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: Six in 10 B.C. RCMP staff have thought about quitting


Harvey Specter
05-12-2010, 04:31 AM
Seems to me the entire RCMP force needs a revamp...


Nearly 60 per cent of RCMP employees in B.C. have considered quitting their job over the past six months, according to an internal staff survey obtained by The Vancouver Sun.

The survey also found one in four B.C. RCMP employees had been "verbally harassed or tormented" within the past year, with the most common source of harassment being their direct supervisor.

In 2009, the RCMP conducted a national survey — of both sworn officers and civilian staff — to gauge morale, a process it undertakes every two years.

A summary of the survey's B.C. results, prepared for deputy commissioner Gary Bass, was obtained by The Sun through the Access to Information Act.

The report indicates 57 per cent of B.C. staff surveyed said they've thought about quitting in the previous six months, about the same as RCMP staff nationally. The figure was the same for both sworn officers and civilian staff.

Among the B.C. employees who considered quitting, the most common reason given was frustration with the work environment, a lack of recognition for their work and unrealistic work expectations.

RCMP spokesman Sgt. Tim Shields said the figure isn't cause for concern.

"It's only human nature — people are going to think about other options," he said, adding actual turnover is low.

The survey also found that while 61 per cent said they'd recommend a career with the Mounties to others, 24 per cent would have doubts about making such a recommendation and seven per cent said they'd advise against it.

Perhaps most troubling for the force, the survey suggests morale is getting worse.

Those surveyed were asked whether they agreed or disagreed with 55 separate statements about working at the RCMP, from whether they were proud to work for the force to whether they'd been properly trained.

The survey found responses to 39 of those statements — 70 per cent — had worsened in just the past two years.

The biggest drop — down 14 points, to 53 per cent — was whether staff believed they received the intelligence they needed to do their job. There were also big drops in whether staff felt respected and trusted (down 12 points to 44 per cent) and if they believed they were treated fairly (down 11 points to 41 per cent).

Harassment is also a major problem within the RCMP in B.C., with one-quarter of those surveyed saying they'd been harassed or tormented within the past year. A fifth of those said the source of their harassment was "clients" such as members of the public or criminals. But six in 10 said the chief source of their torment was their direct supervisors, other superiors or co-workers.

Shields acknowledged staff morale has taken a hit recently, partly due to fallout from the 2007 death of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski after being Tasered by RCMP members.

"To see the organization that we have all dedicated our lives to under a level of public scrutiny and criticism which has been unprecedented has taken its toll," he said.

Shields said the RCMP is working hard to improve, including establishing a "continuous improvement team" within the force dedicated to respond to staff concerns.

"There's definitely a recognition from the most senior levels that there are changes that are needed," he said.

The RCMP also implemented a "Respectful Workplace" training program last year, which it says is far more extensive than its previous anti-harassment program and must be completed by all employees and managers.

Some of the survey's other findings include:

•- The force's senior brass are much happier than the rank-and-file. Those with a rank of chief superintendent or higher gave positive answers to 85 per cent of the questions, compared with just 55 per cent for corporals and constables.
•- Only a third of those surveyed thought employee complaints were dealt with effectively.
•- Only a third of those surveyed thought situations of poor performance were dealt with effectively.
Interestingly, the worst score of all 55 questions — with just 17 per cent agreement — was whether staff felt the survey they'd just completed would make any difference.

About 2,500 RCMP employees in B.C. completed the survey, which was conducted last summer.

cskelton@vancouversun.com



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/RCMP+staff+have+thought+about+quitting/3016594/story.html#ixzz0niZASAjM

MelonBoy
05-12-2010, 04:34 AM
Would explain the tazer/beatings.. pissed off police gota take there anger out on someone :O

buddy
05-12-2010, 07:40 AM
^ and who's gonna take his/her jobs seriously when they were thinking about quitting anyway ...

Greenstoner
05-12-2010, 07:59 AM
Would explain the tazer/beatings.. pissed off police gota take there anger out on someone :O

your thinking is legit !

murd0c
05-12-2010, 08:11 AM
Even tho most people think about quitting there job something should be done. The real question is what they could do???
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emmvee
05-12-2010, 08:30 AM
shit, and i was thinking of becoming a cop too. Guess this changes everything.
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JDMStyo
05-12-2010, 10:13 AM
Pretty dumb survey - I suppose it's necessary to generate some sympathy from the public after all the recent embarrassing news about RCMP?

There's a lot of good people in the force, unfortunately as it is with all things, few bad apples ruin it for all.

2damaxmr2
05-12-2010, 10:40 AM
Fuck i'll replace them with half of their wage.

drunkrussian
05-12-2010, 10:48 AM
lol what a stupid statistic...who the hell hasn't thought about quitting? Even a rich person who loves their job at some point has had a moment where they felt like quitting. Frankly 6/10 thinking about quitting tells me that 4/10 are too scared to state their true opinion - and that's a much worse statistic.

bengy
05-12-2010, 10:52 AM
Fuck i'll replace them with half of their wage.

Really? I think that would be what? 35-40k per year?

Toeknee
05-12-2010, 10:55 AM
shit, and i was thinking of becoming a cop too. Guess this changes everything.
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That sort of adherence and commitment wouldn't have gotten you into RCMP anyways

RiceIntegraRS
05-12-2010, 11:09 AM
Kinda a dumb survey since everyone thinks about quitting, actually doing it is a different story.

twitchyzero
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
lol what a stupid statistic...who the hell hasn't thought about quitting? Even a rich person who loves their job at some point has had a moment where they felt like quitting. Frankly 6/10 thinking about quitting tells me that 4/10 are too scared to state their true opinion - and that's a much worse statistic.

Kinda a dumb survey since everyone thinks about quitting, actually doing it is a different story.

it says thought about it in the PAST 6 MONTHS

DuhDang
05-12-2010, 01:30 PM
dumb survey

Vansterdam
05-12-2010, 01:40 PM
^ :werd:

jaguar604
05-12-2010, 01:48 PM
BC posting for RCMP is undesirable.

quasi
05-12-2010, 02:31 PM
I've thought about quitting my job every month for the last 10 years. The problem is I probably can't find a similiar job that pays as well with the perks and flexible schedulle I have so I keep on hanging around.

zulutango
05-12-2010, 02:52 PM
" and who's gonna take his/her jobs seriously when they were thinking about quitting anyway "

The fact that they stay on in spite of all the inside problems, says they fully take their jobs seriously. If they didn't give a toss they would have left.

simsimi1004
05-12-2010, 04:09 PM
^or they need the money.

Gh0stRider
05-12-2010, 04:13 PM
good thing i was never hired then..lol

Lomac
05-12-2010, 04:41 PM
Pretty dumb survey - I suppose it's necessary to generate some sympathy from the public after all the recent embarrassing news about RCMP?

There's a lot of good people in the force, unfortunately as it is with all things, few bad apples ruin it for all.

It's a bi-annual internal survey (I believe) that was released to the media because they requested it through the Access to Information Act. It wasn't done with the intention to garner public sympathy. Every company I've worked for has done a very similar internal survey gauging moral and other feelings regarding how we feel about our jobs in general.

RiceIntegraRS
05-12-2010, 04:57 PM
it says thought about it in the PAST 6 MONTHS
and........

PiuYi
05-12-2010, 05:38 PM
lol what a stupid statistic...who the hell hasn't thought about quitting? Even a rich person who loves their job at some point has had a moment where they felt like quitting. Frankly 6/10 thinking about quitting tells me that 4/10 are too scared to state their true opinion - and that's a much worse statistic.

Kinda a dumb survey since everyone thinks about quitting, actually doing it is a different story.

did u guys even read the article? its more about the low morale among RCMP and how they're not properly equipped/trained to do their job

RiceIntegraRS
05-12-2010, 05:49 PM
i read it. I wonder why their morale is soo low....... The Taser incident's, Cops running red lights killing innocent victims, and the shit load of Cops getting charged for drunk driving and the most recent i read.... cop having sex with his own sister and all of this is under the microscope of the media and them getting completely hammered for it

raygunpk
05-12-2010, 07:00 PM
good thing i was never hired then..lol

yeah because everyone would get arrested without reason

chun
05-12-2010, 07:17 PM
A lot of people here are posting as if they could do the job 1,000 times better, when they actually have no idea. Then again, it's REVscene, what can you expect!

TOS'd
05-12-2010, 07:34 PM
good thing i was never hired then..lol

Never hired because you lacked the requirements and skill? Or because you turned down the job opportunity?

Nightwalker
05-12-2010, 11:08 PM
Very stupid survey. Obviously most have thought about it, it's a tough job.

seakrait
05-13-2010, 12:41 AM
don't forget though that this survey was for both sworn AND civilian staff. so though one can understand easier the results of this survey with sworn members, it is a bit surprising that the results apply to the civilian members as well...

Sid Vicious
05-13-2010, 12:49 AM
A lot of people here are posting as if they could do the job 1,000 times better, when they actually have no idea. Then again, it's REVscene, what can you expect!

I'm pretty sure I can become a cop, and not execute someone with a gunshot to the back of the head... or get in a car crash and kill someone while driving hammered...or deal pot...or commit pension fraud.

seakrait
05-13-2010, 01:09 AM
I'm pretty sure I can become a cop, and not execute someone with a gunshot to the back of the head... or get in a car crash and kill someone while driving hammered...or deal pot...or commit pension fraud.

way to tar all members with the same brush. :rolleyes:

lonelydriver
05-13-2010, 08:33 AM
did u guys even read the article? its more about the low morale among RCMP and how they're not properly equipped/trained to do their job


Among the B.C. employees who considered quitting, the most common reason given was frustration with the work environment, a lack of recognition for their work and unrealistic work expectations.

But six in 10 said the chief source of their torment was their direct supervisors, other superiors or co-workers.


I think everyone is missing the point. Not only they are getting shit on by the public, they are getting shit on by their co-workers or their direct superiors and not being recognize by their efforts.

Imagine you had a bad day at work and when you go home, your wife bitches at you on top of your shitty day. You would probably hate your job even more.

chun
05-13-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm pretty sure I can become a cop, and not execute someone with a gunshot to the back of the head... or get in a car crash and kill someone while driving hammered...or deal pot...or commit pension fraud.

Yes, because all members of the force have committed something as severe as all of the things listed above. ALL OF THEM.

nipples
05-13-2010, 12:52 PM
^ they have??? Wtf!! Why aren't they all in jail????
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The_AK
05-13-2010, 01:30 PM
Very stupid survey. Obviously most have thought about it, it's a tough job.

Exactly, I'm sure a lot of people have thought of quitting (outside of RCMP). Its the same as suicide in high school. In a survey it said that a good number of students have actually thought about suicide but you don't see it happening (also we don't see it because suicides aren't reported).

Sid Vicious
05-13-2010, 01:55 PM
Alright how about this
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Charges-dropped-after-video-shows-police-beating-suspect-83074632.html

"The RCMP have been called in to review a case in which a surveillance video shows Winnipeg police beating and Tasering a suspect who appeared to be in the process of surrendering to officers"

or this
http://www.rcmpwatch.com/rcmp-launch-probe-into-excessive-force-allegation/
"Quesnel RCMP have launched an internal probe after an allegation of excessive force during an arrest surfaced."

I'm obviously not saying ALL RCMP are corrupt or what have you, but those incidents above combined with Ian Bush, Dziekanski and the subsequent DUI, plus countless other scandals have eroded public support for the RCMP and exposed it as an organization desperately in need of some change, due to poor internal management, flawed internal investigation techniques and lax hiring standards/practices.