[Alphamale]

I think this is a particularly sweet set of photos.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/vietnam_35_years_later.html

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/vietnam_05_07/v19_00000031.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/vietnam_05_07/v37_00000030.jpg

[Vansterdam]

awesome post.

seeing the viet cong tunnels first hand and how small they were shows you the crazy mobility they had.

that and the m16 sucked

but the war was fucked

[Meowjin]

cochi tunnels are legit...

the made the tunnels bigger for tourists.... here is my fat ass trying to go through

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2577/147/33/510689332/n510689332_1432197_177441.jpg

[Bouncing Bettys]

that and the m16 sucked
yeah my dad wished he could have used the m14 he had in basic

my mom has tried to talk him into going back to visit but he isn't ready. understandably there are certain memories he'd rather not revisit.

[JSALES]

wow, just wow. such powerful pictures.

[Kim Jong Un]

Stunning pictures.

[tonyvu]

damn, my dad was only a kid when this happened...

[Vansterdam]

i thought my family were all american supporters, but a summer vacation turns out we were all viet cong/supporters

heard some preety crazy stories

[rymack]

I went to the war museum in Hanoi. Pretty moving to see some of the effects of that war in the photo's they had there. If you are ever in Hanoi ( nice city actually) make sure you go there.

[sas]

odd, i just finished watching: vietnam a television history. Question to vietnamese revscene members: how divided was the country and how strong was the south politically? the documentary painted the south as a un organized group and lacking any real motivation to fight. True?
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[Tegra_Devil]

great pics!

[murd0c]

cochi tunnels are legit...

the made the tunnels bigger for tourists.... here is my fat ass trying to go through

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2577/147/33/510689332/n510689332_1432197_177441.jpg

wow i'm actually shocked that you are white.

[rien]

Accidently posted

[Tegra_Devil]

wow i'm actually shocked that you are white.

cause people with greek heritage cant be white? haha :p

[sleazyho]

those pics blew me away. just shows you how violent war really is

[PDKGD3]

cochi tunnels are legit...

the made the tunnels bigger for tourists.... here is my fat ass trying to go through

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2577/147/33/510689332/n510689332_1432197_177441.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l268/filbypott/enigma.jpg

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/cd/Amigara.jpg

[twitchyzero]

'Nam was a failure for the western countries cause you cannot win guerilla warfare on foreign soil

[tool001]

thanks US for fucking up almost every part of the world, in one way or another..

[LiquidTurbo]

The 'mood' of those pictures is incredible.

[CP.AR]

the desensitized modern day teenager (due to stuff like COD:MW) should see the full set of photos the Vietnam war generated - including all the disgusting, gross, horrifying of the devastating effects of Napalms.

High schools should just pull a surprise assembly and show the pictures. Kids these days think of war as "cool" and mentally link them with the thought that "in a war, death is clean, bodies are removed immediately from play and there are no repurcussions"

no joke - go talk to some grade 8-9 kid what they think about war and that's pretty much the answer you will get

[fishing666]

what was that war about anyways.
why do we still have wars?

[BinsentoW]

those american soldiers all look so young. Like 16ish.

[shawn79]

Went on vacation to japan last year and majority of the people that went as well were Vietnamese people from the states. Hearing their war stories and escaping to north america was :crybaby:

[HonestTea]

Touching pictures :(

[iwantaskyline]

i thought my family were all american supporters, but a summer vacation turns out we were all viet cong/supporters

heard some preety crazy stories

I don't understand how any Vietnamese people can support the Americans. They dropped more bombs on Vietnam then all the bombs they used on Germany and Japan in WW2. Thats a fact and it includes the two nukes.

Here's an article about how the war still affects people in Laos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mike-honda/vietnam-war-continues-in_b_558370.html

75 million bombs still remain in Laos due to American bombing campaigns during the war.

[Meowjin]

I don't understand how any Vietnamese people can support the Americans. They dropped more bombs on Vietnam then all the bombs they used on Germany and Japan in WW2. Thats a fact and it includes the two nukes.

Because there were 2 factions of vietnamese people.

If anything viet-cong soldiers and cambodians hate americans. Also vietnamese arn't really mad at americans anymore, although the chinese they fucking hate. The chinese probably did more damage after the war than what the americans did.

[Alphamale]

I don't understand how any Vietnamese people can support the Americans. They dropped more bombs on Vietnam then all the bombs they used on Germany and Japan in WW2. Thats a fact and it includes the two nukes.

Here's an article about how the war still affects people in Laos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mike-honda/vietnam-war-continues-in_b_558370.html

75 million bombs still remain in Laos due to American bombing campaigns during the war.

Most of the Southern Vietnamese that I, personally, know in Vancouver HATE the VC and are supporters of Americans during the Vietnam war. What is the common accord for such an alliance? Try having your property taken away from you along with all your civil liberties. You don't know how bad it is until your freedom is taken from you for purposes dictated as "the greater good" and where your closest friends, family, and intellectuals that you know are brought to labour camps and brainwashed to believe in communism.

Like previously mentioned, a lot of these "boat people" have somber stories of hardship to get to Canada and their reasons were all to escape the clutches a collective state.

However, the people from the original North seem to be rather indifferent to living under communism or, at the very least, more appreciative and able to see the benefits of democracy they have here in Canada.

[iwantaskyline]

Because there were 2 factions of vietnamese people.

If anything viet-cong soldiers and cambodians hate americans. Also vietnamese arn't really mad at americans anymore, although the chinese they fucking hate. The chinese probably did more damage after the war than what the americans did.

And where did you get this from? Vietnam and China have always had good relations. Yes there was a brief war between Vietnam and China after the the US left but compared to the damage the Americans did via bombing it was nothing.

The so called saviors who were going to rid the Vietnamese people of communism decided to use chemical defoliants or more commonly known as Agent Orange on the North. 12,000,000 gallons of Agent Orange was sprayed across the North. Since then 4,000,000 Vietnamese have died due to that. Here's another one, the US Air Force sprayed 20,000,000 gallons of herbicides over 6,000,000 acres of crops and trees. Guess they were thinking getting cancer and giving birth to a kid with one leg was better then being communist eh.

Here's a picture of these great hero's freeing the Vietnamese of communism:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg

[Alphamale]

^Are you Vietnamese?

[iwantaskyline]

^Are you Vietnamese?

Yes and my parents are both from the South and both grandpas fought for the Americans.

[Meowjin]

And where did you get this from? Vietnam and China have always had good relations. Yes there was a brief war between Vietnam and China after the the US left but compared to the damage the Americans did via bombing it was nothing.

The so called saviors who were going to rid the Vietnamese people of communism decided to use chemical defoliants or more commonly known as Agent Orange on the North. 12,000,000 gallons of Agent Orange was sprayed across the North. Since then 4,000,000 Vietnamese have died due to that. Here's another one, the US Air Force sprayed 20,000,000 gallons of herbicides over 6,000,000 acres of crops and trees. Guess they were thinking getting cancer and giving birth to a kid with one leg was better then being communist eh.

Here's a picture of these great hero's freeing the Vietnamese of communism:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg

The info is straight from several vietnamese people I've met in vietnam.

Infact I remember an instance where I was inbetween dalat on my way to nha trang.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/3524496365_16525565cf_b.jpg

(how I travelled around in vietnam.

We stopped for coffee at a little stand, and most vietnamese people I met were super nice and had alot of questions, thats where I met the most insane man I've ever met in my life. He was an ex vietcong soldier (still wore his uniform for some reason) and was wasted. He was asking me questions (in vietnamese) and I asked him, "are you still mad at americans?" he replied that americans are ok now, but alot of chinese especially in the north HATE the chinese. This held true to most if not all vietnamese people I asked. Infact the border wasn't reopened to china until 1999 and wasn't made official till 2009.

Again i'm basing this off my experiences in nam. In a month in a half I travelled to 16 different cities, and 50 small villages, from south to north.

[Alphamale]

@iwantaskyline

What do they have to say about the Americans and the war in general?

[iwantaskyline]

The info is straight from several vietnamese people I've met in vietnam.

Infact I remember an instance where I was inbetween dalat on my way to nha trang.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/3524496365_16525565cf_b.jpg

(how I travelled around in vietnam.

We stopped for coffee at a little stand, and most vietnamese people I met were super nice and had alot of questions, thats where I met the most insane man I've ever met in my life. He was an ex vietcong soldier (still wore his uniform for some reason) and was wasted. He was asking me questions (in vietnamese) and I asked him, "are you still mad at americans?" he replied that americans are ok now, but alot of chinese especially in the north HATE the chinese. This held true to most if not all vietnamese people I asked. Infact the border wasn't reopened to china until 1999 and wasn't made official till 2009.

I thought you were Greek? You can speak Vietnamese?

I guess thats true. China invaded the North shortly after the US left, I can understand the resentment. But you've probably never spoken to the kid born with one leg because of the chemical warfare the Americans used. I'm probably a bit biased since one side of my family is chinese.

[iwantaskyline]

@iwantaskyline

What do they have to say about the Americans and the war in general?

They hate the Communist government. But during that time there was a lot of propaganda thrown around by the Americans obviously. Things like VietCong soldiers murdering civilians etc etc. I'm not saying the VietCong are saints but my view of them isn't as bad as how I view the Americans. My grandpa was in jail for a year just because he was a soldier for the south.

They hate Ho Chi Minh. Probably just because he was the head of the communist state. I don't mind him, he kicked out the French, Japanese and the American's. Not literally but you know what I mean.

They have so-so feelings towards the Americans. A lot of my relatives moved to the states after the war only because they had relatives who were southern soldiers. But you have to know these people in the South didn't know about the chemicals the Americans used on the North or the amount of bombs that were dropped.

My parent's were pretty young during the war so they probably don't have a lot of resentment but both grandpas obviously hate the North.

[Greenstoner]

powerful pic indeed

[LiquidTurbo]

Birth defects resulting from Agent Orange

NSFW



http://www.foxriverwatch.com/agent-orange4.jpg

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/21/Agent-orange-deformities-vietnam.jpg/250px-Agent-orange-deformities-vietnam.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com/users/linzstoker/asia.1177325820.07.jpg

http://vned.free.fr/images/vietnam_0312.jpg



All due to Agent Orange. Crazy shit.

[Ludepower]

u guys need to read up on ho chi minh...one of the greatest leaders of our time...defeated the French and Americans.

about the north vs south and communism issue...who are the americans to tell a country what they should and shouldn't do..let them fight it amongst themselves. 75000 Americans died...5 million vietnamese (majority civilians)...and the ongoin birth defects from agent orange affecting kids till this day.

i get pissed off thinking how many people lost their lives over this needles war....and for what?
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[hotong]

4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to Agent Orange, resulting in 400,000 deaths and disabilities, and 500,000 children born with birth defects.

[CorneringArtist]

the desensitized modern day teenager (due to stuff like COD:MW) should see the full set of photos the Vietnam war generated - including all the disgusting, gross, horrifying of the devastating effects of Napalms.

High schools should just pull a surprise assembly and show the pictures. Kids these days think of war as "cool" and mentally link them with the thought that "in a war, death is clean, bodies are removed immediately from play and there are no repurcussions"

no joke - go talk to some grade 8-9 kid what they think about war and that's pretty much the answer you will get

I couldn't wait to learn about Vietnam in History 12 last semester at my school. Although I had some background awareness of how devastating the war was, it was still a lesson that showed me why they lost the war both at home and in Vietnam.

My history teacher told my class a story that he happened to teach the same lesson to a couple of American students in his class a few years ago. What THEY were taught in American high school is that the US actually WON the war. My teacher had one question for them: "If the US won the war, then why is Vietnam communist?". One student broke into tears trying to explain how the US won, and another outright denied it. I honestly have NO idea where the Americans being successful in 'Nam came from.

The war was extremely unjust and showed how stupid American politicians are when it comes to foreign intervention. My Vietnamese friends' parents say that they absolutely hate the North.

And those 12 year olds that play war games and are de-sensitized to actual war need to go suck a fucking nut. They think that they're big shit because they can virtually kill someone. I play MW2 as recreation to let off steam after a long day or a rugby practice. The kiddies play because they likely believe that its like having an actual war. I'm sorry, does the US Army ACTUALLY arm soldiers with a magic device that lets them pick claymores and M203 rounds off of ENEMY bodies? Does the Army also put eight snipers with anti-armor rifles on a single squad? And with CoD: Black Ops having some missions in Vietnam, God help us if they think that napalm is "so fucking 1337 cos it burnz thingszz".

[LiquidTurbo]

^
Wow are you serious? Epic Facepalm.

If anyone's interested in reading, check out the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The Vietnam War was started on a false pretext.

The suffering of both Vietnamese Soldiers and Civilians and American soldiers was incredible...

[JV6]

thanks for sharing

[Boostslut]

Great pictures, some good reads here forsure too! Thanks for posting!

[murd0c]

cause people with greek heritage cant be white? haha :p

Greeks come in all sorts of colors lol. But truthfully I didn't pay much attention to the greek part LOL

[twitchyzero]

thx iwantaskyline

I thought i knew all the basics of the Nam war but this is the first time hearing about Agent Orange.

RIP to those who suffered from it.

[LiquidTurbo]

^

People to this day suffer from the effects of Agent Orange.. guess who manufactured it? Monsanto!

[124Y]

Very powerful pictures indeed.

[Meowjin]

They had to pay a lot of repirations...
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[Vansterdam]

wow alot of interesting stuff reading this thread.

i found some facts said here to be outright BS that pisses me off and some that I cant help but agree on.


the only thing i remember in terms of spending time in the deep south jungles of vietnam.

most people agreed that the people/soldiers that actually fought FOR the americans side were the ones who believed that doing so would end up in "huge wealth".

and also the majority of american supporters were mostly home/land owners that lived AROUND main streets/highways (keep in mind most of south vietnam WAS and still today full of jungle and ghetto ass streets/highways) but majority was still preety poor and undeveloped)


most people believed the americans were preety much coming in vietnam to try and take their land away... so in sense they all believed they were fighting to "unite and form one vietnam.. and also keep the intruders away from their homeland



keep in mind this is what i learnt while i was on vacation in the south

[scottsman]

i found some facts said here to be outright BS that pisses me off and some that I cant help but agree on.

:thumbsup: agreed

First of all I am not Vietnamese however it is funny that people who were on vacation met some random Vietnamese and seem to think that those comments are worth posting as a mind set/opinion of a majority.

[Meowjin]

:thumbsup: agreed

First of all I am not Vietnamese however it is funny that people who were on vacation met some random Vietnamese and seem to think that those comments are worth posting as a mind set/opinion of a majority.

I didn't know sharing experiences was wrong. I said after my post that this is what I observed.

For the record I had a harder time in tokyo as a white guy than in vietnam.

[iwantaskyline]

wow alot of interesting stuff reading this thread.

i found some facts said here to be outright BS that pisses me off and some that I cant help but agree on.


the only thing i remember in terms of spending time in the deep south jungles of vietnam.

most people agreed that the people/soldiers that actually fought FOR the americans side were the ones who believed that doing so would end up in "huge wealth".

and also the majority of american supporters were mostly home/land owners that lived AROUND main streets/highways (keep in mind most of south vietnam WAS and still today full of jungle and ghetto ass streets/highways) but majority was still preety poor and undeveloped)


most people believed the americans were preety much coming in vietnam to try and take their land away... so in sense they all believed they were fighting to "unite and form one vietnam.. and also keep the intruders away from their homeland



keep in mind this is what i learnt while i was on vacation in the south

Which facts are BS?

I know many people believe the VietCong were all soldiers from the north but the vast majority were all from the South. Some of the things the Americans did were outright acts of terrorism. But they said it was war so I guess it makes everything alright, just like how terrorists declare Jihad agaisnt the Americans and call it acts of war.