Marc Emery turns himself in; Justice Minister signs off on extradition

[Vansterdam]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...on-extradition

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Marc Emery, Vancouver's so-called "Prince of Pot" has surrendered at B.C. Supreme Court to await his extradition to the United States. Canada's Justice Minister has signed off on the extradition, ending much chance of any more delays.


Emery held a short demonstration earlier today, hoping strong public support would convince Canada's justice minister to keep him in this country. He has pleaded guilty to U.S. drug charges surrounding his online seed-selling business and he has agreed to a five-year prison term in the States.

It's not clear when Emery will be sent to the U.S., but Emery's lawyer Kirk Tousaw says he expects it will happen within the week, once some documentation is completed.

We've had access to a briefing memo sent to the federal justice minister, detailing how a U.S. federal drug agent worked in Canada to secure American charges against Emery. The same memo also shows thousands of letters of support have been sent to the government urging it not to extradite Emery.

He hopes the letters prove that extraditing him could be a huge mistake. "There is absolutely no public support for this extradition and conversely there is millions of people opposed to it, both in America and Canada. So I believe the government will be punished by their decision if it's the wrong one."

Tousaw says the fight against drug laws won't stop. "The idea someone should shut up and go quietly into the night in the face of really overwhelming injustice not just in Mr. Emery's case but in the case of all people being incarcerated for marijuana offences I find shocking, un-democratic, and un-Canadian."

[m!chael]

I guess at least he manned up to it. He did break the law you know..

[00EM1]

There's a diffrence beetween a criminal and a martyr

I hope Mark isnt seen or rememberd as a criminal, because he has helped paved the way for our freedom to enjoy pot

[fishing666]

good..justice served

[RTS]

Sell drugs, go to jail. It's a pretty simple concept.

[johny]

wasn't he supoosed to go a year ago?.... our justice system is so slow.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by johny

wasn't he supoosed to go a year ago?.... our justice system is so slow.

That's what I thought too as there was the big stink before I thought he was already extradided..

Anyways IMO he goes about his push the completely wrong way and he will never gain the public support he needs, he associates himself with skids and junkies and he thinks when some guy with a leather jacket with weed patches on it and 4 nose rings shows up in support that that's the ticket to convincing the government of Canada to allow him to stay?

Get some high profile credible people on your side, even if their not smokers, get away from the skids and losers and try to potray a credible image to the public then maybe people will listen
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[cdizzle_996]

His laywer, Kirk Tousaw was my lawyer 3 years ago. I was his first case in Canada.

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by fishing666

good..justice served

Originally Posted by RTS

Sell drugs, go to jail. It's a pretty simple concept.

archaic drug laws and the people that support them show how ass backwards and stupid you are

todays drug laws are 1965 jim crow laws, and one day people will be enlightened enough to realize it

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

archaic drug laws and the people that support them show how ass backwards and stupid you are

todays drug laws are 1965 jim crow laws, and one day people will be enlightened enough to realize it

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by m!chael

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.

Given the fact that Marijuana is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Pot than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy booze, but any dealer will sell him pot if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by m!chael

I don't think you understand what chronic pot abuse does to a developing mind, and generally it's those with the developing mind that will abuse it (teenagers).

Pedophilia is also illegal, should every pedophile who wants to make it legal go rape young kids in "protest". I know its not a fair comparison in terms of severity but it does highlight his wrongdoings. If he wants to make marijuana legal he needs to do it using legal means, lobbying and such. Not breaking the law.

The problem is that people think there's some sort of a universal truth, that a certain set of laws is correct for the entire human race. Laws are a reflection of the society which enforces them. As of right now, I think our society is leaning towards keeping marijuana illegal, and that's how its going to stay. It doesn't matter how many losers who have nothing to do but worship a lazy drug have a problem with it.

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0202175105.htm

It's about a long term preliminary study that was in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. Does that help?

No, it's not a definitive finding but it certainly marks a possible trend between heavy marijuana use in teens and developing brains.

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by Lomac

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0202175105.htm

It's about a long term preliminary study that was in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. Does that help?

No, it's not a definitive finding but it certainly marks a possible trend between heavy marijuana use in teens and developing brains.

Sound's like a legit study..
"Among other limitations of the study, such as a small sample size, five of the 14 subjects with heavy cannabis use also had a history of alcohol abuse, which may have contributed an effect. Also, it is possible that the brain abnormalities may have predisposed the subjects to drug dependence, rather than drug usage causing the brain abnormalities."

Right from your article...

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

Sound's like a legit study..
"Among other limitations of the study, such as a small sample size, five of the 14 subjects with heavy cannabis use also had a history of alcohol abuse, which may have contributed an effect. Also, it is possible that the brain abnormalities may have predisposed the subjects to drug dependence, rather than drug usage causing the brain abnormalities."

Right from your article...

Yeah, I read that. It's why I mentioned the study is merely preliminary and possibly marks a trend.

Studies of this nature are hard to do. Canada has only done a handful of small sample sized studies, mainly to determine medicinal values of marijuana. The USA still classifies the drug as a Schedule 1 drug, which means that even though it's possible, it's still very hard for scientists to conduct controlled long term studies to determine if there are actual side effects.

[Graeme S]

Oh, and a serious aside too--does anyone know why seeds are legal but EVERYTHING else isn't? Anyone got any ideas?

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

Got any links to peer reviewed scientific journals that substantiate your bolded claim? No? Didn't think so...

I don't see how you can use pedophilia as an example when there is a victim DIRECTLY affected by the crime. Smoking pot does not affect yours, or my welfare.

The problem is, the majority of society is stupid and prone to believing incredibly outdated notions. What happened when prohibition was lifted in the 30's...? Crime and bootlegging completely disappeared. Almost every scientist will agree that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and obesity

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.

Originally Posted by Graeme S

Given the fact that Marijuana is illegal and therefore unregulated, your argument is illogical.

It is easier for a 13-year old kid to get Pot than it is for him to get booze. Why? Because he'll get ID'd trying to buy booze, but any dealer will sell him pot if he has the cash.

REGULATED legalization is the real way of doing it if you really want to protect the "developing mind".

You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

Oh, and a serious aside too--does anyone know why seeds are legal but EVERYTHING else isn't? Anyone got any ideas?

your average stoner is too lazy to see the process through?

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by m!chael

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.



You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.

A majority of people who want to legalize something have generally dabbled in it. Their personal experiences have driven them to desire to be able to get it without fear of repercussions. I would expect most convicted pedophiles would like to get pedophelia legalized as well, no?

Your parallel may not be as apt as you think though, as pedophelia seems to be a deviant sexual fetish--an innate desire (though highly flawed) and not entirely similar to pot, an aquired recreational tendency.


I understand what you're saying about "legalizing it making it seem like it's ok", but the fact that lack of disapproval indicates explicit approval is oversimplifying things--and that's something I think the law does too much.

Rather than simply banning all substances, and thereby allowing anyone who has enough desire to get them be able to, why not regulate everything more strictly? The less you make legal, the more you can't control. If you say "You can't do that", people will find ways around it. If you provide them restricted ways, then they will be more willing to follow you in those ways.

Of course there will be people who slip through the cracks and end up addicts and potheads and the like--but with a strictly regulated industry, it will be far more limited than it is now.

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by m!chael

You didn't understand my use of pedophilia as an example at all. Go reread it a few times and figure out what I mean, I'm not gonna waste my time explaining.

I'm sure it's the majority of society that's wrong about marijuana right? I mean, marijuana smokers are most likely the enlightened and educated ones that can totally see the injustice of making marijuana illegal, dude.

And dude, you're totally right. If we legalize marijuana crime will decrease. The same with murder, and theft. We should totally legalize those things, because crime rates will decrease. Good one.



You have a really good point dude, not gonna argue with that. But legalizing marijuana will send the message that smoking it is ok, which is something that I don't think Canada is quite ready to do.

In your pedophilia example, you claimed that Marc Emery should have used legitimate tactics such as lobbying...what do you think was the purpose of forming the BC Marijuana party? You used a terrible example and failed at it.

And SMH if you don't believe legalizing marijuana will remove all aspects of crime associated with it. When's the last time you bought beer illegally from a drug dealer? When was the last time illegal alcohol trafficking gangs fought over territory?

The fact is, if you support the war on drugs your supporting the thousands of lives and millions of dollars wasted fighting it. Not to mention the overcrowded penal system. If the extension of an intrusive nanny state is okay with you, then you are both a fool and weak.

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

In your pedophilia example, you claimed that Marc Emery should have used legitimate tactics such as lobbying...what do you think was the purpose of forming the BC Marijuana party? You used a terrible example and failed at it.

And SMH if you don't believe legalizing marijuana will remove all aspects of crime associated with it. When's the last time you bought beer illegally from a drug dealer? When was the last time illegal alcohol trafficking gangs fought over territory?

The fact is, if you support the war on drugs your supporting the thousands of lives and millions of dollars wasted fighting it. Not to mention the overcrowded penal system. If the extension of an intrusive nanny state is okay with you, then you are both a fool and weak.

Is the marijuana party the reason he's going to jail and what this article is written about? I think the marijuana party is a great idea, lobbying for things in the proper manner. Selling seeds to a country where it's illegal is not so much. See what I did there.

Again dude, keeping things illegal means that crime will occur. But we shouldn't be weak and legalize everything just because it will otherwise occur in the form of a crime. Some things are worth fighting for, and keeping drugs illegal is one of them in my opinion. Understandably you might have a different opinion, you have that right.

Each country has its own systems, governments, whatever. When you are born in that country or move there you basically sign a social contract. If you have a problem with an intrusive nanny state, move to a place where the government gives fuck all. Maybe somewhere in Africa perhaps? The way Canada is set up is what makes it the best country on earth. Can't have your cake and eat it too brah

[Yuffa]

Isn't drug testing an issue with legalizing pot too? How do you tell if a guy smoke and drive?

[StealthFighter]

field sobriety test. they don't just check for alcohol intoxication.

[PiuYi]

i was too lazy to read the article, but for those who did, can someone tell me why ecstasy is so far down?? i thought it'd be at least higher than alcohol... LSD too..

[fishing666]

how is the level of harm judged?

is it a relative number to the userbase or is just 1 big flat number