[Vansterdam]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/53287--marc-emery-turns-himself-in-justice-minister-signs-off-on-extradition

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Marc Emery, Vancouver's so-called "Prince of Pot" has surrendered at B.C. Supreme Court to await his extradition to the United States. Canada's Justice Minister has signed off on the extradition, ending much chance of any more delays.


Emery held a short demonstration earlier today, hoping strong public support would convince Canada's justice minister to keep him in this country. He has pleaded guilty to U.S. drug charges surrounding his online seed-selling business and he has agreed to a five-year prison term in the States.

It's not clear when Emery will be sent to the U.S., but Emery's lawyer Kirk Tousaw says he expects it will happen within the week, once some documentation is completed.

We've had access to a briefing memo sent to the federal justice minister, detailing how a U.S. federal drug agent worked in Canada to secure American charges against Emery. The same memo also shows thousands of letters of support have been sent to the government urging it not to extradite Emery.

He hopes the letters prove that extraditing him could be a huge mistake. "There is absolutely no public support for this extradition and conversely there is millions of people opposed to it, both in America and Canada. So I believe the government will be punished by their decision if it's the wrong one."

Tousaw says the fight against drug laws won't stop. "The idea someone should shut up and go quietly into the night in the face of really overwhelming injustice not just in Mr. Emery's case but in the case of all people being incarcerated for marijuana offences I find shocking, un-democratic, and un-Canadian."

[m!chael]

I guess at least he manned up to it. He did break the law you know..

[00EM1]

There's a diffrence beetween a criminal and a martyr

I hope Mark isnt seen or rememberd as a criminal, because he has helped paved the way for our freedom to enjoy pot
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[fishing666]

good..justice served

[RTS]

Sell drugs, go to jail. It's a pretty simple concept.

[johny]

wasn't he supoosed to go a year ago?.... our justice system is so slow.

[Hondaracer]

wasn't he supoosed to go a year ago?.... our justice system is so slow.

That's what I thought too as there was the big stink before I thought he was already extradided..

Anyways IMO he goes about his push the completely wrong way and he will never gain the public support he needs, he associates himself with skids and junkies and he thinks when some guy with a leather jacket with weed patches on it and 4 nose rings shows up in support that that's the ticket to convincing the government of Canada to allow him to stay?

Get some high profile credible people on your side, even if their not smokers, get away from the skids and losers and try to potray a credible image to the public then maybe people will listen
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[cdizzle_996]

His laywer, Kirk Tousaw was my lawyer 3 years ago. I was his first case in Canada.

[Sid Vicious]

good..justice served

Sell drugs, go to jail. It's a pretty simple concept.

archaic drug laws and the people that support them show how ass backwards and stupid you are

todays drug laws are 1965 jim crow laws, and one day people will be enlightened enough to realize it

[m!chael]

archaic drug laws and the people that support them show how ass backwards and stupid you are

todays drug laws are 1965 jim crow laws, and one day people will be enlightened enough to realize it

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.

[Graeme S]

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.
Given the fact that Marijuana is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Pot than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy booze, but any dealer will sell him pot if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".

[Sid Vicious]

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

[Lomac]

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090202175105.htm

It's about a long term preliminary study that was in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. Does that help?

No, it's not a definitive finding but it certainly marks a possible trend between heavy marijuana use in teens and developing brains.

[Sid Vicious]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090202175105.htm

It's about a long term preliminary study that was in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. Does that help?

No, it's not a definitive finding but it certainly marks a possible trend between heavy marijuana use in teens and developing brains.

Sound's like a legit study..
"Among other limitations of the study, such as a small sample size, five of the 14 subjects with heavy cannabis use also had a history of alcohol abuse, which may have contributed an effect. Also, it is possible that the brain abnormalities may have predisposed the subjects to drug dependence, rather than drug usage causing the brain abnormalities."

Right from your article...

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[Lomac]

Sound's like a legit study..
"Among other limitations of the study, such as a small sample size, five of the 14 subjects with heavy cannabis use also had a history of alcohol abuse, which may have contributed an effect. Also, it is possible that the brain abnormalities may have predisposed the subjects to drug dependence, rather than drug usage causing the brain abnormalities."

Right from your article...

Yeah, I read that. It's why I mentioned the study is merely preliminary and possibly marks a trend.

Studies of this nature are hard to do. Canada has only done a handful of small sample sized studies, mainly to determine medicinal values of marijuana. The USA still classifies the drug as a Schedule 1 drug, which means that even though it's possible, it's still very hard for scientists to conduct controlled long term studies to determine if there are actual side effects.

[Graeme S]

Oh, and a serious aside too--does anyone know why seeds are legal but EVERYTHING else isn't? Anyone got any ideas?

[m!chael]

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.

Given the fact that Marijuana is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Pot than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy booze, but any dealer will sell him pot if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".

You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.

[Hondaracer]

Oh, and a serious aside too--does anyone know why seeds are legal but EVERYTHING else isn't? Anyone got any ideas?

your average stoner is too lazy to see the process through? :D

[Graeme S]

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.



You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.
A majority of people who want to legalize something have generally dabbled in it. Their personal experiences have driven them to desire to be able to get it without fear of repercussions. I would expect most convicted pedophiles would like to get pedophelia legalized as well, no?

Your parallel may not be as apt as you think though, as pedophelia seems to be a deviant sexual fetish--an innate desire (though highly flawed) and not entirely similar to pot, an aquired recreational tendency.


I understand what you're saying about "legalizing it making it seem like it's ok", but the fact that lack of disapproval indicates explicit approval is oversimplifying things--and that's something I think the law does too much.

Rather than simply banning all substances, and thereby allowing anyone who has enough desire to get them be able to, why not regulate everything more strictly? The less you make legal, the more you can't control. If you say "You can't do that", people will find ways around it. If you provide them restricted ways, then they will be more willing to follow you in those ways.

Of course there will be people who slip through the cracks and end up addicts and potheads and the like--but with a strictly regulated industry, it will be far more limited than it is now.

[Sid Vicious]

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.



You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.

In your pedophilia example, you claimed that Marc Emery should have used legitimate tactics such as lobbying...what do you think was the purpose of forming the BC Marijuana party? You used a terrible example and failed at it.

And SMH if you don't believe legalizing marijuana will remove all aspects of crime associated with it. When's the last time you bought beer illegally from a drug dealer? When was the last time illegal alcohol trafficking gangs fought over territory?

The fact is, if you support the war on drugs your supporting the thousands of lives and millions of dollars wasted fighting it. Not to mention the overcrowded penal system. If the extension of an intrusive nanny state is okay with you, then you are both a fool and weak.

[m!chael]

In your pedophilia example, you claimed that Marc Emery should have used legitimate tactics such as lobbying...what do you think was the purpose of forming the BC Marijuana party? You used a terrible example and failed at it.

And SMH if you don't believe legalizing marijuana will remove all aspects of crime associated with it. When's the last time you bought beer illegally from a drug dealer? When was the last time illegal alcohol trafficking gangs fought over territory?

The fact is, if you support the war on drugs your supporting the thousands of lives and millions of dollars wasted fighting it. Not to mention the overcrowded penal system. If the extension of an intrusive nanny state is okay with you, then you are both a fool and weak.

Is the marijuana party the reason he's going to jail and what this article is written about? I think the marijuana party is a great idea, lobbying for things in the proper manner. Selling seeds to a country where it's illegal is not so much. See what I did there.

Again dude, keeping things illegal means that crime will occur. But we shouldn't be weak and legalize everything just because it will otherwise occur in the form of a crime. Some things are worth fighting for, and keeping drugs illegal is one of them in my opinion. Understandably you might have a different opinion, you have that right.

Each country has its own systems, governments, whatever. When you are born in that country or move there you basically sign a social contract. If you have a problem with an intrusive nanny state, move to a place where the government gives fuck all. Maybe somewhere in Africa perhaps? The way Canada is set up is what makes it the best country on earth. Can't have your cake and eat it too brah

[Yuffa]

Isn't drug testing an issue with legalizing pot too? How do you tell if a guy smoke and drive?

[StealthFighter]

field sobriety test. they don't just check for alcohol intoxication.

[PiuYi]

i was too lazy to read the article, but for those who did, can someone tell me why ecstasy is so far down?? i thought it'd be at least higher than alcohol... LSD too..

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[fishing666]

how is the level of harm judged?

is it a relative number to the userbase or is just 1 big flat number

[simsimi1004]

eitherway, its a drug that is harmful.

[TheKingdom2000]

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

lolz, exactly.. everyone's taking stats!!
I was thinking the same thing.

WHERE'S THE DATA ???

and it's pot? it's legal in other places in the world... so it should be here.
and i've talked to a lot of people who have never smoked pot before...
they said even it were legal, they wouldn't smoke it.
and making it legal doesn't make it any more accessible.. everyone knows where to get pot.. everyone has at least one person they know.

personally, it's interesting to try.. but, after a couple times you don't feel the need to do it anymore...i do know some pot heads though

[TheKingdom2000]

eitherway, its a drug that is harmful.

alcohol is a drug that is harmful...

[Bouncing Bettys]

how is the level of harm judged?

does the level of harm factor in the manner of consumption? with marijuana, you can save your lungs by baking it into food or taking it in pill form.

[ericthehalfbee]

Good riddance I say.

Marc Emery is an idiot. He broke the law. Worse, he knew he was breaking the law and he was "challenging" the US by being so brazen about it. Maybe he should go to the Middle East and sell seeds and then whine when they want to execute him.

You don't break the laws in another country just because "it's legal where I live".

I remember when he was arrested in Saskatchewan and made the statement that it was safe to drive while high, and certainly not as bad to drive under the influence of pot as compared to alcohol. Yeah right, we all know smoking pot has absolutely no affect on your reaction times. :rolleyes:

And this is the kind of person people are defending? Or the kind of person you want to be your spokesperson? I would think advocates of pot would want to see him go so they could get someone else with half a brain to represent them.

[b0unce. [?]]

we had some discussion in school a while ago about legalizing drugs and stuff
they should just legalize pot, i mean if people WANT pot, they are gonna find a way to get it regardless. i mean if you REALLY wanted something, you'll find a way to make it happen.

[xpl0sive]

^ so where do you draw the line? is someone REALLY wants crack or heroin, they can get it too. should we legalize ALL the drugs becasue people will buy them regardless?

[unit]

i was too lazy to read the article, but for those who did, can someone tell me why ecstasy is so far down?? i thought it'd be at least higher than alcohol... LSD too..

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prob b/c weed is usually smoked and produces carcinogens.
bullshit tho. ecstasy is far more harmful. its not hard to od on e.
2 becomes 3, 3 becomes 4, 4 becomes 5, etc....
it takes a noticeable toll on your body.

[MG1]

So where would you put addiction to RS? It has probably harmed a lot of people, although I love it. LOL.

Sorry, off topic.........

[BLUETIGER]

his wife can stay

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[00EM1]

my 0.2


have you ever heard of anyone smoking a joint and going home and beating there wife, or having some bong hits and ordering up some cocaine.

there is a lot more destructive drug that is aloud in society because in small doses it creates social behavior, but in large doses does as much harm to peoples lives as any hardcore drug.

joint > beer

[Great68]

have you ever heard of anyone smoking a joint and going home and beating there wife, or having some bong hits and ordering up some cocaine.



Good point.

In my own personal experience, I know a lot of people who primarily booze, and a lot of people who primarily smoke marijuana.

Guess which ones I have seen turn violent when they use their drug? Guess which ones I have NEVER seen have any violent tendencies?

[Presto]

Prohibition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_during_and_after_prohibition) didn't work for alcohol. How can it succeed with marijuana? Take away this cash cow that makes criminals lots of money. Let the government control the sale of weed, like alcohol, and tax it. Allocate some money made from the taxes for education and addiction treatment.

Of course, it will never fly. Our big brother to the South would get all pissy, since a lot of people make money from the war against drugs. It would kill their prison business!

[xpl0sive]

^yup they really hate drugs down south... check out this article and video

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri


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[murd0c]

Its funny how the US is so pissed off and makes such a big deal about it when its basiclly already legalized in cali. I still don't get how the FBI can come into canada to arrest a Canadian citizen. I swear every single day we have less and less rights.
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[Great68]

I still don't get how the FBI can come into canada to arrest a Canadian citizen.

I think this is the larger issue at hand. The way this has all taken place is like Canada is unzipping it's pants, showing it's ass to the USA and saying "HAVE AT IT!"

[Ch28]

I still don't get how the FBI can come into canada to arrest a Canadian citizen. I swear every single day we have less and less rights.
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That is the biggest concern here for me.

Fucking USA.

[Ferra]

Given the fact that Marijuana is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Pot than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy booze, but any dealer will sell him pot if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".
Given the fact that Meth is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Meth than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy Meth, but any dealer will sell him Meth if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".


>
A concern parent sees no difference between this argument and your argument.

[Onassis]

Its funny how the US is so pissed off and makes such a big deal about it when its basiclly already legalized in cali. I still don't get how the FBI can come into canada to arrest a Canadian citizen. I swear every single day we have less and less rights.
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They are shutting down all the shops in L.A. right now.

[7seven]

I'm not a pot smoker but I have no issues with legalizing marijuana, however I just cannot throw my support behind the movement locally because of Marc Emery and his supporters and how they conduct themselves. I've had this discussion with a number of professional business people in my social circle who are also non pot smokers and even tho they have no problems with the legalization of marijuana, they will never support the movement as long as Marc Emery is the face of it.

[7seven]

I still don't get how the FBI can come into canada to arrest a Canadian citizen. I swear every single day we have less and less rights.
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That is the biggest concern here for me.

Fucking USA.


I am of the opinion that Emery brought this upon himself. He knew selling marijuana seeds is illegal and continued to do so. It's no different than selling and shipping cocaine to Amercians. I am in no way saying or comparing how harmful marijuana is to cocaine, I'm just pointing out that both are illegal substances and Emery knew this and continued to export them into the United States, even Emery himself has admitted as much and has already reached a plea deal with the Americans last year for a 5 year prison term.

I don't think anyone can really be surprised that the DEA/American prosecutors have now requested extradition, its just the next step in the process. Canada and the United States have an extradition agreement with each other for their citizens who commit criminal offenses. The US government has extradited their citizens to Canada before, so it works both ways.

Emery as a Canadian citizen should be given the chance to apply to serve his time (that he plead to) in Canada, but first he must face extradition to the US.

[Graeme S]

Given the fact that Meth is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Meth than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy Meth, but any dealer will sell him Meth if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".


>
A concern parent sees no difference between this argument and your argument.

Because there isn't. I dunno if you've gone down to main and hastnigs lately, but there are a lot of guys dressed relatively baller-ish hanging out at the edges of alleys. I very much doubt that they would turn anyone away with cash if they had it. It would not surprise me to know that there are highschooling meth-heads.


Also, you're quoting me a wee bit out of context. His concern was that legalization would equate to "you can walk into any store at any time and buy it", while I was saying that legalization is NOT tantamount to deregulated free markets--that the government would create legislations limiting posession/use to a certain age group etc etc.

I am not saying that I believe marijuana to be a completely harmless substance or that anyone should be allowed to smoke it at any time. I am saying that the laws should be reviewed and revised--it puzzles me just as much as it does many other people as to why alcohol is a completely legal substance despite countless studies and anecdotes of abuse and the miseries thereto--yet it is legal, and marijuana is not.

[Manic!]

So it's illegal to sell marijuana seeds in the states but you can sell these seeds (http://cgi.ebay.com/Giganteum-Poppy-Papaver-Somniferum-200-Seeds-/160433170792?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255a8fe968)on Ebay? go figure.


We bought a house last year and there were some growing in the back yard.

[Noir]

I am not saying that I believe marijuana to be a completely harmless substance or that anyone should be allowed to smoke it at any time. I am saying that the laws should be reviewed and revised--it puzzles me just as much as it does many other people as to why alcohol is a completely legal substance despite countless studies and anecdotes of abuse and the miseries thereto--yet it is legal, and marijuana is not.

Probably because alcohol (& tobacco) has been grandfathered-in into societal acceptance.

Although Marijuana is by no means modern; but society probably holds it modern enough to group it with the other drugs in cocaine, meth, etc. Or maybe modern only to the western societies.


Note:
I am by no means supporting or condemning the cause. I really haven't put too much thought in where I sit on the issue as I really don't care.

[q0192837465]

Legalizing has great political consequences. It's a hit or miss. If u succeed, u'll be down in history as the man who opened a new chapter in Canadian history. If u fail, u'll forever be known as the guy who destroyed Canada's integrity. It's a bold move and I think that's why most politicians are reluctant to make any changes to the existing laws. People generally don't like changes.

[ericthehalfbee]

I'm confused about some things here. When did the FBI come into Canada to arrest Emery? Did I miss something obvious here?

Emery pleaded guilty and made a deal for a sentence of 5 years. Why did he plead guilty if he's not guilty? Why is he in Canada right now and not in a US prison? Oh yeah, the government had not yet signed off on his extradition - he was actually supposed to go to the US last September. He was free on bail until the extradition process was finalized.

So why are people freaking out about a deal that's been done for a year now, and is finally going through? Why are people acting like this is a surprise?

And Emery will likely be back in Canada soon anyway, as it's believed that part of his plea bargain with US prosecutors was that he be allowed to serve his sentence here.


What really pisses me off, though, is Emery's comments made in today's Province:

Canadians will be "very, very angry" if he was sent to the U.S., he said, because it will signal that the justice minister will have turned a "tin ear" to the country's sovereignty.

What the fuck does this have to do with Canada's "sovereignty"? The US didn't come barging into Canada to take one of our citizen's away. Marc Emery made a fucking deal with US prosecutors and knew he would be extradited. How can he make a deal, and then blame the government/justice minister for allowing that deal to go through?

Marc Emery is a fucking goof, and I actually hope he doesn't get to come back (he probably will) and spends some time in a hardcore prison.

[achiam]

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

You can't gauge substances on a single harm indices -- rather, you must compare them in different aspects (e.g. more harm to liver or brain etc. over x time).
Marijuana use has always been linked to increased schizophrenia rates.

[ynot-llat]

I'm confused about some things here. When did the FBI come into Canada to arrest Emery? Did I miss something obvious here?

Emery pleaded guilty and made a deal for a sentence of 5 years. Why did he plead guilty if he's not guilty? Why is he in Canada right now and not in a US prison? Oh yeah, the government had not yet signed off on his extradition - he was actually supposed to go to the US last September. He was free on bail until the extradition process was finalized.

So why are people freaking out about a deal that's been done for a year now, and is finally going through? Why are people acting like this is a surprise?

And Emery will likely be back in Canada soon anyway, as it's believed that part of his plea bargain with US prosecutors was that he be allowed to serve his sentence here.


What really pisses me off, though, is Emery's comments made in today's Province:

Canadians will be "very, very angry" if he was sent to the U.S., he said, because it will signal that the justice minister will have turned a "tin ear" to the country's sovereignty.

What the fuck does this have to do with Canada's "sovereignty"? The US didn't come barging into Canada to take one of our citizen's away. Marc Emery made a fucking deal with US prosecutors and knew he would be extradited. How can he make a deal, and then blame the government/justice minister for allowing that deal to go through?

Marc Emery is a fucking goof, and I actually hope he doesn't get to come back (he probably will) and spends some time in a hardcore prison.



Marc Emery is an honorable man.

He never once stepped foot in the US. He did not do anything illegal on US soil. If the US was really after the seed companies why dont they shut down the hundreds of seed companies not only operating in the US but storefronts as well.

The reason Emery is being targeted because he is the face of the Marijuana Legalization movement.

This would be like if Canadian RCMP went to China and jailed people for eating dogs.

[Graeme S]

Probably because alcohol (& tobacco) has been grandfathered-in into societal acceptance.

See, that's the thing. Much like many other "evils", it's only evil because it hasn't been around since "ye auld days". That's what I mean, though--why can't people just take some time and do some research?

You fuck*ing idiot, you dont even realize how stupid and arrogant you're making yourself out to be.

How about educating yourself on the topic before opening your stupid mouth.

He made a deal to save his employees from any jail time dipshit.

Marc Emery is an honorable man.

He never once stepped foot in the US. He did not do anything illegal on US soil. If the US was really after the seed companies why dont they shut down the hundreds of seed companies not only operating in the US but storefronts as well.

The reason Emery is being targeted because he is the face of the Marijuana Legalization movement.

This would be like if Canadian RCMP went to China and jailed people for eating dogs.

Yo, Tony, calm the fuck down before I have to give you points.

A) You're right, plea bargains are often there to prevent long drawn-out trials and complicated potential additional prosecutions. That's why they're offered--"I'll give you a deal and your friends can get out of this if you take responsibility". That way the prosecutors can say things like what Eric has--"He knows he was guilty, that's why he pled guilty! It's obvious, why would an innocent person plead guilty?"

It's the same reason that a lot of people pay a traffic fine even though they know they could fight it and beat it. On a completely different scale, mind you--but the same basic concept.


Also, much like Noir I'm far from a pothead. I just like to A) play the devil's advocate B) get my questions answered. I seriously still cannot fathom why marijuana is still illegal and there has been so little research done on it, yet alcohol (which has had a LOT more research and just as much negative publicity) is still legal and undisputed (other than by some fringe groups). It's nuts to me.

[teddyah]

Canada turned their backs on him!!!

[Lomac]

Canada turned their backs on him!!!

...How?

[ericthehalfbee]

You fuck*ing idiot, you dont even realize how stupid and arrogant you're making yourself out to be.

How about educating yourself on the topic before opening your stupid mouth.

He made a deal to save his employees from any jail time dipshit.

Marc Emery is an honorable man.

He never once stepped foot in the US. He did not do anything illegal on US soil. If the US was really after the seed companies why dont they shut down the hundreds of seed companies not only operating in the US but storefronts as well.

The reason Emery is being targeted because he is the face of the Marijuana Legalization movement.

This would be like if Canadian RCMP went to China and jailed people for eating dogs.
You should stop reading those one-sided portrayals of Emery. Ever since he dropped out of high school he's continuously snubbed the authorities. Whenever he dislikes a law, instead of fighting to get it changed he goes ahead and breaks that law and pushes the boundaries daring the authorities to do something about it. Imagine if everyone in society behaved that way and decided "I don't like that law, I'm not going to follow it."

His plea deal to save his partners never went through. His current deal and extradition have nothing to do with it, so stop trying to make it sound like he only did it because he's "honorable". What other choice did he have? To let them do gown with him? You might as well say that if I find a wallet with $500 and return it to the owner that I'm some sort of "super citizen" for doing the obvious that any person in the same position would do. The reason he plead is because there was an extradition hearing coming up and he plead to avoid that hearing. In other words, he knew he was going to get serious time, so he plead out to get less time - not to be "honorable".

What Emery did was the exact same thing as a person on trial finding out the prosecutor found a piece of key evidence that would convict him, and then plea to get less time. There's nothing honorable in it at all.

This is what plea deals are about - to get less time and more favorable conditions (like getting to serve part of your time here in Canada). Innocent people don't plea to something they didn't so (unless you're a complete idiot). Guilty people who know they're going down make a plea deal to end up serving less time.

[Manic!]

You should stop reading those one-sided portrayals of Emery. Ever since he dropped out of high school

Isn't he a lawyer?

[ynot-llat]

See, that's the thing. Much like many other "evils", it's only evil because it hasn't been around since "ye auld days". That's what I mean, though--why can't people just take some time and do some research?



Yo, Tony, calm the fuck down before I have to give you points.

A) You're right, plea bargains are often there to prevent long drawn-out trials and complicated potential additional prosecutions. That's why they're offered--"I'll give you a deal and your friends can get out of this if you take responsibility". That way the prosecutors can say things like what Eric has--"He knows he was guilty, that's why he pled guilty! It's obvious, why would an innocent person plead guilty?"

It's the same reason that a lot of people pay a traffic fine even though they know they could fight it and beat it. On a completely different scale, mind you--but the same basic concept.


Also, much like Noir I'm far from a pothead. I just like to A) play the devil's advocate B) get my questions answered. I seriously still cannot fathom why marijuana is still illegal and there has been so little research done on it, yet alcohol (which has had a LOT more research and just as much negative publicity) is still legal and undisputed (other than by some fringe groups). It's nuts to me.

sorry dudes, i was just really pissed off at the canucks loss.

[Great68]

Whenever he dislikes a law, instead of fighting to get it changed he goes ahead and breaks that law and pushes the boundaries daring the authorities to do something about it. Imagine if everyone in society behaved that way and decided "I don't like that law, I'm not going to follow it."


Do you think Abortion would be legal in this country if Morgantaler hadn't continued to perform what were considered "Illegal" abortions in the beginning of his fight?

How about Nelson Mandela or Desmond Tutu defying apartheid laws?

Sometimes non-violent disobedience is necessary.

[Vansterdam]

theres a good documentary on bc bud right now on cbc