[too_slow]

Oh hai,

I've been thinking of getting a convertible as a fun weekend car for the last 2 years. The insane amounts of sun that we get in Kelowna allows me to justify getting one.

The contenders:

2006-2007 Z4-M ($28k+ USD, US built so no duties)
2009+ MX-5 (facelifted, with the powered-hardtop) ($24k+ USD + duties)
2005-2007 S2K ($18k USD + duties)

I've narrowed it down to these three cars. Price wise, the S2K is the cheapest, while the Z4-M is obviously the most expensive. The MX-5 sits somewhere in the middle. FYI, I will be buying it from the states.

It will be a highway cruiser for the most part for May-August driving from Kelowna to Vancouver. I've read that the S2K has the worst seats for long-distance cruising. IMHO, I've only had time with a NC MX5, and I felt the seats were really comfy (driving from Vancouver to Whistler), and I did not feel like I was in a sardine can. (I'm 5'9" ~158lbs BTW).

The car will most likely be stock.. MAYBE rims + coilovers in the future..

Which one would you pick?

http://images01.olx.com/ui/1/38/76/14723276_1.jpg

http://onthesocialside.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/2009-mazda-mx5-miata.jpg

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200903/bmw-cancels-z4m_460x0w.jpg

For those that own one of these cars, can you comment on how much you spent on maintenance/repairs?

[adc]

take the bimmer
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[Marioo1991]

I would pick s2k, but thats because i was planning on getting one last year :)

I wouldnt buy a BMW because of parts/maintenance cost, and Miata because it doesnt have as much power

[asian_XL]

if it's normal Z4, then get a S2K

since you mentioned M...then that's the only choice

[sonick]

Z4-M
S2K
MX5
Z4

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

LOOLLL why on earth is tat POS miata in there



Z4-M hands down


if just regular Z4? than s2k gets my vote, more raw and fun to drive

[BEEB]

Z4M - Z4 3.0 - S2K - Greyhound - MX5

[Phat_R]

maintenance costs on BMWs are very high -- even windshield washer blades are $70-80 (I have an M3)

For what you are looking for -- I think the S2K is the best choice. Lightweight, fast, well balanced

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

how the hell do you pay $70-80 bux for windshield blade?

lol even Piaas dont cost tat much

[too_slow]

Z4M - Z4 3.0 - S2K - Greyhound - MX5

LOL! I'll definitely keep that in mind!

I've thought about the regular Z4 3.0si too (they're only $20k ish), but I really dislike the front bumper! I guess I can buy a Z4-M bumper.

The MX5 is in the group because it's actually a decent interior with the top-up while cruising. It's definitely much quieter than the S2k, and well you won't get your softtop slashed! The older bubbly MX5 looks girly, but the NC-facelifted looks pretty good in a dark colour combined with a black interior.

The S2K is bloody loud both with the top up and down! I don't think I can live with that while driving for 3hrs each way!

I had originally included the SLK350 6spd manual on the list too.. Having driven one, I think I enjoy driving the MX5 more than the SLK.. That might be just me though..

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

miata...has like..... barely 170hp


the rest of the cars u listed either has greater hp or actual torque to back it up

than again im just hating on the miata for being gutless

[d1]

I'd pick the Z4-M simply because it has a lot more hp/torque than the others, and for highway driving that's probably what you want.

I have an s2k, and you're right - it's loud all the time, but you get used to it :) The only maintenance costs I've had so far are just regular oil changes. I had to replace the wiper blades too but they were like $20 for oem's.

[Jackygor]

Z4M all the way

[q0192837465]

SLK?

[JiggaZed]

SLK?

Woman's car...

[too_slow]

"I had originally included the SLK350 6spd manual on the list too.. Having driven one, I think I enjoy driving the MX5 more than the SLK.. That might be just me though.."

I dont like the looks of the SLK at all.. It's way too chic-looking.. If anything, it looks more feminine than a facelifted NC MX-5 .. The SLK55 looks a lot meaner, but I'm not willing to rock an auto..

[flagella]

You should do more research on it. Driving experience on s2k and MX-5 are sure different from Z4M.

[Marioo1991]

Woman's car...

so is a miata

[Z3guy]

the S2000 is better if you are worried about maintenance....MZ4 was a $75K car new.....

[Great68]

Jay Leno likes Miatas:

http://www.mazdapedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jay_leno-390x600.jpg

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

so is a miata

no, thats a bitch's car

[sonick]

Jay Leno likes Miatas:

http://www.mazdapedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jay_leno-390x600.jpg

Full article here: http://www.miatamania.com/SiteGraphics/PDF/JayLenoMazdaSport.pdf

[too_slow]

You should do more research on it. Driving experience on s2k and MX-5 are sure different from Z4M.

I'm having a hard time locating a Z4M for a test drive. I have driven a 2003 Z4 2.5i Sport and a E46 M3 vert. before. I'm sure it's a mix between the two.


It's crazy how a couple of local dealerships are importing Z4 2.5s for < $20k usd and are listing it here for $33k+ CDN.. The currency is on par, and there's no duties to be paid on these cars!


I wouldn't call the MX5 a bitch's car, especially with the face-lift. It's not 'fast,' but it is extremely fun to toss around the city and on highways.

If I really needed this car to pimp hoes, I'd sell my MPS6 and pick up a used SL63 or a 997 C2!

[sonick]

I wouldn't call the MX5 a bitch's car, especially with the face-lift. It's not 'fast,' but it is extremely fun to toss around the city and on highways.

+1, at legal speeds the MX5 probably has the highest fun quotient.

[skyxx]

Sometimes I really hate Mugen_evolution's replies. I wish he was still banned. Anyway, I'd choose the Mx5 for it's practically and fun factor in the city and highway where you'll use it the most.
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[HonestTea]

Z4-M! Just because you don't have to pay duty the bull shit 6.1% duty when you bring the car over :)

[sas]

There is nothing wrong with the miata and you have bigger issues in life if you are so insecure that people will question your manlihood.

There is someone out there that thinks your rice rocket with spoon, fork, moogen parts and 3" TIR exhaust is just as retarded.

But I have to agree, the Miata would be last pick with the S being my first. I've driven the S enough and you just can't describe how it drives. Sure, it lacks torque and as you already mentioned, not exactly quiet but the overall experience is very engaging. And I am too poor for BMW maintenance.

BTW, my opinion is slightly biased as I am also looking for an S in the states. But in spa yellow and some bronze volks ce28 and I'll call it a day.

GL

[rawr]

Z4M. It has the M badging for a reason.

[too_slow]

Portland has a yellow ap2 with 60k miles for under $18k. The owner claims he was the first owner, and the car has never been in an accident. I can send you his contact if you're interested! The car should still be posted on portland.craigslist.org


There is nothing wrong with the miata and you have bigger issues in life if you are so insecure that people will question your manlihood.

There is someone out there that thinks your rice rocket with spoon, fork, moogen parts and 3" TIR exhaust is just as retarded.

But I have to agree, the Miata would be last pick with the S being my first. I've driven the S enough and you just can't describe how it drives. Sure, it lacks torque and as you already mentioned, not exactly quiet but the overall experience is very engaging. And I am too poor for BMW maintenance.

BTW, my opinion is slightly biased as I am also looking for an S in the states. But in spa yellow and some bronze volks ce28 and I'll call it a day.

GL

[too_slow]

^

how the hell do you pay $70-80 bux for windshield blade?

lol even Piaas dont cost tat much


PIAA sucks! Bosch ICONS are by the far the best blades i've used..

[skyxx]

^ Valeo Ultimates are pretty good too. I'm pretty sure it comes out from the same factory.

[q0192837465]

PIAA sucks! Bosch ICONS are by the far the best blades i've used..

agreed, ICON is the shit.

btw, how do u plan on checking the car for damages? Do u know a good mechanic or u just look @ the carproof/carfax reports?

[too_slow]

-CARFAX
-Pictures from specific angles, pics of VIN plate
-Ask friend from Seattle/Portland to check out the car
-Request for a full inspection at a BMW/Honda/Mazda dealership.. I will prepay with my credit card by calling up the dealership

[Si]

S2K

[gilly]

since this is going to be your fun WEEKEND car, I would pick the Z4M. Maintenance costs wont be crazy because it is not your daily driver.

[SuperSlowSS]

I'm having a hard time locating a Z4M for a test drive. I have driven a 2003 Z4 2.5i Sport and a E46 M3 vert. before. I'm sure it's a mix between the two.


z4m has a newer cpu and sounds better than e46 m3. It is very close to a regular e46 m3. So no way you can compare it with a m3 vert. Also it is very different from a regular z4 from what I have read. It is very basic and raw(in bmw lineup anyways).

watch this, you can't go wrong with a z4m:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5huaBA4uo

[too_slow]

For the guy that says it'll be my weekend driver, my weekend consists of a roundtrip from Kelowna to Vancouver (easily 1200kms a weekend!)

Thanks for the vid SS.. That's sick..

[hchang]

S2K gets my vote.

Z4 looks funny imo, and Miatas as mentioned above have no horsepower. But they're fun to drive, so if you're not looking for torque I guess that'd be a decent choice.

But I'm still leaning on the S2K

[Eff-1]

Don't get the S2k, it's a fun car but its weak point is long highway cruising. Lots of wind/engine noise, lousy stereo, and you'll be cruising at high revs which means poor hwy mileage.

BMW for sure.

[flagella]

Don't get the S2k, it's a fun car but its weak point is long highway cruising. Lots of wind/engine noise, lousy stereo, and you'll be cruising at high revs which means poor hwy mileage.

BMW for sure.

I don't see the point with poor hwy mileage. I cruise at around 4k RPM at 120km/h. How much more do you want to be speeding on highway? Z4M's maintenance in the long run will far surpass s2k's and you think that can be offset by some better highway mileage or something? Stereo can easily be upgraded. If you don't like noises, get a hardtop and in the end it'll still be way cheaper than owning a Z4M.

[CivicTypeRice]

S2k

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Sometimes I really hate Mugen_evolution's replies. I wish he was still banned. Anyway, I'd choose the Mx5 for it's practically and fun factor in the city and highway where you'll use it the most.
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cool ~ thx
PIAA sucks! Bosch ICONS are by the far the best blades i've used..

so far im pretty damn pleased with my piaa silicon

tried bosch and it was pretty shitty, but that time they never had the icons. Maybe i will give that a try after my piaas are done

[Eff-1]

I don't see the point with poor hwy mileage. I cruise at around 4k RPM at 120km/h. How much more do you want to be speeding on highway? Z4M's maintenance in the long run will far surpass s2k's and you think that can be offset by some better highway mileage or something? Stereo can easily be upgraded. If you don't like noises, get a hardtop and in the end it'll still be way cheaper than owning a Z4M.

whoa slow down there chief. all I said was that the s2k isn't a great car for highway cruising and I listed a few reasons why. If his # 1 priority is highway trips (which it appears to be, based on his posts), the BMW is a better choice. But if you think his # 1 priority is maintenance costs, then the s2k is a better choice. everything has a trade off.

[XtC-604]

K this is from an S2000 owner,
i would get the Z4M, i raced one and got demolished. Straight line fun, is what the Z4M owns all of the above in. Corners? i'd take the S by far easily.
Interior, well thats a stupid question :D
Heres the way i see it,
RAW FUN : s2k
FUN: Z4M

[flagella]

Prob be better if you get opinions from someone who actually DROVE the car.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=680195&st=0

The guy went from S2000 --> Boxster S --> Z4M --> Boxster S

Though the thread compares Boxster S and Z4M, you get pretty good info about the ride of Z4M.

[Energy]

Z4M obviously if you can afford the maintenance. Shouldn't really be comparing that car to the other two.

But then the s2k is just so much fun. Best part of it is the engine and the transmission. Rev happy and really really slick shifting. Cheap maintenance and solid reliability too.

[SuperSlowSS]

K this is from an S2000 owner,
i would get the Z4M, i raced one and got demolished. Straight line fun, is what the Z4M owns all of the above in. Corners? i'd take the S by far easily.
Interior, well thats a stupid question :D
Heres the way i see it,
RAW FUN : s2k
FUN: Z4M

The z4m is a fun car in corners too. Different kind of corning than s2k.


Prob be better if you get opinions from someone who actually DROVE the car.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=680195&st=0

The guy went from S2000 --> Boxster S --> Z4M --> Boxster S

Though the thread compares Boxster S and Z4M, you get pretty good info about the ride of Z4M.

read the last page. you will see he really had no idea how to drive the z4m. After adjusting his driving style...seems like he is keeping it. :)

Most people can't just jump into a z4m and expect fast lap times and extract its full potential. It takes time. :)


Watch the top gear video with z4m vs boxster s.

[too_slow]

Thanks guys! :)

I like the 986/987S cars too. The 987 is outside of my budget (38k+ usd) and I've read about all the RMS issues on the 986.

[sonick]

If it's mostly highway (Kelowna-Vancouver), definitely go for the Z4M.

[josel_atr]

I would pick s2k, but thats because i was planning on getting one last year :)

I wouldnt buy a BMW because of parts/maintenance cost, and Miata because it doesnt have as much power

this.

how about a 350z roadster? its got more leg room than the s2k...

[too_slow]

^I don't like the 350z vert at all.. It looks awkward both with the top up and down.. I do like the 2006+ facelifted coupes in Daytona blue.

Alas, I am more interested in a small 2 seater convertible. The Z will look like a monster parked next to those 3 cars. I just learned that S2K do not come with heated seats! I think that's enough for me to cross it off the list.. :(

[flagella]

The z4m is a fun car in corners too. Different kind of corning than s2k.




read the last page. you will see he really had no idea how to drive the z4m. After adjusting his driving style...seems like he is keeping it. :)

Most people can't just jump into a z4m and expect fast lap times and extract its full potential. It takes time. :)


Watch the top gear video with z4m vs boxster s.

There is another new thread. He ended up selling Z4M. He's driving the BS now.

[flagella]

this.

how about a 350z roadster? its got more leg room than the s2k...

I think we should keep 350Z roadster out of this since it just can't get any uglier.

[Marioo1991]

I think we should keep 350Z roadster out of this since it just can't get any uglier.

lol and its hard to find a used 350z convertible

[RabidRat]

^ for good reason. And I think any remaining survivors should be crushed.
Sorry to any 350z vert owners on RS. :lol

I think the s2k is a hugely better value, in terms of initial purchase cost, maintenance and repair cost (I've owned an '03 for two years now, and expenditure on repairs has been very minimal for an 8 year old car), better fuel consumption, and lower insurance cost.

But if you're cross shopping these cars $10,000 apart in price, that leads me to understand that value is not a consideration for you. In that case, I don't see why you wouldn't go for the Z4M. You're doing a lot of highway cruising and that's where the power and refinement shines. An s2k is only really fun when there are tight mountain/canyon corners to carve, where you can really stretch that motor out to the 9000rpm of awesome. When you're stuck doing the same speed in traffic on relatively straight roads, the s2000 becomes borderline annoying.

As for the seats being uncomfortable, I used to get tons of back pain (from previous motor vehicle accidents) from the car, and it's because the lumbar support is nonexistant. That's why you shove your own lumbar support behind the center seat cushion like I did - I bought a pneumatic adjustable one for $40 at some store at Aberdeen. I've never had an issue since, and because the thing's tucked inside the seat, it all looks stock. PM me if you want more info on this.

[flagella]

^Sonca, help me install one. My back hurts.

[too_slow]

^Hmm, that's a fair assessment. To be fair, I only plan to keep this car for 2-3 years
(I do intend on moving back to Vancouver when the company finishes restructuring - lateral transfer to Van ops). When that happens, I plan on selling the MSP6 and CAR#2 and just get one car (i.e. B8 S4?)

I do like something that has a high resale value + high fun factor. The NC MX5 and AP2 seems to hold better value than the Z4-M based on avg selling price vs MSRP.

Thanks to those S2k owners that have offered their insights. There's a LOT of AP2s @ the Abbotsford Honda that I drive by all the time. I will definately check it out over the weekend. RRat: I'll let you know if I do end up buying an AP2!

Cheers,
J

[RabidRat]

^Sonca, help me install one. My back hurts.

hmmmmmmmmm.. no.

:lol

[flagella]

^Hmm, that's a fair assessment. To be fair, I only plan to keep this car for 2-3 years
(I do intend on moving back to Vancouver when the company finishes restructuring - lateral transfer to Van ops). When that happens, I plan on selling the MSP6 and CAR#2 and just get one car (i.e. B8 S4?)

I do like something that has a high resale value + high fun factor. The NC MX5 and AP2 seems to hold better value than the Z4-M based on avg selling price vs MSRP.

Thanks to those S2k owners that have offered their insights. There's a LOT of AP2s @ the Abbotsford Honda that I drive by all the time. I will definately check it out over the weekend. RRat: I'll let you know if I do end up buying an AP2!

Cheers,
J

Test drive is the key.

[AhXian]

i just returned the lease on my z4m couple of months ago,
i can't speak for the maintenance part since it was under warranty for me
but heres what i think of the Z4M:
pros: nimble, pretty fast, easy to control, alot of features, interior is vey nice(leather, heated, gps, etc)
cons: very uncomfortable for long drives(my back will start hurts if i drive for more than an hour), manual transmision only(suffers from the CDV that causes jerky 1st to 2nd gear shift that some bmw have)

i have also drove my frd's s2k few times as well, the two cars have very very different feel. i find the s2k to be much more beasty and more raw power. but then again my frd's car is heavily modded. i can't speak for the miata, never driven one.

[RabidRat]

i just returned the lease on my z4m couple of months ago,
i can't speak for the maintenance part since it was under warranty for me
but heres what i think of the Z4M:
pros: nimble, pretty fast, easy to control, alot of features, interior is vey nice(leather, heated, gps, etc)
cons: very uncomfortable for long drives(my back will start hurts if i drive for more than an hour), manual transmision only(suffers from the CDV that causes jerky 1st to 2nd gear shift that some bmw have)

i have also drove my frd's s2k few times as well, the two cars have very very different feel. i find the s2k to be much more beasty and more raw power. but then again my frd's car is heavily modded. i can't speak for the miata, never driven one.

-the 04+ (AP2) has a clutch delay valve too
-the s2k also only comes in manual
-there's a typo in your post. i think you meant to file "manual only" under PRO.

so out of curiosity, what's next for you?

[too_slow]

i just returned the lease on my z4m couple of months ago,
i can't speak for the maintenance part since it was under warranty for me
but heres what i think of the Z4M:
pros: nimble, pretty fast, easy to control, alot of features, interior is vey nice(leather, heated, gps, etc)
cons: very uncomfortable for long drives(my back will start hurts if i drive for more than an hour), manual transmision only(suffers from the CDV that causes jerky 1st to 2nd gear shift that some bmw have)

i have also drove my frd's s2k few times as well, the two cars have very very different feel. i find the s2k to be much more beasty and more raw power. but then again my frd's car is heavily modded. i can't speak for the miata, never driven one.

Thanks for sharing! i'll definately test drive the S2k + Z4M before pulling the trigger..

[Great68]

If this is just a fun weekend highway car, you're going to want power. I would personally go with the Z4M.

Being able to pass pretty much anything you want with ease on 2 lane highways is awesome.

[achiam]

Z4M for sure. S2000 is really noisy, "feels" cheap, and yes -- the seats are quite uncomfortable for long distance driving.
Haven't sat in any Miata ever so can't say anything

[XtC-604]

-the 04+ (AP2) has a clutch delay valve too
-the s2k also only comes in manual
-there's a typo in your post. i think you meant to file "manual only" under PRO.

so out of curiosity, what's next for you?
Clutch Delay Valve can easily be removed, roughly 1hr job if its your first time.
And LOL, manual only is a pro :D keeps many retards away from owning the car as well :D
If this is just a fun weekend highway car, you're going to want power. I would personally go with the Z4M.

Being able to pass pretty much anything you want with ease on 2 lane highways is awesome.
Well said from a domestic owner :D little do you know, the S2000 actually has enough to pass most things on highway 1 easily :D

Z4M for sure. S2000 is really noisy, "feels" cheap, and yes -- the seats are quite uncomfortable for long distance driving.
Haven't sat in any Miata ever so can't say anything

Yep the S2000 is noisy, but so is any car with a rag top. Most of that you call noise is music to my ears, engine peaking to 8000+ revs. Z4M also does 8000 Revs. No reason to buy a miata really, when the comparison is to a Z4M and an S2000. If you want raw fun, S2000. If you want more comfort and more speed, Z4M.
Test drive both of them. The first time i drove the S2000, it's engine made me wet my pants :haha: so nimble, light, and responsive. Probably bold statement to say this: most fun and lightweight car under 50g. But i also like my friend's Spartan Black Z4M.

[tofu1413]

look harder for a 987. 986 boxster S'es arent bad actually...

driven a couple at work.. and theyre great for what they are.


too bad theyre still worth a shiny penny. i've seen some 996 conv's for less than 30k... maybe give those a look..? you cant resist the sound of a porsche when driving with a top down.

[gearshifter]

BMW for luxury and quality imo.
The biggest concern about the BMW is that maintenance cost would be slightly higher.

[Manic!]

There's something to be said about having a powered hardtop.

The SLK may look a little girlie but being able have the top down in the middle of winter and not feel could because of the neck scarf option is also a plus.

[RabidRat]

There's something to be said about having a powered hardtop.

The SLK may look a little girlie but being able have the top down in the middle of winter and not feel could because of the neck scarf option is also a plus.

the what now?

[Great68]

Well said from a domestic owner

Hahahaha. Funny because I drive an import about 99% of the year.



:D little do you know, the S2000 actually has enough to pass most things on highway 1 easily :D


Until you come up to that Z4M... or MS3...

[StylinRed]

The MX5

the s2000 is nice, but for me it just looks really old

the Z4 will seem old to other ppl since the new Z4 is out


the MX5 is new and it looks pretty sweet; after all its just a car to enjoy in the sun for fun.. you dont need the s2000, and the Z4 (+ they'll cost more to maintain) the miata comes pretty packed with features too in the GT model (the one with the hardtop)

anyway thats my opinion ^^



edit: but the Miata mx5 GT costs $40k+ ??? is the US version different? (woaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh way better deal in the usa... wth is mazda canada thinking)

[no_clue]

Well said from a domestic owner :D little do you know, the S2000 actually has enough to pass most things on highway 1 easily :D



Yep the S2000 is noisy, but so is any car with a rag top. Most of that you call noise is music to my ears, engine peaking to 8000+ revs. Z4M also does 8000 Revs. No reason to buy a miata really, when the comparison is to a Z4M and an S2000. If you want raw fun, S2000. If you want more comfort and more speed, Z4M.
Test drive both of them. The first time i drove the S2000, it's engine made me wet my pants :haha: so nimble, light, and responsive. Probably bold statement to say this: most fun and lightweight car under 50g. But i also like my friend's Spartan Black Z4M.

When you cruise on a highway in a S2000, do you know what RPM you are in? it is like 3800-4100. After 1 hour you will go nuts as it has virtually no sound proofing, 30 minutes if you have an aftermarket exhaust. S2000 are fun cars but is pretty much just a toy to use for fun, although a very reliable toy.

[AVS_Racing]

what about SC430? the design is starting to grow on me

http://cornerbalance.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/p211.jpg?w=600

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb250/bluesi808/art02.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb250/bluesi808/art01.jpg

lower + wheels + exhaust and ur set

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Hahahaha. Funny because I drive an import about 99% of the year.




Until you come up to that Z4M... or MS3...

arent ms3 around the same as S2k?

[Pt20]

personally I'd go with the S2K.. simply because I'm pretty money concious. If you're comfortable with dropping the few extra bucks then go for the bmw fsho

[too_slow]

look harder for a 987. 986 boxster S'es arent bad actually...

driven a couple at work.. and theyre great for what they are.


too bad theyre still worth a shiny penny. i've seen some 996 conv's for less than 30k... maybe give those a look..? you cant resist the sound of a porsche when driving with a top down.

I would love to own a convertible with a gangster flat 6 sound track! However, I do work for a large energy company with a HUGE focus on energy conservation. All the VPs and Supervisors roll around in cute little Priuses and Highlander Hybrids. I honestly don't think it is appropriate for me to cruise around in a gas-guzzling Porsche. :haha: With this in mind, I am straying away from the Z4M for the time being. I'm not overly concerned with maintenance costs, and I am well aware of the Inspection 2 costs. I mean you gotta pay to play right?

2010 MX5 GT PRHT is a 40k car. If you pay cash, it drops to $34k. There are a few demo 2010s going for $30-32k in the lower mainland. They won't budge to drop the price below $30k, so I will have to resort to importing one myself.

I drove a 2006 AP2 yesterday. I absolutely love rev-ving the crap out of this thing! I thought my old GTI with a R32 shifter was awesome, but the s2k unit puts my vw to uttershame. The soundtrack is amazing but I do notice the following:

-the car is effing loud (both with top up +down)
-the radio is pretty pathetic with the top down (the bose on the MX5 is actually surprisingly good)
-this thing needs a lot of revs to cruise between 120-130 (avg speed on the coq hwy)... from my recollection, a 6spd mx5 needs 3300rpm to cruise around 120-125.. the s2k needs even moAR

Oh, and I will not consider the SC430... It's a fricking boat, and it comes with an autotragic tranny (I will only drive an 'auto' if the unit is a DSG box)

[jpark]

z4-M would be probably be the best choice if you want to drop mad cash and receive comfort, speed, looks and status symbol, i really like s2k too but when i got a ride in my friends ap2, for a long drive, the cabin noise was really getting on my way. and yes the seats werent too comfortable either.. havnt been in a mx5 yet so cant say anything about that car

[Osaka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWnHPbUMlMU&playnext_from=TL&videos=2pxLwr_eUvw

[Great68]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWnHPbUMlMU&playnext_from=TL&videos=2pxLwr_eUvw

Big difference between a Z4-M, and the regular Z4 in the video...

[lonelydriver]

When you cruise on a highway in a S2000, do you know what RPM you are in? it is like 3800-4100. After 1 hour you will go nuts as it has virtually no sound proofing, 30 minutes if you have an aftermarket exhaust. S2000 are fun cars but is pretty much just a toy to use for fun, although a very reliable toy.

It is not bad as you think and you will get use to it. You would also be able to maintain a conversation with your passenger.

[tofu1413]

I would love to own a convertible with a gangster flat 6 sound track! However, I do work for a large energy company with a HUGE focus on energy conservation. All the VPs and Supervisors roll around in cute little Priuses and Highlander Hybrids. I honestly don't think it is appropriate for me to cruise around in a gas-guzzling Porsche. :haha: With this in mind, I am straying away from the Z4M for the time being. I'm not overly concerned with maintenance costs, and I am well aware of the Inspection 2 costs. I mean you gotta pay to play right?

2010 MX5 GT PRHT is a 40k car. If you pay cash, it drops to $34k. There are a few demo 2010s going for $30-32k in the lower mainland. They won't budge to drop the price below $30k, so I will have to resort to importing one myself.

I drove a 2006 AP2 yesterday. I absolutely love rev-ving the crap out of this thing! I thought my old GTI with a R32 shifter was awesome, but the s2k unit puts my vw to uttershame. The soundtrack is amazing but I do notice the following:

-the car is effing loud (both with top up +down)
-the radio is pretty pathetic with the top down (the bose on the MX5 is actually surprisingly good)
-this thing needs a lot of revs to cruise between 120-130 (avg speed on the coq hwy)... from my recollection, a 6spd mx5 needs 3300rpm to cruise around 120-125.. the s2k needs even moAR

Oh, and I will not consider the SC430... It's a fricking boat, and it comes with an autotragic tranny (I will only drive an 'auto' if the unit is a DSG box)

hmmm now im surprised no one ever mentioned domestics... you could pick up a Sky redline for under 30k nowadays... same goes for solstice (although the interior still looks cheap)

[XtC-604]

When you cruise on a highway in a S2000, do you know what RPM you are in? it is like 3800-4100. After 1 hour you will go nuts as it has virtually no sound proofing, 30 minutes if you have an aftermarket exhaust. S2000 are fun cars but is pretty much just a toy to use for fun, although a very reliable toy.
yes actually i do know what RPM im @, partly because i drive it to SFU quite often. at 130, im doing 4300rpms in 6th. And ive been able to have a steady conversation with friend in the car without having to raise my voice.
hmmm now im surprised no one ever mentioned domestics... you could pick up a Sky redline for under 30k nowadays... same goes for solstice (although the interior still looks cheap)
Partly because the image associated with domestics are still shit. Not to mention where the hell would you get your car fixed under warranty? as there is no pontiac now or saturn?

[Great68]

Not to mention where the hell would you get your car fixed under warranty? as there is no pontiac now or saturn?

Uhhh, pretty much ANY GM dealership...

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^

what he said

GM covers them all

[q0192837465]

I think the Sky looks really good. But I dunno if there's anything with the roof but almost all the Skys I see have very wrinkly/loose roof. Maybe it's just me.

[Marioo1991]

the saturn sky would probably be sluggish... its pretty heavy and doesnt have a lot of power...

[Fafine]

M POWA!

[too_slow]

^Err.. WTF

I really want to like the Sky! But the seats aren't that comfy.. The top is manual (you need to get out of the car to close it).. On a MX5 soft-top, you can do it from the drivers seat.. And the boot is stupidly small.. In a MX5 I can store a carry-on and a small laptop bag.. In a Sky, I can barely fit a laptop bag in it!!

not to mention, ppl want crazy money for the Sky Redline (see the silver RS ad).. The funny thing is, the guy lives in the same neighborhood as me..

[tofu1413]

sky redline still looks the best out of all the listed convertibles imo...


(and it wont be sluggish either.. 260hp 2.4 direct injected turbo! )

should give a couple calls around town to look for one


do an opel conversion... ;)

[too_slow]

It's actually a 2.0T ecotec engine
The NA 2.4 engine is torquey, but isn't anywhere near as rev-happy as the MX5 and S2k..

And the trunk is an issue for me since I can barely fit anything for my trips from kelowna/vancouver.. :(

[tofu1413]

isnt there some kind of roof rack option for those cars...?? ahhaha

[q0192837465]

isnt there some kind of roof rack option for those cars...?? ahhaha

lol, on a soft top?

[tofu1413]

i believe there was..

i think it mounted on the area ABOVE the trunk. if i recall..

[RabidRat]

i can't believe you guys are complaining about cabin noise in the s2k. especially with a stock exhaust. have i accidentally logged onto tea-time.net? you should all buy a lexus and be done with it :p

[XtC-604]

i can't believe you guys are complaining about cabin noise in the s2k. especially with a stock exhaust. have i accidentally logged onto tea-time.net? you should all buy a lexus and be done with it :p

Exactly lol. It has about the same noise level as a late 80s early 90s japanese car.

[Marioo1991]

sky redline still looks the best out of all the listed convertibles imo...


(and it wont be sluggish either.. 260hp 2.4 direct injected turbo! )

should give a couple calls around town to look for one


do an opel conversion... ;)

i was referring to the one with 17x hp, i know the red line would be better, but isnt it much more pricy than the other cars considered?

[josel_atr]

OP get an s2k and call it a day.

[Marioo1991]

OP get an s2k and call it a day.

I would vote s2k too but not if its going to mainly be a highway cruiser... nothing worse than a loud car on the highway

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

OP get an s2k and call it a day.

or just buy a car and call it a day

[josel_atr]

for the record, when i had a 350z roadster, i dont remember road noise/loudness during cruising. i took it down to seattle a few times. all i heard was its quiet exhaust note that we all know about.

[AzNightmare]

After reading a bunch of comments, it seems like OP's actually leaning more to the practicality of the MX-5,
but trying to see if people here can give him reasons why the other cars are better. :D

But I'm a Miata fan... lol

[Great68]

^ This is supposed to be a weekend fun car.

Practicality is for daily drivers.

[too_slow]

LOL, you got me there!

I only threw in the S2k because it was my favorite car back in highschool, and I envied everyone that got one for their gr12 graduation present :(

I really like the MX5 and the Z4M. They're on completely different ends of the spectrum. For those that call the MX5 'GAY' and 'WEAKSAUCE' : you clearly have never driven one before.

I drive with the flow of traffic, and I don't speed in public (LOL). My MPS6 is far from slow or boring, and I have always wanted a nimble roadster as a second car.

[RabidRat]

LOL, you got me there!

I only threw in the S2k because it was my favorite car back in highschool, and I envied everyone that got one for their gr12 graduation present :(

I really like the MX5 and the Z4M. They're on completely different ends of the spectrum. For those that call the MX5 'GAY' and 'WEAKSAUCE' : you clearly have never driven one before.

I drive with the flow of traffic, and I don't speed in public (LOL). My MPS6 is far from slow or boring, and I have always wanted a nimble roadster as a second car.

Haha the s2k was probably one of my least favorite cars back in highschool. I couldn't figure out why Honda wanted $55,000 for a car with 240hp.

[FerrariEnzo]

just go test drive if your really serious..

unless you ask people WHO acutally owned one of the cars, otherwise is pointless. It all comes down to which one you like. Doesnt really matter if we this car A.. if you have your heart set on car B, then get it.

all i have to say is jsut test drive and see which one you like..

[Vulgate]

For the value and fun factor and low maintenance, go for the MX-5 PRHT.
As for power, yes, relatively to other cars on your list, its is lower, but really for such a light car, 170HP is way more than enough.
I have no issues with driving my NC on the highway with 170HP. Yes it is a bit noisy and boomy but it is a convertible. And in the city, 170HP is more than enough. Finally, with simple Pro-kit/Mazdaspeed spring and RX-8 sway upgrade, it handles so well and looks fantastic.
There is no pretentious with the Miata. It is what it is.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Haha the s2k was probably one of my least favorite cars back in highschool. I couldn't figure out why Honda wanted $55,000 for a car with 240hp.

blame canada's gay ass system

thought it was $47 not $55

oh well, watever

down in the states when they were still selling, the price was much more reasonable than the shit we get here.

[RabidRat]

blame canada's gay ass system

thought it was $47 not $55

oh well, watever

down in the states when they were still selling, the price was much more reasonable than the shit we get here.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall going to honda.ca to settle an argument, and finding that it was something like $54,500 MSRP hahaha.

[ShyGuy]

Z4M by far! z4m maintenance isn't THAT bad. It needs a valve adjustment every 40-50K KM's and that's where the bulk of the money goes. It's actually an easy job to do yourself. You must use the castrol 10w60 oil though (liquid gold $$$).

I really think the z4m will outhandle the s2000 and pass it easily in the straights...The seats ARE very uncomfortable though for long drives.

[flagella]

I could be wrong but I seem to recall going to honda.ca to settle an argument, and finding that it was something like $54,500 MSRP hahaha.

I just remember WIHOUT a single option, after tax came to about 59k. But those were just Honda.ca online pricing though. I'm sure if you walked into the dealership, it should be a lot lower, but still, it's retarded how much more expensive the cars are here in Canada.

[600rr]

No offense but you sound like a grandma looking for abit of excitement. Miata should be your only option.

I don't think you'd appreciate the raw design of an S2000 nor appreciate the details of a Z4 from what you describe you need it for. Nevermind that its lines are much sexier than a new miata. i find rx8s awkward but id choose its styling over any miata.

Your purpose of a nimble weekend roadster is a clear contrary to what a roadster is. You want cheap maintenance/practical/not noisy/comfy. I suppose you also want a few extra cupholders with that too.

[freakshow]

No offense but this thread is half a year old.

[too_slow]

No offense but you sound like a grandma looking for abit of excitement. Miata should be your only option.

I don't think you'd appreciate the raw design of an S2000 nor appreciate the details of a Z4 from what you describe you need it for. Nevermind that its lines are much sexier than a new miata. i find rx8s awkward but id choose its styling over any miata.

Your purpose of a nimble weekend roadster is a clear contrary to what a roadster is. You want cheap maintenance/practical/not noisy/comfy. I suppose you also want a few extra cupholders with that too.

Before you respond to a thread, you should probably read the OP carefully first. Otherwise, you'll come off as retard and a super-deucebag.

BTW, I wouldn't call the Z4 a work of art either. The creases on the door bugs me to no end. Also, you make the Z4 sound like it's a Rolls-Royce or smth. The interior is pretty drab and has acres of shitty plastics. I threw this car in the mix because I love the driving dynamics of it and I love the super-high-revving I6 without being extremely flashy.

By the way, I'm not the one that's so insecure that I need to be rolling in the cheapest BMW with a roundel badge. A 10 yr old 323i with no HIDs and fogs.. seriously?
I would be embarassed to flaunt that as my DP.. LOL

[RollingStone]

s2k!

[mmmk]

my ex had a miata and my friend has a s2k...in the driver's seat, i felt cramped in both of them and i'm 5'7", slim build.

i think it would be uncomfortable to ride from kelowna to vancouver or vice versa.

i cannot comment on the z4m, but i'd pick that one over the 2 that i've mentioned

[RangeRover]

I think they are all terrible but if I had to pick I would get the BMW I guess..

Why don't you just get a Bentley?

[buddha1]

the Z4m is sick!! :drool

[buddha1]

No offense but you sound like a grandma looking for abit of excitement. Miata should be your only option.

I don't think you'd appreciate the raw design of an S2000 nor appreciate the details of a Z4 from what you describe you need it for. Nevermind that its lines are much sexier than a new miata. i find rx8s awkward but id choose its styling over any miata.

Your purpose of a nimble weekend roadster is a clear contrary to what a roadster is. You want cheap maintenance/practical/not noisy/comfy. I suppose you also want a few extra cupholders with that too.

:facepalm:

[Hakkaboy]

honestly if road noise is such a concern, why are you looking for a roadster?

anyways, regarding the s2000 seats, i drove my ap2 down on a roadtrip that consisted of about 9 driving days of anywhere from 4 to 11 hours, and my back was perfectly fine?

the only thing i would recommend is removing your wallet from your backpocket if you're planning on driving longer than 1 hr.

and the weak radio can be easily remedied by getting a new head unit. that will also reduce the road noise ;)

anyways, sincse this thread is old, not sure if you already bought a new car, but based on what you've said so far, the newer miata's w/ the powered hardtop sounds like your best bet

[suzuka84]

s2k

[too_slow]

Thanks for the post Hakkaboy. No, I haven't bought a car yet. I'm quite content with my MSP6 at the moment.

I'm waiting till Jan when people are poor from Xmas and needs to get rid of their toys! I'll go in for the kill then :)

So far, I am leaning towards the 06/07 Z4 3.0si 6spd manual in Montego blue + black interior. My only mods will be stickey summer tires and an exhaust (thinking about a Remus one..)