[!SG]

Went to doctors today. I got injured upper back, shoulder, chest, left neck and right around the lower rib cage area or as i like to call it the underboob. also got tender lower back, and slight headache, which i hope is just from everything and will eventually go away FAST. i hope =(

went today to see my car with niteraven, and even one of the icbc adjusters that was there, took a quick look at my car and said the A pillar is smoked, the B pillar is twisted, roof is buckled, shock tower is buckled.

i took all my personal belongings best i could. damn i kept a lot of crap in the car.

http://www3.telus.net/SorrGwa/Accident/IMG00054.jpg


I think someone mentioned it, the passenger front curtain saved my face from being cut even more with shattered glass. just that little bit of coveraged helped!

Thanx guys for all your concerns, no i dont need tips or anything on how to deal with icbc personal injury, thats where my lawyers come in.

Im now just worried what icbc will give me for christina, as i really want to buy another GS.

[rsx]

If you have a concussion, no matter how slight it is, make sure you take care of it. Advice from a guy with 2+ concussions.

[DuhDang]

WOW!
Hope you get better. Its been 3yrs and I havent recovered from my accident yet and it was just a lower back injury.
What was the story of the accident?

[raygunpk]

get well soon

[notching]

why do you need a lawyer

[hchang]

why do you need a lawyer

Injuries.


Best of luck dealing with ICBC !SG.
The car was a beauty.

[eurochevy]

why do you need a lawyer

b/c icbc always tries to screw you...i just settled my claim not that long ago myself...had lawyers and it was a good thing that i did because they tried to pin it on me / 50/50 when it was obvious to everyone it wasn't my fault etc so again lawyers ftw

[boatcaptain]

that is a sad picture :(

[saiko]

Hit up a hot tub to relax your muscles.. Epsom salts in your bath etc..etc.. to help with muscle aches and bruises.

link 'bout epsom salts (http://www.care2.com/greenliving/use-epsom-salts-13-wonderful-ways.html)

Also do a lot of stretches so your muscles slowly get its full range of movement back. Chances are it's tense and tightened up due to the shock.

[Durrann]

i wish u the best of recoveries man
take care

[murd0c]

good to hear SG, please keep us updated with what happens!!!

Just rest and take it easy, in the long run it will be better for your body.

[alex.w *//]

have icbc figured out whos at fault yet?

[you!]

so...whats the story on the accident?

[Raid3n]

^ do you live under a rock?

[hchang]

^ do you live under a rock?

Check his Location LOL

[!Aznboi128]

:( hope you get better soon bro, as well make sure you get the best from icbc.

You planning to get the same gen gs? Or one newer?
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[Inaii]

^ do you live under a rock?

The other thread was removed and he may not have seen it before it was.

[Gnomes]

Good luck! Hope the injuries wont develop into chronic.

[El Bastardo]

RIP Christina but we're lucky to still have !SG in operating condition.

[tofu1413]

get well soon dude!

[fishing666]

i recognize this area it's Moscrop and willingdon at BCIT

i hate driving that area so many BCIT guys try to race you around that area.

[!SG]

i got tboned while making a left onto moscrop/deerlake.

i hope and plan on getting another GS. its just such a shame, the car was getting geared up to show again at DTP. i probably wont win, but i was gonna go all VIP (minus the crazy poking wheels) and put on my best foot forward to show her off (with my rabbit faux fur carpeting, champagne flutes, crystal glass bucket, and crystals in all...)

sigh...

this weekend, i was suppose to go to a wedding today/tonite, but i told them i cant go. i cant sit for too long, without getting sore. and i was gonna make the trek out to seattle for golden gardens meet! scratch that now...

sorry, just a little depressed.




im trying to stay mobile, keep walking around the house. i fear is i just sit, and rest like everyone said, i will tense up and really regret it...

doctors visit went ok, doctor was counting up all the nicks and scratches from the glass shattering. my arm would have been worse if i didnt wear my jacket. and my face would ahve been a lot worse if i didnt wear my glasses and if it werent for my curtains blocking that little bit.

[Inaii]

Things make look bad now, but remember, you're alive and you have lots of people who care about you, even those you hardly know! :) Good luck and positive thoughts on your recovery!

[!SG]

hearing too many horror stories about icbc and lowballing on appraisal.

if my back wasnt screwed up enough, now i fear i may have to limp over to a drug store and pick up some lube and be prepared to be ass raped.

im expecting my facial expression when they tell me the outcome of my car, and everything to be something like :eek: followed by :(, then :cry:

[Inaii]

I'm sure with a lawyer it won't be as bad as if you were doing this on your own :)

[!SG]

here is the thing.

the lawyer will handle anything pertaining to personal injuries. im not concerned with the money, or whatever, thats the lawyers concern, mine is i want to be ship shape like i was before this crap happened!

which leaves the car, christina, which the lawyers said straight out, they will not handle that portion, that is purely me. which is what im afraid of. im trying to educate myself best i can.

[Inaii]

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that :( I thought they took care of everything. I'm sure there's lots of people on here that could lend a hand though :) After all, you're our fearless leader :D

[Dinan3]

Wow I'm glad you're ok! Get well soon, good luck with ICBC and hope to see you back at work soon.

[AVS_Racing]

how come the lawyers aren't handling the portion about the car? your paying them aren't u?

[Inaii]

They might be personal injury lawyers only.

[boss604]

Goodluck !

[Volvo-brickster]

i hope and plan on getting another GS. its just such a shame, the car was getting geared up to show again at DTP. i probably wont win, but i was gonna go all VIP (minus the crazy poking wheels) and put on my best foot forward to show her off (with my rabbit faux fur carpeting, champagne flutes, crystal glass bucket, and crystals in all...)


bring it to DTP as is.

100x more unique than a car with TV screens , decals , body kits and stickers.

[!Tigger]

^WTf?

anyways. get well!!!

[bengy]

Hope you have receipts

[J____]

lawyers only deal with personal injuries. If icbc writes it off I'm guessing they're going to offer you $7-8gs. Start gathering info on similiar cars to show them how much they're really worth.

[maxxxboost]

Jesus.
Get better. Cars are replaceable.

[Nvasion]

GL bud

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

lawyers only deal with personal injuries. If icbc writes it off I'm guessing they're going to offer you $7-8gs. Start gathering info on similiar cars to show them how much they're really worth.

probably wont be too high, the milleage, and US import

[shenmecar]

SG, If you bring up enough for sale ads of similar GS300s, ICBC will give you a reasonable amount back.

My uncle's car was involved in a hit and run and was totaled, I spent an afternoon searching what a similar car goes for on CL and other classifieds site, and what he got back was actually more than what he paid for. (his car was transferred to him as a gift from the previous owner)

[AVS_Racing]

last time i heard icbc doesn't care about US import or not they give u the local value

[TomBox_N]

Well, hope u get better soon. Doesn't icbc have a black book or something that has the value of allthe differnt cars.Wouldn't they just give u wut is in that book?
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[TOS'd]

They do have a black book type thing, but they also do check out current used car ads for the exact or similar car and with those prices, along with the book, they determine the value of the car. I know this because I know someone who is an adjuster.

[drunkrussian]

glad ur ok man.

As for the appraisal: My old boss had a rare crossfire with all-AMG insides. When he crashed it and it was a write-off, they completely lowballed him, but he fought and got similar cars and what they were going for and got a much better re-appraisal after that. So my advice is: when they appraise your car and lowball you, don't give up. Fight fight fight until you get a much better price! Pull out all the tricks! And if not, at least you tried...

wish you a speedy recovery

[dinamix]

good to hear your ok...sorry to hear bout your christina..

use some of your revscene profit money and go buy yourself a IS-F
http://www.droidforums.net/gallery/data/516/lexus-ISF-background.jpg

[!SG]

so my parents wanted to see the car today, we drove out to the icbc lot where my car was, and i use the oppurtunity to put back some stock items i removed.

i took a picture of the interior.

http://www3.telus.net/SorrGwa/Accident/DSC01865.JPG

door pushed in against the seat, and shifted my whole dash to one side. the center console is completely screwed as well, but because its a side impact, icbc will be able to salvage the airbags.

the adjuster that was there pretty much said its a write off =~(

i put back my stock deck and a few other stock items for now.

[Shun Izaki]

i recognize this area it's Moscrop and willingdon at BCIT

i hate driving that area so many BCIT guys try to race you around that area.

tee hee, sometimes at night, i see kids around that area... even straight up roll down their windows and yell at you "YOU WANNA RACE?!??!"

here is the thing.

the lawyer will handle anything pertaining to personal injuries. im not concerned with the money, or whatever, thats the lawyers concern, mine is i want to be ship shape like i was before this crap happened!

which leaves the car, christina, which the lawyers said straight out, they will not handle that portion, that is purely me. which is what im afraid of. im trying to educate myself best i can.

get a seperate lawyer for that, if you think the difference between what you would get by yourself, and with a lawyer... my lawyer's taking care of both things for me... got at least 5 lawsutis with ICBC atm anyways...

last time i heard icbc doesn't care about US import or not they give u the local value
They give you the value to REPLACE it. Therefore, it's like... if you had to buy an R32 here, as opposed to an R32 in Japan... they'd give you whatever insane GTR fanboy price it's paid for here...

[skyxx]

from the looks of it. Your wheels look fine. Take those!

[!SG]

3 of my 4 wheels are fine, 1 is dented and not fixable, well it is, but the cost to have it rechromed, straightened, which cant be done locally, will cost more than buying a new wheel.

from the looks of it. Your wheels look fine. Take those!

[Strzelec]

If you want blackbook values go to toyota.ca, and price out a car. When it asks you if you are trading in, say yes and then there should be a button that says appraise my trade in. Actual value of the car should be about +5-10% of the high book value if everything is in good shape. Or you could just google toyota and black book. I always use it when looking to buy used cars
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[skyxx]

Toyota's "Blackbook" value will be "wholesale" price.

[optiblue]

good thing it wasn't JDM!

[CRS]

good thing it wasn't JDM!

Good thing there wasn't a passenger on board.

[Groot]

shotgun is the worst place to be

[shantz]

so my parents wanted to see the car today, we drove out to the icbc lot where my car was, and i use the oppurtunity to put back some stock items i removed.

i took a picture of the interior.

http://www3.telus.net/SorrGwa/Accident/DSC01865.JPG

door pushed in against the seat, and shifted my whole dash to one side. the center console is completely screwed as well, but because its a side impact, icbc will be able to salvage the airbags.

the adjuster that was there pretty much said its a write off =~(

i put back my stock deck and a few other stock items for now.

ICBC actually sent out a memo last week... no more recycled SRS components from any car - year make or model.

The want to avoid any possibilities of future legal issues of putting in recycled airbags in cars should they ever not deploy and result in injury or death from impact.

[Gumby]

use some of your revscene profit money and go buy yourself a IS-F
Ha ha, very funny... :rolleyes:

[you!]

The other thread was removed and he may not have seen it before it was.

ditto.

good luck with icbc dude hope u dont get too screwed over by them

[!SG]

icbc called today. christina is now a write off.

icbc is nice enough to let me tow it to speed syndicate to remove all my modded parts and put whatever stock i can put back on.

[ah_cat]

I know I said it on FB, but sorry to hear about Christina... :(

[Mkhun]

oh..shit.. im sorry to hear abt christina.. :( RIP..

[Senna4ever]

i want to be ship shape like i was before this crap happened!

Unfortunately, it's going to be a long road. My accident was over 4 years ago, and my back still bothers me. Settling with ICBC also took 4 years, even though I was not at fault.:mad:

[Meowjin]

i just sued icbc. I'm probably goign to go to discovery.

[EmOne]

They are usually pretty fair. The only people that gets shafted are the ones with a lot of mods.
They gave me way more for my soarer than what I originally paid.

[Marco911]

^^The only cases where ICBC actually help if you drive a car that is in shittier condition than average. In EmOne's case, they offered market value for an avg. condition car and he came out ahead. Since Christina appears to be in great condition, you need to show to them, why you feel you need to get an above average value for your car. You need to be realistic. They don't give a shit about the mods you've done, so you should replace all the resaleable parts you can salvage off with OEM parts while the car still belongs to you. If you can find another GS300/400 that you want to replace it with, you can also point it out to them and show them how much it will cost you to replace your car. Personally, I would go for something else other than a GS, like an E-class.

[Death2Theft]

Not if he wants a reliable daily driver he doesn't.

[Strzelec]

Real sad to hear that things gonna be a write off, but after the damage that thing had to it, i probably wouldnt trust its integrity in another impact, especially if its a big one. Cant wait to see what you will do with the next car

[marc0lishuz]

doctors visit went ok, doctor was counting up all the nicks and scratches from the glass shattering. my arm would have been worse if i didnt wear my jacket. and my face would ahve been a lot worse if i didnt wear my glasses and if it werent for my curtains blocking that little bit.
Illegal as they may be, tints on the front windows would have prevented flying shards of glass. I'm not saying everyone get their windows tinted, but just pointing out that something that's against the law here in BC may also prevent injuries such as the ones you described.

Get well soon.

[bloodmack]

Well, that looks like a write off, do you have all your reciepts and what not for the work done to the car? If so you should get it back + what is claimed for the cars worth.
But, on the bright side, your still alive and now you have a chance to get a new car and improve upon it further.

marc0, it depends on the quality of the tint as well.

[xpl0sive]

that looks like my accident, I just settled with them on the car last week. Happened begining of February. I got t-boned on the driver side by some chinese guy not paying attention and running a stop sign.
I had all my windows tinted, which saved my eyes and face from getting all cut up. the cops that showed up even commented that it was a GOOD thing i had my windows tinted and didnt hassle me for it.
ICBC screwed me over on a few things on the car, but my lawyer faught for me. First of all, one of my rims was damaged as well, and that made the whole set worthless, since they were custom powdercoated. ICBC said that my car came with wheels that were originally $600/piece, and my aftermarket wheels are worth about that, so I'm not losing anything on that. Also, i had the timing belt service done on my car 2 weeks before the accident. Had a receipt for $1300 i sent them. They called it regular maintenance and told me to go away.... So i'm going after them for all the injuries I have and not going to settle till the last drop. I'm hoping to recover the money I lost from them lowballing me...


in this picture you can actually see that both the front window and the back window stayed completely intact from the tint... I knocked the front window out with my head which gave me a pretty good concussion...
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3397/tbone.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/tbone.jpg/)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9360/img1472k.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/img1472k.jpg/)

[!LittleDragon]

last time i heard icbc doesn't care about US import or not they give u the local value

When I wrote off my CDN spec MR2 back in 2004, I managed to squeeze $16k from ICBC. They'll always try to lowball you at first, my first offer was $3k. I took that $16k and bought a US spec from California for $7k. 6 months ago, I was rear ended, about $5k worth of damage, I thought it was a write off and with that much damage, I was hoping it was. ICBC wouldn't budge and fixed it because they said it was worth $10k so it wasn't enough for a write off. Now I'm stuck with a POS that looks fine but runs like crap.

ICBC does give you fair value for imported cars.

[ate.ge]

@xpl0sive you okay now?
@!SG get well soon.. by the way things look, your new gs will look pretty much like Christina right?

[tonyvu]

shit man, glad to hear your okay bro...

[BorLorBao]

eh sigh

[13spoons]

no quick fix with this
wait for the 3rd offer and sorry about the car

[Jin]

hey man, sorry to hear about your car again. at the end of the day today, its a night and day difference. I hope you get everything sorted out with ICBC!

[sleazyho]

shit that is shitty. best thing is that youre okay though
get a real good lawyer and take every penny you can
GL

[Derek128]

3 of my 4 wheels are fine, 1 is dented and not fixable, well it is, but the cost to have it rechromed, straightened, which cant be done locally, will cost more than buying a new wheel.

in ICBC eyes a car must have wheels (stock one or better one)
put the stock rims back on
& let your adjustor know that 1 of ur rims/tires are damaged due to the accident & how mush it is gonna cost to get a replacement

I did that 2years ago when ICBC wrote off my 94 Accord EXR
they added $3~400 on top of the car valve

ICBC will cover any aftermartket stuff that was on the car got damaged during the accident

my fd claimed back his Mugen oil pan by doing that

[Marco911]

I fail to see how tinted windows are safer. If keeping the glass intact is so important, manufacturers would place a clear film to do so. Fact is, safety glass that breaks into tiny pieces is much safer.

[xpl0sive]

no you just fail... how is it better to have a million glass particles stuck in your face than have the glass safely fall out in one piece?

[Manic!]

I fail to see how tinted windows are safer. If keeping the glass intact is so important, manufacturers would place a clear film to do so. Fact is, safety glass that breaks into tiny pieces is much safer.

All glass on cars is laminated from the factory.

[!SG]

so my wednesday and thursday.

wednesday after work, i go to my physio, only to have the receptionist tell me that icbc has rejected my physio sessions (1 prior to yesterdays visit). they tell me that i must go see my adjuster first

i go WTF?!, call up my lawyer, he goes WTF?! and tells me to go ahead with physio, and they will call icbc immediately.

Like seriously WTF?! my car is a write off, i had a bleeding hand, visible cuts to my hand and the side of my head. and they think i dont need physio and need approval for it?!

my lawyer calls back saying to go ahead with physio, icbc probably did not get the papers yet, or hasnt processed them yet.

Come today, i visited my lawyers and kept them up to date, its officially 1 week since i got hit. i feel worse, and all the chiro, doctor visits, physio, making me work around my work schedule, and take time off, which i had to today to meet with every one on the list. chiropractor said my spine and back is fuxor. my upper back has compressed spine, and so he's doing a bunch of things to loosen it and have it less tense. all the adjustsments are working BUT bodies reaction is to have it swell up, so after a few hours, i start feeling like shit, real shit again.

the only good out of this, icbc let me tow my car (at my expense) to http://www.thespeedsyndicate.com/ to have it return to stock before i give it back to them. My adjuster/estimater told me my car was written off, i managed to get the car towed to speed syndicate on tuesday afternoon, and they started working on it wednesday, and today, and i was ready to tow it back to icbc, but the towing company says they cant do that without icbc calling it in. by the time i get all that sorted out, its alreayd past 5:30. i feel bad im taking up hoist time.

Anyhow, im just getting fustrated with seeing all these doctors, not being able to do my regular duty, walking around with a hunched back, sore all over. Im fucking depressed cuz i missed out on my friends wedding, which i was looking so forward to going, missed out on golden gardens meet AGAIN and seattle trip, missing out on the autoshow cuz i cant stand around or sit for too long and having to look at my wrecked car for 2 days straight as i see everyone else working on it, and i cant because im fucking injured!

arggggg!!!! =~(, not a good year at all...

[!Aznboi128]

^ man that sucks.... I feel for you

so did ICBC say who's at fault? or they doing it 50/50?

[mugentsx]

so my wednesday and thursday.

wednesday after work, i go to my physio, only to have the receptionist tell me that icbc has rejected my physio sessions (1 prior to yesterdays visit). they tell me that i must go see my adjuster first

i go WTF?!, call up my lawyer, he goes WTF?! and tells me to go ahead with physio, and they will call icbc immediately.

Like seriously WTF?! my car is a write off, i had a bleeding hand, visible cuts to my hand and the side of my head. and they think i dont need physio and need approval for it?!

my lawyer calls back saying to go ahead with physio, icbc probably did not get the papers yet, or hasnt processed them yet.

Come today, i visited my lawyers and kept them up to date, its officially 1 week since i got hit. i feel worse, and all the chiro, doctor visits, physio, making me work around my work schedule, and take time off, which i had to today to meet with every one on the list. chiropractor said my spine and back is fuxor. my upper back has compressed spine, and so he's doing a bunch of things to loosen it and have it less tense. all the adjustsments are working BUT bodies reaction is to have it swell up, so after a few hours, i start feeling like shit, real shit again.

the only good out of this, icbc let me tow my car (at my expense) to http://www.thespeedsyndicate.com/ to have it return to stock before i give it back to them. My adjuster/estimater told me my car was written off, i managed to get the car towed to speed syndicate on tuesday afternoon, and they started working on it wednesday, and today, and i was ready to tow it back to icbc, but the towing company says they cant do that without icbc calling it in. by the time i get all that sorted out, its alreayd past 5:30. i feel bad im taking up hoist time.

Anyhow, im just getting fustrated with seeing all these doctors, not being able to do my regular duty, walking around with a hunched back, sore all over. Im fucking depressed cuz i missed out on my friends wedding, which i was looking so forward to going, missed out on golden gardens meet AGAIN and seattle trip, missing out on the autoshow cuz i cant stand around or sit for too long and having to look at my wrecked car for 2 days straight as i see everyone else working on it, and i cant because im fucking injured!

arggggg!!!! =~(, not a good year at all...

did icbc deem you at fault or the tacoma driver?

[!SG]

icbc has not gotten that far.

my car was written off, but the appraisal has not happened yet as they are giving me the chance to put everything back to stock first. i believe they did a brief appraisal, and i have not gone in to see them with receipts yet. the will re appraise the cars value AFTER i have it towed back.

i tried to have it towed back yesterday but they close at 5:30 and im not exactly speedy right now going around town everywhere to make my chiro, physio, doctors appointments. i cant even sit down for more than a few minutes without shifting my weight or moving to another seating position cuz i feel pain through my body. i cant even sit or stand up straight, im walking around hunched over like caveman.

[Marco911]

no you just fail... how is it better to have a million glass particles stuck in your face than have the glass safely fall out in one piece?

1)Having minor lacerative injuries from safety glass is much preferrable than getting a concussion from hitting the window with your head and not having it shatter. You said yourself you ended up with a concussion.

2) If you are in a collision and your doors do not open, you can break a side window and crawl out the car to escape a fire, or if the car is submerged. It is much more difficult to do with tinted side windows.

[Marco911]

All glass on cars is laminated from the factory.

Not true. Windshields are laminated to prevent rocks etc, from penetrating and entering the car. Side windows are usually tempered for strength and to break into small pieces which minimizes injuries.

[Raid3n]

Think of it this way, !SG, with this kind of a start to the year, it can only get better.

[MWR34]

rebirth? http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/1663455969.html

or a few more:
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pml/cto/1648332866.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/1669293266.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/1657550936.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/cto/1652846368.html
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/1649376089.html

[alex.w *//]

yea but the gs400 dont have 2jz engine?
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[CorneringArtist]

yea but the gs400 dont have 2jz engine?
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Nope. I think it's the 1UZ V8, same one in the older LS400's. GS300 I think has the 2JZ.

[SpuGen]

SG's GS is the GS300.

The "300"s are the 2JZ
The "400"s are the 1UZ
The "430"s are the 3UZ
The "470"s are the 2UZ

Both the 2JZ and the 1UZ had VVT-i for cars made 97+
Random tidbit: The Early gen 1UZ is actually stronger than the later gen 1UZ, if you're building for big power on a stock block. The VVT-i engines made quite a bit more power and was better all around.

[DC5-S]

What car will you buy next?

[no_clue]

Think of it this way, !SG, with this kind of a start to the year, it can only get better.

actually it can get worse if ICBC decides to lol and lowball him and he spends the next 2 years in a fierce legal battle. :)

[Senna4ever]

actually it can get worse if ICBC decides to lol and lowball him and he spends the next 2 years in a fierce legal battle. :)

2 years? I was embroiled in a 4 year fight, and ICBC had deemed me not at fault. :(

[411ken]

Get well soon! Just take your time and make sure you are 100%

How is everyone's experience with ICBC? with your lawyer of course and how long does it usually take to settle... j

[!SG]

so after paying out of my own pocket to have my car towed and put back to stock for them, this is the thanx i got from icbc today.

without, yes, WITHOUT EVEN ASKING FOR RECEIPTS, he based judgement on my car for the value of $6000.00. this meaning in the matter of 2 1/2 years, icbc has judged that i lost 2/3s of the cars value.

here is the best part, no where online can you even find a price low enough to purchase another 99 gs300 at that low offer.

so fucking pissed right now. they didnt even offer to look at receipts! not even 1!!! even though before they estimated my christina's value, they said for me to bring my receipts! now the estimater adjuster doesnt even want to see me. just keeps asking for me to fax over anything. doesnt want to see any of the documentation, receipts, records on christina!



arggg!!!!!

[fliptuner]

So you think you'll go private after all this shit?

Sounds like the adjuster is not only an asshole but a coward too.

[CorneringArtist]

Dick move on the adjuster's part. Piss poor practice on him by hiding behind his phone.

"Fax anything over" means "Fuck you, it's all going in the trash, no matter what you say this car is worth."

What were you hoping to get out of it?

[shenmecar]

Hell no a GS is not worth 6000!

[fetched]

I'm under the assumption that if your at 100% fault. ICBC only covers a portion of your massage/chiro sessions, and the coverage goes lower and lower the more you go, meaning you won't receive a payout cheque for anything other than the 20-30% that they cover. They also won't cover your missed work either because your at fault, am i correct? I'm not saying your at fault, just a simple question.
Good luck with everything.

[!SG]

ive done my research online, and printed out every GS, low and high.

im not expecting a miracle, but im asking for fairness. im asking for the amount that it would cost me to get into another GS of same year, make and model.

but this was just, so fucking low ball. its not even funny.

[jdmhaze]

holy lowballer batman, 6000........WTF

[!Aznboi128]

6k? no way, GS around that year I've seen is all around the 15k mark to find a decent one 6k is stupid!

[JSALES]

wow, that's bullshit. no way in hell are you gonna be able to buy a GS for 6K

[Qmx323]

that guy is fucking tripping 6k can barely even get you a 1st gen GS300

[fishing666]

fucking icbc lowballing fucks.

i think you've paid more in insurance over ur lifetime of driving than what icbc offers you for that car. i took a look at some prices and i saw 15-20k for gs400 so you should fight until you get at least 14k no less than that.

[slammer111]

2) If you are in a collision and your doors do not open, you can break a side window and crawl out the car to escape a fire, or if the car is submerged. It is much more difficult to do with tinted side windows.I read somewhere that actually the easiest window to kick out is the WINDSHIELD, because it doesn't sit inside guide rails and is simply glued into place. Supposedly the force required to kick it out is considerably less than shattering a side window, though I can't say I've ever tried. ;)

Of course ICBC is going to lowball. Hate to say it, but it's the adjuster's job to save ICBC money. Of course, most Average Joes will accept without thinking twice. Good thing you did your homework!

[Death2Theft]

Anyone dealt with private insurance and payouts? Experiences?

[!SG]

that was beyond lowball though.

i faxed over 25 pages worth of my bill of sale, service record, receipts and invoices, and other ads via autotrader/craigslist of 98-00 lexus gs300s.

im not asking for a crazy pay out, all im asking for is a fair amount that will get me back into another GS, simple as that.

[xpl0sive]

I'm under the assumption that if your at 100% fault. ICBC only covers a portion of your massage/chiro sessions, and the coverage goes lower and lower the more you go, meaning you won't receive a payout cheque for anything other than the 20-30% that they cover. They also won't cover your missed work either because your at fault, am i correct? I'm not saying your at fault, just a simple question.
Good luck with everything.

everyone gets accident benefits, it's called a "no-fault" coverage, meaning that they will pay for your treatments, at their rates, for as long as you need until you reach the limit of $100k. For example, ICBC covers $27 for chiro under accident benefits. Usually chiro charges about $50. so you pay $33 and ICBC pays $27. If you are at fault, you can either eat the $33 or submit it to your extended health provider for reimbursement, most have up to $500 coverage for chiro. If you are not at fault, you save all your receipts, and they become a part of your tort claim. This is where you are looking to get paid for pain and suffering, loss of wages, your medical expenses and any other expenses you incurred as a result of the accident.

[Raid3n]

that was beyond lowball though.

i faxed over 25 pages worth of my bill of sale, service record, receipts and invoices, and other ads via autotrader/craigslist of 98-00 lexus gs300s.

im not asking for a crazy pay out, all im asking for is a fair amount that will get me back into another GS, simple as that.

if your adjuster refuses to talk to you, either call in or go in in person and talk to their supervisor.

[l2_narain]

ive done my research online, and printed out every GS, low and high.

im not expecting a miracle, but im asking for fairness. im asking for the amount that it would cost me to get into another GS of same year, make and model.

but this was just, so fucking low ball. its not even funny.

I think you already know this, but print and fax ads similar to your car with the highest bid similar to your make, year, model, and kms. CL, autotrader, buysell (doesn't matter if they are the same company; Let them figure that out, just don't duplicate the same car ad)

[!Aznboi128]

read above he already did

[l2_narain]

ah touche..!

[bcedhk]

6k? lawlz , thats like a Lowball offer only seen on Revscene F/S cars.

just keep battling, ICBC are dicks, but just keep annoying them and you probably can get some results.

[hk20000]

damn my Galant was repaired for 6k.... How is this new model GS worth less than my 15 yr/old Galant?

[flagella]

wow.... need a riot with icbc

[keitaro]

icbc = the devil :mad:

if we don't pay them, it's then illegal to drive our vehicles. When we need them, they don't give a rats ass about you. In SG's case, they ignore and low ball him....

[!e.lo_]

$6000... that's... wow... fuck

My accident settlement went through last week.
Hired a lawyer of course.
Average is 1.5 years, but mine took 5 months.
Pretty pleased with that.

Hoping the best for you man. Battle those sons of bitches known as icbc

[Marco911]

that was beyond lowball though.

i faxed over 25 pages worth of my bill of sale, service record, receipts and invoices, and other ads via autotrader/craigslist of 98-00 lexus gs300s.

im not asking for a crazy pay out, all im asking for is a fair amount that will get me back into another GS, simple as that.

Dude, it is ICBC's job to lowball, and your job to get the best value for your car without getting emotional.

Stay calm and rational. You are trying to get a fair value for your car, and this is what ICBC wants as well. ICBC will pay you MARKET value for your car, including installed options and extras, not what you spent on it, minus depreciation.

Do not reject any offer outright, even if you know it is low, because that shows that you are not trying to be reasonable. Come prepared with a min. value you have in mind, with a range of acceptable offers.

Tell the adjuster, "$6000 might be fair, but I'd like to establish how you determined my car's value at $6000?"

Let the adjustor explain. If you have done your research well, and looked at wholesale/retail values for low/mid/good condition GS, you'd know where the fair value is and what condition your car is in. If the adjustor is lowballing you, he won't be able to explain the $6K.

Next, agree on a fair standard of determining value. State that you would expect a fair market value on your vehicle and see if he agrees with this. (He will).

Now is the time that you show evidence of what you think the market value is based on your research. This establishes the range of market values from low to high. Let him present any data to establish the market value he has.

Once the range has been established, explain why you think Christina deserves to be valued in "good/excellent" condition. Options, mileage, condition, etc (this is where you show your receipts.)

If you use the above method, I can guarantee you are going to get a significantly better offer than the first offer from ICBC.

I think I deserve a bigger avatar for this post. ;)

[TheKingdom2000]

i actually enjoy the updates.
keep them coming SG!

ICBC is a piece of @#%^, but you and everyone else here knew that.
goodluck

[!SG]

i still have to wait n see. im asking for a fair amount for christina. enough to get me into another GS of same year. i am expecting to lose a little, especially if it means when i get another GS, ill be spending all the same money i spent on christina (my previous GS) to have all her fluids changed, belts, and those annoying front lower ball joints (which i also replaced on christina). She was well maintained, anyone knows im OCD with her maintenance!

im just still in utter shock at the price they appraised her at, its a slap in the face. even when the estimater was going thru his "research" of other gs's, he kept mentioning this gs from blue star motors going for 9-10g's. I dont know how that car was treated? if thats the one he is basing it on, then how does he expect me to get into another gs with the 6g's he appraised for me?! The reason why i choose my christina, amongst all the others around are because of its long and lengthy service record. The car was services almost 99% of its life, prior to me taking ownership, at a Lexus of Las Vegas dealership. I have all the records stamped, and as a bonus, include the original Sticker window price for Christina. When you have a track record like that, and it being serviced at a lexus dealership, you cant really go too wrong. even prior to buying her, i called the dealership up and got a copy of the service records on top of the carfax done on her. I searched for a good 6 months before i decided on her.

its like telling me my lexus is nothing more than a toyota thus the pricing is of a toyota, yet icbc charges me a premium because its classified as a lexus, and not just another toyota, and thus can charge me higher for insurance!

ive been driving since i was 16, at full coverage, full discount, roadstar plus, 43% maxed out discount, zero at fault accidents, and thats the slap in the face i got from icbc.

[SpuGen]

I would just talk to the adjuster's supervisor.

And the front lower ball joints are so retarded on the GS/SC.
I've yet to replace mine since it's gonna cost a hefty $500+
I just torqued mine down lol

[!SG]

$500?! you are getting ripped! i got my 2, brand new lexus for like $150 USD. just shop around, plenty of online lexus dealers.

I would just talk to the adjuster's supervisor.

And the front lower ball joints are so retarded on the GS/SC.
I've yet to replace mine since it's gonna cost a hefty $500+
I just torqued mine down lol

[godwin]

However we all know control arms etc are maintenance items. Those things are wear and tear.

[bensta]

Just another reason to hate on ICBC. They always try to play the good guys, but fuck you hard when you are trying to be fair.

Good luck with your battle SG.

[goo3]

marco's right, negotiations is a game. They're just playing it. Their job is to rip you off and yours needs to be to rip them off (and meet in the middle).

I remember I used to get mad at car salesmen - then I took some negotiations training @ work and it all made sense after that.

[!SG]

its been a while since i updated this thread, but there is very good reason as to why.

right after telling me that my Christina was only valued at $6000, i asked the adjuster how he came up to that conclusion. he told me he based the cars value on age, milage, and current value of local listed cars. i then faxed him over 25 pages of all my maintenance (everything from day one of the cars life, and including all the maintenance i did after attaining Christina). in the fax was also all receipts, and including my original bill of sale. i sent a 2nd copy via email.

a few days pass by, and i decide to call my adjuster and left him a voice mail to see if he got my papers and if i can come in person to go over how the value of my car was processed.

April 24th, i finally get a phone call back with an updated amount of $9600. he said that after reviewing the papers i sent, they value my car as well maintained, and thus made for the adjustment. the adjuster kept asking me to go check out the cars, specifically bluestar motors. i then faxed over the research i attained to replace that 1 wheel, 1 suspension, jdm visors, and jdm side marker.

a few days later i called again and left another voice mail to see if he got my papers. got voice mail again.

I did as he asked, i went to bluestar motors, called metrolexusvictoria, and even went to see luxor motors. I will say that bluestar motors is very straight up and honest when i got there. and gave me the oppurtunity to do a ICBC vehicle damage inquiry on it. Metrolexusvictoria was equally nice to chat with on the phone, and was straight up saying there was a glass claim on it. Luxor motors, well u can do the google search on them.

I called again yesterday, friday, and left another voicemail explaining the findings i found.

today i call and just happen to get a hold of him. i told him of my findings, if he got my faxes. He chuckled saying "ohh which ones, the first, 2nd, or 3rd fax?" like seriously. im spending the time, and money to have the car towed to and from icbc, and the icbc damage inquiry's $15 bucks a pop, all to get this attitude like im some chump? Then he gives me more excuses saying my car was from the states, old, old cars all have claims on them. Guess what, MY CHRISTINA DIDNT HAVE 1 SINGLE CLAIM ON HER! clean title, full documentation.

Ive been nice and firm to them, but this attitude and dicking around has really started to piss me off. Ive been seeing chiro and physio daily, ive had to take time off, and switch shifts with a coworker so i can go to chiro and physio without taking any more time off. and im doing all this research, paying all these stupid fees, all the leg work for ICBC. Why is he so afraid to see me in person, seriously, am i that intimidating!?!

So what now? ive called and left a voicemail with his manager MD. i will call again on monday and hopefully be able to set up and appointment to go see him. All i ask is to have the adjuster do his job at researching, get me in another GS of same caliber, and to go over how they attained the value of my car. its not asking for much, im just asking for an explanation.

[hchang]

They low balled me too a while back dude.

Just keep playing hard and see where that takes you. If you don't let the case go I don't think they can close the case.

Congrats on getting at least 9600 though : )

[!SG]

that amount cant even get me into another 99 GS, id have to get a 98, and take one that is salvaged

thats the thing, im being very fair in my asking price from looking around at other gs's around town, and in seattle. and that is the amount im asking for.

sigh, dealing with icbc is making my back tense up.


They low balled me too a while back dude.

Just keep playing hard and see where that takes you. If you don't let the case go I don't think they can close the case.

Congrats on getting at least 9600 though : )

[Lowered_Klass]

that amount cant even get me into another 99 GS, id have to get a 98, and take one that is salvaged

thats the thing, im being very fair in my asking price from looking around at other gs's around town, and in seattle. and that is the amount im asking for.

sigh, dealing with icbc is making my back tense up.


I feel for you, I really do. Nothing is worse than paying ICBC all this money over the years for insurance, only for them to kick you when you're down. It's just not fair. Especially in your case. It's also not fair that in order to try and get more money from ICBC, that we have to run around and do all the hard research for them. It's just not right that people have to shoulder this kind of stress and worry, when we should really just be worrying about get better from the injuries. Good luck, and stay strong! :thumbsup:

[LiquidTurbo]

Keep on doing what your doing. Someone needs to press back.

[Phil@rise]

shitty deal! Why are you still working tho? You should be taking med leave and ICBC can cover your lost wages med expenses, everything. Thats how you stick it to them the fuckers cant appreciate the fact that you aren't sticking them with that and then they give you grief over your cars value. You didn't ask to get hit.

[chun]

I didn't read the entire thread but get a lawyer.

You vs ICBC = losing battle.

[twitchyzero]

sounds like your car was a US import? i'm surprised they would factor in similar GS from US into their research

[gabbergabber]

Sorry to hear, hope all is well to you!

[hk20000]

If that's US import then 9600 is quite a lot actually. Look at how much it is in the States for a 96-99GS

Pacific NW
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1718648265.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1717536465.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1718647806.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1713224628.html

Dirty South
http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/1719851437.html
http://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/1679026447.html

If it's from US then they have every right to pay you what the car is worth down south. I'm pretty sure it's a policy that they are not going to pay out for importation costs because you decided to do that knowing thoroughly how dinged you will be at resale hence insurance coverage. Like they only pay out a portion for Japanese imports now too because they decided that the vehicle is actually worth a lot less than what most people are asking for those cars.... I wouldn't be surprised if they'd put the same line of reason to your car simply because it's a US import.

[!SG]

my car is a us import. zero claims and damages, fully serviced by rancho lexus of las vegas up to the day i purchased. fully maintained at advance motorsports by me and under watchful eye of ken. audio and electronics done by soundsgood auto and soundworks. there is a reason why it took me 6 months to buy a gs, i spent the time to filter and research ones available, and settled on this one as it had the best track record.


1st generation GS started 94-97, 2nd generation started 98-05 so thats probably why ur search was giving u such bogus prices.
the ones you found, i found already, and have run carfax on the cars (as carproof costs 65 bucks a pop). one has a rebuilt title right there, while others have claimed accidents on.

unfortunately icbc doesnt cover the cost of importing. however its their job to view year make model condition and milage of the car, base their amount on that. the adjuster even said my car was very well maintained, yet gave me a quote that would not be able to get me into an equal GS locally.


If that's US import then 9600 is quite a lot actually. Look at how much it is in the States for a 96-99GS

Pacific NW
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1718648265.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1717536465.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1718647806.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1713224628.html

Dirty South
http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/1719851437.html
http://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/1679026447.html

If it's from US then they have every right to pay you what the car is worth down south. I'm pretty sure it's a policy that they are not going to pay out for importation costs because you decided to do that knowing thoroughly how dinged you will be at resale hence insurance coverage. Like they only pay out a portion for Japanese imports now too because they decided that the vehicle is actually worth a lot less than what most people are asking for those cars.... I wouldn't be surprised if they'd put the same line of reason to your car simply because it's a US import.

[!SG]

read up on icbc policy. the pay out is based on what it would cost you to replace the vehicle by an equal in the market. icbc cannot account for ppl with good vehicle bargaining skills as also to idiots tha grossly overpay for a vehicle. even with that said, always do ur research. if the car is dirt cheap in the states, there is a reason, either major accident, or rebuilt salvage. my christina was neither.

sounds like your car was a US import? i'm surprised they would factor in similar GS from US into their research

[!SG]

i have lawyers handling the personal injury side.

however the cost of replacement of vehicle has to be done thru myself.

I didn't read the entire thread but get a lawyer.

You vs ICBC = losing battle.

[k3lv]

hey shoei its Kelvin(red 06 turbo lancer),

Horrible to hear this incident happened. Just want to wish you well in recovery and all your ICBC bs. Hope to see you around with perfect health next time.

K