[iPee]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+police+interview+mother+after+death+seco nd+baby+year/2749618/story.html

pretty sickening it was the same home that somebody found a dead baby wrapped in a bag last summer

[StylinRed]

she probably just considers it an abortion

friend lives on the same street as her and says they're pretty weird (but she probably only says that because of the news)

[vafanculo]

Burn her at the stake
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[Kim Jong Un]

why the fuckk? what a dumb fucking cunt! if she doesn't want the baby she could of just leave him at the hospital let someone else take care of the baby.

[tacobell]

wtf is wrong with her? twice, come on

[flagella]

lmao at all the removed comments down the page. I'm sure everyone was cursing this woman to death, which I deem appropriate.

[Vansterdam]

thats FUCKEd up

[Gnomes]

Some people are not allowed to give birth.

[iPee]

home birth

[underscore]

pretty fucked, but from the sounds of it all they have so far is that someone called in saying they haven't seen a baby in a while? presumably someone would have noticed that she was pregnant if she was getting help for killing her baby a year ago...

[StylinRed]

Some people are not allowed to give birth.

that's what she was thinking

[MTV Cribs]

Someone here got to know who she is. In the newspaper they say she is 20 year old Sarah Leung and she probably went to Templeton Secondary since they live close to there. Let's see some pictures :-D
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[MWR34]

Someone here got to know who she is. In the newspaper they say she is 20 year old Sarah Leung and she probably went to Templeton Secondary since they live close to there. Let's see some pictures :-D
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*waits for facebook stalkers to chime in*

[PinoyDrifta]

she should b hung i tell ya...lynch her now!!! hahaha

[dinamix]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/61721--update-charges-laid-in-deaths-of-two-babies-in-east-vancouver

[CRS]

Someone here got to know who she is. In the newspaper they say she is 20 year old Sarah Leung and she probably went to Templeton Secondary since they live close to there. Let's see some pictures :-D
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Apparently she is 24.

I'm surprised the news haven't received a pic of her just yet.

[fliptuner]

Someone shoot her in the fucking cunt........twice!!!

[maxxxboost]

HUm..... sooo close to home.

[PiuYi]

the father isn't involved in any way?? wtf man his own 2 kids got murdered by the same woman!!! how did he not stop this??

[hotjoint]

wow this is very sad

[Gumby]

FUCK. :flamemad:

[LiquidTurbo]

This bitch makes 'dead baby' jokes not so funny anymore.

[124Y]

That's just sad... :(

[Vansterdam]

wow 2 in 2 years.. somebodys fucked in the head

at least get a proper LEGAL abortion if ur gonna go do shit like this

i donno how they gonna charge her with another 2nd degree murder when they havent found the 2nd dead baby yet

[Ch28]

Sarah Jee Wah Leung, 24

That makes her grad of '04

Somebody on here has to know who this psycho is

[PiuYi]

^ maybe she just moved here a few yrs ago

[fuku]

she went to the same high school as me.....templeton, she gradded in 03. she was kind of a tomboy but never expected her to turn out like this...

[SumAznGuy]

Can't say too much.
Case has been sealed for now, in other words a temporary ban on new info.

All I can say is this shit is the real CSI.

[sonick]

she went to the same high school as me.....templeton, she gradded in 03. she was kind of a tomboy but never expected her to turn out like this...

More info pls.

[jpark]

this is 2 sad :cry:

[TRD Rs200]

SHES FUCKED UP!

[Honyoung]

somebody should sew her fucking cunt shut

[woob]

Jesus...... who does this. There's a fucking adoption option for a reason.

[LsquareD]

She's got the same last name as me.

Not cool at all.

[SpuGen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw

Too soon?
Bitch is craaaaazy

[FatalCloud]

what i don't get is how could she have concealed both pregnancies from her parents/family and her 'boyfriend'.

[EmOne]

yup, went to the same highschool as her


apparently her cousin is Bernice, the actress from HK

[hchang]

Some people are not allowed to give birth.

This is what happens when we let stupid people have sex.

Some people should just not be allowed to have sex.

[sonick]

Chatting to an acquaintence right now who knew Sarah since elementary, says this is totally out of her character and she was completely normal since she knew her.

Crazy stuff.

[shawn79]

Studies were correct i suppose... nerdy girls are freaky in bed

[ziggyx]

Jesus...... who does this. There's a fucking adoption option for a reason.

I know she could have done abortion or even once she had that baby, there is that angel cradle program in Vancouver that just started recently. You can just drop off your baby at St Paul's hospital (not sure if other hospitals do it) in a cradle and walk off without being questioned.

[Gumby]

Studies were correct i suppose... nerdy girls are freaky in bed
Freaky in bed doesn't mean being stupid when it comes to getting pregnant, having a kid, a throwing it out like yesterday's trash though.

[shawn79]

Bernice Liu, her actress cousinfrom hk?
http://csos.movieset.com/download/movieset/o/b/2009-06/bernice.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernice_Liu

[7seven]

Apparently she is 24.

I'm surprised the news haven't received a pic of her just yet.

This is the pic that CTV news showed yesterday

http://i48.tinypic.com/24qttf8.jpg

[jerche]

There's a sketched picture of her in the province this morning. She goes to Templeton, born in Sept, 1985.

[twitchyzero]

she deserves to be buried alive

[Greenstoner]

i was reading this on paper this morning. i was asking myself how come the husband didnt do anything with regards of his 1st son. Let alone even have plan to have 2nd baby ?

This is sad, real sad Michael Jackson.

[sonick]

Obviously she wasn't married.

[EmOne]

Bernice Liu, her actress cousinfrom hk?
http://csos.movieset.com/download/movieset/o/b/2009-06/bernice.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernice_Liu


yup, thats her cousin from her mom's side

i think 3 brothers, and the mom is only daughter

my gf told me this, and i was really shocked

quite a big family they have

[Gt-R R34]

woah damn....anyone got a more clear picture?

Wonder if there is any "emotional" stress from parents to boot.

[SumAznGuy]

Obviously she wasn't married.

Hasn't been officially mentioned in the news yet.
Let's just say this whole thing is messed up. Not one bit of it is normal by any means.

[Veleno]

woah damn....anyone got a more clear picture?

Wonder if there is any "emotional" stress from parents to boot.

http://www.canadameet.com/uploads/allimg/100603/0614515Q5-0.jpg

From this Chinese-media article that has some more detail than what's been reported elsewhere so far.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canadameet.com%2Fnews %2Fcanada%2F2010%2F0603%2F25039.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

[StylinRed]

it's very likely that she won't be able to get away with the "postpartum depression" defense

[AzNightmare]

why wasn't she charged the first time?

[Roach]

Judging from the picture, she doesn't look extremely overweight or anything. I've heard of some overweight women being able to conceal their pregnancy but how could she conceal her pregnancy? From her parents? bf?

I think that the family must somehow be involved in what happened.

Kev

[Elements604]

I went to the same elementary school. She didnt seem like the killer type.

Anyone know how much time shes probably facing?

[unfathomable]

Went to the same elementary and high school as her. I dont really remember her much, but she was pretty quiet. It's really unexpected for this type of incident to be related to her (as with anyone, I suppose) but I remember that she used to like little kids.

Friends and I have been talking and a few of my friends have seen her around the time that they claim the second baby was born (+/- 1 month of declared birth date), and none of us could tell that she was pregnant. Friends claim that she was happy and cuddling with her bf? Very, very sad. :(

[miss_crayon]

Wtf?!?! Hope this bitch dies if she really did kill these 2 babies. The world is so fucking cruel. There are people out there in the world that want to produce..but can't. Then you got these psycho bitches who has all the luck in the world to have kids..and does something like this. UGHHH!!!!
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[slammer111]

Went to the same elementary and high school as her. I dont really remember her much, but she was pretty quiet.Damn, why do the quiet ones have do all the crazy stuff!? :cry:

[Doubl3_H]

The mom said that she was the one that called the cops the second time, because the second baby was born and was living for a week. Sarah was at home babysitting the baby, but one day the mom came home and found out that the baby and sarah was both missing. Thats when she called the cops. Apparently Sarah dumped the baby in the delta landfill.

So I guess it had nothing at all to do with the parents, the parents wanted to keep the kid. Sarah turned psycho.

[Anjew]

The mom said that she was the one that called the cops the second time, because the second baby was born and was living for a week. Sarah was at home babysitting the baby, but one day the mom came home and found out that the baby and sarah was both missing. Thats when she called the cops. Apparently Sarah dumped the baby in the delta landfill.

So I guess it had nothing at all to do with the parents, the parents wanted to keep the kid. Sarah turned psycho.

:( abortion is one thing, but a baby that was alive for a week...????

definately mental issues for sure...... maybe she thinks she will lose the bf if he finds out about the baby?? (he has to have known about her being pregnant)

i also heard another story on news1130... i heard she was trying to conceal the existence of that baby from her parents... now the story is that the parents knew?? i think something is fishy here..

[Doubl3_H]

the parents didn't know about the first baby, but they definitely knew about the second baby cause it was alive for a week in their house. The mom was helping her babysit

[SumAznGuy]

That is a total lie.
None of these details were ever released and the case has been sealed so no one can get access to any of this info except for a select few.

I can tell you 100% that what Doubl3 H said is not true.

[Gumby]

That is a total lie.
None of these details were ever released and the case has been sealed so no one can get access to any of this info except for a select few.

I can tell you 100% that what Doubl3 H said is not true.
Although I'm curious, I won't ask for details because I respect their privacy, but how do you know it's not true? Are you one of the few who does have access to info?

[Doubl3_H]

That is a total lie.
None of these details were ever released and the case has been sealed so no one can get access to any of this info except for a select few.

I can tell you 100% that what Doubl3 H said is not true.


ignorance is bliss

just because someone knows something that you do not know does not make them a liar

good for you:thumbsup:

i have better things to do with my life than posting some bogus info about something that's on the news

let's just say someone i knew knows the family

[shawn79]

hey sumaznguy, y r u failing the guy with his speculations or inside source through family?

[dinamix]

The mom said that she was the one that called the cops the second time, because the second baby was born and was living for a week. Sarah was at home babysitting the baby, but one day the mom came home and found out that the baby and sarah was both missing. Thats when she called the cops. Apparently Sarah dumped the baby in the delta landfill.

So I guess it had nothing at all to do with the parents, the parents wanted to keep the kid. Sarah turned psycho.

yup its true..i read it somewhere else on the intranet..i heard hyde was the biological father

[maxxxboost]

I feel sad for her decisions. Didn't have to end this way. Maybe she really does have some problems. Who are we to point fingers.

Sigh.

[SumAznGuy]

ignorance is bliss

just because someone knows something that you do not know does not make them a liar

good for you:thumbsup:

i have better things to do with my life than posting some bogus info about something that's on the news

let's just say someone i knew knows the family

Case has a publication ban, that means no one can talk about specific details of this case.
Give it some time and the truth will come out.

Since it has been posted on the news, I can tell you the baby being alive for a week and the mother taking care of the baby is total crap.

Well, why was the child's body never found? Because quite a bit of time went by from when the baby was dumped and when the police was informed and started their search.

[G]

So Bernice is actually her cousin? Suprised HK media didn't bombard her yet.

[bcrdukes]

Saw this while reading quick tidbits on News1130.com

Woman accused of killing her newborns released on bail
Conditions include no sex allowed

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A Vancouver woman accused of killing her two newborns has been released on $200,000 bail with some extraordinary conditions attached. Sarah Jee-Wah Leung has been ordered not to have sex with anyone -- just one of the measures aimed at preventing the 24-year-old from becoming pregnant.

Other conditions include having to visit a doctor in one week to confirm she is not pregnant and having regular birth control discussions with her bail supervisor. Leung also surrendered her passport and must live with her parents -- who each posted $100,000 for her bail.

The body of her first newborn son was found in a plastic bag behind her parents' home on April 2nd, 2009. The body of her second son -- born March 7th, 2010 -- has never been found.

News1130.com (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/71053--woman-accused-of-killing-her-newborns-released-on-bail)

[orange7]

dam.. I feel bad for her parents having to go through all the trouble their daughter caused.

[slammer111]

^ Good luck trying to enforce the no sex part. :lol

But seriously, you'd think she would've learned to use bags at some point.

[subordinate]

What a nut....

[miss_crayon]

So is she not gonna get any punishment at all? Or a further investigation?
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[tacobell]

^ Good luck trying to enforce the no sex part. :lol

But seriously, you'd think she would've learned to use bags at some point.

yes, it will be hard to enforce, but No self respecting guy should have sex with this girl. I know there are few situations where a guy will turn down sex, but this definitely would be one of them.

[bcrdukes]

So is she not gonna get any punishment at all? Or a further investigation?

Not until the investigation is complete. After that, she will have to show up for court but even then, we won't know what will come out of this.

[orange7]

I'd definitely turn her down after what she's done.

However, I'm pretty sure some guys would love to screw her since they won't need to use condoms and not need to worry about kids.

[Meowjin]

I'd definitely turn her down after what she's done.

However, I'm pretty sure some guys would love to screw her since they won't need to use condoms and not need to worry about kids.

wow stop fucking posting on RS.

[donjalapeno]

shit that sucks

[SpuGen]

Sentencing for woman convicted of infanticide to start Monday | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2014/04/11/sentencing-for-woman-convicted-of-infanticide-to-start-monday/)
Sentencing for woman convicted of infanticide to start Monday
Sarah Leung was convicted in the separate deaths of her two newborn sons
The Canadian Press April 11, 2014 2:10 pm


Vancouver woman gave birth in secret, killed two newborn sons: Crown
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Sentencing arguments begin Monday for the Vancouver woman convicted in the separate deaths of her two newborn sons.

Sarah Leung’s lawyer, Richard Fowler, says the verdict — which came down at 7 p.m. Thursday — is the right one.

“It’s a great example of our justice system at it’s absolute best. You take 12 members of the community who spend eight weeks of their life, utterly committed to upholding the oath that they take at the beginning.”

He successfully argued Leung was so terrified of her parents’ reaction to her pregnancies that she hid the evidence after giving birth, disposing of the bodies in plastic bags she put outside with other trash.

But after six days of deliberation, Fowler says a jury agreed the 28-year-old mom was emotionally and mentally disturbed — reducing a second degree murder charge to infanticide.

“We can’t forget that Sarah had a very difficult childhood and entry into adulthood, so there’s a lot of people who are broken-hearted by all of this, including Sarah’s family, Sarah’s husband.”

[SpuGen]

Sarah Leung, Vancouver Mother, Guilty In Babies' Deaths (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/11/sarah-leung-babies-vancouver-guilty_n_5130103.html)


VANCOUVER - A Vancouver jury has convicted a 28-year-old woman of two counts of infanticide in the separate deaths of her two newborn sons, finding her guilty of a lesser crime than second-degree murder.

The jury returned with the verdicts for Sarah Leung on Thursday night, concluding six days of deliberations following a trial that began in February.

Leung's lawyer, Richard Fowler, said Friday the case remains an "abject tragedy" but that the jury came back with the right decision.

"I think personally it's an example of our justice system at its absolute best," he said in an interview.

"It was a tough case, there was a lot of evidence, it was a long trial, difficult legal issues and factual issues to determine and (jury members) were clearly very dedicated to their duty."

Lawyers will return to B.C. Supreme Court on Monday for sentencing arguments. Fowler said he's still determining the penalty to request, only noting that consequences for such cases in the past have ranged from probation to a period of incarceration.

Fowler had urged the jury to convict his client of infanticide instead of second-degree murder, saying she was mentally and emotionally in denial of her actions and feared her parents' disapproval.

Leung was charged with second-degree murder after she delivered the babies into the toilet of her family home and then disposed of them in plastic bags she tossed in the garbage.

She gave birth to her first baby in April 2009 and the second in March 2010, each time cleaning up the blood and hiding the evidence before telling her boyfriend she had miscarried.

Leung's father found the first baby's body in a clear plastic bag outside the house and told his son to call police, but the second baby's body was not discovered because the garbage was picked up and police decided a search of the landfill would be unsuccessful.

Crown lawyer Sandra Cunningham told the jury that the babies' father knew about the pregnancies and was happy, but that Leung kept their relationship secret from her family.

Each time she delivered the babies, Leung told her boyfriend she'd miscarried and carried on as if nothing had happened, Cunningham said.

In August 2009, police determined from DNA tests that the dead baby found in the garbage belonged to Leung and her boyfriend.

Leung's mother testified that she didn't notice anything physically or emotionally different about her daughter before her husband found the baby in the garbage.

Cunningham alleged that in March 2010, when Leung gave birth to her second son, she put the baby inside a plastic bag and held him against her chest to keep him quiet until he stopped moving.

Leung then put the bag inside a trash can outside the house and covered it with a piece of cardboard, Cunningham said.

[Grim]

pooor innocent child :(

[m3thods]

pooor innocent child :(

It was 2 counts. So children.

It's amazing to think that there are people who think to dispose of a child like trash just to hide it from parents/bf/husband/whoever.

Given it happened twice, I'm not so sure about how "recoverable" she is for normal society living. Surely, she's up for a life of being supervised at the very least.

[Gumby]

Too bad the government can't step in and order a sterilization to be done.

[subordinate]

Too bad the government can't step in and order a sterilization to be done.

That's a dumb comment. After that, let's sterilize the gingers, then this "defective gene or race/color"

Family Guy - Musical Dumpster Baby - YouTube

[6o4__boi]

That's a dumb comment. After that, let's sterilize the gingers, then this "defective gene or race/color"

Family Guy - Musical Dumpster Baby - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw)


...that escalated quickly
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[Retrac]

Cunningham alleged that in March 2010, when Leung gave birth to her second son, she put the baby inside a plastic bag and held him against her chest to keep him quiet until he stopped moving.

Leung then put the bag inside a trash can outside the house and covered it with a piece of cardboard, Cunningham said.


That is just, horrid. Speachless
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[underscore]

That's a dumb comment. After that, let's sterilize the gingers, then this "defective gene or race/color"

How is sterilizing people who have killed newborn children dumb? Convicted computer hackers can have their computers revoked and are banned from accessing the internet, people with DUI's can be banned from driving, why can't she be banned from breeding?

[snails]

Cunningham alleged that in March 2010, when Leung gave birth to her second son, she put the baby inside a plastic bag and held him against her chest to keep him quiet until he stopped moving.



i think we needa take some laws back to the stone ages.

eye for an eye, put that bitch in a plastic bag till she stops breathing then throw her in the trash.

saves tax payers money and the justice system can focus on other things.

[StylinRed]

So Bernice is actually her cousin? Suprised HK media didn't bombard her yet.

this

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol, she should just go to prison and rehab and see a psychiatrist or whatever.

all these comments on killing her or sterilizing her are totally retarded. people talking out of spite, wanting revenge and seeing someone hurt.

it's a super slippery slope.

if you want to let your dark side of hatred, anger, fear and revenge take over for all these instances... and the "LOGIC" behind it is to "PREVENT" more from happening... it will only lead to chaos. we might as well go back to the dark ages.

i have the perfect solution to prevent crime...

if only the living can commit crimes, then living should be a crime. therefore no one that is alive can possibly be innocent. to prevent all crimes, we should prevent all life.

there's a reason we don't execute people or mutilate people. No matter what, there will always be more harm done in the long run. people wrongly accused, people framed. corrupt governments targeting their "enemies", over zealous fanatics (ahem everyone posting right now). No matter what, MORE "innocents" will suffer under those rules than anything else.

most people are too stupid, and too blinded by demonic revenge to see that.
they're no different than the accused. they just want to see pain inflicted on others.
eyes wide, waiting for blood to draw so they can get their weird sick and twisted satisfaction from seeing another suffer under "justified cause".

of course it's justified when you're judging with emotions. everything is justified when you think that way.

for those still too retarded to understand, you're the latter:

"Evil begets evil."

the only way to avoid that, is to be aware, and not perpetuate it with twisted "justified" punishments.



these guys are a reflection of you guys. savages.
http://iamiranaware.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/a-public-stoning-in-somalia.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XQX9JifgTjc/TRep75jv3eI/AAAAAAAAFew/Bzy4gd476eE/S760/Click%2Bfor%2Bmy%2Bblog%2BBewildering%2BBible%2BLe gends.JPG
"JUSTIFIED"


How foolish one must be, to think that they can improve their lives, by making other people's lives worse.
-Ulic

[dvst8]

lol, she should just go to prison and rehab and see a psychiatrist or whatever.

all these comments on killing her or sterilizing her are totally retarded. people talking out of spite, wanting revenge and seeing someone hurt.

it's a super slippery slope.

if you want to let your dark side of hatred, anger, fear and revenge take over for all these instances... and the "LOGIC" behind it is to "PREVENT" more from happening... it will only lead to chaos. we might as well go back to the dark ages.

i have the perfect solution to prevent crime...

if only the living can commit crimes, then living should be a crime. therefore no one that is alive can possibly be innocent. to prevent all crimes, we should prevent all life.

there's a reason we don't execute people or mutilate people. No matter what, there will always be more harm done in the long run. people wrongly accused, people framed. corrupt governments targeting their "enemies", over zealous fanatics (ahem everyone posting right now). No matter what, MORE "innocents" will suffer under those rules than anything else.

most people are too stupid, and too blinded by demonic revenge to see that.
they're no different than the accused. they just want to see pain inflicted on others.
eyes wide, waiting for blood to draw so they can get their weird sick and twisted satisfaction from seeing another suffer under "justified cause".

of course it's justified when you're judging with emotions. everything is justified when you think that way.

for those still too retarded to understand, you're the latter:

"Evil begets evil."

the only way to avoid that, is to be aware, and not perpetuate it with twisted "justified" punishments.

these guys are a reflection of you guys. savages.

"JUSTIFIED"

How foolish one must be, to think that they can improve their lives, by making other people's lives worse.
-Ulic

We see what you mean but this doesn't apply when not 1 but 2 newborns are killed. When does it stop?

[subordinate]

How is sterilizing people who have killed newborn children dumb? Convicted computer hackers can have their computers revoked and are banned from accessing the internet, people with DUI's can be banned from driving, why can't she be banned from breeding?

You are comparing (imposed) mutilation/change to computers/driving bans. :suspicious:

She killed two newborns; she likely has some sort of mental illness that needs treating. If we start automatically sterilizing individuals who are guilty of infanticide, then when do we draw the line? Do we then start sterilizing those with autism? Schizo? Dwarfinism? Genetic flaws? IQ Under 120? Murderers (At what number do we use to determine when they should be sterilized? - one murder? two? 3? attempted?)

Yes, we all know of the slippery slope, and there's good reason.

[underscore]

You are comparing (imposed) mutilation/change to computers/driving bans. :suspicious:

She killed two newborns; she likely has some sort of mental illness that needs treating. If we start automatically sterilizing individuals who are guilty of infanticide, then when do we draw the line? Do we then start sterilizing those with autism? Schizo? Dwarfinism? Genetic flaws? IQ Under 120? Murderers (At what number do we use to determine when they should be sterilized? - one murder? two? 3? attempted?)

Yes, we all know of the slippery slope, and there's good reason.

It's a legitimate question though, if someone is convicted of repeated infanticide why is sterilization not a possible option? Perhaps not immediately, but after proper medical help and psychiatric evaluations?

I can understand the concern over a slippery slope but now you're comparing someone who has repeatedly committed infanticide to groups of people who have harmed nobody (replace "sterilization" in your post with "gun ban" and "infanticide" with "murder" and you'll see what I mean), I'm comparing the consequences that are faced by convicted offenders of various crimes. Criminal offenders are often barred from possessing the means to commit the crimes they have previously been convicted of, how is this so different? And I'm not talking about sterilization as a way to remove her from the gene pool or something, it would be a way to ensure that she can't become pregnant and commit infanticide again, which is where my previous comparison comes in.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

A Clockwork Orange in 6 Minutes - YouTube

the repeated crimes committed and the victims involve are a small price to pay for the overwhelming innocents that will be harmed in the long run.

you guys are looking 1 foot ahead of us, subordinate and i are looking further than just our generation.

you forget, people normalize. two generations from now when you're old and your opinions don't matter and no one cares about you... and the youth have been growing up with "justified" executions and mutilations or whatever other ideas you guys have... then the next step will be easier.

every step is easier after the previous one has been taken.

like i said, over zealous types, manipulators, corrupt, will use those very same tools you request now, to get their way. over time, they will win.

the only way to prevent that, is to NEVER let anyone do those things period. because people always forget. things always normalize, and the next step to extremity doesn't seem that extreme anymore.

like i said, the victims now, are a small price to pay for the overall peace and integrity of the future.

why not just throw them in prison indefinitely? why? cuz it's inhumane? lol... so u guys suggest mutilating them... yeah... that's... really logical.

we can't kill em! so lets disable em!

if i were her, and the government cut my ovaries out, i'd plan and get back at society 100x harder than killing newborns.

if she becomes a monster, you guys created her.

it's better to just leave her to do whatever fucked up things she does. she's obviously fucked in the head. like subordinate says... slippery slope.

when do we start sterilizing retarded people?
your excuse is repeat offender.

if evil ulic ever comes into power, you would be charged with the crime of repeated offending of whatever crime i choose. and the excuse would be you're genetically dispositioned to commit crime because according to my standards, you have a genetic flaw. and also a repeat offender under my domain. sterilized.

how do you like that?

i mean it's no different than the middle east chopping hands off of thieves. they get to chop a lot of hands... but hands are born everyday. thievery doesn't stop. sure that ONE guy can't steal anymore, but hey, babies are being born everyday, why not just chop their hands off at birth, then no one can steal... ever.


when someone commits a crime, you don't focus on how to prevent them from committing it again.
you guys are focusing on the wrong aspect. not HOW.

but WHY are they committing the crime. if you figure out the why, then you can help stop it without brute force. brute force is only a temporary solution.

there will be plenty other versions of her, who don't care about the punishment, and they'll keep doing it. just like junkies. you can execute people for possessing drugs. but people will still do it. the solution doesn't work (it does if all you want is to entertain yourselves by seeing others hurt in the name of "justice")

stop focusing on the immediate victims and think about all the people that won't be falsely brutalized.

the trade off is a no brainer. it exponentially exceeds the justification of satisfying immediate sadistic tenancies. like i have said before:
the justice system is not in place to satisfy victims or the public.

we can go back to the dark ages where the accused can be tied up and everyone can throw rocks and rotten vegetables at them. everyone gets a punch at the accused. everyone gets satisfied. and again, the week after, we'll have another person to throw rocks at. and the next week. and the next.

some solution that is.

[subordinate]

Couldn't have said it any better Ulic.

It disappoints me that people over react and want immediate justice to this girl. (& not to mention she wasn't even treated for the first infanticide, psychologically speaking.).

Too many of you are short sighted to realize the full impact of letting the government sterilize this woman.

Let's stop and critically think about what we are saying. To mutilate her body... her right to her body. At what point do we not have a right to our own bodies? When we are deemed mentally ill? Ok, then when do we stop, at what line? Like Ulic said, we give them this right, it's going to be easier for them to keep at it. As the saying goes, "give them an inch, they take a mile"

And we are giving it to what? A organizational body that is appointed or elected? How we to know if they will not become corrupted, and someone with Hitler ideology is implemented. And new policies are created?

[Pegacorn]

Meanwhile, in America.... A woman was has been accused of killing 6 newborns at her home. SIX! Her husband said he had no idea about any of the pregnancies..... Police: U.S. woman accused of killing 6 infants, storing them in garage, gave birth at home | CP24.com (http://www.cp24.com/world/police-woman-accused-of-killing-6-infants-gave-birth-at-home-1.1779083)

[EmperorIS]

BREAKING NEWS: Vancouver mother sentenced for killing her babies
Sarah Leung has been sentenced to five years in prison for killing her newborn sons in 2009 and 2010. She was convicted of infanticide earlier this year.

[bcrdukes]

Vancouver mother sentenced to five years for killing her babies | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2014/10/07/vancouver-mother-sentenced-for-killing-her-babies/)

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Sarah Leung has been sentenced to five years in prison for killing her newborn sons in 2009 and 2010.

The 28-year-old delivered babies into the toilet of her family home, then disposed of them in plastic bags she tossed into the garbage. Her first baby was born in February, 2009. The second was born in March, 2010.

In April, Leung was convicted of two counts of infanticide, though she was originally charged with second-degree murder.

Leung has been sentenced to 18 months for the first killing and 42 months for the second. She will be given 50 days’ credit for time already served. She must also report any future pregnancies to whatever province she lives in for the next 20 years.

During sentencing today, the judge called the killings “inexplicable” and “abhorrent,” and noted that Leung is now married to the man who fathered the two killed newborns.

The Crown had asked for an eight-year sentence, while the defence called for three years.

“I can say nothing other than it appears to be a very well considered, thoughtful decision, and I can’t say that it’s outside the range of possible sentences in this case,” says Leung’s lawyer, Richard Fowler.

“[The judge] sat through all of the evidence,” he adds. “She observed Ms. Leung on many days in court, and I believe that the sentence is consistent with the nature of the offenses.”

When asked about criticism of the decision on social media, Fowler told reporters, “It’s 12 essentially randomly picked members of the community who heard all of the evidence. So the people that are tweeting you undoubtedly didn’t hear all of the evidence and the jury considered their verdict for six days.”

After sentencing, Leung hugged her lawyers as a sheriff took her away. Her father wept loudly as he left the courtroom.

[fliptuner]

No info on if she's required to do any psych treatment?

IMO, 5 years is pretty short for killing 2 kids (even the crown asking for 8 years seems short) if she was deemed to be of sound mind.

[bcrdukes]

Well, to top things off...the guy who knocked her up married her.

So...

Yeah...

Till death do us apart, right? :inoutugh:

[JaPoola]

Well, to top things off...the guy who knocked her up married her.

So...

Yeah...

Till death do us apart, right? :inoutugh:

Or in this case, jail.

Also, why isn't the guy getting anything? Surely he can be considered an accomplice?

[Majestic12]

No info on if she's required to do any psych treatment?

IMO, 5 years is pretty short for killing 2 kids (even the crown asking for 8 years seems short) if she was deemed to be of sound mind.

She did undergo a psych assessment prior to sentencing: Mom who killed babies getting psych assessment before sentencing | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/mom-who-killed-babies-getting-psych-assessment-before-sentencing-1.1775519)

Here is the full text of the judgement if anybody cares to read it: 2014 BCSC 1894 R. v. Leung (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/14/18/2014BCSC1894.htm)

I was there yesterday during the sentencing.

[Majestic12]

Or in this case, jail.

Also, why isn't the guy getting anything? Surely he can be considered an accomplice?

He didn't know she did it.

[Gumby]

He didn't know she did it.
While it's possible to hide things from others, how can you not know that your GF was pregnant for 9 months, gave birth, and then "disposed" of the baby? :suspicious:

[fliptuner]

Twice

[dvst8]

It was mentioned that the husband had known about the pregnancy

[Majestic12]

Yeah, he knew she was pregnant, but she claimed miscarriage. I don't know if she did it both times or whatever, but I know that he wasn't involved in any criminal activity.

[GLOW]

While it's possible to hide things from others, how can you not know that your GF was pregnant for 9 months, gave birth, and then "disposed" of the baby? :suspicious:

i knew someone that didn't know a cat was pregnant until one day there was a litter of kittens. thought the cat was just gaining weight :lol

[ZN6]

I just mentioned this to a few of my friends and this made me absolutely sick to my stomach.

I'm just glad she needs supervision so that she doesn't have to do this anymore.

I can't judge her, I don't know her, but god have mercy on her soul and the two infants who died in her wake.

[Psykopathik]

why not just have abortions? why bring the child to term and kill it?

[ZN6]

why not just have abortions? why bring the child to term and kill it?

Most likely she was feeling pressure from parents and her boy friend. It sounds like her boyfriend wanted the kids but her parents are conservative and they didn't want her to have kids out of wedlock.

So she probably wasn't in the best state of mind to do anything about it until the event actually happened. I'm pretty sure aborting a baby is one of the, if not the hardest thing for a woman to endure physically and psychologically.

[dotdot]

Wow that's sick!!