[LiquidTurbo]

I've always wondered about Subway's nutritional value. For years they kinda marketed themselves as the 'healthier' fast food chain, with "Eat Fresh", Jared losing a boatload of weight.

I've eaten Subway a LOT in my life but I really got thinking about the actual freshness of the ingredients. The lettuce/vegetables comes presliced in a bag, when was it actually shredded? How long did it take to go from the factory to the Subway trays? Are there any strange preservatives in the tomatoes?

The majority of the meats can't be healthy, particularly the Cold Cut Combo, and the Italian BMT, crazy amounts of processing with nitrites off the charts probably. That being said, the BMT is probably my favorite sandwich.

That and consuming tons of white carbs, and watching people wash it all down with a coke = probably not the healthiest 'sandwich' type lunch you could have. It doesn't help that I see people slather on the Chipotle and Mayonnaise.

Any thoughts?

http://theotherktown.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/italian_bmt1.jpg

That being said, I love Subway. Tastes so good. :p

[Fafine]

maybe its just me but after eatting subway i would be hungry within the hour. and i usually eat 1 ft long and a 6inch.

chicken bacon ranch is my favorite

[Meowjin]

You can make it healthy by getting sliced turkey or chicken breast putting no cheese and loading ever vegetable imaginable to man. And getting whole wheat and no drink.
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[vafanculo]

Just gotta pick and choose. Coke? Make it water. Mayo? Make it mustard. Bacon? Cheese? Really it's all up to you.

Personally I love subway. Much better and probably healthier than any other fast food chain.
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[twitchyzero]

the tomatoes are generally pretty fresh IMo

[unit]

i always go straight turkey sub on brown
its still 100g of carbs tho, once you eat a footlong.

i avoid the mayo and get mustard.
i add siracha when i get home

[HondaWorld]

I graduated from Food Science at UBC and my opinion is that the Tuna Sandwich with the Honey oat bread is probably the most healthy and least in fat content.

Subway is healthy, as long as you get your fair share of vegetables in your sandwich.

[Senna4ever]

I graduated from Food Science at UBC and my opinion is that the Tuna Sandwich with the Honey oat bread is probably the most healthy and least in fat content.

Subway is healthy, as long as you get your fair share of vegetables in your sandwich.

Who did you bribe to graduate? :lol Tuna is one of the worst, with the most fat content due to the mayo it's mixed with. The tuna and the meatball marinara are the two worst offenders on Subway's menu, IIRC.

[TRDood]

there's been a subway thread already.

i find that the sandwiches are pretty expensive, especially after the raised their prices half a year ago.

They are successful over other chains like Quizno's because customers get to customize their sandwich. You may argue that Mr.Sub have these choices too, but there is probably a 25:1 Subway to Mr. Sub ratio in Vancouver.

It would kick ass if Subway offers decent soups as well.

We can see that Timmy Hoe's is going towards Subway's directions, last time I saw that they have a sign where you get to choose a selection of 6-8 sauces in your sandwich.

[Princess121]

LOL@ TUNA BEING THE MOST HEALTHY....


http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/nutrition-calories/food/subway/six-inch-tuna-sub-on-honey-oat/

that dont look too healthy now does it.... and its for a 6inch sub...

I usually get a Veggie Sub with no mayo, whole grain..allll the veggies extra pickles, jalapenos, no cheese, no onion...just mustard...boring I know, but its better than smearing it with all that extra crap..

Subway can be healthy it just depends on your choice of toppings...

The shredded lettuce in the bag thing...id like to know how fresh that is as well...anyone here work at subway?

[G]

Subway is good as long as you don't get the sauce + the cheese.. those 2 things are killer.

I usually get the cold cut or ham with everything except olives , no sauces, no cheese, on whole wheat.

[SkinnyPupp]

The only "good" part of Subway is the mayo and cheese. And those are far from real mayo and cheese, so that should tell you how bad the food is there. Gorge yourself on 100g of carbs, and you are looking for trouble. And the "meat" they serve is packed with corn syrup and starch too. Fillers, nitrites, etc. Go buy a burger at macdonalds, and the meat is 100% pure beef.

The fact that Subway is marketed as a healthy alternative because they use more bread is fucking hilarious. And even more funny is that people fucking eat it up like morons.

[6793026]

i've read stories on how 'fresh' the meat is. the veggies are pretty good in my opinion. seriously, i finally at a whopper from BK 2 weeks ago. i haven't had a burger of any type from any fast food chains in a good solid 5 years and man, i wanted to puke. I will choose subway over any fast food if i had to.

I love quizno, their toasted are great (so much diff than subway) and you get those little peppers too.

[Senna4ever]

There is a chemical sprayed on cut vegetables to keep them from browning after they are cut. I can't remember the name, but you don't want to ingest that stuff too much.

[SkinnyPupp]

Before deciding what to do, you need to take a look at the actual ingredients of the ingredients.

Let's compare Subway's meat to a Quarter Pounder patty.

Patty: Beef.

And at Subway, you can choose one of these wonderful "low fat" ingredients. Let's say you want the "Oven roasted chicken"

Boneless, skinless, oven roasted chicken with rib meat, water, soy protein concentrate, salt, modified food starch, chicken flavor (contains salt, autolyzed yeast extract, sugar, molasses, disodium inosinate, disodium guanylate, sodium phosphates), sodium phosphates

Mmmmmmm,Chicken flavor! That's my favourite part of a chicken! The flavor!

Or let's say you want to go with the classic turkey breast. That's low fat after all! It has to be good for you!

Turkey breast, turkey broth, carrageenan, dextrose, modified food starch (derived from corn), salt, seasoned salt (salt, sodium diacetate, flavoring), sodium lactate, sodium phosphate. * Browned in soybean oil. May contain: seasonings (modified corn starch, dextrose, salt, carrageenan, sodium diacetate, flavorings), potassium lactate.

I guess turkey breast itself isn't good until you add thickeners and corn starch...

Let's set you want to live on the edge a bit, and order some black forest ham:

Ham cured with: water, dextrose, salt, potassium lactate, modified food starch (derived from corn), sodium phosphates, sodium diacetate, sodium erythorbate, smoke flavoring, sodium nitrite. May contain: seasoning [potassium chloride, pork stock, sugar, yeast extract, salt, lactic acid, fructose, sunflower oil, cysteine HCL, calcium lactate, modified food starch, flavors, grill flavor (from sunflower oil), polysorbate 80, rendered pork fat, and smoke flavor].

Grill flavor! I like grill flavor too!

The mayo actually isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. They use soybean oil of course, but making mayo with good oil is very difficult. I have made my own mayo with light olive oil, it works but is a pain in the ass to make an emulsification.

Subway's mayo uses real ingredients that you can actually pronounce:

Soybean oil, water, eggs, egg yolks, vinegar, salt, mustard flour, lemon juice concentrate, dried onions, dried garlic, calcium disodium EDTA (to protect flavor), paprika, natural flavor

But remember, mayo is BAD for you! Because it is high in fat! So let's get the FAT FREE HONEY MUSTARD instead. Because it is HEALTHY!

High fructose corn syrup, water, Dijon mustard, prepared mustard, distilled vinegar, honey, modified food starch, cider vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, salt, phosphoric acid, artificial color (Titanium Dioxide), xanthan gum, dehydrated onion, sodium benzoate, and potassium sorbate (as preservatives), egg yolks, dehydrated garlic, artificial caramel

Ah that's much better! High fructose corn syrup should ALWAYS be the number one ingredient in anything we eat! Followed of course by some corn starch and xanthan gum. Yum! And fat free!

Their cheese is actually all decent too. milk, cultures, enzymes. OH BUT IT'S HIGH IN FAT! Let's have some FAT FREE sweet onion sauce instead!

Sugar, water, corn vinegar, corn starch, food starch-modified, spices, salt, toasted onion, dehydrated onion, poppy seeds, onion juice, sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate (as preservatives), dehydrated red bell pepper, caramel color, cucumber juice, calcium disodium EDTA added to protect flavor, celery seed.

Ah, sugar AND corn starch! That's much better.

And to top it all off, it's all cradled in a huge bun with over 50g of carbs for a 6". Be sure to avoid all that mayo and cheese! Even though those are the only two ingredients at subway that consist of real food, they will make you fat!!!

EAT FRESH~!

[LiquidTurbo]

There is a chemical sprayed on cut vegetables to keep them from browning after they are cut. I can't remember the name, but you don't want to ingest that stuff too much.

I knew it. From the factory to the shop the lettuce should've browned already.

[Meowjin]

skinnypupp should get a job as a lobbyist for fast food in the states.

[LiquidTurbo]

1/2 the reason why people think Subway is so healthy is because of that guy Jared.

[Vansterdam]

shit i thought a veggie sub on whole wheat with light mayo and sweet onion sauce be healthy lol

[SkinnyPupp]

skinnypupp should get a job as a lobbyist for fast food in the states.
I'd be a lobbyist for using your brain, something people tend not to do very often.

[Dr-Vn]

http://www.dump.com/wp-content/uploads/DO-NOT-PASTE-THIS-URL-ON-ANY-FORUM-BLOG-OR-WEBSITE--LINK-WILL-CEASE-TO-BE-FUNCTIONAL-SHORTLY--PLEASE-LINK-ONLY-TO-URLS-CONTAINED-IN-THE-ADDRESS-BAR--CODE-48918279417/subway.gif

[Senna4ever]

^LOL

[TRDood]

but doesn't the MCD beef patty contain all those sodium chemicals as well?

[SkinnyPupp]

No.

Beef Patty Ingredients:

100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper).

Real food.

Of course, most morons who go to McDonalds will want to eat "healthy" by ordering something "low fat". So they turn to things like "Chicken Breast Strips". Because chicken breast is healthy!!!

Chicken breast strips, water, seasoning [food starch-modified, salt, autolyzed yeast extract, maltodextrin, chicken broth, natural flavor (plant and animal source), spice, chicken fat], salt, sodium phosphates, sunflower lecithin, maltodextrin, natural flavor (plant source). Battered and breaded with: wheat flour, water, food starch-modified, salt, spices, leavening (baking soda, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate), garlic powder, onion powder, dextrose, spice extractive, extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

Yeah, I'll take the 100% beef, thanks

[waddy41]

^ Which fast food joint sells real 100% beef patties?

Anyways, Jared was probably eating way worse before he started this subway campaign...a lot of people can lose weight just by cutting out sugar...It's false advertising IMO...you never knew what his lifestyle was before and you don't really know his currently lifestyle so you can't come to a conclusion that eating subway will result in weight loss..

As well, why get subway? you're paying for a few slices of processed meat and cheese with a 6 inch or a footlong...
why don't you spend the same amount of money on real, whole foods?

[SkinnyPupp]

^ Which fast food joint sells real 100% beef patties?

Anyways, Jared was probably eating way worse before he started this subway campaign...a lot of people can lose weight just by cutting out sugar...It's false advertising IMO...you never knew what his lifestyle was before and you don't really know his currently lifestyle so you can't come to a conclusion that eating subway will result in weight loss..

As well, why get subway? you're paying for a few slices of processed meat and cheese with a 6 inch or a footlong...
why don't you spend the same amount of money on real, whole foods?
Did you not read the post? I directly quoted mcdonalds ingredients for their beef patties. They include beef, and some salt and pepper.

Jared was morbidly obese, and went on a semi-starvation diet to become less obese. In no way should he be an influence on how people should lose weight.

[Inaii]

After working at subway, I learned that it's not as "fresh" or "healthy" as it's made out to be. The veggies are stored semi-frozen in a large fridge. The only thing that's actually sliced in the back is the tomatoes. Meats are all processed and come pre-packaged (basically the same thing you get at the store). The cheese is essentially kraft single-esque. Not my idea of healthy.

[Vansterdam]

:lol that cheese thing is so true

ahh i miss the good ole days where i would hotbox the subway freezer when my buddies got off work :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Actually the cheese at Subway appears totally fine, at least according to their ingredients. It is just milk and culture.

Compare that to the cheese at McDonalds:

Milk, water, milkfat, cheese culture, sodium citrate, salt, citric acid, sorbic acid (preservative), sodium phosphate, artificial color, lactic acid, acetic acid, enzymes, soy lecithin (added for slice separation).

To be fair, that's not bad either. I had expected it to be filled with extra vegetable oil, but it's not. Just a lot of preservatives and artificial colour.

Extra funny that everyone goes to subway, avoids the cheese and mayo because of the fat, but those two things are the only real foods they use :lol

[LiquidTurbo]

but doesn't the MCD beef patty contain all those sodium chemicals as well?


No.

Beef Patty Ingredients:

100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper).

Real food.

Of course, most morons who go to McDonalds will want to eat "healthy" by ordering something "low fat". So they turn to things like "Chicken Breast Strips". Because chicken breast is healthy!!!

Chicken breast strips, water, seasoning [food starch-modified, salt, autolyzed yeast extract, maltodextrin, chicken broth, natural flavor (plant and animal source), spice, chicken fat], salt, sodium phosphates, sunflower lecithin, maltodextrin, natural flavor (plant source). Battered and breaded with: wheat flour, water, food starch-modified, salt, spices, leavening (baking soda, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate), garlic powder, onion powder, dextrose, spice extractive, extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.

Yeah, I'll take the 100% beef, thanks

You're only telling half the story. When someone goes into McD and order a 1/4 pounder, its not like they ONLY eat the beef. Maybe only you do.:haha:



Patty
100% pure USDA inspected beef; no additives, no fillers, no extenders.

Bun
Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda, emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride, ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative). :eekthumb:

Ketchup
Tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar, high fructose corn syrup, water, salt, natural flavors (vegetable source).

Mustard
Vinegar, water, mustard seed, salt, turmeric, paprika, spice extractives.

Pickle Slices
Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.

Onions (Dehydrated)

Seasoning
Salt, pepper, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil (cottonseed and soybean).

[SkinnyPupp]

The ketchup is no different from any ketchup you'd buy anywhere. The rest of the ingredients are fine (except the buns, but that is to be expected).

You just pwned yourself sir :thumbsup:

Also, The Quarter Pounder doesn't use that seasoning, or mustard, nor does it use dehydrated onions.

Plus I was only comparing the "meat" at first. The fact that Subway pushes their disgusting low fat concoctions as "healthy" is the point I was making. I compared the cheese already, subway has better cheese.

:thumbsup:

[AutozamAZ-3]

Don't forget doctors and associates is not a real company ;) subway uses it to make itself more healthy
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[penner2k]

If you REALLY want to be healthy you shouldnt really be eating out. Managing your time and planning for the day makes it that you should never need to actually eat out.
On any given day I have enough food to last me the entire day and then I have snacking foods such as almonds with me.
I would personally go to McDonalds and throw away the bun over going to Subway though.
Most people have a slight allergy to grains so they really shouldnt be eating Subway in the first place... Our bodies just dont know how to properly digest them

[unit]

If you REALLY want to be healthy you shouldnt really be eating out. Managing your time and planning for the day makes it that you should never need to actually eat out.
On any given day I have enough food to last me the entire day and then I have snacking foods such as almonds with me.
I would personally go to McDonalds and throw away the bun over going to Subway though.
Most people have a slight allergy to grains so they really shouldnt be eating Subway in the first place... Our bodies just dont know how to properly digest them

just to add,
eating out is bad, but eating at home can be bad too if you dont make good choices at the supermarket.
if your meals come mostly from processed food from the inner aisles, you may as well be eating out.

[penner2k]

just to add,
eating out is bad, but eating at home can be bad too if you dont make good choices at the supermarket.
if your meals come mostly from processed food from the inner aisles, you may as well be eating out.

I'd hope that would be common sense...

[unit]

do people ever cease to amaze you with their stupidity?

[SkinnyPupp]

I'd hope that would be common sense...
We're talking about people who think Subway is healthy and fresh... so....

[Fuhrër-Z]

I for the life of me cannot explain to my parents why Subway is junk food...They just won't listen and it pissed me off to no extent. Anyways, how is Wendy's compared to MCD and subway? They also advertise the whole freshly made thing, and it looks like it's true (Buns taste really sweet though).

[SkinnyPupp]

It's pretty much identical, except they seem to put even more corn syrup in everything. Even their fucking mayo has corn syrup in it!

You're right about the buns too.. Their bread has corn syrup in it, right below flour and water

You can see for yourself here (http://www.wendys.com/food/pdf/us/nutrition.pdf).

[Senna4ever]

Holy shit, you've done your research! ...unlike Mr. "I am a UBC Food Sciences Graduate". Haha....

[LiquidTurbo]

It's pretty much identical, except they seem to put even more corn syrup in everything. Even their fucking mayo has corn syrup in it!

You're right about the buns too.. Their bread has corn syrup in it, right below flour and water

You can see for yourself here (http://www.wendys.com/food/pdf/us/nutrition.pdf).

Man, screw Wendy's and their HCFS. Why do you need it in Mayo?

[goo3]

Every item @ McD has 0.2g Trans Fat, even the salad dressing. That always gives me a mind trip.

[SkinnyPupp]

Every item @ McD has 0.2g Trans Fat, even the salad dressing. That always gives me a mind trip.
It's because they were basically forced by "health experts" to switch to using vegetable fat. Because animal fat is unhealthy, you see.

[skyxx]

Gotta love the brain washing in today's school system. ;)

[penner2k]

do people ever cease to amaze you with their stupidity?

We're talking about people who think Subway is healthy and fresh... so....

lol

[raygunpk]

the smell of subway in your clothes is the worst

[Fuhrër-Z]

^ lol, the smell of Subway's "freshly baked bread" is the equivalent of the smell from a chemical treatment plant stuck in your clothes.

[hal0g0dv2]

subway is fucking overpriced

[skyxx]

^You know what's overpriced? Lap dances in Vancouver. Don't get me started on "If you ask your GF, it's free". That shit ain't free, it's more expensive than the ones at the damn club. And yes, I know this is the subway thread.

[unit]

dont be fooled by the flatbread either.
the carb value is just as high considering it doesnt come in a footlong.

[Blinky]

I worked at a subway a million years ago. Certain things have changed since then. Some others I'd guess are still the same, but back in ye olden days:

- we cut the tomatoes, onions and green peppers in the back. This was exactly the stuff you'd get from a grocery wholesaler and by extension, buy yourself at the market.
- the lettuce came pre-cut in vacuum sealed bags. I don't think it had any preservatives.
- the pickles, olives and hot peppers came in pretty standard food-servicey bulk packages
- the cukes were introduced long after the time I worked there
- the brown bread is (was) only 33% whole wheat. The brown colour is from raisin syrup.
- I don't know anything about the current deluxified breads, though I think that there are only still the two basic breads, and the toppings are simply shaken on top before baking.
- back then, the cheese was processed. However, I think at least some of the current cheese choices are "real", based on how the slices crumble and how you can see the blade marks on the cheese.
- back then, there was mayo and "mayonnaise-style dressing", which was significantly lower in fat. The dressing was what was mixed into the tuna and seafood mixes. I' m not sure what the deal is these days.
- incidentally, the seafood & crab was pollock with, if memory serves, a bit of snow crab.
- what looks like deli meat (roast beef, turkey, pepperoni) is roughly equivalent to the stuff you can buy at Safeway, for better or for worse.
- IMO Subway can be okay for you, as much as Mcdicks can be okay for you.

I think it's easier to make shitty menu choices at McDs though (want fries with that?). It also depends on what sorts of evils you prefer -- fat can be fairly easy to avoid at Subway, but you're usually trading more heavily processed foods.

All told it's fast food. You should never expect fast food to be healthly, and you should never really expect to be able to go out and eat and be healthy.

BTW, I absolutely believe that McDs uses 100% beef. You probably don't want to believe exactly how or what makes up that 100% though ;)

Interested? check this out...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/health/04meat.html

[SkinnyPupp]

fat can be fairly easy to avoid at Subway, but you're usually trading more heavily processed foods.

And that's precisely why Subway is worse than any other fast food restaurant. And BTW a bag of chips you'd get at Subway is probably worse than fries ;)

And just because they offer fries, doesn't mean you have to buy them. I haven't had fries at mcdonalds in years.

[LiquidTurbo]

I worked at a subway a million years ago. Certain things have changed since then. Some others I'd guess are still the same, but back in ye olden days:

- we cut the tomatoes, onions and green peppers in the back. This was exactly the stuff you'd get from a grocery wholesaler and by extension, buy yourself at the market.
- the lettuce came pre-cut in vacuum sealed bags. I don't think it had any preservatives.
- the pickles, olives and hot peppers came in pretty standard food-servicey bulk packages
- the cukes were introduced long after the time I worked there
- the brown bread is (was) only 33% whole wheat. The brown colour is from raisin syrup.
- I don't know anything about the current deluxified breads, though I think that there are only still the two basic breads, and the toppings are simply shaken on top before baking.
- back then, the cheese was processed. However, I think at least some of the current cheese choices are "real", based on how the slices crumble and how you can see the blade marks on the cheese.
- back then, there was mayo and "mayonnaise-style dressing", which was significantly lower in fat. The dressing was what was mixed into the tuna and seafood mixes. I' m not sure what the deal is these days.
- incidentally, the seafood & crab was pollock with, if memory serves, a bit of snow crab.
- what looks like deli meat (roast beef, turkey, pepperoni) is roughly equivalent to the stuff you can buy at Safeway, for better or for worse.
- IMO Subway can be okay for you, as much as Mcdicks can be okay for you.

I think it's easier to make shitty menu choices at McDs though (want fries with that?). It also depends on what sorts of evils you prefer -- fat can be fairly easy to avoid at Subway, but you're usually trading more heavily processed foods.

All told it's fast food. You should never expect fast food to be healthly, and you should never really expect to be able to go out and eat and be healthy.

BTW, I absolutely believe that McDs uses 100% beef. You probably don't want to believe exactly how or what makes up that 100% though ;)

Interested? check this out...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/health/04meat.html

Thanks man. Thats exactly the kind of information I was after!