[asian_XL]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032401543.html

GoDaddy.com Inc., the world's largest domain name registration company, told lawmakers Wednesday that it will cease registering Web sites in China in response to intrusive new government rules that require applicants to provide extensive personal data, including photographs of themselves.

The rules, the company believes, are an effort by China to increase monitoring and surveillance of Web site content and could put individuals who register their sites with the firm at risk. The company also believes the rules will have a "chilling effect" on new domain name registrations.

GoDaddy's move follows Google's announcement Monday that it will no longer censor search results on its site in China. Analysts and human rights advocates have warned that China's insistence on censorship and control over information is becoming a serious barrier to trade.

"GoDaddy is the first company to publicly follow Google's example in responding to the Chinese government's censorship of the Internet by partially retreating from the Chinese market," Rep. Christopher H. Smith (R-N.J.) said in a statement. "Google fired a shot heard 'round the world, and now a second American company has answered the call to defend the rights of the Chinese people."

Smith has sponsored a bill that would prevent U.S. companies from sharing personal user information with "Internet-restricting" countries.

In December, China began to enforce a new policy that required any registrant of a new .cn domain name to provide a color head shot and other business identification, including a Chinese business registration number and physical signed registration forms. That data was to be forwarded to the China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC), a quasi-governmental agency. Most domain name registries require only name, address, telephone number and e-mail address.

"We were immediately concerned about the motives behind the increased level of registrant verification being required," Christine N. Jones, general counsel of the Go Daddy Group Inc., told the Congressional-Executive Commission on China on Wednesday. "The intent of the procedures appeared, to us, to be based on a desire by the Chinese authorities to exercise increased control over the subject matter of domain name registrations by Chinese nationals."

GoDaddy has been registering domain names since 2000 and has more than 40 million domain names under management. Jones said China was the first government to retroactively seek additional verification and documentation of registrants.

Jones also said GoDaddy customers with Chinese domain names have recently been attacked more frequently than in the past. The sites targeted tend to be those "deemed not appropriate" by Beijing -- sites that contain content about the Tiananmen Square uprising or human rights, for instance.

"When our sites get shut down in China, we are never told why . . . and it's impossible to know why," Jones said.

Arvind Ganesan, business and human rights director at Human Rights Watch, said China's new rules are yet another example in which the Beijing government has sought to tighten its censorship policies and undermine the ability of U.S. companies to operate freely.

"The underlying intent is if you're engaging in political speech, we want to know who's engaging in it and what Web site is behind it," Ganesan said. "This is a way the Chinese government can send a chilling message to people that they shouldn't speak freely online. It's forcing us companies to be both the censor and the spy on behalf of the Chinese government."

Jones said GoDaddy's decision to stop registering new domains was unrelated to Google's recent decision.

"With all due respect, this has nothing to do with Google," she said. She added that the company had been deliberating what it would do about its business in China before Google's announcement.

Said Jones, "We decided we didn't want to be agents of China."

[SkinnyPupp]

China: The World Power of The Future~!

[Greenstoner]

i dont think China care at all

[SkinnyPupp]

They'll care when the world turns to India for everything, and China slips into irrelevancy.

[hk20000]

yeah funny you say that how come we don't get made in India stuff everywhere yet?

Genuine question. Too many people? Or they just can't make stuff?

[nipples]

No. Just before dell pulls out, they'll slip minitransformers into the laptops which will eat their users when china wishes.
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[SkinnyPupp]

yeah funny you say that how come we don't get made in India stuff everywhere yet?

Genuine question. Too many people? Or they just can't make stuff?
Because China started before them. India is quickly catching up though.

[m4k4v4li]

lol china started before?
India - 1947
China 1989

its because india is a democracy
decision making is slow since there needs to be consent and approval whereas china can do everything and anything it wants to further economic gain, at the expense of human rights, pollution, etc

[SkinnyPupp]

What are you going on about?

[wouwou]

Because China started before them. India is quickly catching up though.

sometimes you really should do the research before bashing, less troll-like you know.

China has the manufacturing advantage because it's a state-control economy, where everything can be worked out with a few people, instead of going through a process and the cost of mass production is extremely low.

If you need an example, just visit any city halls' engineering department, and ask about the time it takes from proposing to actually doing any road work. In China, it takes a fraction of the time, fraction of the cost, and fraction of the actual construction time.

India will never take the manufacturing jobs, because the cost associated with labour workers are WAY too high. This is coming from first hand experience too. The workers there are "union" without any of the pros. If any countries is taking the manufacturing jobs, it will be Indonesia or Vietnam.

and yes, China really doesnt care about godaddy.com other than the super bowl commercials.

[SkinnyPupp]

Bashing? Trolling?

OK, anyway...

Basically, when companies leave China (and more and more will) they will go to India instead. Maybe it will cost more, but to many the added cost will be worth it.

[wouwou]

Bashing? Trolling?

OK, anyway...

Basically, when companies leave China (and more and more will) they will go to India instead. Maybe it will cost more, but to many the added cost will be worth it.

Depends on the nature of the company though. If it;s not high-tech related, South-East Asia countries are generally a better bet than India.

[m4k4v4li]

newsflash skinnypupp

competitive trans-national corporations could give a flying fuck about business ethics when dealing with third world / industrializing countries

it doesn't matter how many companies leave china, because another company will seize the golden opportunity and fill that spot overnight

money talks

all you do is spew bullshit and troll

[Manic!]

yeah funny you say that how come we don't get made in India stuff everywhere yet?

Genuine question. Too many people? Or they just can't make stuff?

Because Indians are too smart to work in factories for 10 cents a hour.

Tech wise India is ahead of China.

[TRD Rs200]

they'll have fake google and godaddy in no time

[Manic!]

they'll have fake google and godaddy in no time

But they won't have the name recognition Google and Godaddy have in North America and the rest of the world.

[Anjew]

they're too busy cracking captcha codes for 10 cents an hour instead.

[m4k4v4li]

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[SkinnyPupp]

all I am ever doing is stating my own opinion on this matter. you guys are the ones throwing shit at me. if you can disagree with me without being a complete moron, you have my full respect. otherwise shut the fuck up and stop wasting your time trolling me.
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[.Renn.Sport]

But they won't have the name recognition Google and Godaddy have in North America and the rest of the world.

China don't really need to give a fuck about the rest of the world, when supplying the demand within the country is already hard enough.

The future of all business in China would not be export, but domestic use.

[RacePace]

Who else is waiting for the Chinese government to bend over to the will of corporations?

[no_clue]

imagine if wal-mart suppliers sourced their merchandise to india... China will probably collapse

[Greenstoner]

imagine if wal-mart suppliers sourced their merchandise to india... China will probably collapse

you joking right ? wal-mart?

[SkinnyPupp]

Who else is waiting for the Chinese government to bend over to the will of corporations?
I see wat you did their :awesom:

[AE98]

India is not even comparable to China in terms of economic scale..

China's GDP is 2nd in the world, where as India's GDP is only 13rd place, even behind Canada(which is 12nd place)

The GDP of the Chinese province of Jiansu, Zhejiang, and Shanghai surpasses the entire Indian GDP.

I have relatives working for a Taiwanese company in the electronic manufacturing in Shanghai China, and they say that the company also have manufacturing facililty in India...but the effeciency is not even close to China.

And by the way, India is by no means high tech...they take the lowest end and the most hedious type of IT jobs that the Americans or Japanese or Taiwanese dont do, like basic programing, debugging(where you sepnt countless hours looking at codes), and call centre...to call it a high tech country is like saying Vancouver is the financial centre of North America, total joke.

[too_slow]

Bashing? Trolling?

OK, anyway...

Basically, when companies leave China (and more and more will) they will go to India instead. Maybe it will cost more, but to many the added cost will be worth it.


It's happening a lot faster than one would anticipate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.CZpPUCnhHg&pos=6

Dell shif

[!LittleDragon]

imagine if wal-mart suppliers sourced their merchandise to india... China will probably collapse

Imagine if China cuts off trade with the rest of the world and only supplied within the country. They have the people, resources and money to supply themselves and forget about everyone else.

[johny]

pretty soon the tides will change and fake google china will be paying google USA 10 cents / hour for work.

[El Bastardo]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA the real troll is the post above mine

[v.Rossi]

You have any idea how fast you were going??!?
OHHH you're that GODADDY girl!

fuck off, now let me get back to my show.

[Manic!]

Imagine if China cuts off trade with the rest of the world and only supplied within the country. They have the people, resources and money to supply themselves and forget about everyone else.

So the people working in the factory will by the products they make. Seems like the money will be going around in a circle.

[DuhDang]

Everyone knows China=cheap shit India= call centers

[q0192837465]

I wonder if these companies are replaceable. Like Google vs Baidu. Yes, Google leaves China, but that only opens up the market for Baidu to expand. After a while, it would have been as tho Google never existed. Same with GoDaddy and Dell. China can simply copy their business models and come up with GoMommy and Cell. In the end, the Chinese ppl will eventually buy thir homemade/copied brands. I don't see how these big Western corps can flip a bird at China

[El Bastardo]

You have any idea how fast you were going??!?
OHHH you're that GODADDY girl!

fuck off, now let me get back to my show.


In China the GoDaddy knockoff commercials would have the cop pulling over a c-lai for changing lanes with no signal or shoulder check.It would end with the cop trying to arrest the driver for trying to bribe her. The commercial closes with the c-lai pointing at the color of her license plate and tearing up the ticket.


Ahh China

[!LittleDragon]

So the people working in the factory will by the products they make. Seems like the money will be going around in a circle.

Well, yeah... Buy domestic as they say, keep the money within the country

[mikemhg]

LOL at all the Chinese people catching feelings at Skinnypup in this thread :haha:

[Manic!]

Well, yeah... Buy domestic as they say, keep the money within the country

Ya but can the people afford the products they make?

Imagine owning a store and the only people buying are you and your workers. How would that work?

[DDauge]

Everyone knows China=cheap shit India= call centers

So I guess the sony LCD TV you own and your Iphone are both cheap shit?

You probably dont know, China only assembles these items, the components inside come from companies in the US, Japan and Taiwan. So buying a made in China pretty much is pretty much the same as buying in US or Taiwan or Japan, just that labour was done in China.

[SkinnyPupp]

So I guess the sony LCD TV you own and your Iphone are both cheap shit?
You think they aren't? All that electronic shit is just cheap disposable crap, intended to be replaced in no more than a couple years.

You just owned yourself with that argument :thumbsup:

And nothing in an iphone comes from anywhere other than China. Probably same goes for most Sony TV's.

[!LittleDragon]

Ya but can the people afford the products they make?

Imagine owning a store and the only people buying are you and your workers. How would that work?

It would work the same way it does in any other country. It's not like Hillbilly Jim can afford the Cadillac being produced in his own country. I'm not going to go into great detail about the circular flow of income but money gets spread around. Many Americans want to bring manufacturing back to keep the money and jobs in America.

[Manic!]

It would work the same way it does in any other country. It's not like Hillbilly Jim can afford the Cadillac being produced in his own country. I'm not going to go into great detail about the circular flow of income but money gets spread around. Many Americans want to bring manufacturing back to keep the money and jobs in America.

People talk about bringing manufacturing back to America but no one wants to pay 10g's for an American made TV and the average Chinese person can't afford a $1000 TV.

[iwantaskyline]

You think they aren't? All that electronic shit is just cheap disposable crap, intended to be replaced in no more than a couple years.

You just owned yourself with that argument :thumbsup:

And nothing in an iphone comes from anywhere other than China. Probably same goes for most Sony TV's.

Any facts/links you can post to back that up? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass again. Pretty sure my Iphone says "Assembled in China".

[SkinnyPupp]

Any facts/links you can post to back that up? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass again. Pretty sure my Iphone says "Assembled in China".
Did I not say it was made in China? :facepalm:

[!LittleDragon]

People talk about bringing manufacturing back to America but no one wants to pay 10g's for an American made TV and the average Chinese person can't afford a $1000 TV.

Costs don't stay the same. The more $10,000 TV's people buy, the less it'll cost to make and prices come down... and more people can afford them and prices come down even more, etc... Like I said, I didn't want to go into great detail about circular flow but money gets spread around. The auto industry is a good example of China's self sustainability. For the most part, they only sell their cars to themselves and the industry is thriving.

This seems to have gone off on a tangent so I'll get back to the original point I was trying to make. Walmart leaving China won't affect the country much at all but the world would be at a standstill if China shut it's doors to trade. They've amassed so much wealth and resources over the years that they can have their own self sustained economy, they don't need companies like Dell, Google or GoDaddy.

[SlySi]

Costs don't stay the same. The more $10,000 TV's people buy, the less it'll cost to make and prices come down... and more people can afford them and prices come down even more, etc... Like I said, I didn't want to go into great detail about circular flow but money gets spread around. The auto industry is a good example of China's self sustainability. For the most part, they only sell their cars to themselves and the industry is thriving.

This seems to have gone off on a tangent so I'll get back to the original point I was trying to make. Walmart leaving China won't affect the country much at all but the world would be at a standstill if China shut it's doors to trade. They've amassed so much wealth and resources over the years that they can have their own self sustained economy, they don't need companies like Dell, Google or GoDaddy.

LittleDragon
Oddly enough.. You and only couple more above are the only voice of reason in this thread.

And here's my sidenote ramble...
The only thing Dell accomplished was lower the cost of their business. Instead of China.. they are now bringing it India. Im fairly sure there was a bid process and India undercutted China. India can now enjoy Dell's sweatshop business.

Good on Google for stepping up against censorship. Although I find it hard to believe its only for that reason. There are many untold stories behind this fiasco. As well....financially.. a mistake. Whether they want to believe it or not. They will miss a big jump in revenue growth in the future. Again good on Google for using the censorship game. Somebody had to.


Godaddy leaves China?
Really?? nobody cares..

[q0192837465]

^good point. If Google & other companies have already decided to jump ship before this whole censorship fiasco, they might as well milk it for what it's worth and boost their image.

[Manic!]

Costs don't stay the same. The more $10,000 TV's people buy, the less it'll cost

But the cost of wages don't come down. In America you still have to pay min wage and that's at least 10 x higher in the US than China.

[iwantaskyline]

Did I not say it was made in China? :facepalm:

Assembled and "Made" are entirely different.

[m4k4v4li]

LittleDragon
Oddly enough.. You and only couple more above are the only voice of reason in this thread.

And here's my sidenote ramble...
The only thing Dell accomplished was lower the cost of their business. Instead of China.. they are now bringing it India. Im fairly sure there was a bid process and India undercutted China. India can now enjoy Dell's sweatshop business.

Good on Google for stepping up against censorship. Although I find it hard to believe its only for that reason. There are many untold stories behind this fiasco. As well....financially.. a mistake. Whether they want to believe it or not. They will miss a big jump in revenue growth in the future. Again good on Google for using the censorship game. Somebody had to.


Godaddy leaves China?
Really?? nobody cares..

/end thread right here

lol @ anyone who believes google will risk a sound business environment and a massive consumer market merely for the sake of a good image in the public eye

[!LittleDragon]

But the cost of wages don't come down. In America you still have to pay min wage and that's at least 10 x higher in the US than China.

Wages don't account for everything. Wages may not go down but other aspects of production costs do (buying more bulk materials, more efficient assembly lines, etc)... which makes things more affordable to more people. Things like cars used to be luxuries of the rich until Ford found a way to make it affordable to everyone.

[bengy]

Good, time to stop mindless consumerism. Oh noes, can't spend tons of cash on useless shit anymore! Now I can finally pay off my house and feed my children properly.

[no_clue]

I wasn't talking about Wal-Mart, I was talking about its suppliers such as cutlery/tires/clothes/toys/hardware etc which moved, will cause some chaos as the majority of inventory in Wal-mart is made in china.

and as for China blocking all trade and self-sustain.... how will they show face/status when they can't import a mercedes-benz/lv/cartier/etc la?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

YouTube- Cute Animals, "Why Can't We Be Friends"

[Manic!]

Wages don't account for everything. Wages may not go down but other aspects of production costs do (buying more bulk materials, more efficient assembly lines, etc)... which makes things more affordable to more people. Things like cars used to be luxuries of the rich until Ford found a way to make it affordable to everyone.

You also have land costs, building costs, environmental laws and the fact everything is geared toward building TV's in China.

[q0192837465]

^ cuz you can't make money if you're frends with everyone

[!LittleDragon]

You also have land costs, building costs, environmental laws and the fact everything is geared toward building TV's in China.

Which are factors in any other country. Factories are easily configurable to produce anything, they also already have huge agriculture, textiles and automotive industries as well. Everything America had at one point in time. China can easily cope without the rest of the world if everyone pulled out or if China decides to shut everyone out.

[m4k4v4li]

lol except companies won't pull out of china. if they do its their loss not the other way around and they're replaced almost overnight

[bengy]

Which are factors in any other country. Factories are easily configurable to produce anything, they also already have huge agriculture, textiles and automotive industries as well. Everything America had at one point in time. China can easily cope without the rest of the world if everyone pulled out or if China decides to shut everyone out.

Because China doesn't import anything right? :thumbsup:

[hk20000]

if you inspected your flat panel tv more carefully you'll notice that they are made in mexico.

[AE98]

if you inspected your flat panel tv more carefully you'll notice that they are made in mexico.

If you are talking about Sony LCD TV, they are ASSEMBLED in Mexico by Honhai, a Taiwanese company. The components break down to three major suppliers..

the LCD panel itself is made by Chimei of Taiwan, the engine and chip is made by Sony in Japan, and the plastic and metal casing is made by Foxxcon (a Subsidiary of Honhai) in China. The Mexicans just assemble it, and the reason why its cheaper to make these in Mexico is because with the NAFTA free Trade agreement there no duty to import from Mexico but there is duty to import from China, thus it makes financial sense to produce in Mexico.

[!LittleDragon]

Because China doesn't import anything right? :thumbsup:

No no, they do... What I'm saying is that if it came down to it, they don't have to.

[El Bastardo]

If you are talking about Sony LCD TV, they are ASSEMBLED in Mexico by Honhai, a Taiwanese company. The components break down to three major suppliers..

the LCD panel itself is made by Chimei of Taiwan, the engine and chip is made by Sony in Japan, and the plastic and metal casing is made by Foxxcon (a Subsidiary of Honhai) in China. The Mexicans just assemble it, and the reason why its cheaper to make these in Mexico is because with the NAFTA free Trade agreement there no duty to import from Mexico but there is duty to import from China, thus it makes financial sense to produce in Mexico.



I've never see anyone with China's dick so far down their throat as you, Spoonwork.

[wouwou]

I've never see anyone with China's dick so far down their throat as you, Spoonwork.

you meant SFUdropout

:haha: