[dutch]

YouTube- Excessive force by Victoria police - Mar 20, 2010 - judge for yourself

[tripleE]

tax payers money...:rolleyes:

[TOS'd]

oh yay for justice! suspending with pay, as usual?

[bengy]

I was watching this on the news today. They also mentioned how prison inmates get pensions! LOL

[1exotic]

cry more about it.

this is nothing, be lucky you live in Canada... suck it up and go on the ground when the cop tells you... not resist.

[GabAlmighty]

cry more about it.

this is nothing, be lucky you live in Canada... suck it up and go on the ground when the cop tells you... not resist.

More the unecessary kicks and kneeing. But yes, pretty lucky to be in Canada compared to some places.

[skyxx]

If you don't want to get shit kicked in the face then don't fuck around. Simple as that.

[C.Dub]

lol at the fat dude chained to the lamp post

[flagella]

lol at the fat dude chained to the lamp post

:haha: I noticed too.

[$_$]

Don't you guys understand that it's an attitude that's brewing within the ranks of the R.C.M.P? I've talked to too many people who shares the same views during my work at the Olympics, while we worked beside officers from around the nation. I spoke to a particular individual who was extremely outspoken about this subject because he worked in as a chemist in a forensics lab, and was used to officers treating him and his co-workers like second class citizens because they weren't police officers.

[StealthFighter]

is it just me or is the cop in the short sleeve near the end smiling after his buddy kicks the guy? 0:54

i'm not one of those whiners that hate on cops. but i think some of the kicks were a bit uncalled for. especially when he has steel toed boots on. the rest of the cops weren't doing anything wrong. just the guy in the yellow jacket.

[SkinnyPupp]

Without knowing what was going on before the video was taken, it's impossible to tell if this was excessive force. It looked to me like they were resisting arrest, so I assume not.

[MelonBoy]

My answer to these types of posts...YouTube- Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

[C.Dub]

^keener

[Vansterdam]

lol fat dude

[Fafine]

My answer to these types of posts...YouTube- Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8)

never gets old

[Greenstoner]

nice video, i like it.

[dutch]

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/bc_violent_takedown_100323/20100324?hub=BritishColumbia

[SkinnyPupp]

So basically these fuckers were ganging up and beating on one person, so they got what they deserved in the end. :thumbsup: to the RCMP

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

edit

despite the incident...still excessive force?

i mean the cop told the guy to get on the ground, he did get on the ground...he tried to let the cop handcuff his hands..but still gets beat....


????

[johny]

nothing wrong with that

[Preemo]

Yup, don't feel so bad for the pricks now. Gang beating a guy + resisting arrest = kick to the kidney. Well deserved to me.

[hal0g0dv2]

who gives a fuck

[PHO?]

hhaha at fat dude

[hal0g0dv2]

fuck this was on the front page of newspaper also

[pawdregry4g]

link to online article?

*edit: nevermind didn't notice it*

[Tegra_Devil]

I love watching these videos....punks deserve it

[twitchyzero]

the second guy was hardly resisting arrest

[$_$]

You don't need to watch the video to get a feel for the police attitude we have in this country. Go to any club on a Friday night and watch the cops come in and raid the place looking all stuck up pushing people around.

[TOPEC]

to serve and to own ur ass
thats how it seems like with cops now a days
the kicks were really uncalled for, yes the drunks were pricks for gang beating on one guy, but they obeyed and went down when the cop told them to do so, yet this one officer kept on booting it even when the guy obeyed his order.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

thats why i say fuck the police

YouTube- Bone Thugs-Fuck the Police

[TRD Rs200]

You don't need to watch the video to get a feel for the police attitude we have in this country. Go to any club on a Friday night and watch the cops come in and raid the place looking all stuck up pushing people around.

bunch of fags, walk in thinking they're all that. it happens almost every time i go clubbing

[nns]

Victoria Police is not apart of the RCMP.

[maxxxboost]

Meh, That guy was TKO'ed in the beginning of the Video (first seconds of the video on the left).

The police are not babysitters.

[ray666]

From looking at the video it may seem like the cop was a bit excessive, but we all need to consider the other side of the story.

Who knows what had happened before the police got there? Maybe they responded to a call in a well known gang hangout area where someone was assaulted or maybe even shot. And when the police got there, they noticed someone who was 'well known' to them at the scene. The guy was asked to get on the ground, he was too slow in doing it so the cop made him do it in a quick manner for the cop's own safety. Also, the guy was getting down with him facing to the cop in an upright position. He could have pulled out a gun and shot the cop for all we know.

I know this story may sound far fetched, but that or maybe something similar could have happened and the cop is just looking out for his own safety. The bottom line is, we can't quickly come to a decision about something we don't know the other side to.

[hchang]

We don't know the story of what happened before the video started, in the beginning of a video you can see a guy lying in front of the store not moving at all, doesn't seem like excessive force to me if these guys were the ones who beat the first guy down.

Just always comply with police orders and this would not happen to you. If you feel youre treated unfairly just take their badge number later and report it later. 9 out of 10 times if youre respectful to somebody in authourity, they will be respectful back. Simple as that.

[nns]

More info:

A YouTube video depicting a Victoria police officer kicking two young men during an arrest outside a downtown nightclub has gone viral on Internet, at the same time the internal police investigation is expected to become criminal. As of 1 p.m., it had been viewed more than 45,000 times.

Victoria police Chief Jamie Graham is holding a press conference today at 1 p.m. to address growing concern over the video and give more details into the internal investigation.

The 56-second video shot on Sunday at 12:30 a.m. under the dim illumination of streetlights shows the aftermath of a fight that broke out after a group of allegedly drunken men, age 19 to 27, left the Victoria Social Club in Market Square.

Police arrived, and some time afterwards a video began recording. It shows a man lying motionless, surrounding by onlookers, on the sidewalk in front of Muffet and Louisa on Store Street, between Pandora Avenue and Johnson Street. According to police, the man had been kicked in the head as part of a drunken brawl.

Nearby on the street, one or more police officers appear to have a man down on the ground, arresting him, when a yellow-jacketed Victoria police officer approaches the group and twice kicks the detainee.

It’s unclear whether the man who was kicked was resisting arrest at the time. At this point in the video a guy can be heard yelling, “Why is he kicking him?,” to which the videographer later replies, “Don’t worry Johnny, I’ve got evidence.”

The yellow-jacketed officer then turns to a grassy median, where he tells a man to get down on the ground. The man initially complies, and another officer enters the scene to turn the man face down and handcuff him. However, the young man, whose face seems bloodied, then tries to crawl away.

As the second officer grapples and tries to get him under control, the yellow-jacketed officer circles and places a hard kick into the man’s side and then knees him twice more in the back until the man being arrested yields his second arm to be handcuffed.

Victoria police spokesman Sgt. Grant Hamilton said the department learned of the YouTube video Monday. He understands “there’s people who will have a very emotional reaction to that video.”

Hamilton said it captures three officers trying to subdue eight individuals Sunday morning.

The foot-patrol officers had come upon a number of men who were attacking the prone man seen lying motionless outside the Muffet and Louisa store in the video. Hamilton said the alleged assailants had engaged in a drunken brawl after leaving the bar and were giving the boots to one man — kicking him in the head.

Hamilton said the public doesn’t see the viscous fight between the young men and wonders what the public reaction would be if people saw the victim being beaten and kicked.

“That’s the reality, that’s the environment we work in,” Hamilton said.

“Our officers tried to intervene,” he said. “They used [pepper] spray to disperse the crowd. What you see is three officers trying to take eight people in custody.”

Six men were eventually taken into custody, but all were released, because the victim refused to co-operate with the investigation.

The alleged victim of the fight was taken to hospital for treatment and released. Another man was treated by paramedics at the scene.

The Victoria police launched an internal investigation based on complaints from the public since the YouTube video aired. More details about that investigation will be released later today.

The Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner is monitoring the investigation and Graham will be the disciplinary authority in the case.

“The investigation will determine whether that use of force was justified and appropriate in the circumstances,” Hamilton said.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Video+Victoria+police+officer+kicking+young+during +arrest+goes+viral/2721915/story.html

[bengy]

^ All that doesn't mean shit. Cop kicked a guy while he was down and in cuffs.

[BaoXu]

wow. that makes the po po look really bad.

[DuhDang]

^ All that doesn't mean shit. Cop kicked a guy while he was down and in cuffs.

Doesnt mean jack shit
If I got beat by 6 guys I would be happy they cop gave em a kidney shot.
FUCK THERE RIGHTS

[Rich Sandor]

I normally side with cops, but I think it was a poor decision to kick the guy while he was down, even though he totally deserved it. Right now police have to be super careful of their image, and this is not helping.

[seakrait]

VICTORIA POLICE DEPARTMENT
POLICE ACT AUDIT:
FOCUSED INSPECTION & USE OF FORCE REVIEW

http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/police_services/publications/docs/vicpd-audit-report-focused-inspection.pdf

came up march 4th, 2010.

[TekDragon]

VICTORIA POLICE DEPARTMENT
POLICE ACT AUDIT:
FOCUSED INSPECTION & USE OF FORCE REVIEW

http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/police_services/publications/docs/vicpd-audit-report-focused-inspection.pdf

came up march 4th, 2010.

Man, it's 277 pages. Is there a cliffs notes out there of this?

[JD¹³]

I bounced at that bar for a while last summer. Pretty much all of us working the door were better at controlling and taking down violent patrons than the cops... without ever having to strike them.

Police training of hand to hand combat or control techniques must be non-existent. They either gang beat, taze, or shoot.

[TOPEC]

Doesnt mean jack shit
If I got beat by 6 guys I would be happy they cop gave em a kidney shot.
FUCK THERE RIGHTS

lets look at this from another point of view.

now, imagine u were one of those 6 guys, and all u did was just watch ur 5 other friends beat on 1 guy. cops come and arrest ur friends + u, but u knowing that u did not do anything, u question y ur getting arrested, the cops starts kicking the shit out of u for no reason. do u think the cops still had the rights to beat the shit out of u, or would u cry police brutality using excessive force?

[DuhDang]

lets look at this from another point of view.

now, imagine u were one of those 6 guys, and all u did was just watch ur 5 other friends beat on 1 guy. cops come and arrest ur friends + u, but u knowing that u did not do anything, u question y ur getting arrested, the cops starts kicking the shit out of u for no reason. do u think the cops still had the rights to beat the shit out of u, or would u cry police brutality using excessive force?

deep down inside I would know I deserved it for watching my friends pounce on a guy and enjoy it. HOWEVER I would cry police brutality and sue for large sums of money :thumbsup:

[Anjew]

ow ow ow

[m4k4v4li]

last time i checked it was the courts job to serve justice

[TekDragon]

last time i checked it was the courts job to serve justice

And when's the last time they actually did that job?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

I bounced at that bar for a while last summer. Pretty much all of us working the door were better at controlling and taking down violent patrons than the cops... without ever having to strike them.

Police training of hand to hand combat or control techniques must be non-existent. They either gang beat, taze, or shoot.

tats what they do best

[lonelydriver]

Police training of hand to hand combat or control techniques must be non-existent. They either gang beat, taze, or shoot.

Funny you mentioned that because I asked a similar question to my friend who works for the RCMP. He said they are taught to survive no matter what. Based on this situation, the officers would probably give one or two verbal warning before they would use force to subdue the guy. However, they would avoid hand to hand combat if possible because based on their point of view, the officer doesn't know if the guy has a knife hidden in his sleaves or in his pockets. If a hand to hand combat was to happen, the officer's chance of survival is worst than if he was a few feet away, giving him a full tactical view of the situation and allowing him more time to react to the suspect. Also, let say if that was a drug addict, and if the officer tried to physically subdue him, he would probably get poked accidentally from a dirty needle and get infected with an incurable disease - which is quite common than we hear from the media.

Having said that, I still think the police officer was a douche kicking the guy while he was down.

[JD¹³]

Funny you mentioned that because I asked a similar question to my friend who works for the RCMP. He said they are taught to survive no matter what. Based on this situation, the officers would probably give one or two verbal warning before they would use force to subdue the guy. However, they would avoid hand to hand combat if possible because based on their point of view, the officer doesn't know if the guy has a knife hidden in his sleaves or in his pockets. If a hand to hand combat was to happen, the officer's chance of survival is worst than if he was a few feet away, giving him a full tactical view of the situation and allowing him more time to react to the suspect.

So cops are trained solely to rely on their weapons, regardless of the situation, and when things get more personal to "just survive". It's suddenly no surprise why 4 of them tazed an unarmed man who didn't speak English, just because he was angry, and kneeled on his neck while they cuffed him... and killed him.

That policy needs to change because people aren't going to put up with this kind of shit anymore. It would probably help if they hired officers with some degree of common sense, because that's something that is clearly lacking in law enforcement in Canada everywhere from beat cops to the highest ranks of our judicial system.

[nns]

Some more context:

Tyler Archer needed help.

Around midnight Saturday, he'd turned the wrong corner and ended up in a fight with people he didn't know on Store Street. His shirt was pulled over his head. He was dealt several hard blows to the head.

"I got out of there and got onto the grass because my face was badly injured," said the 19-year-old Claremont grad, who plays defence for the Junior Shamrocks.

"My friend told the cops I'd been attacked. I wanted to get help, but once they started coming at me, I understood they weren't trying to help me."

More than 200,000 people have seen the Youtube video of Archer being kicked by an unidentified Victoria police officer.

Today, five days after the sharp kick to his ribs, Archer holds himself stiffly and appears close to tears as he recalls the sound of the kick and the pain reverberating through his body.

"I remember screaming. I remember yelling and crying afterward. It was probably the most painful thing, I've ever felt," said the six-foot, five-inch, 250-pound lacrosse player.

The next day, he couldn't get out of bed. When Archer, who has no criminal record, showed his parents the video, his mother Marnie Faust burst into tears, calling the kick "barbaric."

Archer said it still hurts to breathe and he performed miserably at a lacrosse tryout earlier this week. He is suing Victoria police for assault and breach of his Charter rights.

Defence lawyer Richard Neary said his client was confused and trying to comply with police commands. After being handcuffed, Archer was left face down on the ground for about 40 minutes, said Neary. He was treated by paramedics and allowed to go home.

"He's a young man incredibly shook up by what's happened. He's going to need some psychological help as well," said Neary.

Victoria police Chief Jamie Graham said yesterday that "many officers" who have viewed the video are "not shocked at all."

"This is use of force. This is what we're trained to do," Graham said.

The nine-year Victoria officer who inflicted the kicks has been placed on administrative leave and is the subject of an internal investigation by Victoria police and a criminal investigation by the Vancouver police.
http://www.theprovince.com/kicked+seeking+police+help+when+arrested/2728689/story.html

Cop in the yellow is at fault. I don't see any other reason to focus on anyone else except him. Graham saying officer's aren't shocked at all at the video is bad PR. I would't have revealed that to the press.

[Fafine]

so the one that got kneed was the one that got jumped?

[Great68]

so the one that got kneed was the one that got jumped?

Correct.

That's pretty fucked up. Get stomped on by some guys, then go to the cops for help and get stomped on some more.

But according to a lot of people earlier in the thread, he deserved it... :rolleyes:

[seakrait]

as an aside, victim or not, you still should follow police directions.

when the police show up, they have to do the investigation to determine who the actual victim is and who started the fight, etc. so everyone will probably get cuffed for police safety.

but i do lean towards the idea that kicking as a pain compliance technique wasn't generally the best choice...

[Great68]

as an aside, victim or not, you still should follow police directions.



Given the fact that he was just dealt blows to the head, he was probably pretty dazed and confused when the cops were giving him directions.

[SumAznGuy]

Given the fact that he was just dealt blows to the head, he was probably pretty dazed and confused when the cops were giving him directions.

But I highly doubt the cops were trained medical staff with a portable cat scan device to determine that that guy indeed had been curbed earlier.

[Great68]

But I highly doubt the cops were trained medical staff with a portable cat scan device to determine that that guy indeed had been curbed earlier.

What I'm saying is I sympathise with the guy because it may have been difficult for him to even understand what the cops were saying to him.

[m4k4v4li]

lol doesnt matter u dont just show up... start beating ppl up no questions asked

sounds familiar... asian guy house raid anyone

[jaguar604]

The cops show up and need to control the situation ASAP before they go around and figure out whats happened and who hit who.

[originalhypa]

That's pretty fucked up. Get stomped on by some guys, then go to the cops for help and get stomped on some more.

Messed up situation to be shitkicked, then booted by those who are supposed to protect you.

:(

[JD¹³]

What I'm saying is I sympathise with the guy because it may have been difficult for him to even understand what the cops were saying to him.
He obviously heard the cop telling him to get down on the ground. If you listen closely the kid in the striped shirt around 19 seconds brings the attention of the yellow jacketed cop to his friend who needs help. He walks over with him and the cop yells at the victim (who was requesting help) to get down on the ground.

Having personally dealt with the cop in the yellow jacket on numerous occasions while bouncing in Victoria I can't say this video surprises me. He's a piece of shit that has no place being a police officer as far as I'm concerned.

[asahai69]

lol i was in victoria that weekend at Upstairs. thank god i didnt go to social club. brown dudes be gettin beat. lmao

[Zulu]

I don't see the excessive force. Their job is to serve and protect - often amongst the most dangerous in our society. How often do you hear of young cops getting fucked up by groups of people when responding to domestic disputes? There was one recently were a young female officer was attacked so badly that her orbital is now like crushed gravel. I'd expect nothing less than hostility from an arresting officer.

[Berzerker]

Those were all legal UFC blows. There were no kicks to the head or knee's to the head to a downed opponent. I don't see the problem here.

Berz out.

[ericthehalfbee]

Still more to the story.

Six men were eventually taken into custody, but all were released, because the victim refused to co-operate with the investigation.

I want to know why he didn't press charges against the 6 people and why he refuses to cooperate with the police to allow them to lay charges.

This is the kind of thing you usually hear when a gang member gets shot at by another - the victim refuses to cooperate.

[welfare]

cry more about it.

this is nothing, be lucky you live in Canada... suck it up and go on the ground when the cop tells you... not resist.

first of all, the "just be happy it's not like it is over there" attitude is a fucking bullshit stance. you need to get your head out of your ass, because the way things are somewhere else has nothing to do with what's right or wrong here.
how can any logical person even think that?

secondly, that yellow jacket bozo got boot happy. no resistance when that happened. the second dude followed their orders pretty much immediately.
that officers actions were an embarrassment. where the fuck does he think he is? LA? these weren't hardened criminals holding heat here

[Great68]

So after two years, the courts finally found the officers used unnecessary force in this case:

A Victoria police officer abused his authority and used unnecessary force when he arrested Tyler Archer on March 21, 2010, a hearing has determined.

The kicking and kneeing incident involving constables Chris Bowser, 40, and Brendan Robinson, 26, was captured on video and posted to YouTube, where it has been watched thousands of times. The officers had been called to deal with a brawl outside a bar on Store Street.

On Wednesday, adjudicator Ben Casson, who presided over the hearing ordered by the Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner, found both Bowser and Robinson used excessive force during the arrest of Archer, a then 21-year-old Claremont Secondary School graduate who played for the Junior Shamrocks lacrosse team.

Casson found Bowser abused his authority by not intervening when Robinson rushed in and tackled Archer, and by delivering foot and knee strikes to Archer’s body.

Bowser will face a disciplinary hearing, tentatively scheduled for April 5.

The adjudicator did not find Robinson had abused his authority. Rather, he found Robinson, who was in his first year on the job, made a series of errors before tackling Archer, who was sitting on the ground, about to be handcuffed by Bowser. Casson found Robinson failed to pause and assess the situation, misinterpreted Archer’s behaviour as non-compliant and failed to give clear commands.

“I do not believe that it is the intention of the Police Act to subject a police officer to disciplinary proceedings when they used unnecessary force based on an honest but mistaken perception of an occurrence,” Casson said.

Bowser’s perception that Archer was a threat should have been dispelled when the young man got down on the ground as he was commanded to do and rolled onto his buttocks, Casson said.

Archer’s lawyer, Richard Neary, who is also representing him in a civil suit, said the decision has been a long time coming. “The way Const. Bowser has been exonerated up to this point has been a real appalling miscarriage of justice. … That’s been exposed now and that’s a tremendous relief.” Bowser’s actions were cleared in probes by three other police forces.

“I would wager that the City of Victoria has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to defend Bowser’s actions and refusing to admit that what happened to Archer was wrong,” Neary said.

“It’s been a long road and I’m just relieved that it’s over,” said Archer, who attended Casson’s announcement with his mother.

Acting Victoria police chief John Ducker expressed disappointment in the ruling but said the department respects the process. “These officers are called to move in on very difficult, very challenging situations . . . and make perfect decisions in a matter of seconds.” Ducker said video of the incident provided only a “narrow focus.” He said it will take careful analysis of the ruling before a decision is made on whether to appeal.

Penalties can range from a verbal warning to dismissal, Ducker said.

“These are some of the best officers we have in the department. I don’t feel they were acting unreasonably.”


Victoria police officer abused authority and used unnecessary force, hearing finds - Local - Times Colonist (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/victoria-police-officer-abused-authority-and-used-unnecessary-force-hearing-finds-1.99526)

[GabAlmighty]

Bahahahahaha, "Penalties can range from a verbal warning to dismissal, Ducker said." Euphemistic way of saying he's just gonna get a slap on the wrist.

[GLOW]

Bahahahahaha, "Penalties can range from a verbal warning to dismissal, Ducker said." Euphemistic way of saying he's just gonna get a slap on the wrist.

verbal warning: "don't get caught on camera next time"

:troll:

[MG1]

Compared to the bike incident, this one is a legit case of excessive force.

Having said that, it's not easy at the heat of the moment to keep your cool. I would not be good cop material, as I lose it easily. The job is crappy. You know you are being filmed all the time, yet you go in there trying to keep the peace. There are multiple people involved and you have to make quick decisions while at all times worried about being gunned down, stabbed, rocks thrown at you, etc. It could have been a long night for these guys. The dude in yellow jacket did lose it, I agree.

I think Skinny has been saying this all along, "Let's get the whole story first."

As for being suspended with pay, that's normal procedure.

In any case, I would never want to be a cop........ telling people what to do when they don't like being told what to do.

Teachers, principals, supervisors, bosses, security guards, law enforcement officers, you name it. People in authority are under the microscope 24/7. They are all human. Some snap under pressure. Totally understandable. Training is key, but with cutbacks and shit, it isn't always a priority. Then there's the "where do we get people?" When average Joe in our society are a bunch of douchebags, how many good cops can you find/recruit?

No easy answers. Anyway........ there's a hockey game going on.