or this women is special because she got denied access to enter Canada. Life is life move on.

[2damaxmr2]

Racism will exists no matter what happens. Life moves on

[DDauge]

well I guess theres something we can learn from this incident.

In East Asia the custom staff are usually nice and warm. If you are a resident they frp, time to time will greet you with "welcome home", and if you are a visitor they will say welcome to Japan/Korea/Taiwan etc...and some even will have a smile on their face.

so custom staff is really like customer serivce there, whereas the custom here are plain assholes who think ur a criminal. Theres no wonder this Ms.Lee thought she was treated badly and asks for compensation..but I think theres definitely something our custom can improve on, especially their attitude. For sure their job is hard, but a little smile on the face wouldnt hurt.

[MarkyMark]

Any country that thinks you are up to some shit is not going to be polite behind closed doors, who cares how friendly everyone is out in the open. Welcome to Taiwan my ass, wait till they think you have drugs in your underwear and see how nice they are when your getting strip searched.
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[hchang]

well I guess theres something we can learn from this incident.

In East Asia the custom staff are usually nice and warm. If you are a resident they frp, time to time will greet you with "welcome home", and if you are a visitor they will say welcome to Japan/Korea/Taiwan etc...and some even will have a smile on their face.

so custom staff is really like customer serivce there, whereas the custom here are plain assholes who think ur a criminal. Theres no wonder this Ms.Lee thought she was treated badly and asks for compensation..but I think theres definitely something our custom can improve on, especially their attitude. For sure their job is hard, but a little smile on the face wouldnt hurt.

I've had different experiences.

It must be cause some of you aren't being polite to the CBSA or something, everytime I fly back I ALWAYS get greeted with a "Welcome Home" from them. I maintain eye contact, answer too all of their questions respectfully with "sir" or "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, and I don't try to strike a conversation with them.

I was actually born in Taiwan, but immigrated here in 97 and do not hold a Taiwan passport anymore. Their Customs on the other hand, were dicks, the way they talked and the way they handled things felt like all they had to do was finish elementary school. Even being polite to them doesn't help. But I don't whine and tell CTV or Global BC that I was treated unfairly because when you go to another country you have to respect the way of how they deal with things, and normally tourists get pushed around a bit, and that's the price we take for traveling.

[twitchyzero]

actually for once i agree with ddauge
in my experiences CBSA aren't a friendly bunch, but whatever they are just doing their job.

I felt the Asian customs are generally more welcoming.

[bengy]

They don't have to be nice to do their job properly.

Also, if you're nice to them, they will be nice to you.

Went to pick up a package yesterday from Blaine. Came back and had customs do a quick search on my car for drugs, but didn't charge me duty for my package.

When you travel often, you learn what to say and do to make your travels more comfortable :thumbsup:

[Meowjin]

well I guess theres something we can learn from this incident.

In East Asia the custom staff are usually nice and warm. If you are a resident they frp, time to time will greet you with "welcome home", and if you are a visitor they will say welcome to Japan/Korea/Taiwan etc...and some even will have a smile on their face.


NOT THEY DONT. I have TRAVELLED to these places and they are ALL SERIOUS as shit.

[SumAznGuy]

I remember flying to NYC and they had guards armed with machine guns. They were not smiling and they were definately not polite, but I wasn't gonna argue with them.

[Alatar]

Travel the world.

Any other country, the first question asked:

"Have you been to any other countries in the last 14 days? Any plants, animal products, etc.?"

Come to Canada, the first question asked:

"Are you bringing any goods we can charge you tax or duty on?"

[wouwou]

Travel the world.

Any other country, the first question asked:

"Have you been to any other countries in the last 14 days? Any plants, animal products, etc.?"

Come to Canada, the first question asked:

"Are you bringing any goods we can charge you tax or duty on?"

that is so true lol

[DDauge]

I've had different experiences.

It must be cause some of you aren't being polite to the CBSA or something, everytime I fly back I ALWAYS get greeted with a "Welcome Home" from them. I maintain eye contact, answer too all of their questions respectfully with "sir" or "ma'am" at the end of each sentence, and I don't try to strike a conversation with them.

I was actually born in Taiwan, but immigrated here in 97 and do not hold a Taiwan passport anymore. Their Customs on the other hand, were dicks, the way they talked and the way they handled things felt like all they had to do was finish elementary school. Even being polite to them doesn't help. But I don't whine and tell CTV or Global BC that I was treated unfairly because when you go to another country you have to respect the way of how they deal with things, and normally tourists get pushed around a bit, and that's the price we take for traveling.


well, at least you dont get Taiwanese custom asking you "why are you bringing 10 pieces of underwear into Taiwan" and get deported back to canada and wasted your plane ticket...you would probably whine all the way to the ministry of foreign affairs too.

[hchang]

well, at least you dont get Taiwanese custom asking you "why are you bringing 10 pieces of underwear into Taiwan" and get deported back to canada and wasted your plane ticket...you would probably whine all the way to the ministry of foreign affairs too.

That's because I don't bring an unreasonable amount of underwear to change.

How do you not see its suspicious that some lady is bringing back more underwear than she needs? It's fair for the CBSA to deny admittance to our country because as I've mentioned in my earlier posts there has been two or three other cases of taiwanese women coming to Canada and jumping plane to be a prostitute or masseuse.

If I wasted a plane ticket, yes for sure I'd be pissed as shit, but if their Customs has had cases of young people coming from Canada to cause trouble and refuse my admittance cause they think I have gang affiliations or whatever, I'll understand. What can I possibly accomplish by complaining to foreign affairs? I got more of a chance receiving an apology from a brick wall than I do with Foreign Affairs.

Not trying to say Taiwan's a bad country or anything... but do you honestly think people from Canada would go jump plane in Taiwan? No, it's the other way around cause if you look around you, Vancouver has a lot of Chinese/Hong Kong/Taiwan immigrants, whereas in Taiwan, there are little to none Canadian/US immigrants.

[Graeme S]

well I guess theres something we can learn from this incident.

In East Asia the custom staff are usually nice and warm. If you are a resident they frp, time to time will greet you with "welcome home", and if you are a visitor they will say welcome to Japan/Korea/Taiwan etc...and some even will have a smile on their face.

so custom staff is really like customer serivce there, whereas the custom here are plain assholes who think ur a criminal. Theres no wonder this Ms.Lee thought she was treated badly and asks for compensation..but I think theres definitely something our custom can improve on, especially their attitude. For sure their job is hard, but a little smile on the face wouldnt hurt.
I'm gonna have to agree with Majin on this one; when I went to Korea last summer, it was not all smiles and happiness. I got a serious face, and some annoyed tsk-tsk-ing because I couldn't speak Korean. It was the height of the swine flu paranoia and I was checked over several times. Not just for symptoms either; where are you going to live, what number can we reach you at, how long are you staying for, etc etc.

During my stay, they called my friend (who travelled at the same time as me) ONCE to find out if she had symptoms. They called to check on me four times.

Do I get my panties in a bunch saying they were discriminatory? Fuck no. You know what would have happened if I had gotten even the slightest fever? I would have been quarantined. What would have happened if I'd complained? Nothing.

Does swine flu matter now? Was there any crazy wave of death? Nope. If I had been quarantined and there had been no big deal, what would have happened if I had raised a stink? Nothing. Because they were cautious and wanted to make sure shit didn't go down.

Welcome to the job of border security.

[El Bastardo]

you people are idiots...From Vancouver Sun...This incident has turned into a public outrage in the Taiwanese media and alot of Chinese cities. It's time canada do something to change its questionable practices before canada's public image continue to deteriorate. Cut the privillege / right bs..when you get a visitor who comes to ur country legally, you treat her with respect and hospitality.




Who gives a shit? Taiwan isn't a real country anyway. Shes lucky we accepted her passport.

[Anjew]

Who gives a shit? Taiwan isn't a real country anyway. Shes lucky we accepted her passport.


this fake country you speak of has the biggest industry for all our electronics... computers, tvs, iphones.......

[Graeme S]

this fake country you speak of has the biggest industry for all our electronics... computers, tvs, iphones.......
Industry or no, it's acknowledged by only a fraction of the world. If Taiwanese people want to travel to China, they have to give up their ROC Passports and get modified PRC ones.

Tell the rest of the world Taiwan's a real country. A real place of residence? Absolutely. Country? Hmm...so where's the Taiwanese consulate in Canada? ;)

[twitchyzero]

Western nations don't want to recognize taiwan as a nation because they don't want to challenge PRC's political influence

If taiwan isn't a country it would have political and financial ties and connection to Beijing.

anyways that's not really related to the topic.

[Graeme S]

Western nations don't want to recognize taiwan as a nation because they don't want to challenge PRC's political influence

If taiwan isn't a country it would have political and financial ties and connection to Beijing.

anyways that's not really related to the topic.
Neither is the fact that Canadian customs bows down to our American and British masters.

[Underdawg]

If Taiwanese people want to travel to China, they have to give up their ROC Passports and get modified PRC ones.

LOL at the incorrect statement... Give up? So that mean a lot of people in Taiwan are holding "modified PRC passports" because they went to China before? How did they get back to Taiwan again?


Tell the rest of the world Taiwan's a real country. A real place of residence? Absolutely. Country? Hmm...so where's the Taiwanese consulate in Canada? ;)

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Also I think AE98 is being an idiot for parading with the Taiwanese media... Sure I was kinda pissed at first when I read the news. But come to think of it, its obvious the woman is going to play all damn innocent and pretending to be the victim. We only heard one side of the story and PEOPLE DONT GET DEPORTED BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY FOR NO REASON. I mean how many fucking Taiwanese people go through YVR a year??? Tourists, students, immigrants... If there are several similar incidents like this without clear explanations then ok, there might be something wrong with the airport security procedures. So when was the last time something like this happened..?

So AE98 just STFU. Please. You are giving Taiwanese people a bad name with all your bitching. Just stop right there before this thread turns into a Taiwan-bashing session...

[Meowjin]

LOL at the incorrect statement... Give up? So that mean a lot of people in Taiwan are holding "modified PRC passports" because they went to China before? How did they get back to Taiwan again?




2008-925 West Georgia Street, Vancouver

World Exchange Plaza
45 O'Connor Street, Suite 1960, Ottawa

151 Yonge Street, Suite 501, Toronto

http://www.international.gc.ca/protocol-protocole/reps.aspx

I don't see it on the list.

[twitchyzero]

that's taipei's economic and cultural office..but they process things like passport there as well.
like i said, the name taiwan doesn't exist in western nations for reasons I've already explained.
china's gonna bitch and BC doesn't want to lose a major exporter over some small island.

[Graeme S]

LOL at the incorrect statement... Give up? So that mean a lot of people in Taiwan are holding "modified PRC passports" because they went to China before? How did they get back to Taiwan again?


I apologize, I had been talking with a twanger friend who's schooling in BJ. She had to acquire mainland travel papers before leaving and I was under the misapprehension she'd had to turn in her TW passport in order to get them. My bad.



That having been said, Taiwan still doesn't have a consulate here, it has a trade office.

Now, don't get me wrong, I support Taiwan's pseudoindependance; I have a great number of taiwanese friends and I think TW is doing a lot of things better than the mainland. Yes, most of the reason TW isn't acknowledged is because the Mainland has huge amounts of power...but there's not much you can do about it. And I agree, this is a total aside and is completely unrelated to what's going on here. But so is the overinflated sense of importance that seems to be being placed on Taiwan's importance in this issue.

This is one stupid retarded housewife who got booted for being suspicious and uncooperative (being given a translator and STILL not being able to give proper answers?) and who decided to call the media and whine about it. Oh, and one retardedly zealous twanger who decided that something hat happened to one retard was a giant affront to his place of origin and is trying to push his opinion on others.

[Meowjin]

why doesn't china invade taiwan?

[DDauge]

why doesn't china invade taiwan?

their relationship couldnt get better at the moment...economically they are pretty much already united.

you should worry about when will usa invade canada first

[Underdawg]

Why doesn't Canada invade North Pole and Greenland?

[HSK]

too cold, too big, we'll piss off the Russians

[twitchyzero]

why doesn't china invade taiwan?
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